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Topic: leader to lure knotPosted By: Pico
Subject: leader to lure knot
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 4:19pm
While fishing on monday I had a uni knot bust resulting in a lost stickbait and kingi.
Just wondering what knots people are using to attach the lure to the leader?
Replies: Posted By: ELEVAR
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 5:37pm
uni with jigstar leader sleave
Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 8:15pm
The Ducks nuts. Chain Knot, Uni... It all works on these. JigStar Grommets and Swivel Connection. One way i connect.
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 8:45pm
Pico wrote:
While fishing on monday I had a uni knot bust resulting in a lost stickbait and kingi.
Just wondering what knots people are using to attach the lure to the leader?
What lb and brand of mono where you using and how many times have you used this "particular" knot before breaking. You will mostly find a "big" fish always seem to break you off especially if you havent prepared your gear to the max for "every" fish but you always seem to catch all the average fish. I hate it when that happens
------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
Posted By: Pico
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 9:01pm
kaveman wrote:
Pico wrote:
While fishing on monday I had a uni knot bust resulting in a lost stickbait and kingi.
Just wondering what knots people are using to attach the lure to the leader?
What lb and brand of mono where you using and how many times have you used this "particular" knot before breaking. You will mostly find a "big" fish always seem to break you off especially if you havent prepared your gear to the max for "every" fish but you always seem to catch all the average fish. I hate it when that happens
I was using 130lb ygk leader, and had just landed a 15kg king... so maybe should have retied the knot after that?
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 9:08pm
One fish, maybe not mate, unluckly, but i always do a double loop around the ring i tie to and if possible use hollow leader knot cord as well Can get expensive loosing gear to fish so practicing knots is good
------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
Posted By: Stonefish
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 9:38pm
I've read that the chain knot is a fluorocarbon knot only? Is this correct? I've got YGK Castman Absorber leader, is this gonna be ok to tie the chain knot with?
Cheers
Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 9:58pm
Mate i have read, heard and spoken to some well renowned top water fisherman around the globe and its a flip of the coin topic. Each to their own. Some of the best i have seen complete the chain knot for mono and straight to the lure or the grommet. Then i have seen them change to a uni knot on a different lure as they find the lure "works" better or they have found it is better suited to that particular lure (One chap i had stick baited with had said he had been out fishing with Konishi and he used a Chain knot for some lures). I am also sure there was a topic on here not to long ago in regards to Yeehaa tieing the AG Chain knot also.
There is NO right or WRONG way when it comes fishing (within reason). I am sure someone would have something different to say, but i like to keep an open mind and try new ideas.
Posted By: Stellamoon
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2013 at 6:26am
KingySlayer wrote:
Mate i have read, heard and spoken to some well renowned top water fisherman around the globe and its a flip of the coin topic. Each to their own. Some of the best i have seen complete the chain knot for mono and straight to the lure or the grommet. Then i have seen them change to a uni knot on a different lure as they find the lure "works" better or they have found it is better suited to that particular lure (One chap i had stick baited with had said he had been out fishing with Konishi and he used a Chain knot for some lures). I am also sure there was a topic on here not to long ago in regards to Yeehaa tieing the AG Chain knot also.
There is NO right or WRONG way when it comes fishing (within reason). I am sure someone would have something different to say, but i like to keep an open mind and try new ideas.
LOL Konishi-san does not tie a chain knot!
It may look like it but it is not, as he showed me and Luke himself a few weeks ago at Yeehaa.
I would suggest youlearn the knot Eric Le Guyader (Orion Lures) ties as I have personally found this to be one of the strongest. Sorry I can't remember the name.
Ginga can attest for this knot as he also use's it.
Also bear in mind that that by adding in grommets etc it changes the action of some stickbaits
eg Gamma
Posted By: Ballsout
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2013 at 6:50am
LOL Konishi-san does not tie a chain knot! It may look like it but it is not, as he showed me and Luke himself a few weeks ago at Yeehaa.
So what the big knot you can't tell us????????
Posted By: Stellamoon
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2013 at 7:06am
Stinkbait101288 wrote:
LOL Konishi-san does not tie a chain knot! It may look like it but it is not, as he showed me and Luke himself a few weeks ago at Yeehaa.
