Sharpening the Axe on Snapper Cuts
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Topic: Sharpening the Axe on Snapper Cuts
Posted By: John H
Subject: Sharpening the Axe on Snapper Cuts
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 10:01pm
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A storm has been brewing for a while in snapper 1. The new stock assessment for Northland, Hauraki Gulf and Bay of Plenty was released today. It shows a modest rebuild in stocks but a big jump in what recreational fishers catch and keep. The snapper 1 commercial quota and the allowance for non-commercial fishers was last set in 1997. The last full review of snapper sustainability (stock assessment) was in 2000. Since then the assumption was that the snapper stock was doing Ok, especially in the Hauraki Gulf. Think again. The BOP stock is not looking good, though coming back from a very dark place. The rebuild in Northland and Hauraki Gulf has slowed. The ministry has told us that our recreational harvest could be 50% over the current allowance and they may need to review snapper management this year to pull that back. NZ Sport Fishing, with support from Legasea, has been represented at all the snapper assessment meetings over the last 18 months. Now its in the hands of the managers. Gut feeling...... is that rec fishers, who take 35% of the overall snapper 1 catch, are going to get 100% of the blame for the slow rebuild. So the ministry discussion document out next week will recommend cuts to our bag limits and possibly an increase in the minimum size. I can hear the axe on the sharpening wheel. |
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Posted By: Starnsy
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 10:14pm
| Needs to be an increase on minimum size regardless. 27cm is ludicrous. |
Posted By: CoastalStan
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 10:23pm
| The whole system is flawed. A commercial long liner can fill his quota in 4 weeks. Catch them all in November before they spawn. Catching the same quota after they spawn would make a huge difference in the stocks. Its not what we are catching its when. |
Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 10:25pm
| The commercial size limit is 25 cm and we know some methods like trawling kill plenty of smaller fish that get dumped. That's ludicrous. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 10:26pm
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here we go again, give nothing take plenty, time the Com's took a cut!!!! we are the ones that alway end up giving, if they the Com's are told to make a cut they take it to court and get it over turned if they can save 1/3 of the fish that they discard no one would have to take a cut!!! ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: dalgo
Date Posted: 14 Jun 2013 at 11:19pm
Exactly
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Lethal wrote:Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 6:53am
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my argument totally All commercial catch should go towards their quota. A snapper of 100mm long that is going to be crushed in the nets should be considered part of the commercial catch. Yes it worthless but they have caught it and killed it so its thiers |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 7:46am
| Increase min size to 330 (even that is to small ).Cut back where the com guys fish,have a closed season for 4 weeks at spawning time..problem solved ( this is for the com guys was well) |
Posted By: full sacks
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 8:11am
| ^^^ agree but maybe instead of closed season for spawning season a reduced limit for the peak period. but it comes back to the same old thing, ENFORCMENT for recreational and commercial bet there will be snapper washed up on the coromandel again this spring its just a joke. |
Posted By: Garry 23041
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 8:14am
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I agree. I have been fishing in 15meters at doubtless bay and while throwing back 15lb snapper that are spawning have a guy setting 2000 hooks beside me! Makes you feel hopeless. No one should be there over that time, me included. Since I moved here 11 years ago the Scallops are gone and so mostly are the crays. The bay snapper during spawning are nothing like they were even in that 11 years. I watched them hoover up all the scallops, I dive every week. Bigger fish yes and then we only need to take 6 if that..... Lots of fisheries don't allow take during spawning. Heck farmers don't send pregnant animals to the works.
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Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 8:17am
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The increase in take is through our sector, the private sector. There will be more and more pressure on "our quota" as more people go fishing. The commercial take is the same so and limitations will come from our quota. There is little doubt in my mind that there is a lot of waste in the commercial take that also needs to be addressed as I mentioned before but the extra take is our problem and will continue to be so. In previous similar post over the last 13 years I have been a member on here, I have suggested dividing the gulf up into say 4 sectors with a closed period for each sector once in every 4 years. One problem with a total closed period is the the related businesses in the closed period still need to stay open so a total closure is very damaging to them(charter operators and shops). Increase in size limits dont work as it leaves more smaller fish to be squashed to death by netters. I still back the closed system for certain areas of the gulf and strongly believe that all commercial (regardless of size) count towards the commercial quota but I also think that there should only be longlining allowed in the gulf. That said the pressure should be on us as rec fishers as it is the increase in our numbers that are creating the problem. Maybe we should be licensed and only allowed to fish a limited number of times throughout the year? Popcorn time again(although Im of coaching bowls for the next few hours) |
Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 8:27am
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But fish don't have young one at a time like land animals. Egg production on spawning grounds is usually not a factor in how many young survive.
Most fish are broadcast spawners, producing 1000s sometimes many millions of eggs for each juvenile that makes it to one year old. The simple idea, more eggs = more fish, is often wrong.
So protecting young fish from capture and waste needs more
attention. |
Posted By: Garry 23041
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 8:46am
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I am aware that commercial take has not gone up. However If quota numbers were to high in the first place they need to come down along with bag reductions for us. I believe there are to many fish taken by longline in our bay....way to many. And by us.
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Posted By: fish food
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 8:52am
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I'm all for a rec cut commercial have to take the same attitude. As for increasing minimum size, that'll just lead to upsizing, so legal fish now will get discarded, or thrown back injured to die. You catch your first 9 or however many snapper it will be then you stop fishing. |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 8:54am
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thats what i have said in previous threads,maf/mpi have no idea of our stocks.at the moment we are allowed 270mm and 9 fish,why not go to 330mm and 7 fish but lift commercial upto 280mm from the persent 250mm,surely taking fish at 250mm is doing real damage.ok the comms boys will need new nets to allow release of the smaller fish.what do they do with a 250mm fish?as 270mm does not feed the cat,i do not eat a lot of snapper,give catch away to the elderly but they do not get my gurnard ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: Redfinger
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 8:54am
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My two cents... Ban all trawling from and inside the following areas: Line between Hohoura and Karikari , Between Knuckle Pt and Berghans point Cape Brett to Nine pin Hauraki gulf completely - Channel island to Bream tail (head?) BOP Red Merc to Mayor Island. Biggest issue with above is enforcement - probably impossible just about unless gps tracking fitted to reg com boats? Rec Size limits - no issue with current ones really - arguably better on fishery to catch most numerous and smaller fish ie 30-40cm than 3,4,5,6kg fish? Rec Bag limits - do not have an issue reducing to 5-6 from present level of 9.
