What reel is best for sb and why
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Topic: What reel is best for sb and why
Posted By: DIY!
Subject: What reel is best for sb and why
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 6:54pm
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what reel should I buy next... I have toasted two twinpowers and a stradic 4000, these will be serviced and repaired... and go into spares category. So what should I buy as a SB go to reel, I want your opinion and the pros and cons thanks in advance ------------- http://www.actionstations.co.nz Berkley 2009 and 2010 S/B champ |
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Posted By: segador
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 7:01pm
| stella 10000 and up or saltigas are the goods too |
Posted By: segador
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 7:02pm
| whoops softbait or stickbait |
Posted By: Potty
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 7:31pm
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daiwa bro ------------- Love fishing, love my job. It's a bloody shame that they clash. http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Hsvl
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 8:51pm
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What daiwa Potty? ------------- It hit like a freight train, line peeling and drag screaming the rod now doubled with a tell tail nodding and Salt thickening within the veins. |
Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 8:54pm
| Caldia |
Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 8:59pm
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Im with kandrew... caldia all the way. key thing is that the shimanos are super smooth out of the box but water flows through them like a sieve so seize up if they dont have regular mainainance daiwas with magseal such as caldia and certate keep the water out so the insides stay sweet. caldia zaion body wont rust either and no flex or movement plus the reel feels damm sweet. so smooth and light |
Posted By: DIY!
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 9:03pm
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Yes... I have heard good things about the Diawa except for some stuff that OF2FSH had with bearings... have these reels gotten better since then? ------------- http://www.actionstations.co.nz Berkley 2009 and 2010 S/B champ |
Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 9:09pm
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What ya doing to ya reels I haven't managed to muck any shimano gear and my stuff gets a beating ------------- http://www.facebook.com/hauraki.hillbillys |
Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 9:11pm
| The only one i have heard of is the line roller bearing going in the old certate, new ones have mag seal in the line roller too |
Posted By: DIY!
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 9:14pm
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GG long story.. would rather not get into on it here... honestly say nothing other that fish.. used inox, never dunked them in any water. I do like the smoothness of the shimano though. ------------- http://www.actionstations.co.nz Berkley 2009 and 2010 S/B champ |
Posted By: willis likes to Jiggy Jig
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 9:17pm
| fire blood !! |
Posted By: Starnsy
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 11:02pm
Whats the budget?  If there isn't one I'd get a 2012 Team Daiwa Exist 2508PE-H... But being a poor student I can't see that happening for a while 
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Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 11:25pm
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I've heard a few people now saying put your money on a lower end model and just buy a new one each year... I spent 350 bucks on a curado 2 years ago and the handle is corroding like mad. My 80 dollar okuma has been chagring for the same amount of time and in much better shape. Both have had a lot of use kayak fishing taking regular dunkings... Hats off to okuma. It has made me wonder how Shimano can justify charging so much for their gear. ------------- Legasea Legend, the rest of you should be too, $10 a month. |
Posted By: Kingfish killer
Date Posted: 27 May 2013 at 8:34pm
My Shimano Curado 300e i have used kayak fishing for 4 years , i clean it and look after it and it looks and performs as good as the day i bought it . In my opinion if you buy quality and look after it you cant go wrong . Dawai Sol 3000 is another good reel for that wont break the bank .
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Plow wrote:Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 7:26am
| Clean them when you get home & service them! No worries with my Curado's either my 300EJ has been on the yak 2.5 years without an issue and still mint too. |
Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 8:22am
I wash my gear down after every trip, so maybe I just got unlucky. The reel itself is fine, the drag and internals are great its the handle that's rotting. Dan I don't see how servicing a reel will protect the handle from corrosion? If they could do some form of magic... why don't they do this magic before selling them? I have not used inox on this reel, just fresh water wash as soon as i get home.   And here is my okuma. It has partnered my curado for the same trips taken probably more dunkings. Different construction obviously between the two. But there you go.. same treatment for both reels, one is corroding, and one isn't. I love them both apart from this one issue.  ------------- Legasea Legend, the rest of you should be too, $10 a month. |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 8:28am
| You can get a new handle Plow there not to expensive either. You probably had a slight scratch there and it has started that corrosion. |
Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 8:37am
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One thing I haven't mentioned is that I purchased this on the net from the states while i was living overseas.. maybe the handle construction for the states supplied market is not made for salt water? I don't know, just an idea..