So what the big knot you can't tell us????????
What knot do you currently tie Stinkbait?
Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2013 at 6:04pm
Could Luke or Anesh help us mere stickbaiting mortals with this wonderous knot ? Does it have a name , is there a U tube 'how to tie' or could perhaps one of the chosens ones could post one up for us ?
Posted By: Ballsout
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2013 at 9:34pm
I use all sorts really chain knot, uni knot with and with out knot sleeve and the swivels like what kingyslayer posted. I do like the swivel way for changing from bait to bait but this don't work for sum baits and a bit of the action is lost. It is all a bit of a hard thing to say that one knot can work every bait to it best and hooks well that a different story. On the other hand I would like to know what this new knot is that stellamoon has posted so I can give it a go, I also see on enchanter page it has konishi with a carpenter that has a spilt or solid ring on it. I don't know if this is to get the single hooks to work with the bait better or not but would like to know.
Posted By: segador
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2013 at 10:50pm
i wouldnt bother getting to tech on the knots and swivels and carry on been sickbaiting with luke 5 or 6 times now and we both catch the same amount of kings i just tie a snapper knot with a melted tag end been put under serious pressure never had one break yet not even 80 kilo shark sorting your sweeping technique is most important to catch more fish imo
Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2013 at 8:21am
I think some of us would be interested in what knot Konsihi- san uses as he probably does more testing than most .
Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2013 at 10:20am
That knot looks different to what I seen Konishi use, maybe he has changed it recently. Couldn't tell you the name of the one I seen him use ,Chris Wong may be able to help? Remember the one he showed us many years ago at the kings Chris, that's the one he was still using on his trips out with me and it looked not even remotely like a chain knot. Anesh I can't remember Eric's knot but knowing Eric it would have been very simple, I do remember he ran 200lb leader may have even been a simple uni but I'm not sure. I use a tube knot myself, principle is same as uni but much neater and more reliable. Otherwise I crimp, not really sure why nobody is even mentioning crimping? Very effective, nest and reliable method and action of lures not really compromised. It's what I regularly see Mogi San use so must be ok. Cheers Mark
------------- www.extremesportfishing.co.nz. Agent for Carpenter, Orion and ASWB products
Posted By: fishmad1
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2013 at 8:47pm
Stellamoon wrote:
Stinkbait101288 wrote:
LOL Konishi-san does not tie a chain knot! It may look like it but it is not, as he showed me and Luke himself a few weeks ago at Yeehaa.
So what the big knot you can't tell us????????
What knot do you currently tie Stinkbait?
Looks like a TN Knot with a series of straight hitches,
Posted By: Stonefish
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2013 at 12:44am
I crimp, its pretty easy and reliable I reckon. Haven't done enough topwater fishing to comment on lure action
Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 23 Dec 2013 at 7:03pm
Stellamoon wrote:
LOL Konishi-san does not tie a chain knot!
It may look like it but it is not, as he showed me and Luke himself a few weeks ago at Yeehaa
Thanks for those STELLA words moon. Let me refine my speaking. I was speaking based on him using certain knots for certain lures. Also should maybe have said "has" used and could still be.... Even as stated by you, EXTRA CONNECTIONS reduce lure action on eg GAMMA. So what i mean is if its okay for him then surely it must be for us as in the question at hand was "I have heard a Chain Knot is a NO NO for Mono". Was simply trying to answer this chaps question and not rusle feathers over what YA mate uses. Looking at that photo it may aswell be a chain knot or one variation of... To answer the question based on the pic shown mate it is not a no no to complete a Chain Knot.
But looking forward to trying out this new knot when we have details of how to tie.
Anyway as stated don't get to tech. Work out what works for you then go with it. As i said, NO right or WRONG way but some will attest saying IT MUST BE DONE THIS WAY. If you catch fish you are doing something right.
Posted By: Stellamoon
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 2:05am
KingySlayer wrote:
Mate i have read, heard and spoken to some well renowned top water fisherman around the globe and its a flip of the coin topic. Each to their own. Some of the best i have seen complete the chain knot for mono and straight to the lure or the grommet. Then i have seen them change to a uni knot on a different lure as they find the lure "works" better or they have found it is better suited to that particular lure (One chap i had stick baited with had said he had been out fishing with Konishi and he used a Chain knot for some lures). I am also sure there was a topic on here not to long ago in regards to Yeehaa tieing the AG Chain knot also.
