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Originally posted by FizFisho FizFisho wrote:

Originally posted by v8-coupe v8-coupe wrote:

Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

Don't worry it was legal.



A rec gets caught picking the legal Snapper they want to keep and throwing the dead legal ones back, they can be hammered.
Commercials can actively pick the size of legal fish they are targeting for a specific market


Either situation is flappn wrong imo. as Im sure yours (I mean nothing wrong with catch and release of good breeding fish of course).

And I dont think this is slagging comms. They are just trying to both make a living and feed those super market shoppers who dont fish/spear with fresh fish.

But the dumping of 50cm snapper in the hundreds is just foul and should be illegal. Do comms not keep a count of what they have in the chiller as they go along?

I think reccs being targeted by fisheries is always going to be "what about them" situation as they do have such quiotas. But me personally, I have no ill feelings for the reasons stated, many industries and people who dont fish need the comms.

Reducing recc limits any further will just encourage people to dump dead legal sized fish as well, knowing they can do better.

I like the Port Phillip bay reccs, its 28cm, 10 fish limit, but only allowed 3 fish over 40cm. This encourages keeping the Juvis and only taking a few limited mature Snapper. But then it is the largest enclosed sea water way in the southern hemisphere, a bit like the Med of Aus, without the weather during winter haha. So I dont know bout comms on PPB in comparison, but clearly they can manage that water way, Im surprised we keep struggling to figure out what we have and can manage in the Hauraki Gulf. 

Maybe we should change our mind set on snapper and start targetting Kahawai, kingies, JDs, Gurnard, Puka etc. Also getting more people in the water selectively shooting fish instead of gut hooking a 20cm snapper (im not going to call it a Dumb Stick as I own a couple haha).

If people put the money into more capable boats, the schools of Kings like around Mayor Isl are huge, or went west  via a bar to chase the close to shore deep water species, then a few bigger imo snaps on the way back in, along with chasing tuna on both sides. Then filleting/steaking/smoking the fish and deep freezing. Yes it would mean less tmes out on the water, but food wise their would always be a bounty of different flavours in the freezer. 

But I understand for some its about gettng out often as its a hobbie. Perhaps changing locations and rigs from soft baits to live baits on the bottom around kawau for JDs etc, top water trolling for the albacore and skippies, KY and Kings and if you lucky way out the back on the worm beds of Tiri a beakie might turn up. Plenty of FC430 owners catching marlin. 

We are SOOOOO fixated on Snaps, I just wonder if we gave them a break and kept an eye on comms, if the gulf would be an even easier target on the way out for something different to fill the bin with......

Just an idea.




I think and have said before that supermarket demand for snapper, blue cod, basically rec species needs to be looked at.
I posted up prices on this thread the other day and if our premium inshore fish is not flying off the shelves in its freshest best state then why catch it? How much is thrown out?

As for targeting other species well you will be hard pressed to fish any bait and not get snapper for a start. Every method I have used the past year I have snagged snapper from sabiki for macs to live bait for JD. You are gonna get them because there are lots, greedy and dumb.
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I think and have said before that supermarket demand for snapper, blue cod, basically rec species needs to be looked at.
I posted up prices on this thread the other day and if our premium inshore fish is not flying off the shelves in its freshest best state then why catch it? How much is thrown out?

As for targeting other species well you will be hard pressed to fish any bait and not get snapper for a start. Every method I have used the past year I have snagged snapper from sabiki for macs to live bait for JD. You are gonna get them because there are lots, greedy and dumb.[/QUOTE]

I saw Blue Cod in New World Whangarei the other day at $59.99 per kg, who in their right mind would pay that?!Shocked
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Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

 
As for targeting other species well you will be hard pressed to fish any bait and not get snapper for a start. Every method I have used the past year I have snagged snapper from sabiki for macs to live bait for JD. You are gonna get them because there are lots, greedy and dumb.


I agree about the supermarket fish condition, how long does it take to get the fish there? If I have to buy, I buy from the markets or a local monger who gets the best gurnard.

Great to see Blue cod being caught in regular numbers in Auck hey. I think thats choice, along with Gurnard have come around cape colville back into the Gulf. To me that shows signs things are getting better

Yep I get your point. Although livebaits do lessen the snapper rate and increase the JD and King rate.

Also their is top water lures at the poles/buoys/and if really lucky in March when water is warmest, floating weed and one of my fav fish mahi mahi. But more often up north.

Have you tried trolling live baits in skirts? You might want to upsize the gear for that one :-).

Get out west to 200m+ and droppper rigs heavy sinkers and big slabs of cuda. Just dont be surprised if you catch all you need on one drop with fish that IMO is superlative to snapper.

Have a look at those idiots on Fishing and Adventure (I love you boys truely, goons lol). They show how to catch other species and they arent experts but have good success at less by catch.
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