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Topic: Light tackle Think Tank
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Subject: Light tackle Think Tank
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 10:16pm
I am hoping we get a reasonable reply to this thread as we dont have a light tackle section.

during the nationals we got into a bit of light tackle for what we were doing, 15k for marlin instead of 37k 3k for kings instead of 10 or 15, snaps on 4k instead of braid or 10k mono what a blast.

so what are guys using for light tackle fishing, reels, rods etc, would be keen to hear from those chasing good fish on skinny line I dont want to get into a brand thing just keen to hear the good oil and the facts.
 
Edit- I renamed the thread as it seems you had already started the think tank (credit where its due) and binned the one I started - Moocha


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Posted By: Stormbringer
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 10:26pm
Shocked looks like i'm going to need to purchase some silly string and rods top match LOL

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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 10:27pm
mate was funny stuff, lots of whizzzzzz bang giggle.


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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 11:30pm
some people BA just like to scull drag, but i enjoy the lighter stuff...
not always do you hook up the intended target though, like when fish for snaps you end up with a King/shark/ray,
that is when the fun really starts, skill and tackle performance come into play.
the other day i was to lazy to re-rig another set-up and used my bait rod to catch a snapper when it took off, have know idea what it was as it didnt know how to slow down, after a couple of hundred yards i decided to stop the fight and broke it off, 4kg braid was a joke against such a beast, plus i didnt have the time to pi$$ around with it....
but other times 6kg is quite enough to stop most sharks/rays/kingfish i tend to encounter...
i dont like to loose good fish and leave them with tackle attached so tend to stay with 6kg....

 
 

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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 12:10am
I was going to go 4lb on mako's. but decided best not do it, cause they take years to bring in on noodle string...and a record would be pointless. but noodle string's sure are fun..

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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 10:04am
yes we were going to do the same on 3 as there were heaps about and although for the nats you have to kill them they were perfect smoker size.


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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 10:11am
I am going to use a Bantam 50 it has had some work done to it and very smooth and will couple this with a daiwa rod think it a black widow? nice and soft in the tip with grunt below as the line is so thin I will use either a yellow or red so it can be seen easier.


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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 10:28am
BA you have the gear to run em down and keep up with the sodding thing's... I found the more line in the water the less drag you have to have on..6lb line now that would be awesome fun. 

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Posted By: Hayden N
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 11:11am
I fish pretty much exclusively with light tackle, using a 1-3kg xtralite rod with light braid and 6lb leader. Haven't hooked into anything huge yet mainly just Trout and Kahawai.

My mate fishes with 6lb mono but uses a 10kg broomstick style boat rod. I can never really understand why.


Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 2:00pm
just loaded 2 reels with 4lb for targeting mahimahi. I think we are in for a lot of lost fish with the fish jumping around a lot but time will tell


Posted By: sappercatcha
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 2:06pm
most of my fishing is done with under 6kg gear


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 2:58pm
yes so the question is what gear is being used, is spinning better or free spool etc I have done a heap of it over the years but had problems with 1 and 2 k line times have changed as has the gear so keen to hear what is being used out there.

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Posted By: Stormbringer
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 3:08pm
so shall I build us a 5kg stand up rod ? lol

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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 3:10pm
might be too heavy mateShocked

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Posted By: Merci
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 3:30pm
When it comes to silly string you cant go past Offshore Rods, I have a 1-2kg one and a 3-4kg one both are amazing! The 3-4kg has a TLD5 spoolled with 3kg moimoi on it and the 1-2kg rod is matched up with a small Penn Slammer and 1kg.
 
Cathing skippies on 1kg is where its at and you dont have to wait long between fish
 
LOVE IT!


Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 3:35pm
Good one mate, I had planned to ask for a smiliar thread to be put in the Work up forum as I have a similar thought for the Nats next year Thumbs Up


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 6:08pm
yes mate it would be interesting for like minded sorts to share their ideas.

