treble hooks banned
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Topic: treble hooks banned
Posted By: Structfab
Subject: treble hooks banned
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 11:36am
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extract from Jigstar's FB page regarding inline singles states: These are the answer for top water lures where treble hooks are becoming increasingly unpopular due to the danger in handling wild fish hooked on trebles. All Whakatane charter boats have banned the use of trebles leaving inline hooks the obvious replacement. has anyone got some more info on this? Is this just White Is. or does this include Ranfurly? Is it really all Whakatane charter boats???? Does this mean re-tuning my carpenters & cherry pai's for Ranfurly / January with all singles
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Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 6:12pm
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Sadly it seems to be true mate although I have heard that in some cases you can use barbless trebles but have to agree to unhook your own fish ------------- http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">  http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">www.boulderguiding.co.nz |
Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 8:54pm
bugger! back to the drawing board then
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Boulder wrote:Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 9:04pm
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Ban double hooks in game lures based on those parameters...choice! ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: alan syme
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 9:40pm
| enchanter and cova rose no longer allow trebles to better look after the kingies, a good thing in my opinion. |
Posted By: Snag
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 9:52pm
I agree
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Posted By: murrayt
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 10:43pm
| Good riddance - ******* of things for fish, anglers and deckies |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 10:44pm
Kenji san and his band of merry men use single hooks on their Gammas, you don't need to use trebles on a Gamma. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 6:30am
| not against it in principal, just a bit peeved that I'm possibly going to Ranfurly with a precision pak full of lures unrigged, and I waisted 2 days of casting in BOP on a shocker charter (not blamming the skip) where I could have been re-tuning with singles. But instead I'm back to square one and minimal chance of casting time before I go due to work commitments. I sudddenly feel unprepared and short of hooks, and Santa's pockets are bare. |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 6:38am
Send them Gammas down to me Deane and i will tune them for you  -------------  www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 6:45am
done mate, sent to: Dreamer, Whangamata.  |
Posted By: ELEVAR
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 7:17am
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sell them, buy orions slap any old jig hook on them (sj or jobu) and catch fish.... that's what id do anyway... zac |
Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 7:40am
SO can someone , who knows Kenji-san or one of the skippers from Whakatane ( who must be starting to see which hooks work on which stickbaits ) or anyone who has done some serious experimenting , which hooks - rigging work as well as the trebles on the more popular lures , ie gammmas , orions , cherry pais , cb ones . This would of great service to us all , and can lure makers start to work more on lures for single hooks 
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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 9:54am
 The Baker rig, well that's me sorted. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 10:05am
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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 10:44am
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Rory, With the Gamma's etc. don't be scared to experiment. I would be looking at dressing singles to create drag and resistance etc... A lot will depend on the individual anglers style and "feel". I love using dressed hooks, I don't know why we don't see more anglers doing this here in NZ? But it could be an option for you Gamma users... A lot of info for the lures you listed will be GT biased, there will be hooks they (being GT anglers) have discounted due to strength etc. that will be fine for YTK. Orions respond well with assist rigging too, so keep an open mind. Give the guys at Enchanter a bell, they had Kenji and crew on board in December... Looked like they were using ringed Kudako's and Decoy singles... But that's enough PR for the big boy's, if they want to sign on to F.net and help the brothers out I'm all for it... ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: fishntips
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 1:48pm
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Good on you Sam for trying to make lures for years now that will swim with singles. It's a good ambition and a good deed. I always kind of balk at your glory hunting thou. A little more time in the early days in concentrating on design for lures that swim well and catch fish, rather than focusing on how to catch fishermen, would have served you a whole lot more better IMHO. I'm in two minds about this. The best lures will not swim singles well at all. Lures that swim with singles or bakers rig work well when the bite is hot, but not when not. Trebles swim lures the best, but can be deadly on kingfish and deck crew. It's a double edged sword. Barbless help but doesn't solve the issue. I'll continue to fish trebles on my boat and handle fish with the best care I can, given the situation. I also fully respect charter operators for the calls they make for them selves in this regard. Their call for a unified single kingfish take per angler in the western BOP has been good respectful approach. I see this is similar, but they should be able to make their own decisions. I think we should be more concerned about the comms than the sports fishermen. By the way I think that picture above is a have. |
Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 4:00pm
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^^^really? And I thought Sam made great lures proven to catch fish, I must have missed the bit where he was glory hunting ??? Probably cause I was fishing his lures ( fantastic action). Bold move calling BS on Ben, and Sam and the photo! Maybe Ben can get a certified copy of the photo just for you :) On reflection I think your post shows what happens when 2 neurons In an otherwise empty head bump into each other. ------------- "I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for" |
Posted By: onthedrop
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 4:34pm
You forget about the damage trebles can do to fish ------------- FEED THE WHANAU |
Posted By: Aaron32987
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 4:34pm
 surely that's a joke?Sam's lures have proven themselves over and over again with and he's a great young guy doing something he's passionate about. 'Glory hunting' would be about the furtherest description from the truth...