There is NO right or WRONG way when it comes fishing (within reason). I am sure someone would have something different to say, but i like to keep an open mind and try new ideas.
Am i missing the fact that you clearly state "(One chap i had stick baited with had said he had been out fishing with Konishi and he used a Chain knot for some lures)"
Secondly I never said not to use an extra connection, just that it will change the action of some lures.
Kingslayer I would suggest you comment on what knots you've tried and tested yourself, and not on what some international "chap" on some forum wrote or told you. I know plenty of world renown international Topwater fisherman too, so what ??
I don't go posting what they told me on this forum until I've tried and tested it myself.
You made a comment that the Godfather of Topwater fishing Konishi-san would use a Taiwanese jiggers knot (chain knot).PLEASE
Have some respect, and try and get your facts straight before making a comment like that.
I really don't mind what knot you choose to tie your stickbait with if it works for you,
But don't mislead others.....
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 6:33am
NT 1/0 swivel and 9 or 10 mm split ring for 95% of my lures...tie a uni direct to carpenters..........make sure your uni is formed properly up the line before you spit on it and slide it down...........i do that with every uni i tie....including jigging.....uni with thimble......I dont go through twice either(just the once)...retie after good fish.
Merry xmas everyone and a fishy new year
------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens.
Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 7:16am
So Stellamoon could perhaps either you or Luke let us know whether it was a TN knot ( thanks Fishmad1) .
Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 10:32am
Oh my goodness. Looks like i touched a sweet Nerve here!!!
This was the question - "I've read that the chain knot is a fluorocarbon knot only? Is this correct"?
I answered with reference to some well renowned fisho's what they have used in the past. Is that a problem or do i need consent from you to state this? As far as i am concerned i answered the question, i stated that there is no right or wrong way... END of. If you have a problem, feel free to PM me.
Posted By: fsholc
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 10:39am
segador wrote:
i wouldnt bother getting to tech on the knots and swivels and carry on been sickbaiting with luke 5 or 6 times now and we both catch the same amount of kings i just tie a snapper knot with a melted tag end been put under serious pressure never had one break yet not even 80 kilo shark sorting your sweeping technique is most important to catch more fish imo
.....i think you need to stay off the woodies bro or ill need to bring a counter next time aye
but your right just fish and learn how to sweep
Posted By: Stellamoon
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 10:47am
KingySlayer wrote:
Oh my goodness. Looks like i touched a sweet Nerve here!!!
This was the question - "I've read that the chain knot is a fluorocarbon knot only? Is this correct"?
I answered with reference to some well renowned fisho's what they have used in the past. Is that a problem or do i need consent from you to state this? As far as i am concerned i answered the question, i stated that there is no right or wrong way... END of. If you have a problem, feel free to PM me.
Now back to what is important.
No nerved touched but you answered with the below so I was merely correcting you.
Seems more like your getting all worked up about it, I'm just stating facts.
The only part I agree with you on is "END of. If you have a problem, feel free to PM me."
(One chap i had stick baited with had said he had been out fishing with Konishi and he used a Chain knot for some lures)
Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 11:18am
Were you dropped at birth? How can i put this in terms to make you understand???
Question: Chain Knot for Mono is not Okay?
Repsonse: Chain knot is okay due to well known fishos using.
Reference: I have heard that Konishi has used a chain knot for some lures (to back up response).
Photo: You used to show "he does not use chain knot" actually shows chain knot after first initial connection to lure. Either way your man has used a chain knot connection of types. You basically backed up what i stated. Seems your knickers were twisted. But hey as i said looking forward to seeing what the knot was shown to you is and how different it is to ag chain.
Does that make things clear for you? As i stated if you have a problem you know how to find me.
Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 11:20am
Why not use a plated double, then thread the loop over the lure and fish it that way..might be a bit hard with mono but was looking at it last night..all thumbs and no fingers for me.. so gave up...
Posted By: Stonefish
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 11:30am
As the asker of the question that seems to have caused all the ruckus I'd like to put an end to it and say that my question has been answered, cheers. So lets get back to the original post.
