Casting braid
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Category: Saltwater Fishing
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Printed Date: 09 Jun 2026 at 8:57pm
Topic: Casting braid
Posted By: jonocoogee
Subject: Casting braid
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 9:42pm
I know this comes up all the time but thought I would start a new tread anyways. After some 80lb braid to spool up in time for topwater. Need about 250-300m, don't wanna break the bank but maybe around the $25 per 100m range. Anyone got something good lying round or know of anything worth a go.
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Posted By: ET487
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2013 at 9:55pm
Mate for $10 more you can buy 300 yard JB Hollow casting braid 60, 80 0r 100lb. Someone one here sells them. I check and let you know. I use 60 and it cast like a dream.
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Posted By: Falco
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 8:12am
saffayakker wrote:
Mate for $10 more you can buy 300 yard JB Hollow casting braid 60, 80 0r 100lb. Someone one here sells them. I check and let you know. I use 60 and it cast like a dream.
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Good advice,with the JB I am sure that the 100lb is actually thinner than the 80lb so bare that in mind if you go heavier than 60lb.
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Posted By: jonocoogee
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 8:45am
all good, sounds like the go, now just to find this JB supplier
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Posted By: ET487
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 10:30am
I bought from "reeldeal"from here. Not sure if he have anymore. The 60lb breaks at 90lb and i have caught plenty big GT's with it and no issues. Nothing wrong if you want to go 100lb though.
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Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 12:53pm
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Steve Angus aka Swordfishsteve has some JB hollow
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Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 1:04pm
Jono bro. One of the boys is keen to do an order and so am I for Kels top water setup. I was thinking Torro Tamer for us but JB will do just fine as well. If you really want this stuff then let me know.
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Posted By: TIN TUB
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 1:14pm
last weekend's fish was on the 60lb Jb Jono, mint as, smooth as babies bits. for the extra there is a more that $10 bucks in it's performance
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Posted By: Pico
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 2:44pm
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This place sells JB hollow, think it might be run by someone on here http://www.jigsdirect.com/eMerchantPro/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=12&idproduct=83" rel="nofollow - http://www.jigsdirect.com/eMerchantPro/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=12&idproduct=83 I got mine through swordfish steve, I went for 100lb over 80 as the 100lb is thinner.
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Posted By: Telecaster
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 3:36pm
Can you splice the leader inside the JB hollow casting braid? Like you do with gamefishing etc? Might make it slip thru the guides nicely. . .
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 3:45pm
Telecaster wrote:
Can you splice the leader inside the JB hollow casting braid? Like you do with gamefishing etc? Might make it slip thru the guides nicely. . .
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Yes you can Telecaster but it must be served properly so mono doesnt come out of hollow
i use JB hollow for all my windon leaders as well. Great stuff hollow braid
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Posted By: Telecaster
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 4:13pm
Do you rough the leader up with sandpaper or cut some knicks into it like barbs or something?Could you use an adhesive maybe?
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Posted By: muchalls
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 7:44pm
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I bought a spool of 80 lb, still to,put it on, i think the trace should be rounded at the tip with fine grade wet & dry, so it goes into the braid smoothly. I think you only need bind (serve) the end of the braid to prevent it fraying and allow it to slip smoothly though the guides. Try threading a length of a metre or so, no serve, and see how strongly it binds under pressure.
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 7:55pm
Telecaster wrote:
Do you rough the leader up with sandpaper or cut some knicks into it like barbs or something?Could you use an adhesive maybe?
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You can do that BUT any insertion of mono/flurocarbon into hollow braid MUST be served otherwise the mono can pull out.
I have been thinking of doing a "how to" on building windons and casting topshots so will get onto to it asap. There is some great vids on youtube, a quick search should find plenty of answers although some are not that great.( the igfa one i have seen on building windons is )
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Posted By: muchalls
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 8:24pm
"I have been thinking of doing a "how to" on building windons and casting topshots so will get onto to it asap."
"Serve" binding technique please!
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Posted By: Nomad
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 9:26pm
Jono I have a bulk spool of 100lb hollow JB that I can sort you out a spool
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Posted By: jonocoogee
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 9:36pm
Done!!!
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2013 at 9:40pm
muchalls wrote:
"I have been thinking of doing a "how to" on building windons and casting topshots so will get onto to it asap."
"Serve" binding technique please! |
Not mine but take a look at this for starters
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Posted By: The Badger
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2013 at 8:12am
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Suggest you guts obtain a Power Pro Hollow Ace splicing kit from either Melton's or Tackle Direct. About $80 US. Comes with everything you need to splice top shots and instructional DVD. I've been splicing my top water leaders now for a while. Cast like a dream. Practically indestructible. Whipping the end does nothing to hold it together, it simply stops the braid from unravelling at the end. Using JB 100lb hollow with 100lb Suffix leader. I only insert the leader about 25cm into the braid and it will not pull out, even without whipping. Have tested it to destruction several times. Only problem with JB is that it gets harder to work with after it has been used a while. It is very hard to open up to let the splicing needle inside, hence why I'm only getting about 25cm in. Some other brands are much easier to work with. I have played with Power Pro Hollow Ace and TufLine Guides Choice. Both of these are much easier to splice with.