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Posted By: YeeHaa
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 6:34pm
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Based on my little knowledge and the Trips we just fished with Mr. Konishi (Carpenter). We have asked many questions and tested with Single hooks on the stick baits. the results are below: 1. Small lures Gamma 120g under are okay with single hooks. the action will drop 10-30% depends on the skills. 2. Small lures under rough conditions are having trouble with single hook. lure actions drop 50% easy. 3. Lures rigged with single hooks hooked up rate will drop down. the belly hook will not set hook with easy. 4. big lures are very difficult swimming with single hooks and action drop by 50% easy. 5. double hooK (single hooks back to back) with barbs and single on the tail of the lures is not really safer anyway. ( ask the new Captain on the cova rose about SJ41 11/0 in his hand years back at the kings). I think he wish that was a ST66 5/0 treble at that time. IMO: Most accident happened when the people are not using pliers and gloves when they handling the fish. I have to say most the charter boats are not happy to deal with the treble hooks for many reasons, but we respect the choice that all the Captains from Whakatane charter boats. For me when I am fishing on my own boat and other charter boats in other areas I will still use barbless trebles, because I want to catch more fish .Finally: we just have a small numbers of TOP WATER single hooks arrived from Japan. These hooks are make to balance the weight of treble hooks in different size. These are the hooks used and tested by Japanese pros such as Mr. Mogi and his group, Mr. Konishi (carpenter). so for the people who want to use singles on their stick baits. here is the new product from YEEHAA Fishing.  ABOVE PICTURE SHOWS THE MATCHING SINGLES TO THE TREBLE HOOKS. Also just to stop the arguing, I think now we have both options to chose from and we do have both style of hooks. We would like leave the choice to the customers. IMPORTANCE: the single hooks will reduce the lure actions a bit but will reduce the damage to the fish and also the risks to the crew members. please makeup your own mind before purchasing. CHEERS TONY -------------   WWW.YEEHAA.CO.NZ (09)5705058 30 Jellicoe Road Panmure |
Posted By: YeeHaa
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 7:27pm
I think that is not 100% right mate. they are working on to develop the lures to suit the single hooks more. But at this stage they are still testing lures and treble hooks make the lures swimming much better and much easier to catch fish. ------------- WWW.YEEHAA.CO.NZ (09)5705058 30 Jellicoe Road Panmure |
Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2013 at 9:37pm
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Good feedback thus far thanks guys. I guess weights are the best thing to try to match, as Tony has mentioned, although the drag resistance of a matching treb will be a little more I guess, but as Sam has mentioned dressing the hook could add the required drag. I run a little octty skirt on the arse of a RAL stick which swims well, though I've never tried this on on the belly hook. I've got this for treb weights if its of interest to anyone.  and to test and record results I use a simple sheet:  |
Posted By: TOSF
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2013 at 7:50am
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Fishntips, A few big calls there! I have only known Sam for a couple of years and find him a straight up guy and pretty humble, "glory hunting" would be pretty far from what I would call him. Infact myself and a lot of others have the upmost respect for what he does. Kiwi made lures that work well, designs them himself, works two jobs and supports a young family and always very helpful. Sam would be one of the "good guys" of the NZ tackle industry in my eyes and very passionate about what he does. Never really been a fan of knocking someone who is passionate about something especially in an industry where its hard to make a good living. Here is another "have" photo of a RAL Haku baker rigged, rough day and slow topwater bite.  Good call from the charter fleet, trebbles no good for released fish and a real hazard for crew especially in areas where large numbers are fish are coming on board for release. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/TonyOrtonSportFishingOffshoreAdventures www.offshoreadventures.net http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Captn Phil
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2013 at 7:53am
