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Why are people afraid of "Trump"hes just one man,cannot dictate that I am going to do this or that,everything must pass the senate.Just like our PM cannot raise gst to 30% on his own needs the house to do it.

What has Obama achieved??What would  of "Hillary"achieve??
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So who was in the senate when bush number 2 decided to go into iraq on the BS  WMD crap? and what party was Bush?
 And why did the US run out of money 2 .. think 3 times  sending public servants home because no wage in the bank in obamas reign Democrat.. oh yeah the senate would not pas the bill.. and who was in senate to screw that up?
 And why has so much of what he wanted to do stone walled ?

 And who is in the senate and congress now?  and so many democrats lost their sets.. and the  new republicans who took them... strong arm trump supporters

Yep is about things passing thru the upper and low houses... and if the President is of a different party to them.. hands tied
 If not...its all on.
 just go back thru administrations.. those that 'achieved'.. be it good and bad.. Johnson, nixon, regan.
 And how the mccarthy witch hunt  itswith notorious peak after  Truman lost and Rep eisenhower was President.

 have senate/ congress and the president all in the same party, damn near every time the proverbial hits the fan... world wide
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Funny tho'; Watch out! the sky is gonna fall on our heads.
 Where have all the "pop" stars and other dicks who have said "  if Trump wins, I'm leaving the country?...  the waves are nearing the edge of the teacup...
 He'll be on a steep learning curve I'd suggest, purely on the bureaucracy that will surround him.
 Funny tho', those who are against the TPP are against him, as the pundits suggest he'll not be a part of it... so one would think they'd be rejoicing. Are they?
 So more Chinese involvement and money in the South Pacific ....fisheries for "development" as they are doing now...Yep, that'll be good.
 

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So who is feeling reassured by DT's mind changing, back tracking, p!ss off everyone, wild accusations, $1B of debt, appointing family to senior positions etc etc? Just imagine how good it will be when he actually gets into office.

The latest one made me laugh - First DT was going to build a wall between the US and Mexico and Mexico were going to pay for it (many, many $billions apparently). Now he is going to ask congress for the money and apparently 'Mexico will pay for it later' according to DT. Immigration is a hot topic so not surprising he went all 'right wing' on it as a vote catcher, but a bit damning when he now tells the US people that they are going to have to fork out all that money when he promised them they wouldn't have to. The guy seems to just shoot from the hip and say whatever he thinks people want to hear to get their support. I guess they all do it to some extent, but this guy is just so bloody obvious that it's embarrassing to think that he gets away with it.
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They all get away with it ...Look at our government >. The flag ( i wont mention names ) we all paid for that 
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Tagit,trumps a pollitician after all,doing what they do best,lie
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Trump was inevitable and we are just going to have to see what happens.

This was not an election ,it was an uprising. It was about the white working class who had been overlooked and trampled on for so long. They could not change anything, & they had been told that so many times before. The people who were always wrong.So many times they had been told to adapt to the inevitable. Their world belonged to the metro sexuals,the dotcoms and Wall st.
They were tired of their jobs being shipped off to some foreign country,tired of Obama care,tired of  unemployment,tired of watching their sons come home in coffins from some foreign war. Tired of being lied to, & they were tired of seeing their towns fill with migrants. They were tired of seeing their America disappear .

They were fathers who couldnt feed their families anymore,mothers who couldnt afford healthcare,workers whose jobs were sold to foreign countries ,whose sons and daughters saw no future.
They were the people who didnt matter and couldnt change anything.
They put up their hands, and from coast to coast the nation joined with them, they said no and the impossible happened. The great blue wall crumbled. And as Hillary prepared her victory celebrations the impossible states fell one by one. Ohio,,wisconsin,iowa, pennsylvania---

And now we have Trump.
A rejection of globalization ,and a follow up to the mood of Brexit,and a precursor to what is begining in Europe.

There is now a different drum beginning to beat across the world.

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Agree yep...with pretty much all of that.
Like many in the West now,people are no longer afraid of being labeled whatever phobe the left throws at one for disagreeing with their narrative.
The Marxist PC tide is on the wane.

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Originally posted by cirrus cirrus wrote:

Trump was inevitable and we are just going to have to see what happens.

This was not an election ,it was an uprising. It was about the white working class who had been overlooked and trampled on for so long. They could not change anything, & they had been told that so many times before. The people who were always wrong.So many times they had been told to adapt to the inevitable. Their world belonged to the metro sexuals,the dotcoms and wall st.
They were tired of their jobs being shipped off to some foreign country,tired of Obama care,tired of  unemployment,tired of watching their sons come home in coffins from some foreign war. Tired of being lied to, & they were tired of seeing their towns fill with migrants. They were tired of seeing their America disappear .