Posted By: Stellamoon
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 11:49am
Kingslayer, Stick to your team motto "Jig hard or Go Home"
I suggest you do the later.
Instead of making blind comments and passing on second hand information which is incorrect (which seems to be your fortay), perhaps you should listen and learn from people that have more experience in this type of fishing than you, as there are plenty of people on this forum that do.
I'm not interested in arguing with you about BS, as far as im concerned this is the end of the matter!
In fact I really couldn't care less about what knot you tie to your stickbait, but good luck to you.
Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 11:50am
I think maybe you should stick to your currie making and learn how to cast first. Its no wonder a high brand dropped you. Especially after seeing these childish comments and its absolute muppets like you who think they know everything (which in reality are just key board warriors button bashing ). Not in any shape or form have you actually HELPED in this thread. The only isdue you have made clear is how much of an arrogant .... well I wont fish the rest.
Anyway time to add something to this thread worthy. I have just been shown this knot. Looks interesting. Apparently you can untie and retie the knot. Definately something for us to try out.
Posted By: Stellamoon
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 11:54am
Legacy wrote:
So Stellamoon could perhaps either you or Luke let us know whether it was a TN knot ( thanks Fishmad1) .
Its very similar to the TN knot Rory but the start is different. I will try and post a video of the knot when I get a chance after the New Year
Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 3:18pm
cheers mate , best wishes to all for the New Year
Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 5:16pm
That knot in the video above, I was shown a couple months back simple cool and has the advantage of letting the lure do its thing on a loop. Did a bit of backyard , willl it holds up under loads, intermittent loads /slip .. in the shed...was impressed.
I have gone away from the uni also.. came across this one, again have no idea what its called but tested well in the shed on braid, mono and fluro, and yet to have it slip on the water.. Its so damn simple intially I gave it the utmost suspicions.. Goes like this.... double back the tag.......put the loop thru the eye....... keeping both together then tie a 1/2 hitch (think called overhand these days??) and the loop then put over the hook/ swivel whatever.
Still having suspsions I modified it a little... 2x thru the eye... instead of the 1/2 hitch, once around for a figure 8 then take the loop over... and pull down...everything broke before the knot even looked like a fail.
I also was having trouble pulling up inis and such to end up with a trace an exact length... as in a long line...w ith the above... fix the hook on the other end....measure of f the legth to the base of clip / swivel whatever.....mono pinch , braid a dot of ball point pen......keep this as the end of the loop and pull that down even onto whatever u are tieing on.
Posted By: Ballsout
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2013 at 7:28am
Well been on holiday and came back to stellamoon not telling anyone the name of this knot still flip it must be good, I think it should be name the stellamoon knot the most secret knot you can every tie just don't ask for the name because I don't know. I have never tried crimping as ginga posted so I'm going to give this a try next time. There is a lot of really good brands of lures and rods on the market that I fell all work well at different times and conditions. But if your a carpenter man I can see how konishi is god to you, let's face it next time konishi is in nz he may be using a different knot again he always testing his gear it see what will work the best in the conditions.
stickbait hard go home to your mummy
Posted By: Stellamoon
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2013 at 10:39am
Stinkbait101288 wrote:
Well been on holiday and came back to stellamoon not telling anyone the name of this knot still flip it must be good, I think it should be name the stellamoon knot the most secret knot you can every tie just don't ask for the name because I don't know. I have never tried crimping as ginga posted so I'm going to give this a try next time. There is a lot of really good brands of lures and rods on the market that I fell all work well at different times and conditions. But if your a carpenter man I can see how konishi is god to you, let's face it next time konishi is in nz he may be using a different knot again he always testing his gear it see what will work the best in the conditions.
stickbait hard go home to your mummy
Let me educate you on why Konishi san is respected and has an international following by most international Topwater fisherman around the world and not only me. Firstly he is a pioneer in this type of fishing we love Stickbaiting
Secondly the difference between his rods and any other rod companies around the world is this
Quote from Carpenter (Australia)
“Carpenter has become one of the most respected and trusted fishing tackle manufactures in saltwater fishing, GT fishing in particular.
Each model is designed by Kenji Konishi and he with his testing team spends significant amount of time on water for testing them until action, taper and durability become how they desire for the purpose - absolutely with no compromise.