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Posted By: U357
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:01am
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Up sizing will work for the first year, after that fish numbers will be the same. Probably need to head down the same track as the aussies, minimum & maxium size limits and a season...... ------------- 404. That’s an error. That’s all we know. |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:11am
| http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10890672" rel="nofollow - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10890672 |
Posted By: fish-feeder
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:19am
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whoop there it is!
Next will be licences to fish,which will most likely make most just go and buy fish.
Fish free forever-secure the right (that sticker needs tui in it now)
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Posted By: U357
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:25am
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"Suggestions of a 10 per cent cut in commercial fishers' allowances have
been withdrawn, but they may have to accept increased monitoring and
reporting requirements as scientists seek better understanding of what's
happening to the fishery." So rec fishers are to wear all of the blame and take the cuts ------------- 404. That’s an error. That’s all we know. |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:29am
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Leave legal size at 27cm. If you fish the muddy 27-35 cm is the main size group.And my wife has said. "cant understand why you bring big fish home . These are the breeders" She thinks smaller fish are by far the best for the table. There are far wider changes that could be made to rebuild snapper without effecting anyone. |
Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:31am
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Another Herald article with a bit more detail http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10890660" rel="nofollow - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10890660 A couple of independent surveys of amateur harvest in 2011-12 estimated about 2400 t of snapper taken from the Hauraki Gulf alone. 45 t a week every on average. This is what is " scaring the horses" Licences are Not the solution IMO.
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:45am
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those figures re recreational catch john say one thing. SN 1 is becoming more and more a recreational area and should be treated as such. |
Posted By: onthedrop
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:51am
Solid two cents mate raising the size limit wont help i think its a pretty common misconception that keeping slightly larger fish is more sustainable. How about maximum size limit haha If the people in power gave two fs about conservation of our valuable resources it would be simple enough to put a gps on all rec boats fishing our waters maybe even observers (needed im my opinion) Our sea needs to be looked after not abused until those people that matter start to think like that or are replaced by people who think like that we are gonna see shyte like this continue. All new zealanders should have the right to go and get a feed lowering the bag limit is unfair on those who dont get out as much. |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:58am
| I personally think there is room for changes but it has to be for recreational fisherman and commercial.I agree with cirrus if there is anything to be concluded from the report its that recreational fishing is growing and worth a lot of $ to local business. And more importantly to the well being of each person who goes fishing you cannot put a price on that. As times change so should attitudes and any changes should be thought through very carefully without pointing any fingers and negotiated with relevant rec fishing bodies. |
Posted By: Garry 23041
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 10:04am
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Perhaps it's all moot anyway.. With projected world population increases there is almost no hope for these resources at present decline. Shakespear was alive only 300 years ago and there have been a few changes since... I can only speculate what the world will be like in 300 years but I would hate to be a fish species for one. World population increase is the "elephant in the room" and few governments will even discuss it. I am blown away by Population increase projections for Auckland alone. That said lets do what can for our little corner of the planet, it's still pretty verdant. |
Posted By: 1more
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 11:10am
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Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 11:11am
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I don't mind a cut in bag limit but comms have to take a cut as well. If not they can f*** off. ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: 1more
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 11:20am
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I have my own bag limit for snapper which is much less than the allowable nine. (Kahawai is better anyway, but thats another story). If the govt wants to cut the rec limit, the comms sector must also take a cut. When I hook a fish I can tell if its undersize, and therefore release it. I can also stop fishing when I have enough for the table. A trawl net doesn't have that option - it just kills everything, big, small or different. I'll remember all this stuff when I go fishing again on a Monday charter. |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 11:50am
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The Time has come to seriously and honestly address the state of our inshore fishery,especially Snapper in SN1 1/ Snapper from all over SN1 enter the gulf to spawn, & probably many from the B.O.P area Why is Trawling allowed in ,near or around spawning areas when we know many undersized fish are killed in the process. I gather that the ministry have never bothered to access numbers of discarded fish. Why no observers. on local boats to check this.And it needs to be numbers,not tonnage of discarded fish as small fish weigh less than adult fish . The potential tonnage may amaze. No inshore fishery on earth has survived ,let alone thrived with this sort of treatment. IMO trawling spawning grounds is 1890s frontier country attitude. 2/ Migration routes into & out of the gulf are well known. Why are these routes allowed to be fished with knowingly destructive commercial methods during pre & post spawn migration.Fish are easy game at spawn time 3/ Seem to be two main groups with vested interest in Sn1. First the industry. A small powerful group called the "Industry" .Now mainly comprised of large corporate companies that have over time largely replaced small traditional fishermen.Their focus is on wetfish tonnage. Attitude is Quotas must be maintained no matter what Secondly ,but not last the recreational group. Composed of people who fish and feed their families. Charter operators ,tourists who come here to fish etc. If figures were to become available i would suggest this second group would long term be more economically viable & sustainable than the first. I once heard a commercial fisherman say in the media, that we are in the sunset years of inshore commercial fishing. 