Are there any other handle options Dan? I don't want another lemon.. if you get my drift.. ------------- Legasea Legend, the rest of you should be too, $10 a month. |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 8:39am
| Yeah get the Curado EJ power handle think it fits sweet. |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 9:04am
| corrosion is a direct result of salt LEFT on the reel reacting. so if cleaned well and protected by inox or your prefered lube it wont be as previlant. Also there is a product called RUSTOP by owner its a sacrificial anode tape. a piece on your reel foot will help. |
Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 9:21am
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DIY! Perhaps if you details what exact situtaion are you going to use the reel in? Overhead or spin? What rod? What depth water, what line weight. Soft baits only or inchuku as well? The majority of fish caught/targetted size? ...the more info the better, then the choices should be more accurate/appropriate. |
Posted By: Muzzfishing
Date Posted: 28 May 2013 at 11:56am
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Has any one had any experience with the Diawa coastal Barra OH reels. I just stripped a Tica GT 3000 spin focus yesterday as it was siezing, getting harder to turn the handle so kept putting it back in the cupboard now wont turn at all. Pulled it apart now its completely stuffed so looking for another S/bait reel.
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Posted By: tightlines2
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 4:09pm
I bought one of those reels  Just as well it is still going strong, it is the best reel I'll ever own  .I do know that the line roller bearings are really small and do need some attention from time to time, but I have 2 Sol's, 1 Certate and 1 Branzino and after years of use it would be fair to say that 2 of them have got "noisey" line roller bearings.
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Posted By: John_Ra
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 5:32pm
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The problem is your using spin!!
Overhead, The Penn Fathom 12 or 15 casts amazingly...15 has like 13kg of drag
there small too. Bought Wife the 15 & I had a go & damm if it wasn't just an excellent buy...
the 15 came with 300m of 30lb braid!!! 12 not sure. Do some homework & Yo!
Spin Stella 5000 be the go...
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Posted By: nylg1
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 6:46pm
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I would go with the Certate .... I haven't used one but have had a great run from my sol and the certate ticks a few more boxes. From what I have seen in reels I have had Diawa seem to put a bit of thought into there designs when it comes to trying to prevent water ingress. As a few have brought up line roller bearings do get a bit noisy I have been through a few but now I just pack them with Marine grease and all good not that the new ones should have that issue with mag seal. ------------- “The best computer is a man, and it’s the only one that can be mass-produced by unskilled labor.” ― Wernher Von Braun |
Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 29 May 2013 at 6:57pm
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Wow 2xtwinpowers shattered? That's a pretty good effort. Mines never missed a beat. I'm not mr super clean either, but do get them serviced. What happened exactly? It's probably my favourite reel. I'm quite surprised to hear 2 have gone on ya ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: bite
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2013 at 5:53pm
| inox |
Posted By: Mr Plastic
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2013 at 8:00am
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Daiwa hands down. Roller bearings go on all spin reels as they are exposed to salt water all day. Ive replaced two sets on my branzino in the last five years. Apart from that its silent and smooth. You get what u pay for as usual. I started softbaiting with a salina and it was great for a while but they rot from the inside out. They are not very waterproof and are poorly designed at the rear of the reel. The vs are even worse. A good friend who services hundreds of reels def holds the daiwas above all others for water resistance. The new mag sealed roller will allmost void the need for bearing servicing. The new saltigas are totally waterproof. You can put them in a bucket of water overnight no probs.. ------------- Synit Prototype bender |
Posted By: Stevoe
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2013 at 9:31am
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I softbait fish from a kayak and from a boat regularly. I agree with Mr Plastic and others - for the best combination of corrosion resistance, quality of construction, smoothness and water proofing you will be hard pressed to go past Daiwa in my opinion, particularly the Certate. From the thick gauge bail arm through to the nicely balanced carbon rotor and waterproof gearbox these things are feats of engineering. I have the 10' model which I understand has got even better with the addition of the sealed line roller in the 13 model. I used to own the 2500 Sol which is also a very good value for money reel if the Certate is too much of a step $$ wise. I have serviced my own gear for the past 15-20 years, and have seen how easily water gets into reels in some brands, bearings get flogged out, and how drags get contaminated with oil over time but have to say have had few issues with Daiwa. ------------- Fishing is the answer, what was the question? |
Posted By: Potty
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2013 at 7:37pm
