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    Posted: 07 Mar 2010 at 3:54pm
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Is there anything wrong with using the snell knot to attach multiple hooks to a trace? (For beach/rock fishing)

Something along the lines of this:





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Nope, nothing wrong with that at all, in fact it is a very common practice for whole pilchards and larger baits.

Snelling is where the trace is tied around the shank of the hook rather than just through the eye although you would usually (always?) put the line through the eye when snelling. I keep the two hooks quite close together when fishing with pilchards or squid, done properly your baits will stay straight rather then bunching up as they would if only the bottom hook is tied on.
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The added benefit of snelling the hooks onto the line is that it is an IGFA legal rig, whereas having a sliding keeper hook rig is not. So if you do happen to catch that trophy snapper or kingi, well then you can claim a record! :-) (I know, it is unlikely eh, but ya never know!) :-)
Snelling the hooks about an inch or two apart makes it a lot easier to present a "swimming" deadbait.
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Cool, can it also be used for small baits. So each hook (with a greater distance between each) has its own bait?

And, what is better, sinker above the hooks, or below the hooks?
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I always snell my keeper hook on. Not to make things confusing but for the bottom hook it depends on the hook's design. Some hooks aren't made to be pulled inline with the shank, which is what a the snell knot does. I might be a little picky here but the VMC hooks I use seem to be made so that the point of the hook is directly inline with the line when the pressure comes on, not inline with the shank. This is where I find the uni knot (or similar) better. I know it's only a matter of a 15deg or so but ever little thing I can get on myside the better I guess.
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Yes you can have a bait for each hook if you want. If that was my intention then I would tie or snell the bottom hook, tie a dropper 30cm or so above that for my second hook.

Typically for two snelled hooks the sinker would be above the hook, either direct onto the top hookor onto a swivel to which the trace with the two snelled hooks attached. Some people put a sinker between the two hooks.

I agree with what Badfish says (and you too Capt. A you never know when you may want to weigh a fish and trust me it will happen one day if you're keen enough). I like to get my hooks so there is a straight pull of the line on the hooks. The exception being recurve hooks, they work much better when the line is passed from the front of the hook so that they actually turn in towards the trace. easier to describe with pics but I'm on dial up ..... it is hell on earth but I digress.

In the case of a Gamakatsu Octopus hook, I would usually snell that so the hook shank is in line with the trace, a Gamakatsu Circle hook can be snelled or have a dropper passed through the front as it has an upturned eye, not a great feature of a recurve hook IMO yet those hooks are wicked, if they had a straight and bigger eye it would be ledger rig heaven.

Snelling an octopus or suicide style hook with an upturned eye is generally the best option because tying onto the eye results in the hook sitting at an odd angle to the line and those hell strikes some anglers are fond of will see the hook come whistling out of the fishes gob without touching the sides.

Hope that helps, it's one of my things that I stew on ...... hopefully I will get motivated enough to post some pics for you.
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The Captain is right ,there were so many people in the last Comp I fished a couple of weeks ago that had their fish Disqualified at the scales when they presented their rig .Having a running hook is a big no-no for comps or records .both hooks must be fixed and I'm not sure but I think there may even be a max distance between hooks 
Same deal with flasher rigs ,only two hooks allowed not three as you see them in the shops ,and cutting one off doesnt count either i'm told as they dont know when you did it 
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here are the reg's simplified...



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Thanks Lethal, it's a good summary that one. Just a reminder to all that the legality is only around competitions that fish to IGFA rules as Lethal posted earlier. For recreational fishers not fishing in comps, dont worry they wont arrest you for breaking those rules. Unless of course you use 26 hooks.Big smile
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Now that'd be a helluva gang-hook.
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I snell tie all my hooks but wondered how you can tie it with enough line to tie another hook further down? Obviously there are different ways of tying the knot - my way uses some tricky finger looping over a small length of line sitting on the hook shank. Too long, and you can't loop the loops over it.
 
Like this:
 
 
 
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Good question broook. What I do is snell the bottom hook on first using a uni knot. Then pass the trace up through the eye of the second hook, wrap the trace back down the shank of the second hook about 10 or 12 times then pass the end of the trace back up through the eye of the top hook. It is called a longline knot but it isnt a knot at all as it is just wrapped around the hook shank. It wont come off. If it did come loose the bottom hook would keep it on anyway. The beauty of this knot is you can position the top hook wherever you want and it wont move as you tighten it up.
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Just picked up a book on tying basic knot from the warehouse $13,trying to google at sea with no glasses isnt working. So thought big print how wrong can I go. Knot the best knot tier but they hold





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Paul, that is one of my go to knots and it works well on both J and recurve hooks. You may remember the Steps vs Smudge debate hehe. It won't let you down.
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Yep great knot, good for setting up a 2 hook strayline rig.

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Why  do both hooks have to be fixed to the line  to be IGFA legal  but not necessary for normal fishing . Dont get me wrong , I aint moaning  just interested in the rational behind it .
When I fish with "long " baits ( whole pillie for instance )  I leave the keeper hook running and do a half hitch round the tail.
As an aside , I been getting good bait from pac n save , whole free flow frozen pillies or sardines , sometimes Sanmar , cheaper by far than H&F. Another thing I do is buy whole frozen raw prawns for the stir fry  , whack the tail off for me and keep the rest for bait.
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