4/ Many on here will say that fishing has improved in recent years. Is it not possible that the shift from bait fishing to SB and jig fishing could account for improved catch rates and bigger fish. This and not improved fish numbers could be the reason. 5/ Recently in Australia talked to two guys who as it turned out both fish. They both said "The Hauraki Gulf is the best fishing in the world" This made me think & appreciate what we have here.They and thousands of others like them like to come here to catch a few fish,have a few drinks and generally relax for a bit. This is a growth area and a vital & growing part of our economy. So its not only commercial tonnage that brings in income from SN1. Would also suggest that the dollar value of recreational fishing from locals alone is high. If we were to see greater decline in the fishing here how many would move elsewhere overseas and take their business & money with them. 6 /When and only when does the ministry take points 1 & 2 seriously and fish stocks continue to decline would i seriously consider a quota cut. 7/ Right now we have destructive fishing methods allowed to continue by industry,and condoned by the ministry. This is largely why we have low stock numbers. Cant blame the recreational sector for that. We have industry wanting to maintain or increase Quota & not firstly address the destruction they incur with outdated methods. This is an outrage ,and need be taken seriously for the benefit of all sectors 8/ On the other hand what about recreational waste. How many recreational fishers in the quest for 9 Snapper would discard gut hooked or small fish that would not survive, all in the process of catching the limit.Thus a limit of 9 fish in some cases would be maybe 15 or more fish killed to achieve that limit. Or having kept a limit or required number of fish continue to fish and release. Without correct handling some of these fish may well not survive as well. Sure the numbers of lost fish in this area could be high over a season. |
Posted By: Kezza 1
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 11:52am
| hey JohnH do you have the links to those studies? Studying towards fisheries management and would be interested in having a read, far more entertaining than exam study. |
Posted By: Mike.Thomas
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 11:58am
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I have just seen in the paper the government is proposing to cut recreational snapper catches by 40 percent and increase the size limit for us recreational fishers. So for Snapper 1, 5 fish per day and an increase in size limits, probably to 29 or 30cm. At the same time the ministry has RULED OUT any reduction in commercial take! All this based on the science that the snapper stock is no where near the minimum required for a sustainable fishery. Now this will not realy affect me I have a self imposed limit of 30cm and rarely take more than a few fish, but I have to say in the 25 years or so that I have fished the gulf the limit has changed for rec fishers (from memory) from 25cm and 20 snapper per day to 29cm and 5 fish per day, thats a 75 percent reduction and in all that time commercial quata and size limits have not come down by even 1 percent! Looks like we are being screwed again. All the best. Mike
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Posted By: Boz19
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 12:00pm
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Question - how much trawling for snapper actually takes place in the Hauraki Gulf? I thought most of the comm's in the area were long-liners and those that were using nets were targetting the likes of gurnard with Danish seines... Regardless, I'm not keen on giving up quota. It's always the rec fishos giving it up. Enough already. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 12:05pm
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Exactly how I feel about this Boz, If we give it up we wont ever get it back, Even if the fishery vastly improves. The commercial quota will go up tho. ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: mike555
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 12:52pm
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The comm take is the same and the rec catch has grown. I have seen this personally, more boats, more charters and better techniques. Cutting the rec limit just leaves each groups tonnage the same. I am all for a rec cut as too many people taking too many fish. |
Posted By: Mike.Thomas
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 12:54pm
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Remember guys, recreational fishers in Snapper 1 have already taken huge cuts to the individual bag limit and size restrictions, in fact if (and when) this latest cut is introduced the rec fishers will have taken a 75 percent cut and 2 increases in minimum size in barely 20 years, in the same twenty years the comms catch has not increased, but they never took any cuts or size increase to start with. The fact that the "Science" is paid for by the commercial industry is enough to refute all the "facts" and figures they come up with. The figure in my view are grossly overstated and misleading. I believe no matter what else happens the rec sector is about to get screwed over once again.
All the best. Mike |
Posted By: Wanda_Ra
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 12:57pm
Snapper catch limits to be reviewedUpdated 14 minutes ago Recreational fishers in the upper North Island could face cuts to the amount of snapper they are able to fish. The Ministry for Primary Industries says snapper numbers have increased by 70% in the past 15 to 25 years because of catch limits but the population is not rising fast enough and overfishing is occurring. A spokesperson for Primary Industries Minister Nathan Guy says consultation will begin within a fortnight on what do about catch limits. The possibility of either increasing or decreasing the catch will be on the table, the spokesperson says. WHAT THEY ACTUALLY MEAN IS DECREASING REC CATCH AND INCREASING COMM CATCH. ------------- If you think you are too small to make a difference,try sleeping with a mosquito in your tent. |
Posted By: Mark Edwards
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 12:59pm
| just get on facebook, message john key, and tell him that national will lose our votes if they push ahead with these changes, I don't mind cutting the rec take, but the commercial guys have to give something up as well and the policy setters need to know how we feel.. facebook or twitter is an easy way of making them know how you feel and its public.... |
Posted By: gmacx
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 12:59pm
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I wouldnt say were being screwed - the change to 5 is more than enough and agreed with the >30cm size fish. But yes is a shame the rec fishers arent changing if this is as you say.