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Here are a couple of things I've noted. The mid hook seems to have less effect on the action of the stickbait than the rear hook. The biggest problem is that the mid hook lies up against the side of the lure and is not exposed enough to be effective at hooking up. The rear hook is the tricky one but we have had best results using short lengths of assist cord on the hook to create the right amount of resistance to the lure tail. I understand the reasons for skippers choosing not to allow trebles. They are a serious hazard when handling fish. As far as damage to the fish goes, I've seen some pretty nasty wounds created by small gauge singles on feisty fish and some treble hooked fish with virtually nothing but a couple of small holes. I still allow the use of trebles on "Reel Life" because I want the anglers to get the best they can from their expensive lures. We understand and accept the risk of handling them and its a case of being aware, taking the time and concentrating on freeing the fish methodically. That may change on the day I wear one but so far so good. ------------- Taking sportfishing charters to the next level. Blue Water Adventures Ltd Whangaroa / Bay of Islands |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2013 at 12:14pm
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When I was in nz I found it frustrating the lack of barbless owner trebles ....I ended up getting from overseas..All my poppers and stickbaits have barbless trebles on them...If owner barbless trebles were stocked by most tackle shops,they could insist on barbless only and that would help....then gloves and long hook removers but to me it seems unfair to anglers who have paid big bucks for lures that only fish trebles.....it effectively makes the whole lure redundant as that was how it was designed to be fished. Add to the fact...some people squash the barbs but they don't release as well as barbless treble hooks do. I also have some lures that fish a treble on the belly and an inline on the back. The onus should be on the charter operator to look after his crew and his customers and banning trebles doesn't achieve that. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: campbellc
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2013 at 12:31pm
| Good move , who wants to wear a treble hook or any hook for that matter when there's a angry king on the other . the crew are there to provide you with a service and there personal safety should be considered when you're bringing your 20th psyco rat king to the boat with a free hook or 3 flying around in often pretty average conditions . Good on them for protecting themselves and the fish they make a living off catching and releasing . |
Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2013 at 1:01pm
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I think its more about decky safety than looking after the fish. When you see some of the shark scars on these big healthy fish, a treb results in little more than a shaving rash. And as Phil said, the singles can still make a mess. Also lost lures are dislodged easily by the fish when using barbless trebs. Kiss your lure goodbye if its got a barbed single, the fish is going to have it for a while.
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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2013 at 1:22pm
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Don't forget guys, the deck is a workplace... Same rules applies about providing a safe work environment whether on boat or on land, it's purely about minimising the risk. What this will encourage is people to think outside the box, this won't be a bad thing! ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2013 at 5:03pm
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Treble hooks suck!! I've worn one and it required surgery to get it out, didn't really like that a kingy was still hanging on the other hook whilst it was stuck in me too. The lures do swim better with trebles and if the fishing is tough I still use em, Hot bites and places like Ranfurly they Are really uneccesary and all they do is slow you down as it takes so much longer to release the fish. I run a policy of unhooking fish at the side of the boat only bring them in when the hooks are out , every now and then you get one where this is impossible but most cases it works. Damage to the fish and crew generally comes from the second hook, one hook goes in the mouth and the other one flailing around is the one that does the damage, doesn't matter if it's singles or trebles the second hook does the damage. Singles are easier for crew to unhook that's for sure. What would be ideal is a system like the assist hook used in jigging, I remember using trebles on jigs and at the time that was the best system. There is bound to be a solution but I feel that the best solution will involve only one hook being used. I know my sinking Nambas runs pretty good with just one hook, least year I tested assists on them at Ranfulry and ended up straightening out a heap of hooks and lost some big fish. These where the same heavy duty hooks I use on jigs so no idea why they were straightening. This year will be trying out some heavier hooks on them to see if that helps but open to ideas or suggestions on why the bloody things were opening up, could be a leveredge issue??? But I dunno. ------------- www.extremesportfishing.co.nz. Agent for Carpenter, Orion and ASWB products |