It is generally quite a long process to develop each model however once they are released to the market there will be no need for future model change (exception to minor change to reflect anglers' needs or to update with newer graphite technologies which are not changing its character) and remain in a range for the rest - there will be no full model change by marketing strategy and anglers will be able to care and use their rods for long time.”
Unlike some manufacturers who bring out a new model nearly each year which makes your latest rod redundant the next year!
Thirdly Carpenter lures have proven time and time again they catch BIG fish and when the fishing is slow that his lures can make the difference. I have been using Carpenter lures since 2010 and I have used plenty of others lures but there is a reason my stickbait collection consists of mainly Carpenter Gammas. Bluefish, Pandora’s, Lively Sardines etc is because they have proven to me that they work on NZ Kingfish in NZ waters. ( I can also fly to the islands, aussie, Sth Oman etc and use the same lures on other species like MahiMahi , GT's, Wahoo, YFT, BFT etc
I own plenty of other lures like CB One, Hammerhead, Meronya’s, Sevenseas, Fisherman, Orions Nature boys, RAL , Smiths etc and they all work however my carpenters IMHO outfish the others.
I have lost a few big fish at the leader to stickbait knot and the Japanese anglers like Konishi-san and Yoichi Mogi-san come here for 1 week of the year and land 40Kg plus fish. Thier knots and gear work and have been tested on NZ Kingfish in NZ!!!!
I can hardly say that for many other rod or lure company’s as they are not that dedicated to personally testing thier gear worldwide! These anglers are the pioneers of the fishing we love today, and the above is another reason why they are respected
All the knots that have been mentioned on this post work but when you are on the big boys this seems to be the point of weakness and a straight uni won’t hold it for me all the time when stickbaiting. Most of the knots mentioned will work on fish upto the high 20’s but only a few of these knots will hold on the 35kg -40Kg plus fish and that’s the knot you want to be tying! Instead of posting what knots your going to try, post knots that you have caught 30kg plus Kingfish on that have worked.
You never know when you will hook up to the Kingfish of a lifetime and you don’t want to lose that fish because some idiot on this forum posted a knot that he thinks has worked or will work on the mid sized fish.
Kingslayer (aka Rat Slayer ) and your side kick Stinkbait I look forward to seeing the pics of the Big Kingfish caught on your Hitter Lures or any other lure you have used and the knot you tied when you landed them, instead of all this BS talk.
Let’s disucuss stickbaiting knots that have worked for anyone on this forum on BIG KINGFISH! not mid sized.
Pics of Topwater Kingfish landed by the above mentioned Japanese anglers and company I'm interested in knots that will hold onto Kingfish like the below!!
As I said in my earlier post, I will post the Knot Konishi san showed Luke and me after the New Year when I get time to make a video.
Tight lines over the New Year everyone!!!
Posted By: ELEVAR
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2013 at 3:17pm
wow this escalated in a very fishing.net fashion.... ive seen 40kg plus fish on uni... caught 30+ on uni, lifted a 156kg dead marlin in a uni hahaha
Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2013 at 3:43pm
Good stuff guys haven't had a thread like this for ages keep up the good work . An those pics are epic by the way , they will be hard to beat.
Posted By: pirate
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2013 at 6:57pm
hmmm... interesting, I thought both you felllas are stablemates in the house of synit?.
I smell a rat kingi
Posted By: Ballsout
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2013 at 5:02pm
I just still can't believe this knot hasn't got a name yet, I many died waiting for it to. I keen getting told a story about carpenter and not about the knot that is top secret. like angler management said he lifted a 156kg marlin on a uni and last time I checked a few marlin fisherman use crimps on big game fish but this knot is better then anything ever tied before, but what do any of us or i know now just ask stellamoon for a story instead
I JUST WON'T THE NAME OF THE KNOT I hope you can read this and I DON'T NEED A LESSON ON CARPENTER I don't need a video to tell me
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2013 at 7:14pm
IMHO more knots get dusted by anglers pushing their drags up too high......I have used a uni knot as my primary knot for fishing for over 20 years and have never had one fail yet.........stellamoon mentions that a big fish like 30/40 kilos will put more strain on a the connection knot.......yes and no.
If you are fishing 15kg drag then how does a 30 or 40 kilo fish put more strain on a knot=It doesnt........the fight lasts longer and with that the endurance of the knot comes into question.....I havent lost one kingi on a uni but then i havent caught a 30 or 40 kilo kingi like stellamoon quotes.......so he does have a point......But many fishos have caught huge kings on a uni.....Jimi the fish springs to mind but if he knows a better way......then we all need to know because as we all know.....they are bloody expensive to lose..................Do you not have a link to this knot anesh?
As for the rod/sticks....thats up to the fisho to choose........I prefer siren lures to carpenters but hay ....each to his own without insult.............There are plenty of products to choose from....I am happy with my synit topshot lalandi which was field tested in nz for nz kingfish by a bloody good rod builder as i am sure anesh would agree with....the price was more agreeable for me too..............Anesh please either chuck up a link(there must be one somewhere) or do this vid......I am sure it will be appreciated by all on here
------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens.
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2013 at 7:20pm
Stellamoon...As I said in my earlier post, I will post the Knot Konishi san showed Luke and me after the New Year when I get time to make a video...........(That sounds pretty clear to me)...............Stinkbait......I dont think that is quite the right way to go about your request........Nobody owes anybody anything on here........This is a place to share(if you wish too) ...not demand............at the end of the day its up to anesh if he wishes to share this knot and of course it would be great to know,now wouldnt it....lets hope he feels like doing it!
------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens.
Posted By: Ballsout
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2013 at 8:14pm
So what the big knot you can't tell us????????
Like what i said to start with I just wait and see, but it has gone right off the topic to I can catch a bigger fish then you and my brands better then yours.
Posted By: campbellc
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2013 at 9:11pm
Seen swordfish , blue marlin , stripies and kings over 37kgs landed landed on uni knots , when you find a king that is gunna pull for 4 hours and weigh over 400lbs let me know . This is a joke , hope you all got tissues for Christmas cause there's gunna be a mega mess after all this ****ing on about who's knots better .
Posted By: fishmad1
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2013 at 10:20pm
For a while here (Oman) we were using heavy leaders..to 300lb or something up around 1.85mm. Many here still use a 3 turn clinch knot or the Uni. The only thing we found with the Uni is that it sometimes flattens on the swivel and some people believe lead to failure..we then started to put it though the swivel twice but a lot depends on the size of the swivel ring hence we used the biggest NTs...the vast majority of break offs we have here are in the main line, nothing to do with the knot.
------------- www.hi-ika.com
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2013 at 12:32am
fishmad1 wrote:
For a while here (Oman) we were using heavy leaders..to 300lb or something up around 1.85mm. Many here still use a 3 turn clinch knot or the Uni. The only thing we found with the Uni is that it sometimes flattens on the swivel and some people believe lead to failure..we then started to put it though the swivel twice but a lot depends on the size of the swivel ring hence we used the biggest NTs...the vast majority of break offs we have here are in the main line, nothing to do with the knot.
interesting campbell and fish mad.....it gets hard to tie a uni in the bigger weight lines too....IMHO....form the knot up the line and make sure its tidy.....then spit on it and line and slowly pull up.
------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens.
Posted By: TOSF
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2013 at 5:13am
Oh this thread is gold, very entertaining
In our camp we use the uni, tube knot (uni then reversed down its self) and the SanDiego Jam knot, all these knots work well with no failures, to be honest we have gone away from the uni as the tube knot lays up neater on line over 80lb. My crew tests a lot of knots and have found the San Diego one of the strongest knots and we have also found by putting the line though the eye twice before tying a uni or tube knot it weakens the knot (tests done on electronic scales), its more about the friction of the two lines rubbing over each other and the width at the base of the knot that weakens the knot.
As Ginga says the crimp may be the easiest and strongest and most likely the least used and over looked (maybe because its not as "flash" looking or maybe no one has come out with a pair of gold plated aircraft grade alloy surgical S/S trendy crimpers signed by some Asian dude that these new modern fisherman seems to like using these days).
Topwater we have caught many fish over 40/50kgs and even one estimated at over 100kgs that was lost boat side due to a broken rod (after a 3hr fight) all using the uni, tube or San Diego Jam knots.