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Posted By: Merlin the marlin
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 12:59pm
The commercial fishing industry do invest in quite a bit of money out of their own pockets into fisheries management and research for both the commercial and recreational fishing sectors . This isn't just the individual companies either, in fact it's a lot more than that where it start's with the employee's in the various commercial fisheries from the top right down to the bottom, and as an example it could mean a deep sea skipper, a deckhand or a factory hand even. What I mean by this is that for each ton of fish that is landed, each employee is levied a % of the catch where all of this money is accumulated and put into one big kitty which can be used for fisheries research and stock assessments-where you are paying top marine scientists to calculate fish biomass for that particular fishery ( acoustic survey's do not come cheap either) ,court costs and associated lawyer's bill's- it's pretty endless really. When I was a young deckhand scallop dredging out of Whitianga I used to pay a levy of $250 a week out of my own pocket-and to my knowledge this was used to pay for NIWA scientists to do scallop surveys and biomass/ population models for the Coromandal fishery at the time. Too charter the likes of the NIWA's research vessels " The Kaharoa or Tangaroa does not come cheap for the fishing industry or the Ministry of Fisheries. These levies help pay for these vessels to do acoustic surveys annually, too study the abundance of all important commercial and recreational species in the various fisheries including other aspects of biodiversity including fish distribution -where it gives the scientists an idea of just how many small fish are out there. Acoustic survey data and trawl surveys to monitor fish stocks provides reliable information on the abundance, age and size of all important fish species in New Zealand , which in turn enables these scientists to collect data of all species including fish weight, the sex, and the age of fish from all the different quota areas within the NZ EEZ. These trawling surveys are vital to find out the recruitment of the smaller fish before they migrate to their particular areas to spawn. Some recreational anglers might not like the fact about trawling and the like, but the fact of the matter is that some recreational fishing groups wouldn't have a **** show about finding out the age and growth rates of these fish, or distribution of them if it wasn't for the industry who helps pay for this is the first place. ------------- Support your local 81 Big red machine. HAMC |
Posted By: Olfart
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 1:05pm
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It would be interesting to run a poll on here to find out just what our average recreational take of snapper is over a given year. I know this would not cover all fishos in NZ but it would [given the membership on here] provide some sort of indication of how we might be directly [or not] affecting the snapper populations in given areas. I for one hardly ever take more than 5 fish per trip and often I would just take home a couple for the table and be satisfied with that. I cannot remember when I last brought home 9 snapper from a single session. I am sure there will many on here who can attest to the same outcomes. ------------- Semper in excreta sumus, solum profundum variat.... |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 1:11pm
| according to my dairy my catch rates peaked late 90s early 2000s. Have declined ever since,despite more hours input. |
Posted By: Mike.Thomas
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 1:16pm
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not sure those figures are very believable, 42 tons every week is a huge amount of fish! If the average size of fish was half a kilo that equates to 1333 fishermen taking a full limit every day of every week! Even at an average of a kilo each thats 666.6 limits every day in the gulf alone!
I once asked a NIWA fishery scientist, who I knew through a fresh water fishing club, how they came up with catch estimates. This is going back a few years so things may have changed, but the method was fly over the gulf on summer weekends only, count the boats, times by 3 anglers per boat on average, times by the average catch reported in ramp surveys! So no allowance for any boats seen that are not fishing, every boat regardless of size and number of occupants was deemed to be fishing and no consideration given to midweek or mid winter numbers taken. And he still insisted it was good science! All the best. Mike |
Posted By: herby
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 1:22pm
| where did you get 2400t per week from? |
Posted By: Wanda_Ra
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 1:22pm
I don't really have that much of an issue with a fishing licence. $30 once a year,buy some snapper or gurnard from the shops and see how much you get for $30. Oh, and maori would be exempt from needing a licence,the aboriginals are exempt in aussie.  Heres how it works in aussie. When fishing in NSW waters, both freshwater and saltwater, you are required by law to pay the NSW Recreational Fishing Fee and carry a receipt showing the payment of the fee. This applies when spear fishing, hand lining, hand gathering, trapping, bait collecting and prawn netting or when in possession of fishing gear in, on or adjacent to waters. Licence fees are -
Exemptions from the recreational fishing licenceYou are NOT required to pay the NSW recreational fishing fee to fish in fresh and salt water in NSW if you are:
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Posted By: Wanda_Ra
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 1:26pm
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Posted By: Mike.Thomas
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 1:33pm
Yes, I realised my miss reading of the quote  and have re-done the maths (and the post) above based on 42 ton a week! Still seams an awful lot of fishermen required to make it work!All the best. Mike
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 1:36pm
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Once at the ramp i had Niwa ask to measure the fish i had caught. They measured the fish and recorded the number of fish.Is this how rec catch is estimated.? If so & because this is infrequent it would not be an accurate way of estimating recreational catch . Depending whether this was done in November or mid winter the results would be very different |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 1:45pm
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short memories, the com's have never taken a cut in SN1, when the minister reduced there tonnage they took it to court and had it squashed, not once but twice... Recreational thought ok then we will give up part of our take to help build the stocks, so we gave 1/3 of our catch (15 snapper to 10) back to the minister, bloody good buggers we are, what happened? well the minister then gave the extra fish to the Com's and to rub salt into the wound gave us another 10% cut hence how we have a take of 9 snapper.... give them absolutely nothing, we have tried to help them before but we got kicked in the head... the Com's have to take a cut, no if's no but's it's time they did the right thing and show they really care.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: petethemeat
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 2:32pm
yeah, nah
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Posted By: Madmax
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 2:38pm
| I'm with you lethal.bugger the comms.. Out on the aucklands west coast where we do most of our fishing, the comms have raped it... I remember reading a couple a few years back that they had overfished their allowable quota on snapper by (I think.. 6,000 tonne) because of the 'deemed value' clause...result- less snapper stock, so what happened, ..us recs guys took a 33% cut to our limit (15 down to 10), and from memory they took a 20% cut in their quota. I know it's not the area that is being discussed at present, but I thought was a classic example of the way it usually rolls...grrrr |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 2:47pm
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yes they did overfish their quota-some sweetheart deal i imagine. And we get the blame. Recently read this. In 1970 spoter planes in Tasman Bay could sight surface schools of Snapper-some containing estimated 2000 tons of fish. No doubt spawning schools.These were purse seined. 5 years later these schools could no longer be found. Surprise ,surprise. Where is the Tasman Bay fishery now.? And they say we are world leaders in fisheries management. !!!!????? HMMM. |
Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 2:59pm
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Hey Brian D,i would be alright now i have enrolled as a maori,have the card to prove it,so everybody can pay for me to fish,excellent ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: peeda
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 3:37pm
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Just read the article and pretty pissed off! It just shows the power of money and greed for those at the top - Ministry of Primary Industries. Theres no mention about the thousands of tonnes of dead snapper floating out in the middle of the ocean! How about banning all commercial fishing in the Gulf.. Problem solved!!