Posted By: Twocan
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2013 at 9:19am
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I have had a treble in me without a fish attached to it and that required the doc to get it out, hate the *******! Never use the damn things anymore! ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2013 at 10:41am
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Funnily enough it is possible to use trebles for fishing and not end up mutilating yaself, unfortunately it takes patience, focus and foresight...... ------------- "I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for" |
Posted By: Twocan
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2013 at 10:44am
And not being mildly retarded hence me ending up at the docs haha ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2013 at 10:47am
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Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2013 at 11:02am
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Glad you can see the funny side and error. On my boat I only fish with poppers and stickbaits, all have trebles. They all live unhooked in a roll. Used lures ALL get put in a bucket, no matter what. Rigged lures on rods get strapped to the rod with rod straps. Everyone gets told, when a fish comes on board..... Stand back, let one person concentrate on removing the lure. Lots of pliers of differing specs on board, boaga grips and some pre made tail ropes if required. In th one instance of someone did get pierced, it was because SHE disregarded the rules. ( felt for her but it won't happen again) I appreciate it is difficult to do on a charter boat , often with differing skill levels and people being in a rush. ------------- "I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for" |
Posted By: Twocan
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2013 at 11:14am
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I think the leave it to one person is the golden one here. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2013 at 12:03pm
have you worn any rods mate I think I will attach trebles to every eye I hate trebles and I still use them but only to drag through schools of trevs etc and use them also for jagging piper at night. good on the charter fleet doing this as has been said they can be very dangerous but as also mentioned if used properly and with your mind on the job reduces an accident ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Falco
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2013 at 11:41am
A note from 35kgs ago...
http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/reelappeallures_topic61328.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/reelappeallures_topic61328.html
You may be suprised at how much R&D Sam has done,how many hours he has put in casting himself and untold cost he has absorbed to get lures to people who will use them...possibly work you are unaware of.
If you look at tuna360 you will see years of posts and discussion with lure makers who are likely more passionate than most fishers about their craft.
I am sure Sam is not finished yet either so all that R&D you say he has over looked can be continually developed, I guess that is what keeps life interesting..trial and error and always looking to improve.
I had a massive stable of Carpenter lures,I sold them all...to be honest I caught more fish on other lures..but I would never suggest the lure maker think about making his lure's more fishy less flashy. ------------- as dead as dead is |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2013 at 12:02pm
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Posted By: Billfish2
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2013 at 12:07pm
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The way I see this, it has to be good for the fish and the Deckies.
When you think about it if you do a charter on a Whakatane boat and you have 6 anglers and each angler catches say 6 King Fish each that is 36 Fish to be dealt with. it is only a matter of time before someone takes a treble in the hand or leg. this is only based on 1 days fishing, And the top Whakatane boats are doing a lot of days and on a really hot bite I think the above sceanrio is being Conservative. And not to mention that the fish will
Benefit from single hooks. I can understand where the anglers with their stick baits are coming from, but can you experiment with heavier singles / lighter singles to see what works best?
No doubt the anglers have spent a lot of money on stick baits, but their has to be trial on the stick baits they have bought to see if singles will work?