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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 03 Aug 2013 at 8:20pm
I have plenty of JB hollow in most popular sizes and spools. Let me know what you want. Even have the JB splicing kits too.
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Posted By: JoshW
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2013 at 12:54pm
The Badger wrote:
Only problem with JB is that it gets harder to work with after it has been used a while. It is very hard to open up to let the splicing needle inside, hence why I'm only getting about 25cm in. |
Myself and friends have had issues with splicing JB in the past but found most of these were down to poor splicing technique. If done incorrectly the braid will tighten up soon after beginning the splice and be impossible to continue.
May sound stupid but try pushing the braid over the needle, not the needle through the braid. Have done all manner of splice connections in #40 through 130#JB and never had any probs since doing this, no matter how well used the braid is.
if it's not binding but just tight try running a smaller needle without anything attached up through the braid to loosen it before performing the splice
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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2013 at 1:44pm
Why would you want 100lb when the JB 60 hollow abs is 90lbs? Kinda of hardcase that Chris is the NZ agent and yet most people order it from overseas.
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Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2013 at 2:05pm
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Out of curiousity how do you know how much Chris W sells? How do you know how much is purchased from overseas? and doesnt Swordfish steve also sell it in NZ?
The ratioanle for JB 100 over 80 might be spool capacity with the JB 100 having a smaller diameter 0.457 for 80 where as 0.433 for the 100.
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Posted By: alan syme
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2013 at 8:54pm
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jb hollow is the shizzy, got my 100lb from chris wong on here at bcs enterprises the 100lb jb hollow is thinner diameter than the 80lb other brand I had previously and it casts really well. its really good stuff.
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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2013 at 9:59pm
Because my aunty is the Oracle Jay's son.
Just thinking 60kg braid is a bit OTT for these applications, isn't it?
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Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2013 at 10:57pm
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Auntie Ohhhhhh.
I dont know what application Johno has in mind?
Personally speaking I have a few different rigs for different jobs. From what I gather a lot of acomplished anglers who regularly target big fish use P.E 10, but I do hear what ya saying regarding the merits of using a line with a breaking strain well above what the rod and reel can handle.
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Posted By: TOSF
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 1:50am
One of the main factors is durability, casting day in day out thin line wears out, 60 and 100ilb JB is amazing braid and lasts for a long long time, if you get a bad section in the braid then splice a new section on, do not throw away the rest of the line, splicing is easy as Josh W says. We use it for top water, jigging and backing on all our game reels, making small wind on leaders and end connections on our saltwater fly lines, 60 and 100lb covers everything but its also nice to have a bit of 130lb JB lying around so you can splice it into the 60 or 100lb braid if you want to use a 130lb topshot.
Here is a little trick for you, when splicing mono into the braid, instead of whippng the end down with waxed floss or braid use the tag end of the 60 or 100, do one half hitch with tag end on the mono then do alternate half hitches back down the braid pulling tight (about 8) then finish off the knot with a finishing knot as you would do with a bimini twist, rub some glue into the knot and done, will last for a long time, small compact knot (about 10mm long). We use this on finishing our splices on our backing to our game reels, and connections on our fly lines and where ever we splice mono into 100lb braid or less, been using it on our fly lines for a while now and have not had to replace a connection splice due to this failing and that says a lot if you saw my casting
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Posted By: The Badger
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2013 at 10:41am
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Thanks for the tip's guy's. Very helpful. I've been using hollow braid for a couple of years now and am convinced it is the way to go. Splicing produces the best braid to leader connection possible. 100% knot strength. Awesome for casting and much easier than tying FG or PR knots. That whipping technique Tony mentioned above is even simpler again. Also, the ability to top shot if you happen to loose some braid is another huge avantage over solid braid. I'm really surprised the jigging fraternity haven't cottoned onto it quite as much. One thing that is surprising is the lack of uptake in NZ of Hollow Braid. Very few retailers / Distributors stock it. I am told that Composite Developments are actually dropping the Tuf Line Guides Choice from their product range. Why on earth Douglas Johnson doesn't distribute the Power Pro Hollow Ace here is a mystery to me. It is only marginally earer than the normal Power Pro overseas. And the retailers wonder why so many fishos buy tackle off overseas internet retailers.
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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2013 at 4:13pm
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I have used and enthused over JB Hollow for years now. Like Badger says, difficult to understand why the slow uptake of JB braid, even the solid is very good. There is something about old school US made braid that keeps it utterly reliable which is the most anyone could ask for. JB100 hollow is a 12 carrier braid whereas the 80lb hollow is 16 carrier. This is the reason why 80lb is slightly thicker than 100lb hollow and is easier to splice than any of the 12 carrier hollow braids. 80lb hollow is also more expensive. The main reason why it is not available through NZ retailers is because US retailers are buying directly from JB and are happy with small profit margins. NZ retailers simply cannot compete.
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Posted By: JoshW
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 1:12am
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Chris is it also correct that the 80lb jb has a higher actual breaking strain than the 100lb? Or am I mistaken?
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 07 Aug 2013 at 7:58am
Correct Josh, depending on batches JB 80 hollow tests anywhere from 120-140lb BS while 100lb JB normally tests under 120lb BS
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