slow pitch jigs
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Topic: slow pitch jigs
Posted By: worksux
Subject: slow pitch jigs
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 12:21pm
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Looks like this will be the next big thing, Any one had a go at this style of jigging yet. Thinking it will be great for older guys that have shoulder injuries. http://www.biggame4u.net/show.asp?id=5100&cat=1&language=en ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 12:45pm
Yep, it is fun Dave but expensive. Jigs start at $15, most around $30-40. some i got in from Japan below  This snapper caught by my son on a Blue blue Sea Ride jig -------------  www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 12:59pm
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Only issue I have had using similar jigs on Kings Dave is the bloody jigs flutter all over the ocean on the drop and create massive tangles if fishing in a boat with 3 other anglers. But they work  ------------- http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">  http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">www.boulderguiding.co.nz |
Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 5:16pm
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Had a go with the daiwa knuckle jigs which I think a similar and yep boulder is right the bloody things go everywhere include ing under the boat and into your mates line , easy solution take turns dropping . Snapper like them couldn't entice a bite from a king although had good follows . |
Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 5:27pm
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They are magic. 3 dozen snapper in one day off one 40g daiwa knuckle. And picked up other fish on inchiku and softbait but the daiwa knuckle was by far the most effective Keen to try the bigger ones of different designs...testing this weekend |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 6:11pm
Agree Graham, i have been using 120g to 180g in 40-50m and with 2 on boat no problems.They do come in weights up to 350g from memory ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Boulder wrote:Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2013 at 8:24pm
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I've got the red and white lumo stripe daiwa ones in 45g and 300g and they sure do glow when you turn the lights off , i will give the 300 a go on puka at some stage I reckon it will be deadly with. A long assist on it , if the pikas can get to it before the johnny s and schnapps . Gettin hooked on this slow jig thingy . |
Posted By: Cannibal
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2013 at 5:13pm
| Keep an eye out, as there should be some very affordable slow pitch pitch lures coming soon. |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2013 at 6:47pm
tell us more cannibal? you entering the market? ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2013 at 8:04pm
 I have been using the Blue Blue Sea Rides to good effect, they are a really wicked jig to use and very versatile. Also want to try the HOT's Slow Conker out, must be time for another order! Will get in some larger Sea Rides next time too... ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: TCG
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2013 at 8:12pm
| How long does it take to get Blue Blues into NZ Sam? and where from, Cheers |
Posted By: Men In Black
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2013 at 8:42pm
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they work alright and for old buggers like me it takes a lot less effort to get a whole lot of action... We used them on some lighter jigging rods this past weekend and had the lions share of fish verses those using our normal mechanical jigs.... ------------- www.synit.co.nz |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2013 at 9:36pm
http://www.jigtackle.com/index.php?cPath=29" rel="nofollow - http://www.jigtackle.com/index.php?cPath=29 and free shipping, normally less than a week ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: TCG
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2013 at 11:16pm
| Cheers Kaveman, Sam sussed me out with the same website, will definitely get a few. Are you planning to stock any simmilar? |
Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2013 at 6:58am
| Would you use the use the larger ones on you normal jig setup for kingies? |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2013 at 7:06am
Larger Searides dont come with hook setup, they are a true slow pitch jig and yes they are good on kingfish especially in shallow water ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Mr Plastic
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2013 at 7:57am
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I got mine from plat. $18 odd each inc postage same price as the slow knuckles. ------------- Synit Prototype bender |
Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2013 at 6:30pm
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Looks like longer softer action rods are needed, Damn more spend. The last couple of years up Whiti, the kings have been really shy on normal jigs, hopefully something new may entice the bite. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Men In Black
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2013 at 6:56pm
The Slow Pitch jigs are Kingfish McNuggets ------------- www.synit.co.nz |
Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2013 at 5:29pm
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Hey fellas if I get these jigs in appropriate weights any reason I can't use my existing jigging gear? ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2013 at 6:08pm
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I find it the newer jig-style snapper rods very good for this style of fishing i.e. sensitive, carbon, shorter than soft bait style |
Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2013 at 9:10pm
You can but I don't think you will get the most out of the jig. I would go much heavier in slow pitch than a rod is designed for if its a mechanical jigging rod. For example my JM power spell 100g is great for mechanical jigging but the tip is too firm for the slower style of slow pitch. I might try 150g or 200g slow pitch with this rod to see how it goes But my 100g inchiku/slow pitch rod is much softer in the tip to work the very subtle movements you may give the jig to dance, but loads up nicely when the fish smashes the jig |
Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2013 at 10:40pm
Hey FA thanks for that gotta give this a go. Also got a diawa slow jig rod which should cover the lighter weights & recently bought a Smiths AMJ 54H in spin so will play around with the bigger jigs see what works. Really enjoy mech jigging but can see how slow pitch could be a god send after several hours of bustin my nuts & arms & shoulders.   ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2013 at 11:49pm
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It is interesting to see in the Japanese videos how they don't use the rods at all to fight the fish. After all these years of being taught that the rod does the work and the reel is there to store the line, they turn the tables and the rod does no work besides the movement of the jig to entice the fish.
If the reels and rods weren't made by the same companies, I would have thought it was a sales pitch. You now pay heaps for a noodle rod with a foldaway tip, a reel with a ton of drag and then you turn the drag right down and try to gently land a fish lip-hooked on small hooks!
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 2:04am
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very true Keith, but i reckon you will find having the rod do the job of catching, makes life a lot easier... even just bottom bounce with a firm rod was hard work, and soft baiting is easier but needs a lot of concentration... any system always works better with the right gear, trouble is you have to convince yourself first its worth the extra cash, so you start with a substitute, catch a few then go purchase the right gear and thoroughly enjoy the experience... that fighting the fish on the reel sounds interesting though, could be hard to change over to what ive always done as well... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Men In Black
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 8:44am
We had a session with the Slow Pitch jigs a week back and did very well on the Kingfish around Mayor Island. We had both conventional jigging rods and specialist Slow Pitch rods in use. Unless you are prepared to use the slow pitch rods like they do in Japan the rod no matter how good runs the risk of being broken. That said I am designing a blank that can be used for Slow Pitch jigs more in line with fighting from the hip or Gimbal. The rod needs to be longer than a conventional jigging rod of 5' to 5'3" more like 5'5" to 5'8" to get the correct pitch movement and action in the jig. Fold away tips are all good but if you slow the video of a specialists slow pitch rod down you will notice the rod gets a parabolic wave about 800mm to 1mtr from the tip, you simply won't get that with a conventional jig rod or by soften just the tip. This rhythmic wave is imparting the action into the jig,hence why the Japanese use these rods purely to move the jig rather than fighting the fish as the rod doesn't have the raw power to do so.... I should have a prototype
rod designed and tested in the new year in Aussie that can be used more in line with how we would normally fight using the rod for leverage...
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Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 9:27am
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Will be interested to see the final outcome in action Graeme. Hopefully you can export the final product back to Japan for them to land their Amberjack. |
Posted By: Men In Black
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2013 at 10:00am
 if there is one thing I've learnt doing this it's you will never change the mind sets overseas of unless they came up with the idea first.... still we will have a crack at it......I really like the concept behind the slow Pitch jigs as they have a lot of action for minimum energy input... great when you get to my ageI may even end up using a new technology mandrel for these rods if there is enough interest but the rod itself will be very similar to the Mantis rod technology ------------- www.synit.co.nz |
Posted By: rockz
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2013 at 9:02pm
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what's everyone using reel-wise on these rods? baitcasters? (low profile or drum) or small overheads like trinis etc. 20lb braid the go? cheers in advance
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Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2013 at 9:28pm
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im using an accurate bx400xn with the short arm and t bar. Found the short arm easier that the long arm for these jigs. put a topshot of thin 20lb braid on mine for the snapper and daiwa pe4 for the kings |
Posted By: ShaunQ
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 4:26pm
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Interesting thread going here, I'm mostly a saltwater fly tier but have just finished tying some flies to ride alongside metal jigs, slow pitch style, for my Mum and Brother for xmas. Be good to get some feedback good or bad on them from you guys actually using slow pitch jigs as I did very little research into the jig and rigging side of it before starting these, mostly just looking at images of whats currently on the market. A sweet little half dozen... 30g...   45g...   56g...   Any input would be great as I'm sure if the above ones work I'll have a few requests for more :) ------------- http://www.shaunquinlan.com" rel="nofollow - www.shaunquinlan.com |
Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 4:43pm
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They look great! It'll be fascinating to see how they go on the red brigade. |
Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 4:48pm
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they look good alright. great to see you thinking outside the box |
Posted By: leadchucker
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 4:55pm
| I like the extra length you have given the line there, they look great. |
Posted By: ShaunQ
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 5:05pm
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Thanks I've tied them pretty durable and most of them have rubber legs included, they're all tied on 35mm articulated shanks so the hook moves freely from the shank that the fly is tied on. Mum lives and fishes out of Waihi Beach so the weights should be about right for drifting around out there, should do well on the snappers! I'll post a few pics if they start landing fish :) ------------- http://www.shaunquinlan.com" rel="nofollow - www.shaunquinlan.com |
Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 6:38pm
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Nice , I hope someone puts as much thought into my Xmas pressy . Bet they work a ****ing treat |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 8:02pm
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Look great but i would be a bit worried about extra length and tangling around mainline. Give them a trial and let us know how you get on ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: ShaunQ
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 9:01pm
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Thanks Kaveman, it was you're jigs that inspired and gave me the idea :) The second to last one posted above was tied first and it seemed short at the time, so I gave the others extra length. Would that one be about right or shorter still? Is length of the assist cord/jig size more important or is it more to do where the hook lies? ------------- http://www.shaunquinlan.com" rel="nofollow - www.shaunquinlan.com |
Posted By: leadchucker
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 9:03pm
Should go well on the back of the bar right nowat about 15m, lots of fellas are driving right past the magic depth and heading out too far.
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Posted By: leadchucker
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 9:05pm
I'm a bit novice at this slow jigging so will see what rolls out here with that. (and I know Kaveman is the Guru
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 9:09pm
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Length is ok if you dont jig aggressively but with your single hook setup, you should be fine(double hook rig is very different). The feathers when wet will become very small compared to how they look now which is good. The zuker feather lures are a fish slaying machine ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: ShaunQ
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2013 at 10:17pm
Must be December aleady :) Thanks for the info hope you guys have good sea and weather for the summer break at the beach. I fly out to Brisbane tomorrow, await the arrival of my boat on a truck, then head on up the coast to townsville to settle in there for 2014, cant wait to get out on the water. Cheers for the info Kaveman guess I'll just have to see how they go, mum fishes out of a kayak mostly although she has a boat, usually has a rod cast out the back and then actively fishes another forward so best to put the slow jig on the back rod when drifting? The feathers do slim out a lot but look awesome in the water, especially the barred black and white hard to describe but they give the fly a great movement. The fly should retain its bulk the way Ive tied it with a thick layer of dubbing tied in first then bucktail to support and pop the feathers out, the purple and tan up the top of them are artic fox tail which also has a lot of movement in the water. All should add up to something a snapper will happily dine on :) ------------- http://www.shaunquinlan.com" rel="nofollow - www.shaunquinlan.com |
Posted By: Sufishent
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 7:17am
Any more suggestions/comments on this? ------------- You can never have enough fishing tackle |
Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 8:31am
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Had my first attempt with the Shimano free fall jig yesterday. Bloody couta stole me hooks first drop. Kids were nailing small kings on normal long jigs and couta but managed to keep there hooks.. The rod I'm using is a jm 100 acid, The water was so clear I could watch the jig action well down, They definitely dance all over the place. and the reel is a avet sxj ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: leadchucker
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 9:24am
Shimano Curado L/P Baitcaster. 15 - 20lb. Narrow bodied Trinidads are the bomb too.
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 9:48am
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heaps of options on reels, diawa lexa300 HS-P, sx Avet or raptor, ocea jigger 1500 or 2000, small trini's, JM PE3 (heavy option) I find the overhead is lots easier to use than spin( maybe just me though)  worksux.... Dave, heaps of rats down our way too and coutta everywhere  ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 11:00am
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Hey Kev, you got any ready made replacement hooks ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 1:19pm
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Sorry Dave but havent been able to get them made yet. Been a bit busy with my real job. Will get onto it though ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 4:08pm
Shimano Trinidad 10 or 12A Shimano Calcutta 200, 300 or 400 D ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: rockz
Date Posted: 15 Dec 2013 at 8:56pm
cheers for the info guys, looks like more spend...
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Posted By: loodafish
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 11:37pm
I thought you would stick to Penn gear mate haha |
Posted By: rockz
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2013 at 9:11pm
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yeah well we can't all be managers eh
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Posted By: Stefan
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2013 at 7:26am
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I'm going to opt for spinning gear initially especially for the lighter jigs. Figure its easier to drop the lighter lures down with the bail arm open. Also will be using 6 lb for the exact same reason, lighter line should give the lure more action. I would have thought 20 lb is over kill especially when braid over tests so much… All that said I haven't built my rod for this yet and have not even tried one of these jigs so I might be talking boll@cks….
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 28 Dec 2013 at 8:12am
Seen some of the new penn gear ? Might just have to eat those words.. ------------- 2009 and 2010 BERKLEY SOFTBAIT COMP CHAMPS,Runner up 2013 ( solo),winner 2013/14 longest kingfish nz fishing competition |
Posted By: Garry 23041
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2014 at 7:13am
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They turned Harley Davidson around they can turn Penn around to........ But will they?
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Posted By: Rotate
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2014 at 5:04pm
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bit of a thread revive. been looking into this technique/style of fishing.love the action in working the lure etc.i like being active.but dont overly like the hooking up and pointing rod to fish and winching.i see what graeme is saying about the rod style creating the action and hence it does not have the lifting power to work fish up conventionally.kevin has mentioned a black hole rod that can manage both.have you had any more progress graeme?or anyone else for that matter. i have one of the shimano butterfly jigs i think its called.a-symetric design so it flutters on the drop.only used it a couple of times on jitterbug rod and lost hooks to coutta.are these a slow pitch jig?look rather similar but with out have a slowpitch jig to compare with am not certain.
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Posted By: Men In Black
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2014 at 5:40pm
Hi Zebbie, Yes we have the Bay Action SPM, SPH and SPXH which can all be used from under the arm to put lift on the fish instead of having to point the rod at the fish and using the reel to do all the work. Here's a thread from Japanese Angler Secrets website where one of our Slow Pitch rods was being used in Aussie to pull big cod out of 250mtrs.
http://www.anglers-secrets.com/bar-cod-out-of-the-depth-australia/" rel="nofollow - http://www.anglers-secrets.com/bar-cod-out-of-the-depth-australia/ ------------- www.synit.co.nz |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2014 at 8:14pm
Looking good Graeme, i knew you would look outside the square and build a rod to suit this style of jigging------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 9:47pm
Hi Kaveman. What rod would you put an oj2000 on for slow pitch jigging? Ive got a 2000p nr doing bugger all. Pretty keen to give the slow pitch a decent shot.... just a little unsure on rods at the mo. ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Stonefish
Date Posted: 26 Jun 2014 at 10:10pm
| Another question, are you supposed to use swivels above the jig? I've been using the daiwa slow knuckle jigs without a swivel and have found that my braid has become quite twisted. |
Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 7:30am
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Personally I don't use swivels at all stonefish, however after a few drops let your lure hang in the air a bit it should untwist the line if it is excessive, or when changing out lures, run your hand down along the last few meters to the end to untwist that - should be plenty to untwist the braid. 1Daz - MIB certainly has some great rods, I have some, you can also look at the new jig style rods around basically you're looking for a relatively springy action carbon rod for lightweight jigging - tough decisions ay  |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 8:27am
Hi Darren.... not alot of choice here in NZ yet but Synit have a new model out(that new i havent seen them yet). also available is the Black Hole Pioneer B66 H2 MF on Trade Me. This rod is used normally where you use the rod and reel together not like most slow pitch rods where you aim the rod at the fish and use mostly the reels drag ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Mahiman
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 4:47pm
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Hi Everyone, To add to the Mix we have our new Ocean Angler Gravity Series, Slow Pitch rod arriving in three weeks,
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Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 27 Jun 2014 at 10:03pm
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Where can we go to see one when they come out Paul? Any you tube vids of them in action yet? ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Mahiman
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 12:10pm
Hi give me a call in 3 weeks and I will show you one 021 227 9584
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Posted By: loodafish
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2014 at 5:38pm
| Rod and Reel in Newmarket have the Yamaga Blanks slow pitch rods in stock, they also have heaps of slow pitch jigs and rigging gear if anyone wants to have a look and get some info |
Posted By: U357
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2014 at 11:59am
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Completely confused about what rod to use/get now, would like a JM Sabre....but tip not soft enough???? also fish off a ski, so have to think about point loading at the ski to retrieve the fish. Have been using cheap and nasty rods with success with this style of fishing ------------- 404. That’s an error. That’s all we know. |
Posted By: Starnsy
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2014 at 2:12pm
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The NS Pioneer can take a bit of pressure.. Would still stick well clear of anything near a high stick though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBLw94lV0oE" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBLw94lV0oE ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2014 at 3:32pm
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I have that rod Starnsy and it can handle a bit of pressure for sure, also Graeme from Synit has a new model out All depends on depth and weight of jigs you are using and what species you are chasing. No good getting a light inshore model to chase kingies ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Starnsy
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2014 at 3:36pm
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Yep, I have the Synit Bay Action SPM and its no slouch either, thats for sure ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Men In Black
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2014 at 3:54pm
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We have two models up from the SPM being the SPH and SPXH. If you're planning on regularly chasing Kingies on slow jigs the SPH or SPXH would be the recommended rod in the Synit line up. The SPH is a 110-300g, Max 350g, PE1.5-PE3, Fight Drag 3-7kg Max 10kg from under the arm, The SPXH 150-350g, Max 400g, PE2-PE4, Fight Drag 3-9kg, Max 12kg from under the arm, as tested on Japanese Angler Secrets in Australia by Ben in 250mtrs with a 340g Slow Pitch jig.
http://www.anglers-secrets.com/bar-cod-out-of-the-depth-australia/" rel="nofollow - http://www.anglers-secrets.com/bar-cod-out-of-the-depth-australia/ ------------- www.synit.co.nz |
Posted By: U357
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2014 at 5:09pm
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What size hooks should I use on 80/100 grams jigs? just thinking about the 1/0s on the bottom ships etc......seem to do the trick???? ------------- 404. That’s an error. That’s all we know. |