My 5 cents worth
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Posted By: JIMMY NAIL
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2013 at 12:11pm
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Many of the manufactures recommend trebles as they create more drag and help to balance the lure. From my personal experience single hooks work fine in calm conditions and the hook up rate is the same. I have no problem with the charter boats banning them. |
Posted By: fishntips
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2013 at 12:27pm
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That's quite funny because at the same time you Falco were doing that testing with those little poppers all those years ago and that subsequent write up, Sam was on 360Tuna telling all his lure making buddies how he likes getting others to do all his testing so he doesn't have to waste his time and money on gas. The guy didn't have a boat and only had a surfcaster to cast his stick baits. Reflective of his self integrity and internet self inflated pseudo status. Where ever he was at with his gear all good, but spinning drivel like that is weak. I'm sure Sam's lures have come a long way since then, the designs look a lot better. They have always been super strong and durable. But having online lure making competitions where they all lubricate their own egos with the sole focus on all about how pretty to make a lure and nothing about design, then going on to sell inefficient stickbaits at top shelf prices really bugged me. I had one of those early stick baits. It ended up sinking well below the surface and the thing just tracked on weird angles, it did not swim like an erratic fleeing bait fish at all, like all those good stick baits do. Those baits that a lot of people rushed out and brought were $160, a lot of money for an absolute pig of a lure, pretty none the less. He went for the fisherman and not for the fish. I'm sure the amount of hand labor and tedium to getting them to look hot that went into them was more than fair for the price, yet the end design result was not definitely not. Sam will point to angler skill and action rather the design of his baits. Good floating lures can be notoriously difficult to swim. These sinking lure were not, they simply didn't swim right at all, they just sunk and bogged out on an angle. Good on him for all the hard work and development he continues to put into his future endeavors. I'm sure a lot has been addressed in his latest baits, that he kindly sends to so many charter operators. But sorry he lost me way bake there with his approach. Ask all those charter operators, even with RAL graphics plastered on the sides of their boats if his lures are the first pick out of the bunch. GTs eat all sorts of ridiculous lures too, so not a real testimony. The single hook orientation will be surely gathering momentum with it's proponents and propellents. |
Posted By: Rockstar from Mars
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2013 at 10:22pm
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Wow I bet you spend a lot of time on the toilet fishntips, After all those sour grapes.... ------------- Winning..... |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 12:00am
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That's some good feedback Fishntips, why you didn't contact me earlier is a mystery... Clearly you follow my work. I stand behind what I make, so if you have a dud lure we can change it out. I'm unsure what lure you have or when I made it so I would be interested to know for my own records, contact me @ [email protected] I have a lure that runs trebles, I don't sell this lure but in regard to your previous post stating only the best lures swim trebles it may be of interest as an exchange? It's up to you. There is some footage of the bait and it's action on my FB page, check it out if you haven't already. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=538266989575276&l=385904578086568494 Ben at Nomad and Tony both have my stickers on there boat, Ben could probably count on both hands how many lures he has received from me and Tony pays for his cash. Let's keep things in context and let's keep this thread about the great treble v single hook debate. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 2:06am
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Class vs Arse. You decide which is which……. ------------- "I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for" |
Posted By: Mr Plastic
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 8:56am
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[QUOTE=Kezza]Ban double hooks in game lures based on those parameters...choice ------------- Synit Prototype bender |
Posted By: Mr Plastic
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 11:07am
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Sebile floating stick shad. Best swimming lure ive seen to date. Also the easiest. Only 30 bucks!.kings love em..Ive tried the 250 carpenter lures and the cheap starwalkers. I often wonder who gets caught here. The angler or the fish??. Like jigging the fish decide what they want on any given day. The more topwater i do the less i believe what ive been told.. It seems the bigger the advertising budget the more money they need to recover. Same with everything i spose. ------------- Synit Prototype bender |
Posted By: swoffer
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 11:10am
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Good thing to ban trebles! I gave up on them years ago, because had to kill too many fish to recover the lure, particularly with poppers etc where there are often two trebles, one down the throat and the other in the mouth and around. I changed to a single on the rear and a double on the body. Hook-up rate was just the same and easier to release fish. ------------- "The more people I meet, the more I love my dog......" http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 11:22am
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Years ago ,Rakaia river mouth --slow day. No one was fishing anymore. While taliking to a fisherman saw a tail break the surface going up stream. Cast above it. Salmon on.Nice 20 lber on the gravel beach. Same guy looked at the single hook in the corner of its mouth,and began to insist its not possible to catch salmon on single hooks. Go figure. Have never used trebble hooks on lures and dont miss many strikes. Have always felt singles held better. So any lures i buy i replace trebbles with singles. I am not using huge lures so dont know how this effects larger lures. |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 11:39am
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find the 3 hook tears lips and need net to retrieve as they do not penetrate like a single hook lure,(kahawai)single hook fish seem to get lure in by gills,we only troll for bait or a good kahawai smoker/raw ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: funandfunction
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 10:36pm
what if this was a barbless treble? If I was forced to choose between wearing a barbless treble or a barbed single hook.....id pick the barbless treble any day.......the barb is the big issue in my book............this hook would slide out lovely if it was barbless.........would be bad news with the barb inside...............bring barbless into nz......phase out barbed trebles......make barbless trebles cheaper......Easier to release fish...easier for fish to shake off lure if they bust you off and teach you to keep a tight line........I don't use barbed trebles anymore......Its no good crushing the barbs either....they can still stick....barbless trebs are smooth as and machined that way and will slide right out without anything to catch on.........why not trial it? see how it goes and then if it sucks....then ban them..........Barbless deserve a chance.