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Hard to find better than a Daiwa reel with mag seal. ------------- Love fishing, love my job. It's a bloody shame that they clash. http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2013 at 7:52pm
| Got a Luvias 3000, smooth as butter, would look at the new Caldia if I had to replace it. |
Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2013 at 7:55pm
| daiwa - certate spin or Lexa Baitcaster....cause you want the best |
Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2013 at 8:00pm
The reel i sold you i pulled down and replaced every bearing with after market stainless bearings and greased it properly ..its better than new brother ------------- 2009 and 2010 BERKLEY SOFTBAIT COMP CHAMPS,Runner up 2013 ( solo),winner 2013/14 longest kingfish nz fishing competition |
Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2013 at 8:05pm
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Theres only 1 reel amanda,stella 2500 with the 4000 handle,if i cant break it no one can...or a new model mag sealed certate,i would go for a FD or FE stella second hand at $450 to $550 ( even cheaper now theres a new model out) ill bring a stella down in sept for you to play with you wont want to give it back Scratch that theres a certate in the buy sell section for $500, make him an offer ------------- 2009 and 2010 BERKLEY SOFTBAIT COMP CHAMPS,Runner up 2013 ( solo),winner 2013/14 longest kingfish nz fishing competition |
Posted By: Stevoe
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 11:51am
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Having said all the above the only thing with Daiwa's mag seal system is that you won't be able to service it yourself - it has to go back to daiwa. The outside parts that see water ie roller bearing (non-mag sealed version), bail spring mechanism etc is easy enough to clean out but don't even think about taking the rotor off. The body of the rotor is an open design for a rinse of warm water under the tap to wash the salt out. Daiwa say the internals are basically maintenance free so I would only send it in for a service if something goes wrong with it. ------------- Fishing is the answer, what was the question? |
Posted By: Starnsy
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 12:02pm
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If not mag sealed, stick a dry ceramic bearing in the line roller and forget about it..
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Posted By: Starnsy
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 12:12pm
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@of2fsh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytmBQtONnqw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytmBQtONnqw ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: loodafish
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 1:26pm
| Those certates def look the biz! Seen a few guys land double figure kings on the 2500 pretty impressive definatly my next SB reel after i destroy my ci4 |
Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 1:48pm
Pretty impressive bearings,ill try them out next service ------------- 2009 and 2010 BERKLEY SOFTBAIT COMP CHAMPS,Runner up 2013 ( solo),winner 2013/14 longest kingfish nz fishing competition |
Posted By: bite
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 2:33pm
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my 2 cents , i dont know what the rest of u do , but to me most reels berrings stuff up if u dont wash and inox reels often, this what i do with a new reel i will talk spining reels here , i spray inox on them and in them from new, befour they even hit the salt, straight out of the box i coat them and let it soak in , i even try to get some inside by takeing the handle of and squrting in their, and in the hole of the little leaver on the bottom , i wet the line roller, i put inxo ever where and i have not had a reel seize for years and i have some old reels, my charter specail is about 25 + years old its one of the very first , ,my little bait caster triton speed master is close to 30, they dont have s/s berrings and run like new , you only need to get a sniff of inox into the grease inside gearbox , i even give the drag washers a sniff , i have a medium sized 5 year old silstar bait runner that the kid uses it runs like new and we all know what silstars rust like lol as for inox on the drags i have never had a problem with it once it drys a bit
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Posted By: Starnsy
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 3:04pm
The Stella handle in the video is amazing. Not cheap though.. Boca does some.. ABEC class 7 hybrid ceramics with friction-less seals... ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: bite
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 3:35pm
| inox is friction less |
Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 3:57pm
Inox is very good stuff,i use it on my outboard and exterior of my reels wiped on with a rag,however its not so good on bearings that are designed to have grease in them, it washes the grease out of them.salt gets into spinning reels by running down the main shaft thru the ARB bearing and into the gearbox dissolving the grease on the way thru and leaving salt crystals.so i do agree inox is very good stuff but its no where near as good as a quality grease used on a bearing designed for grease ------------- 2009 and 2010 BERKLEY SOFTBAIT COMP CHAMPS,Runner up 2013 ( solo),winner 2013/14 longest kingfish nz fishing competition |
Posted By: bite
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 4:18pm
| yes but a dash in the grease helps a lot |
Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 4:45pm
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[QUOTE=bite] yes but a dash in the grease helps a lot[/ ill let you have the last word------------- 2009 and 2010 BERKLEY SOFTBAIT COMP CHAMPS,Runner up 2013 ( solo),winner 2013/14 longest kingfish nz fishing competition |