They were fathers who couldnt feed their families anymore,mothers who couldnt afford healthcare,workers whose jobs were sold to foreign countries ,whose sons and daughters saw no future.
They were the people who didnt matter and couldnt change anything.
They put up their hands, and from coast to coast the nation joined with them, they said no and the impossible happened. The great blue wall crumbled. And as Hillary prepared her victory celebrations the impossible states fell one by one. Ohio,,wisconsin,iowa, pennsylvania---

And now we have Trump.
A rejection of globalization ,and a follow up to the mood of Brexit,and a precursor to what is begining in Europe.

There is now a different drum beginning to beat across the world.





"There is now a different drum beginning to beat across the world".
Yup, and its about bloody time.
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And is it any wonder the the MSM is held in a all time distrust by most adults?
Embedded with any left wing govt in the West.
The globalist MSM has not been impartial for nigh on 25 years now.
Thank goodness for other digital media to give us balance and check the veracity of dinosaur MSM claims.
The new 5th Estate.
Seems to be more than a few on this thread that still have the MSM narrative as their main source for the `facts`.
Lets just give DJT a term to see what his team can achieve.
1st admin since 1929 to have such control of the Senate,Congress and the vast majority of State Governorship's.
The popular vote line the MSM keep pushing,has been skewed by sanctuary States giving many of the nearly 30 million illegal aliens,the option to vote.
Take those numbers out.
And this is a landslide vote for change by the real/legal USA voting public.
For the Dems to loose heartland unionised industrial Great Lake States is a fair reflection or how Middle America feels today.
DJT seems to have the big boys lining up to create good paying jobs in the USA.
We will see soon enough how this transpires.
Will DJT get a Nobel Peace Prize for the colour of his hair,perhaps?
BHO got one for the colour of his skin in 2009.
Cringe worthy.     

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Main stream media. They print selected opinion,little fact unless after a major event.
No surprize as to who owns the mainstream media. Very powerful individuals,vested interest.

Right up to the election they said Trump could not win. The articles were so tedious they became tranquilizing  Their polls said likewise. Trump could not win. They were wrong.
And to achieve this, the endless barrage of anti trump rhetoric was blatant . What they feared most came upon them.

And now the anti trump fear mongering continues at even greater intensity. So what is it the invisible people behind the MSM have to lose.

The anti trump media is something no president ,or America has seen before. And this is hugely concerning for everyone, as the pressure and condemnation upon him and his future government mounts. All about things that have not happened,like war with Russia or China. All fear. The world is ruled by fear.
Downside of such pressure on Trump is that under intense pressure people make mistakes, and if this were to happen would they blame Trump or themselves.

Trump has not started any wars,ironic as the previous admins started many,but prefer not to talk about that.

Tariffs on Chinas products could start a trade war,and sometimes trade wars do lead to real wars.
Or his wanting to improve relations with Russia could be taken as weakness and lead to a Russian invasion of the Baltics,Finland and much of the former soviet union.

Or the latest is his getting tough over the disputed islands in the South China sea,could involve Australia and even N.Z in a dispute or war with China. Hasnt happened yet.
So why is the MSM pushing this speculation and fear mongering. Whats their game . Who are the invisible people behind this.
What is it they fear to lose.


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Unless you are questioning the truth of the quotes, the media is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. Reporting what Trump and his aides are doing and saying. They then publish the potential implications of those actions and statements. That is again a normal media role. Are the articles over dramatised in some cases? Maybe, but that is again very normal within the media as it sells copies to the majority of the population who wouldn't bother reading an article without some sort of dramatisation to catch their interest. It isn't US media publishing the Chinese governments reactions though. That is the Chinese media which is controlled by the Chinese government. Same with any Russian media publications.

Trump appears to be a horribly loose cannon who is surrounding himself with guys who like to fire cannons. I find the whole thing very scary for the world. Do I agree with the general concepts of creating more jobs within the USA and controlling immigration? If I lived in the US I probably would. Trouble is, those are key issues that if mismanaged could lead to wars. They are both issues that support the development of the 'have' and 'have not' differences in this world, so Trumps argument is that he will make the US richer by denying access to other countries. That will have consequences somewhere.

I actually can't think of an easy answer to the immigration and trade issues that the US faces, but I suspect any true answer would involve a whole heap of careful diplomacy enacted over a long period. Trumps popularist vote catching through an incredibly antagonistic and cavalier approach to the rest of the world just looks bloody scary to me.
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Seems BHO `civilian` leadership team had no issues firing plenty of cannons(drone strikes) over the last 8 years.
Nice to see BHO is finally emptying out GITMO.
Looks like CNN will get a taste of what Fox has had over the last 8 years.
The lack of USA foreign policy muscle has emboldened issues from the South China Sea,Syria,Iran.
The `Red line in the sand` rhetoric without real military intent of force,from this admin has made the world less safe.
The most useless/dangerous President in modern USA history.
Aided buy a sycophantic media(mostly).
Of course,now a Republican President is about to enter office,the above MSM will re-start asking the `Hard questions` of the new admin.
As per their 1st Amendment duty demands.
Phwwttt.Riiight.
 
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Cirrus, trump isn't actually president yet....that happens on Friday.
So ww3 is scheduled for Saturday I guess.
Perhaps.
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