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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 6:15pm
I have a beautifully rollered Berkerly Gorrilla 7 ft 8-15kg rod with a worked TLD20 2 with 700m of 10kg Maxima mono...hoping to have fun with anything big.Wink

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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 6:19pm
Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

I have a beautifully rollered Berkerly Gorrilla 7 ft 8-15kg rod with a worked TLD20 2 with 700m of 10kg Maxima mono...hoping to have fun with anything big.Wink


Wont catch anything in the garage teddy Wink... I hope you are talking about a Marlin not some kinky BBW shenanigans.



Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 6:23pm
Do lots of light tackle for kings, fishing 4 and 6kg, i fish overhead reels, on saltist 4-6kg rods, i fish moimoi as i like having a bit more abrasion. For kings where i fish i know the area which is key, you need to know the terrain. I  drag them out as they usually follow when not giving them death. get them on the sand and wear them out. 

i dont like rods that bend to much for light tackle, the tip has to have some give (stock absorber affect)  but still have a solid middle section.  well thats what i like and have caught plenty over 20kegs on silly stuff. 


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 6:33pm
Originally posted by Moocha Moocha wrote:

Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

I have a beautifully rollered Berkerly Gorrilla 7 ft 8-15kg rod with a worked TLD20 2 with 700m of 10kg Maxima mono...hoping to have fun with anything big.Wink


Wont catch anything in the garage teddy Wink... I hope you are talking about a Marlin not some kinky BBW shenanigans.


put a team in next year Al and see how ya go

Mooch you are too muchLOL


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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 6:46pm
Originally posted by Blue Asparagus Blue Asparagus wrote:

Originally posted by Moocha Moocha wrote:

Originally posted by Catchelot Catchelot wrote:

I have a beautifully rollered Berkerly Gorrilla 7 ft 8-15kg rod with a worked TLD20 2 with 700m of 10kg Maxima mono...hoping to have fun with anything big.Wink


Wont catch anything in the garage teddy Wink... I hope you are talking about a Marlin not some kinky BBW shenanigans.


put a team in next year Al and see how ya go

Mooch you are too muchLOL
 
Interesting I must find out about this Teddy fella, but if he is connected in any manner to Moocha best I stay well away as I hear the Moocha is bad man.LOL
 


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Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 6:52pm

If you want a Light Tackle sub-forum just 'thank' this post and if we can get some indication of reasonable interest then I'll set one up........   I guess 'the Work-Up' is the most appropriate place but input welcomed.  Could have a hall of fame and the whole 9 yards. 

Thanks to Moocha for PM'ing me with the request.Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 6:56pm
Teddy no not connected at all to the mooch but teddy has a gangster mate we call him Teddy 2 toes

stole my thunder dam you smoochaWink


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Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 7:08pm
im thinking the accurate twin drags would be the way to go and kane at decoro can put different drag cam to suit use for light line. bx400. That would give very smoothdrag. use the bx400xn for jigging but would be keen on getting another with the lower drag cam for light line. would imagine overhead would be better as there is no line twist which would weaken the line
just a thought


Posted By: Bigfishbob
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 7:24pm
Daiwa SL20 is all you need for 3 and 4 kg,  nice and cheap super smooth drags, alittle extra Cals grease doesn't hurt.. Before that I used an ABU 6500C Sprint for about 20 years, it's now at the bottom of the parengarenga habrour if you want to go get it. (bloody kayak fishing!) Have fished 4 Kg for years on kings up to 12 kgs and water up to 50 metres deep. It's a blast alright. Have just this year thrown out the 4 kg and trying the 3kg for the first time haven't caught anything on it yet, it's amazing how much thinner than 4kg it is.
 
The first reel I used was a shakspeare 040 Spinning reel, nice felt drag washers, that's what I caught the 12 Kg King on. Reels don't have to be that sophisticated, you'd be spending money that doesn't need spending on flash twin drag reels etc. Sure they're nice, but they're more than you need.
 