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Posted By: segador
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 11:41pm
| lip gaff them long handled pliers whats the big deal |
Posted By: harry mike
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 9:36am
exactly, i dont see why every one is making such a big deal of it, especially if you use barbless hooks they just slip out. ------------- Fresh waters for drinking, Saltwaters for fishing. |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 4:53pm
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Agreed, barbless trebles are the way to go. Trebles and stickbaiting go hand in hand. Singles and bakers can be just as dangerous and damaging in the wrong situations and the wrong hands. For me it's all about the action and trebles give you by far the best action and performance. I might have a different view being a deck hand on one of the bigger charter operations however. ------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
Posted By: sid fishus
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 1:59pm
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flippin eck, I thought, hmm interesting topic........... Then I thought with so many opinions going on theres nothing to add...... Sigh. ------------- I always tell the truth about things that never happened |
Posted By: sid fishus
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 2:01pm
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I might go n do a bit of lure tuning for singles. BUT I am also gonna look for some gama recorders. :) ------------- I always tell the truth about things that never happened |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2013 at 4:41pm
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I have been fishing ocea and starwalker with inline 7/0 and prefer the action over trebles anyway......the lure also resurfaces quicker too but I have a few ideas for the singles dilemma.............I read someone said here that the hook up rate of the treble belly hook is not good.......so why not add and extra split ring and use a normal jig hook like Jm monster......that would run the hook lower(should improve hook up rate) and with a bit of extra weight.....run the belly hook one size up from the tail hook.........you wont need in line singles then. The other thing people could try is put one of those lumo sleeves over your hook.....that would bulk up the single hook a bit..........if i get chance i will have a play a bit and see.Here is a lumo sleeve=  These were 8/0 and found them too big...so went for 7/0 in line shoguns-great action(floater)  ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2013 at 8:47am
but this is what we need - people sharing what they know and what works after experimenting , nice one mate .
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2013 at 4:44am
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Thanks legacy........I would be Bold and say "Ban the Barb" on both trebles and singles.....Its a win/win situation for the charters/angler/fish If barbless hooks are used....it might result in a lost fish for the angler= Learn how to fish properly!Keep a tight line. Easier for the fish to throw the lure if it busts you off. Easier for deckies to remove hooks full stop. If you get a hook stuck in you...easier to take out....a single barbed hook stuck in you would be nasty .Less damage done to the fish with barbless. In fact ......inline barbless would be awesome. We dont have barbs when we get our blood taken now do we !!! LOL ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2014 at 8:33pm
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just got back from Ranfurly. Found the Gamma & Cherry Pai's didn't like belly singles at all, matched weights to 3/0 ST-66 trebs and added assist for drag but didn't like the results. Best results were with Cherry Pai 200, baker rigged (x2) JM MJ-2008-9/0's on belly with #10 ring, with single on tail (weight match for 3/0 ST-66). However straightened no less then 3 x JM's on the belly whilst putting some heat on the larger models. While many were taking fish on cheaper un-tuned lures, the cherry pai's rigged as noted was consistently hooking more, and larger models. Would have loved to have the time to have done some tuning prior to the trip. Will be returning to trebs on my own boat. However the topwater at Ranfurly was absolutely mental, and anything was working. |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2014 at 8:46pm
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Well done Deane, look forward to full report was weather was a bit better than original forcasts? ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2014 at 9:13pm
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Question... instead of changing the hooks on the lures, why not change the lures to suit the hooks. from what i can see and hear, the lures are designed for trebles, and not for doubles or singles.. redesign the lures to run doubles and singles,make new lures ..make some lures singles/doubles and leave the rest as they are to be fished where ever :) ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> MH... Catch measure release...<*))))< |
Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2014 at 12:21pm
managed Wed/Thurs at the Banks, Mon/ Tues sheltering
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Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2014 at 1:03pm
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How is a barbless treble more dangerous than a single with a barb? |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2014 at 3:28pm
Exactly what i said mate.........Dont think they are thinking straight..