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Posted By: Cbro
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 4:38pm
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They are saying we are taking40% over our allowance. Im pretty sure this is based off the niwa research which I believe to be flawed in the first place... From memory I was asked how much fish I catch, not how many I keep. It should be every kiwis right to catch fish for family...I don't think it's fair to take that away and allow just as much to be sold offshore...not too many people up here can afford to buy it nor want to. In saying that rec fishing pressure is increasing, more people with better tech has to have an impact. But I'd rather lose the com side of fishing and make nz a fishing haven as a tourism draw card. Once we lose it we will never get it back! It'll go to the com sector. If the limit halves then I hope the govt puts more funding towards coast guard to help with the increased number of over loaded 12ftrs... |
Posted By: ponty
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 4:40pm
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To me I think 9 Snapper is a hell of alot of fish for one person. I have never kept my limit once cos tbh I don't want to fillet 9 Snapper. I can't see anything wrong with people getting their limit anyway so not here to tell people off, good on ya if you can catch 9 fish. I wish I could every time. If cuts were to come into place I would say logically having a 30cm min and a 6 Snapper limit. But the coms should get cut as well, only fair. |
Posted By: Bertram
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 4:48pm
| I agree with members who say cut all snapper fishing from labour weekend until dec 1 that give them six weeks grace over the spawn.that includes the com boys .easy to police ,imagine the increase in numbers after five or six years .sounds easy to me we don't shoot ducks in the spring .lets face it s a slaughter at that time of the year |
Posted By: Muzzfishing
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 4:52pm
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Its about time the commercial guys learn to fish more efficiently and cut down on the waste from the trawl nets how much fish is wasted, probably more than any one of us will ever catch. Was not that long ago that the comms guys were looking at a increase in there Snappa quota. Now we are looking at cuts to the Recreational bag limit. I agree with Lethal give them nothing. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> A Good Skipper Keeps the water on the outside of the boat.
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Posted By: Shark-Bait
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 5:08pm
I do agree with You Eric but cant see it happening to be honest mate, we will get the hit not the Com's. So what do we do. I go out or try to once a week & Myself would be Ok with the size going up to 38-40cm & anything over 60cm goes back plus only aloud to take 6 or 7, thats still a bloody good feed, would still be able to give some away to friends & family & still have a nice feed. Thats just under a 20% cut back. But the Com's need to do the same if not more but it comes down to the same old thing again called MONEY & i cant see it happening. Herby you work for the Com,s whats your take on this, whats your industry prepared to do about this situation ??? Or is it just business as usual. And no not a personal attack just curious to here from someone in the commercial sector on how they would go about this. Interesting times ahead thats for sure. ------------- Life is short so make the most of every day. www.oceanangler.co.nz www.fullonfishing.co.nz |
Posted By: Wanda_Ra
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 5:09pm
How about if those licence fees were used to actively monitor the comm fishing boats in a couple of ways.So any dumping or high grading got stomped on hard. If something like that happened id have no issues with it. ------------- If you think you are too small to make a difference,try sleeping with a mosquito in your tent. |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 5:25pm
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inshore fisheries fish by coms should only by for local consumption..No export . No com fishing within the line Kawau Is to tip of Coromandel..If they go broke are we going to loose any sleep ?? I dont think so !!!
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Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 5:27pm
As Ponty says Alot of people dont keep their limit and alot also cant catch it. On that basis quota cuts for recreational is just a red herring because most arnt catching or keeping 9 snapper anyway.So quota cuts arnt the issue and would achieve very little. Suspect the real cause is the comms and ministry see the fishery is in trouble or in pending trouble. Got to blame somebody. Of course they would never admit it was in trouble as that would be admission to poor management. Talking about management. Still no closure about the huge Coro snapper spill. Why not. Is that because this would not be a good look when talking about quota cuts. Has been swept under the rug--out of sight out of mind.? As for closure in spring. I wouldnt be happy with that as after our long harsh wet winters thats when i and many others enjoy fishing the most. No ,not until they stop scooping up whole schools of spawning snapper by the hundred of tonnes. That happens every spring on a coast near you. |
Posted By: NZFisher
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 5:32pm
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The recreational catch numbers are pretty accurate, but there's some gaping holes in their knowledge which is filled with estimates. Our 'take' is being scaled from the data taken in 2011-2012 fishing year, which was exceptional in the INNER GULF in particular. It showed an increased take by most anglers and when a line is drawn from 2005 to 2012 and extrapolated it shows a huge increase in recreational take. Then we see in 2013 there's a decline. As most of you know, this year we didn't have the large take in the inner gulf and the recreational harvest was reduced. MPI HAVE NOT TAKEN 2013 into consideration. Further, the commercial sector's 'other mortality' (i.e. fish they release undersized (or oversize) but dead, is under-accounted for. The whole fishery needs a re-think but it's only rec fishers who are facing the chop at this point. There's just not enough data. What worries me most (and what I got in Andy Doube's (MPI Fisheries Manager) face about last week) was the science on the state of the Bay of Plenty fishery. Whats astounding its that the science shws it at 6% - below the point the minster should close the fishery, but the commercial weasels managed to keep the door open by pointing out fish from the BOP intermingle with the Hauraki Gulf. It's true, theres plenty of proof, but it doesn't mean they should still be raping it with trawlers 12 months of the year. in the Hauraki gulf we (recs) take about 50% of all the snapper taken here. Int he BOP Comm take about 83% - mostly through trawling - and that's the fishery in the worst state! Mind blowing to me..... In Auckland, where I live, there are nearly 1.5 million people. I'd say 25% of them would fish each year. That means the needs and aspirations of just under 400,000 people are being put aside for the needs of a handful of corporate who make $26 million export dollars a year from the HG. If my math is right, our rights are only worth about $65 per person.... Not that that argument will fly either..... I strongly implore all rec fishers to get behind the New Zealand Sport Fishing Council (www.legasea.co.nz) and get real, accountable action on this issue. ------------- |
Posted By: NZFisher
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 5:38pm
I'd say you're on the money there Cirrus. The data I've seen - from the Ministry - shows that the rec bag would need to be reduced to 4 to have a meaningful impact on the fishery. It would seem more likely that a size limit increase is on the cards, but I wouldn't put it past them to introduce both. My personal suggestion was 1. Include the 2012/2013 fishing season in the calculations to get a more balanced view on the red take. 2; better educate rec fishers - invest some real time & effort on how to release safely, release weights, use re-curve hooks etc. But those things don't work for bean counter automatons in the Ministry. Our overall impact on the fishery is significant, thers no doubt and I personally see a minimum legal size increase as a wise move - but there's no point returning fish to the sea and building a fishery if the end result will be an increase in commercial take and ongoing recreational reductions. This might just be our best time and issue to stand and fight.... ------------- |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 5:49pm
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Go back to the beginning.....fish need to breed to have fish in the water..shut the whole bloody area down for 6 weeks to 2 months ,increase the size to 330, reduce the bag limit to 6. As for coms..a shut season is just that.no trawling and 330 min size allowed ..bloody simple solution.....!!!!