Posted By: Starnsy
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 5:00pm
These bearings are also dry bearings, so no oil or grease is required  ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Stevoe
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 5:02pm
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I have personally found that Inox/WD40/CRC/RP7 strips grease away and then moving parts start wearing quicker but if bite has had reels for 25 years and has been using this method then who are we to argue? :-) ------------- Fishing is the answer, what was the question? |
Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 5:18pm
| do not forget inox is toxic the non food grade one, so do not inhale it when spraying it and wipe your hands when using it, i heard you are not to put it on hoses is this true? |
Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 5:26pm
| Merc doesn't like it used on their outboards for that reason. My mechanic recommends lannox. |
Posted By: Michael Jenkins
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 7:26pm
it's a great product for sure, i use it alot, also give my rods/guides a wipe down with it, though is does seem to soak into and destroy some synthetic/rubber materials, so if you own any high end reels with seals everywhere be carefull, heck even if it's not that high-end, for example the seal under the rotor of the old model Saros F, i've seen that a few times, it swells up and makes the reel stiff to wind, likewise the rubber coating on the outside of the the handle (same material is on loads of different handles, my old daiwa emcast surf reel is starting to go that way round the pivot point from a few years of a careful squirt there each trip) also the foam on the hand grip of reels like fire-bloods and sustain fg's doesn't handle it either. Don't get me wrong, i like inox and think it does a great job just don't want someone out there to follow your "soak it" advice and accidentally hurt their reel with love haha!
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 7:38pm
Totally agree Mike,the " less is more" theory is a good one to follow,even on my brand new outboard i spray it onto rag and wipe instead of soaking it and destroying rubber and electric cables ------------- 2009 and 2010 BERKLEY SOFTBAIT COMP CHAMPS,Runner up 2013 ( solo),winner 2013/14 longest kingfish nz fishing competition |
Posted By: Jiggy Jig
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2013 at 11:30pm
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WD40 is fish oil based and can be used on rubber without causing it to disintegrate. WD40, Inox, CRC etc are great on the outside of reels as corrosion protection, but as mentioned above, they dissolve and wash out grease/oil - so if used internally must be used very frequently to stop drying out and water/salt causing corrosion.  ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2013 at 4:28am
Bit off topic but Agree with the above.....inox is a great product but it does break down grease and oil......I personally use a good quality oil on my reels...esp bearings and line rollers as well as serviced.Spray inox first and leave to do its stuff....then oil important areas. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: MarkE
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2013 at 8:35am
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I think the New Certate 2500R won in the end :) ------------- Sea Strike 18' Centre Console - Under Construction.... http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/sea-strike-18-build-thread_topic87723_page1.html" rel="nofollow - Build Thread here |
Posted By: bite
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2013 at 1:08pm
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i dont use much of the stuff just a little does the job i want , |
Posted By: Michael Jenkins
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2013 at 7:56pm
WD40 is not made from fish-oil (6 paragraphs down) http://wd40.com/about-us/myths-legends-fun-facts/" rel="nofollow - http://wd40.com/about-us/myths-legends-fun-facts/ had someone at the boat show try tell me that, didn't sound right at all so i went and looked, doesn't mean it puts fish off, but it's not made from it. not sure about WD40 but CRC5.56 will definitely damage nylon (not sure about it's effects on braid if any) which is why CRC make a different product specifically for fishing tackle called 'tackle guard' |
Posted By: nylg1
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2013 at 9:22am
What are the differences between the 2500 and the 2500R is I see the R is a little heavier but where do the differences lie? Nice choice DIY Edit: I see "The R version has a 2500 size body with a 3000 size gear box." ------------- “The best computer is a man, and it’s the only one that can be mass-produced by unskilled labor.” ― Wernher Von Braun |
Posted By: Stevoe
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2013 at 12:04pm
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My understanding is that the 2500R has slightly heavier gearbox, so I went for that over the 2500 so that it has better chance of handling some big saltwater fish. Can't comment on whether this was necessary, but the 2500r is still light as a feather. ------------- Fishing is the answer, what was the question? |
Posted By: Mr Plastic
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2013 at 5:05pm
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Def dont squirt in handle bearings.. Dust the outside and wipe off afer 5 mins. Oil or grease screws. Oil bail arms and roller bearings if u can. Wipe down with a warm wet cloth with a little detergent after fishing, dont hose them!. It drives the salt deeper into the reel. Oh and put a reel cover on when not in use. Ive seen some shockers in rod holders. Lol.. ------------- Synit Prototype bender |