Live and dead baiting we have caught many marlin up to and well over 200kgs using these knots on hooks and swivels with no failures. Crimping hooks we have caught Tuna to over 400kgs on 130lb fluro with the simple crimp to the hook. (these are just examples how well these connections hold under more drag pressure more than most could hang onto on a topwater rod).
I feel a lot of failures acure mainly due to connections not being check and retied. Casting, missed bites and hook tangles all sure play havoc on gear.
A past catch that I was part of that makes me think about pushing connections and gear to the limit is this stunning topwater catch by JoshW (photo below), soft bait rod and reel, 50lb leader and (uni knot or Tube knot not 100% on which one) to the cheap $20 stickbait, over an hour fight, jumps, huge surface runs and times where the fish hung down deep and took us a long way out to sea, but a carefully tied simple knot held tight.
Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2013 at 9:06am
Hmm you could be onto something there , gold plated crimpers endorsed by jackie chan with limited edition bejizzled handles .
Posted By: feedthefamily
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2014 at 9:54am
the angler wrote:
Hmm you could be onto something there , gold plated crimpers endorsed by jackie chan with limited edition bejizzled handles .
Great idea Angler - off to the patent office now.
------------- Give a man a fish, feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and get rid of him for the weekend.
Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2014 at 8:27am
the angler wrote:
Hmm you could be onto something there , gold plated crimpers endorsed by jackie chan with limited edition bejizzled handles .
Mike just about bust a rib. Great to see a bit of humour amongst the knot testosterone. I understand the significance of some of the overseas anglers who field test their brands here in NZ but to me the real story is US the kiwi angler who has adapted & invested in numerous new & innovative angling methods. Is it possible that we might one day tell the field testers "hey try this" & have them go back home n tell all their mates how it's done in NZ??? Just a thought!!
------------- Tight lines PE Pete
Posted By: Cbro
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2014 at 9:49am
Stellamoon wrote:
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I hate pics like that, makes it hard to believe the size of the fish or photo shop has been given a nudge.
Posted By: Cbro
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2014 at 9:59am
TOSF wrote:
In our camp we use the uni, tube knot (uni then reversed down its self) and the SanDiego Jam knot, all these knots work well with no failures, to be honest we have gone away from the uni as the tube knot lays up neater on line over 80lb. My crew tests a lot of knots and have found the San Diego one of the strongest knots and we have also found by putting the line though the eye twice before tying a uni or tube knot it weakens the knot (tests done on electronic scales), its more about the friction of the two lines rubbing over each other and the width at the base of the knot that weakens the knot.
How many wraps would you make when tying the sandiego on say 100lb mono/floro? I've used it softbaiting on 15lb but then went back to a loop knot.
Cheers.
Posted By: TOSF
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2014 at 10:57am
5 times on heavier line say over 100lb, 6 or 7 on ligher lines.
Make sure you get the loops formed up well and tight before pulling up nice and tight it then becomes a lot neater and stronger. Its always nice to have the hook or swivel attached to something when pulling up tight and some spit for lube.
Posted By: Boxee
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2014 at 11:24am
"I hate pics like that, makes it hard to believe the size of the fish or photo shop has been given a nudge."
Cbro - Probably just the wide angle lens on the GoPro/DSLR, when peoples knees are bigger than their torso there is usually some forced perspective. Not worth being found out using photoshop.
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2014 at 2:01am
well...after all this...we still never got stellamoons knot.........come in anesh...over
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Posted By: Ballsout
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2014 at 8:18am
I'm still waiting for the name of this knot to because i was told how im not doing anything right and this knot was going to save all our souls and catch 40kg plus kingfish because we all catch rats with the knots we use at the mo. I think it be good a video of you anesh tying it .
Posted By: Mr Plastic
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2014 at 12:46pm
Yep ive landed a 38-40 on jig with a uni. Much more pressure than topwater. I think sometimes we complicate things to much. I think the curry comment could be left out kingislayer. Rod maker politics should be done by pm. Or just meet face to face and get the gloves out!. Im not a big fan of racest comments. Its only a knot for gods sake!!.
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Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2014 at 2:24pm
Anybody tried using the Jansik knot , really simple to tie and popular with the Gt popping guys ?