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Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 5:52pm
| LETS ORGANISE A PROTEST..>> Queen ST If boobs on bikes can do so can man and boats |
Posted By: petethemeat
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 5:58pm
Except it never works like that in reality does it? The cost of setup, collection and maintaining the licencing system would likely cost more than is gathered. Many people just wouldn't buy licences - they would take their chances without.
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Posted By: tab47
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 6:11pm
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Down with the recreational snapper and king fish limit, Snapper limit should be closer to 5 and the Kingfish limit 1.5 max although I am negotiable on that it could be pushed to 1.75. Also make it a legislated law that all john dory must die upon being sighted On another note that protest down queen st sounds like a goer, after seeing the average build of forum goer we could call it blokes on boats with boobs? |
Posted By: Jiggy Jig
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 6:20pm
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Not sure how much trawling is done for snapper - but it should be stopped - period - it not only rapes the snapper stock - but the ocean and seabed too. They will still fill their quota with long lined fish - which are better market quality anyway - and probably fewer small fish taken/damaged Closed season - yes - for all, com and rec. The population of Auckland is growing rapidly, so of course the rec take is increasing. If TAC is to remain the same, or reduce, it should come out of the com quota first. Every man should have the opportunity to go and catch a fish and a feed if he so wishes. Inshore areas should be rec only, the comms can fish outwide. A license scheme will just get bogged down with bureacracy with no benefits to the fishery. How about banning the export of any NZ fish - just like we can't import any trout - the comms would scream - stuff them, they should be NZ fish for NZ people. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Shark-Bait
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 6:23pm
After talking about this with a couple of mates over a cold one or two or three......... I wonder if all normal hooks were banned outright & only the use of circle hooks aloud would make a difference. I only ask this because when i used to use the stinky stuff every now & again you would hook a small Snap deep in the gills or even in the guts, you would throw it back in but sometimes it would float to the surface & become something else's dinner, if you use circle hooks this would not happen, well not as much, so you/we would be looking after the fish better hence looking after the fishery better, less dead fish. Just a thought.
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Posted By: pjc
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 6:33pm
comms to declare all waste and have counted towards their quota, in fact bring back the old/winter trawl lines. ------------- Sex at 58.Lucky I live at 56 |
Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 6:38pm
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Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 7:23pm
| Be interesting how this pans out..but lets not be like a bunch of dumb fks and let a change happen without being heard.. You can guess whats going on behind closed doors with the Government and coms...we dont get heard so lets make ourselves be heard.!!!.To late afterwards aint it ???? |
Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 7:28pm
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The first thing you can do if you want to be heard is to flick http://www.legasea.co.nz/contribute/index.php" rel="nofollow - Legasea a quick $20 if you haven't already. The team at Legasea are working on this and other key issues for all of us right now. ------------- Online... |
Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 8:15pm
Great idea. Several hundred cars towing boats through the centre of Auckland would slow things down a bit and get some publicity. |
Posted By: cirrus
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:00pm
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In light of what Legasea has said this is of concern. But has MOF tabled data,real figures ,stats to back their claims. I have yet to see any. If these are available they should be made public before any consultation begins. And this is very much a N.Z public issue as it effects many people.How do I/we know that all this without solid data , is not a slick P.R excercise to cut our quota & up commercial quota. I would like to see all the research & facts. |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:05pm
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Yes in full agreement there...I live In papakura..get all the southern boaties to do a m/w go slow,like wise the northshore ,west and eastern ones ..all aim for downtown .. I dont trust any government dept ..least of all to look after the rec fishers..you would be joking..Ive breathed lots of air in my 62 years >> have learnt that the squeaky gate gets the oil.. Dont trust any politician, MP ..they are only here for their own invested interests..here one day and gone the next..takes years to put right ,if at all what each successive dimwit stuffs up 500 boaties would cause a stirr and get noticed. To many dont just wait for leagsea do save the day !!!
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Posted By: 1more
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:16pm
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I'm all for a lower limit, and maybe even a higher minimum size for snapper etc ( for rec fishers). But not if the comms sector don't take a cut as well. Otherwise, the govt will just hand over the difference to the comms guys, and nothing will change for the better. Bugger. I might need to pay more attention to the next election.