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Posted By: ELEVAR
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2014 at 5:57pm
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barb or no barb still guna hurt like mad, id rather two points than 6.... |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 04 Feb 2014 at 9:17pm
You know those evil looking spikes that camels eat in Morroco? I had one go right in my ankle about an inch and half and it hurt like **** but i pulled it straight out.....Glad it didnt have a barb on it....had me tetanus before i went(19 years old)......A barb is going to make a nice little mess on the way out whatever hook its on .....plus wearing it for a while will add to the fun.------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Nomad
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 12:18am
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The way I see this is that if a charter boat makes a call that trebles are banned it will be for a good reason, safety is paramount when at sea for multi day trips in offshore locations and at all times so we need to respect this and just get on with the sport we all enjoy. I personally dont like treble hooks as they are a bit harder to remove from fish but will still let anglers use them as I do understand that some lures do work better with trebles. To give everyone advice on how I deal with fish when they come to the boat is I lip gaff the fish and lift the fish so the lips are flush with the boats gunnels then proceed to remove the lure and hooks at this point, then once the lure has been removed if we want to release the fish it slides back into the water or we want to get a few snaps I will slid it into the anglers arms from there, at no point I think should a fish be brought into the boat with a lure still in its mouth, its just asking for trouble. Now to the top water pro fishntips, you have made a few big calls mate, on the road to starting to correct you on your very poor judgment calls, first the photo of me holding the kingfish with RAL in its mouth, it is 100% legit, that was the first fish taken on that lure and the photo was taken by a good client of mine. your little digs at Sam are BS, you dont have a clue at how much time has been put into R&D on the 100 Haku and other RAL lures and saying Sam is into glory hunting?? come on you statement that lures with singles or Baker rigs will catch fish when the bite is hot and not when the fishing is slow is a testament to how little time you have actual spent on the water fishing to quote you again "Sam will point to angler skill and action rather the design of his baits. Good floating lures can be notoriously difficult to swim. These sinking lure were not, they simply didn't swim right at all, they just sunk and bogged out on an angle." there is always a RAL lure in the mix when we are fishing top water, I have loads of clients that are on my boat to give top water a go and you mite be surprised to know that they catch fish with the 100gm Haku with very little experience, maybe dont blame the lure for not catching fish it could be your lack of knowledge on how to find them. fishntip do you really think I would use something that does not work when I have paying clients on the boat expecting to catch good fish and enjoy what I thing is the best way to target Kingfish?? and do you think Tony would do the same?? I would like to see some of your great catches of top water Kingys or any other fish??? now back to the topic of banning trebles. ------------- Ben Pokaia <a href="http://www.nomadsportfishing.co.nz"> 
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Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 8:40am
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Seems alot of people have missed the point Ben, argument for arguments sake perhaps? I got the confirmation I needed on the 2nd post. Still had a great trip with the restrictions in place and provided some feedback on what worked and didn't work with the lures that I fish regularly. When I return down that way again I'll be better prepared, maybe with different lures, maybe not. Charter businesses can apply what ever rules they feel necessary, after all it's their business. Hopefully it has highlighted the rule to others planning a trip down there, as it was only by chance I had found out before I got there, so I prepared as best I could with the limited time I had. Surely the only constructive direction for this thread to take is for people to share their success / or failure of different hook combinations with lures that are otherwise designed to swim trebles, or as someone pointed out with the Nambas, effective lures that swim best with singles.
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Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 05 Feb 2014 at 5:08pm
| A chart or list of what lures work with what singles would be absolutely valuable info for anyone who does topwater |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2014 at 11:03pm
Going to experiment some time with what i have done here...will try on all sorts of stickbaits....top pics are 9/0 inline with size 11mm splits and the bottom are 8/0 with 10mm splits........the 9/0 will go on the belly...8/0 on the tail......as you can see one has a lumo tube on it and the other has two tubes of heat shrink............I was thinking of testing in the local pond but i might get some strange look from the locals as well as the ducks.......will let you know how it goes but its no harm in trying.....If this sucks...I will try squirts next.  ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |