Terminal connection Carpenter BF
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Topic: Terminal connection Carpenter BF
Posted By: PE Pete
Subject: Terminal connection Carpenter BF
Date Posted: 06 Nov 2013 at 11:29pm
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Hey fellas best way to connect Carpenter Bluefish stick bait & why?? Cheers in advance Pete ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 4:55am
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Tie the lure direct to the trace with a uni....Loop it around Twice...then tie knot....it swims better. All other lures i use a NT swivel and split ring but not carpenters.
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Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 12:50pm
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I use a jigstar swivel and grommet with the extra ring cut off and a 400lb split ring for All my stickbaits, Carpenters included. Mainly as it allows me to swap lures fast with ease. The Grommet makes for a safe secure connection to you trace. ------------- http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">  http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">www.boulderguiding.co.nz |
Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 1:11pm
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What Boulder said but to add to it as well when travelling we like to take our baits off the rod so these are not bashing around against the rod. Also like the swivels incase line twist happens to come into play. ------------- www.assassinsportsfishing.com www.facebook.com/assassinjigteam |
Posted By: YeeHaa
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 1:28pm
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For best action and how the man himself fishes his lures....(Mr Konishi) chain knot to owner solid size 5, 250lb split ring then lure easy to change lure strong knot not too much weight on lure and best action!!!!!!!! -------------   WWW.YEEHAA.CO.NZ (09)5705058 30 Jellicoe Road Panmure |
Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 1:38pm
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Hey Yeehaa thats interesting in regards to the Chain Knot. What is Mr K's reason for this? Does this act as resistance/spring to take up shock? ------------- www.assassinsportsfishing.com www.facebook.com/assassinjigteam |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 3:50pm
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Direct to lure , through twice then a 4 or 5 turn uni , cut tag leaving about 30mm, this is how I saw Mr K do it.I have also seem him use a swivel and split ring, so whatever gets the hair in your neck to stand up when its swimming. ------------- Live Bait , the Lance Armstrong of catching KINGFISH |
Posted By: YeeHaa
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 4:09pm
"easy to change lure strong knot not too much weight on lure and best action!!!!!!!!"  All of the above is good choices but like stellajigger said what ever works for you! this is what we have learnt from him and works really well for us so thats what we do ------------- WWW.YEEHAA.CO.NZ (09)5705058 30 Jellicoe Road Panmure |
KingySlayer wrote:Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 4:24pm
sounds interesting boulder  ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 9:44pm
Get some Velcro rod straps bro and strap the lure to the rod blank, works mint... ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 9:56pm
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Of late I have been using a big rubber band through 2 hooks of the bottom treble down around the reel handle to safely control my lures while on the boat. Seems to work well and keeps all the metal bits away from the rod while the rubber band keeps some tension on. ------------- http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz"> http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">www.boulderguiding.co.nz |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 10:08pm
http://s564.photobucket.com/user/SamMary1/media/luretoleader.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> Here's an AG Chain tied by Konishi san, killing the action was the intention in this approach; too wild and the leader is continually getting hooked. The AG Chain is a Fluorocarbon knot, so I don't understand using it on mono leaders? And when mentioned to one of Konishi's lure testers he mentioned never seeing Kenji using the chain... Uni knot or Jansik, something where you can double loop the leader first as SJ mentioned... Bait's with a lot of movement will chew through a connection with a single loop. Tying direct has it's advantages but when you form the loop in the wire you can mark the inside or outside of the loop with the tool used creating rough spots... For the Bluefish, Uni knot looped through twice and seated nice to a NT 1/0 Power Swivel with a #10 Hyperwire making the connection to the lure. The Bluefish has a lot more volume than say the BC-y so will carry the swivel connection fine and still swim well. Trying different connections and formulating your own conclusions is the best method. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 10:42pm
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Good on ya guys really appreciate your input, All have been thanked! Will report back on method/s used & results Cheers Pete ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 10:53pm
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Sam......" Uni knot looped through twice and seated nice to a NT 1/0 Power Swivel with a #10 Hyperwire making the connection to the lure. The Bluefish has a lot more volume than say the BC-y so will carry the swivel connection fine and still swim well." Thats what i use all the time.......just a 9mm sometimes. I remember going to a stickbait night at yeeha a long time ago and they poo poed using a swivel and split ring saying it weighed down the line and more likely to catch on itself........whats the diff with using a solid ring compared to a small NT 1/0 swivel in weight? I have seen arron fish carpenters of all sizes with his carpenter rod and stella 18000 and he ties direct and he gets them to swim really nice(esp the jack mac one)..Mind you he is a self confessed addicted caster  .That boy can cast all day long and be on another planet!!!!!...using a nt 1/0 and split ring I dont get mine to swim as well......probably my poo technique but i get other lures to swim really well....like the oceas/starwalkers/Cb one zeros and another lure i choose not to mention.I guess just experiment pete......Go down to the beach on a flat day and have a practise with casting and working your baits and see what works for you...Esp with that rod you have(you dont know how it will work your carpenters)....you never know you might get smashed LOL. I noticed the rod tip was quite stiff on arrons Carpenter blue chaser(which goes against theory)....maybe that was having a big influence....I dont know.......My tip was softer and i was casting the blue fish 120 gram...Let us know which way you go pete
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Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 07 Nov 2013 at 11:27pm
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Yeah will do Jon. Actually gonna have a practise run next weekend out of Whangamata so gonna play around with different connections & probably compare Sustain v Stella on new Ocea stick bait rod. Will certainly report back mate. Oh by the way my mate has totally committed to far north trip despite recent bad news. Pete ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 2:32am
Sounds like a plan......I admire your mate....Good on him ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 5:14am
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Definitely your poo technique LBD... When you say you can't swim them as well, is this using his set up with the swivel connection? Or your own setup... You did touch on each rod working lures differently. When you tie directly to the lure the response is better, the first initial dip under the water is not affected or slowed by the extra links in the connection. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 7:30am
Yeah he's a top bloke & very committed to the sport. ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 8:04pm
nice one sam ....I was joking....Im not that bad....Carpenters are renowned for being tricky to swim..Needing good technique...It was probably my rod not being suited mate.The action definitely didnt snake very well.....If i had to describe it. I can fish all my other lures ok but that rod was not a dedicated stickbait rod.....thats for sure. I think i tried it with my synit topshot lalandi too.....and not so good with swivel/split ring...aaron would remember. I will try it again soon! but to be honest i prefer other lures......Yours being one of them
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Posted By: harry mike
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2013 at 9:54pm
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how about the studio ocean mark ocean snaps? ------------- Fresh waters for drinking, Saltwaters for fishing. |
Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2013 at 8:58am
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Hey Harry just had a look at Ocean Mark snaps but not used them before so dunno. From above comments I might tie hard to the lure first have a few casts see what the action looks like in that mode then maybe try a solid/split ring setup. See how much difference it makes! ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: JoshW
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2013 at 11:17am
| Looping through twice with a uni seems to be popular but has anyone actually tested it? Every time I tried it was weaker than going through once. I like a San diego jam knot once through tied snug with a v.short piece of chaff tube. It's easier to tie, stronger and neater than most other terminal knots |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 09 Nov 2013 at 8:19pm
Sometimes the Uni when looped twice won't sit nice, but if you work it you can get it sitting real nice. I haven't found any difference in knot strength... I do find myself using knots that loop twice or three times now, Jansik Special or Worlds Fair Knot are good knots that use multiple loops, the Worlds Fair is nice and compact. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: JoshW
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2013 at 4:47am
| Sweet, thats worlds fair is different. yea I did some testing a while back ( methods were pretty crude) but it seemed the twice through uni (sitting right) would tighten up on itself and basically pull itself apart right at the centre wrap around the eye, wasn't such an issue with single through or with other twice through knots that don't tighten on themselves; chain, bimini, benjanmin etc... |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2013 at 8:25am
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In the past I just cut off the grommet from a solid ring. Split ring through the grommet and uni onto grommet. I machined the grommet down slightly so it would fit through the top guide so I could keep the leader the length I wanted and save on retying all the time when packing down gear and washing down. But yeah those super sensitive stickbaits will swim easier when tied straight to. If so, I'd go a small chain knot as well as uni will slice through itself with enough drag and the super supple casting leader won't be the best on any chaffage on the connection. ------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2013 at 7:14pm
I wonder if a bog gob of spit might help the line close up smoothly when going through twice sam? I would have thought all the line would slip into place? Plenty of options for you play with here pete
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Posted By: harry mike
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2013 at 7:18pm
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i now use a miller knot to a size 6 ocean snap, the miller knot is so strong! ------------- Fresh waters for drinking, Saltwaters for fishing. |
Posted By: sid fishus
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2013 at 6:59am
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definitely make sure the lure is connected somehow to the trace. it doesn't cast or come back to you when you turn the handle otherwise. ------------- I always tell the truth about things that never happened |
Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2013 at 6:57pm
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Hey Sid ur input will no doubt prove invaluable. Haha on ya mate!! ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: Aaron32987
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2013 at 5:33pm
when you fish landbased most of the time you get a LOT of casting practice cos there ain't a lot of fish turning up. Many many days of casting all day without a sign. Hones the technique...
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