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Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:24pm
| I suppose this is what NIWA were doing at boat ramps wanting to count all our fish..only to try and take it of us..Next time they want to count and measure our fish ..sorry you cant lol |
Posted By: Wanda_Ra
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:33pm
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You would get several hundy cars n boats just from this website alone if most participated who were near Auckland. But if it was to happen,dont just limit it to boaties,a big lot of land based etc fishes walking down queen street alongside the boats wouldn't hurt. Surely there would be a huge amount this affects and would be willing to give up a sat or sunday for a damn good cause. ------------- If you think you are too small to make a difference,try sleeping with a mosquito in your tent. |
Posted By: Hsvl
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:43pm
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Would it be feasible to set up breeding facilities to release fish back into the wild as well as to fill part of the export quota? If it can be done for trout why not our inshore species? ------------- It hit like a freight train, line peeling and drag screaming the rod now doubled with a tell tail nodding and Salt thickening within the veins. |
Posted By: Garry 23041
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 9:59pm
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Licence isn't all bad if it's targeted. I lived in Colorado for 18 years and hunted there. Locals pay $35.00 for a dear tag out of state $250.00. All moneys to policing and herd management. It is so succesful they keep the trout breeding in the black with the loose change. Also when you get a licence you sign that you understand the rules. therefore NO excuse for law breaking. The revinue from out of state hunters is huge (hotels bars sport stores etc). We could make some money in the long run and have the worlds strongest fishery. I could pay a licence if I knew it was going toward policing/managment and not frittered away. |
Posted By: muchalls
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 10:12pm
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Licensing could be a good thing, but the issue is complicated/confounded by Tangata Kaitiaki issuing customary permits which allow plundering of resources, and the taking of Kai moana for a tangi or hui. One nation united, but divided in law. |
Posted By: NZFisher
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 10:16pm
This should not be necessary if the fishery is managed properly. All the problems we're seeing today is not with a fishery in decline, but one that is not rebuilding fast enough. There's an estimated 60,000,000 snapper in the Hauraki gulf. We could never conceive a plan to enhance their breeding artificially - they do a pretty outstanding job themselves. The issue today is about 1. Allocation of the resource and 2. managing the recreational take (which is virtually unconstrained) in a fishery that is at between 06 & 24% due to, primarily, over fishing by commercial interests in the 1960 - 1990's. The scenario is very simply dollars in the pockets of the few (<1000) over the social and economic to a recreational population of many (400,000 +/-) This is not a battle for fish, it is a battle for money. Money we want to realise as a resource in the water (i.e. am investment) for our generations to benefit from versus dollars on a balance sheet for quota owners (i.e. liquidatable assets). The current political environment and the mission of the Ministry of Primary industries, is to realise profit by "maximising export opportunities for the primary industries; improving sector productivity; increasing resource use; and protecting New Zealand from biological risk." (from MPI website) - that is to say rape and pillage as long as we don't get caught! There are more layers to this than I can face after so many beers, but the fact is we need money to beat money and as Grunta suggested, get behind l http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow - egasea - $20 goes a long way but $60 goes further! ------------- |
Posted By: skidoggg
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 10:19pm
oooa wheres all the photos five pages of comments no photos too much reading for my eyezees   heres some salt for the wound a few thousand tuna dissapearing oo look theres a marlin  back to the snaps ... im pretty much in fav of the common opinions comin thru bigger size limit and a cuple of less fish but coms need a cut in quota too and yes should be some reserves in place where commercial fishing is banned ie gulf , bay of islands etc  |
Posted By: Fishabunga
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 10:19pm
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Posted By: jackel
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 10:23pm
| Some really good points made so far. I don't like the idea of licences but would like to see the peak spawning period protected from the commercial guys for say one month. If need be cutting my take to say 4 or 5 fish pp for this period would be acceptable, though I almost always limit myself to this anyway. The size I think needs to go up to @330mm, though again I have a boat policy that if I think it needs a measure up, then its clearly too small. In summary as someone said not hammering them during the peak spawning period sounds like something both the comms and recs could both subscribe too? |
Posted By: NZFisher
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 10:34pm
Just so everyone is clear; Commercial fishing for snapper is banned from October to March inside Kawau, to the back of Waiheke. While it's not huge, that's one of the real benefits of the Hauraki Gulf Marine Park ( I believe it was agreed in the early 90's?) and there's heavy restrictions on trawling in the same period elsewhere int he gulf. So, this argument is close to moot. Also, as John H has said, there's little if any implication of recruitment of next years stocks by fishing the breeding stocks this year. Whether you catch it today or at Christmas, the fish yo kill wont breed next season. this issue is to do with how many fish we take and how many commercial take from north cape to east cape, out to 200 miles between October 1 and September 30 each year. The data they have says we take about 1,000,000 kilos more than what we've been allocated out of the total pool (3500T vs 2500T +/- a few 100 tons). The fact that we are fishing in a fishery that was already at 15% in 1990 due to commercial over fishing in the 70's - 80s matters not to the bureaucrats. The NZSFC have released a very strong http://www.legasea.co.nz/documents/NZSFC-Snapper1-Policy-Manual-Oct12.pdf" rel="nofollow - Snapper 1 Policy that works with both rec and commercial to improve our behavior and increase the stocks through better practice, rather than a blunt instrument like bag limit reductions. ------------- |
Posted By: mouthu
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 10:37pm
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Apart from reading all the comments here, I decided to read the information the decisions will be made from............... with a pinch of salt of course, it's a bit haed to take any report too seriously when words like 'assumed' and 'estimates' are used so often. http://www.mpi.govt.nz/Portals/0/Documents/fish/Fisheries%20Assessment%20Plenary%20-%20May%202013%20-%20Volume%203.pdf" rel="nofollow - http://www.mpi.govt.nz/Portals/0/Documents/fish/Fisheries%20Assessment%20Plenary%20-%20May%202013%20-%20Volume%203.pdf Page 179 gives an idea of how recreational fishers get dealt with, and page 188 is an eye operner too. It talks about how spawning is disrupted, they know this, yet they won't put measures in place to control it. ------------- Yes it was me, I screwed it up for everyone. |
Posted By: Orky
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 11:44pm
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As a long time Gulf fisher here's a few observations. Personally I feel the area's in a far healthier state than back in the eighties and nineties. A bag limit is a reality again if that's what you want, it was a pipe dream for awhile back then. Rec fisho's have cleaned up their act hugely although you still see a few rogues around ( leaving at dusk in an old dunger, no safety gear, but about five rods for everyone on board and if you try to remind them of their obligations, sorry no english!) Good luck with licensing those folk. Commercially, make no mistake this is the thin end of the wedge for a take increase. They know the fish are there, it's political suicide to up the overall take so theyr'e coming after Joe Public's share. Solutions? An inshore ( 12,15,20km?) netting ban would be a start. GPS monitoring is a must. Sealed video cameras on board too. Rec fishers, we can't give an inch. A united front, a credible lobby group and make it as expensive as possible for the commercial sector to pursue their agenda, businessmen hate cost be it fuel, wages, taxes or lawyers. Commercial fishers have always been the nearest thing NZ has had to the mafia, they've just got better suits and mre influential mates nowdays! |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 15 Jun 2013 at 11:53pm
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one thing they always seam to forget is the fisheries belong to the people of NZ not the Government... they believe its there to gather revenue and those that pay for the right to catch it will always have the biggest share... until that thinking is changed then we will always be on the losing end... making wild remarks like up the size, reduce our take, is how all this come about in the first place, they truly do read these forums and remarks like that make them think its possible to activate such policies... what ever you give up we will loose for good, for god sake remember it is ours to give not for them to take, time you understand how these clowns work, its about nothing other than money,money,money.... your fish for them to make money from... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 12:04am
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Wish i had as much fun as you yuppie snapper fisherman up north have. down here some of us struggle to get a feed of them red beast's at the best of times. is it due to over fishing? sure not under fishing..... in summer mate of mine and me head out and anchor up and wait. where as up north you drift and bam you are in! glad i have the 4 stroke to cover more ground to find them now. if it's not guesswork from 40mtrs to 10mtrs and all parts in between...the it's chuck out the burly and wait or dam them fish hate the sun they gone back to bed after 9am and had there brekky all full up oh well we can wait some more eh bro.....or maby i am just doing it wrong.... ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> MH... Catch measure release...<*))))< |
Posted By: Merlin the marlin
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 12:14am
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What about the young deckhands paying thousand's of $$$$$ in levies each year to help pay for fisheries research for the commercial and recreational fishing sector? ------------- Support your local 81 Big red machine. HAMC |
Posted By: Jiggy Jig
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 12:19am
 Spot on Lethal ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Merlin the marlin
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 12:23am
I'm a recreational fisherman also  ------------- Support your local 81 Big red machine. HAMC |
Posted By: fish-feeder
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 8:49am
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I wont be buying a licence if that comes into effect.I will adhere to not fishing during a spawning period and will not take fish under a certain size...but paying for a licence....not likely at all,ill take that risk.Why should some be exempt if it does happen......BS i think.
In 2 yrs of fishing ive taken a full quota twice....never kept undersize fish and thats how ill continue to fish. I dont get out on a boat,dont have $1000s worth of gear to help me up my catch.....dont have money to go on charters so my piddly impact on the fishery wouldnt account for much (hence my handle).....and wont be depriving my children of a feed of fish that we could never spend money on cause we cannot afford it.Even though this cut wont affect me as I fish the westcoast,im all keen for a queen street walk or whatever.
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Posted By: dalgo
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 8:58am
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If there were to be any cuts made they should apply to both recreational and commercial users, with the recreational cuts only to come into effect after the commercial cuts are in place (I don't trust the government or the commercial sector). However I don't personally believe that any reductions are necessary.
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Posted By: Bryn23
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 9:09am
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I agree with dal go, in regards to the commercial users getting cuts then us following to ensure that it is fair. but i would like an increase in size to at least 32cm as there is nothing on those little ones. i would even accept a drop to 7, i normally only keep 4-6 as i don't need anymore than that, but we are just a two person household. I have also been meaning to make a donation to Legasea for ages. But this kicked me into gear and i just donated for the cause. Good luck, i'd hate to see us get reemed!!!!! |
Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 9:38am
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Whats in store for us.. A 40% reduction in bag limits.. because since 1997 rec fishers have increased by 28% Coms will not get a reduction FFS ...Coms ruined the fisheries in the first place and still are..time they took a hit as well >>> so we can catch our 2 and a half fish while coms trawl ,scoping up 1000s of tons of spawning fish,yet still they wash ashore in there 1000s, dead from their fishing methods which are allowed to continue by the Goverment, ( who dont own the fish ) The millions that the com sector earns is small in comparison to other sectors in NZ. These are our fish not the worlds ,If the Com sector was paid out and shut down problem solved ..easy, simple yet but true There are dickheads in charge of fisheries and the minister has that hat.. Come on guys lets organise something >>>>dont wait for legasea to save the day as they wont do it alone.... Legasea have not openly supported a reduction in Coms catch but rather leave it where it is..so who do you think is heading for a reduction ?? Squeaky gates gets the oil. reduce fish mortality by outlawing barbed hooks.. |
Posted By: John H
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 10:40am
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NZ Fisher is on to it. There are no final proposals on the table yet. Just a discussion about what could or should happen. The NZ Sport Fishing policy on SNA1 is clear. Rebuild to 40% of unfished level. All sectors need to protect the young fish. Talk to recreational fishers about how we contribute to the rebuild. A lot of good ideas around. BUT fisheries management in NZ is locked into the quota system. It manages by setting a total allowable catch and wants the fishers in each sector to take some responsibility for how they make best use of what they have. As the stock rebuilds all fishers have to fish smarter. [I am in Aus and struggle with this site on my DUMB phone] |