HOWEVER, I have also heard of guys using things like TLD20s and TLD25s for 1 & 2 kg. Sounds crazy, but the argument is that the larger spool diamter produces mre troque to oversome any drag inertia. Makes sense from a physics perspective.
 
As for Rods the Abu is/was on a Sabre 195-6 grafast blank that I stuck on a fuji double handed grip/butt. The current rod is a a Calstar GFX7 with Alps guides. Don't like rollers for light tackle and haven't seen a need for them yet.
 
2 kg is easily doable on Kahawai, but skippies are an absolute 'mare.
 
 
 


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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 7:25pm
Originally posted by Blue Asparagus Blue Asparagus wrote:

Teddy no not connected at all to the mooch but teddy has a gangster mate we call him Teddy 2 toes

stole my thunder dam you smoochaWink
 
Is that why Moocha has a foot fetish and a massage parlour in the front cabin BA?LOL


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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 7:25pm
yeas mate I am currently using a Diawa SL20 with 4k mono also have the Bantam 50 which I will either go back to 6 or swap it out for 4 and use the SL20 for lighter got 3 of them so have a few options

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Posted By: sappercatcha
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 8:52pm
im currently useing a saimano calcutta 200b with 5kg braid on a dropshot im6 loveing it


Posted By: 1more
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 8:55pm
6kg on one of the shimano charter specials, works well for me. plus a couple of 3kg on spinners, great for reef/beach. 



Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 10:39pm
1 and 2 kg - spin outfit is a Okuma VS30A reel on a Offshore 1-2 kg rod
1kg - Overhead outfit is a Ryobi ultralight rod coupled with a Abu 5600 reel
 
2 and 3kg - Spin outfit is a Okuma VS40A reel (different spools) on a Okuma X Factor soft bait rod.
2kg - Overhead outfit is a Abu 5600 reel on a Composite Developments Baitcaster 2 rod.
3kg - Overhead outfit is a Shimano TR1000LD reel on a Offshore Rods 4-6 kg rod.
 
4 and 6kg - Spin outfit is a Okuma VS40A reel on a Berkley dropshot softbait rod.
4kg - Overhead outfit is a Shimano TR1000LD reel on a Offshore Rods 6-8 kg rod.
6kg - Overhead outfit is a Shimano TR2000LD reel on a Offshore Rods 8-10 kg rod.
 
8kg - Spin outfit is a Shimano 4500B baitrunner on a Offshore Rods 8-10 kg spin rod.
8kg - Overhead outfit is a Shimano TLD15 reel on a Offshore Rods 10-15 kg  rod.
 
A bit of good advice for guys who are wanting to get into light tackle fishing is rather than buying new rods and reels, just use your soft baiting rods and reels and get spare spools for the reels and use those for your mono.
 
My 3 soft baiting outfits are Okuma VS40A reels on soft baiting rods of varying strength and they make great light tackle mono outfits. I can fish 2 to 6 kg mono on them. In total I have 9 spols for these 3 reels, 3 with light braid, one with heavier braid for soft baiting around the bricks and the other 5 have mono of varying weights from 2 - 6 kg.
 


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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2013 at 11:12pm
Not really a light tackle expert but I've done lots of kahawai fishing on one and two kg and a lot of snapper on 4kg which isn't really a big test unless its big snaps and small kings at least on 6kg but a couple of points spring to mind:

An overhead has a tendency to swallow line if it has big clearance between the spool and the frame. Especially if you're a master bird nester like myself. Probably not a big issue on modern gear but my otherwise faultless Penn Mag 525 tends to do so. Well it is a Penn Big smile

Catching even a 2kg ky on 1kg meant two fish absolute max (talking mono of course) and the top 20m of line would be buggered after the old in and out through the guides. I'm guessing the choice of guides would be all important for ultralight.


Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 8:25am
Originally posted by Grunta Grunta wrote:

If you want a Light Tackle sub-forum just 'thank' this post and if we can get some indication of reasonable interest then I'll set one up........   I guess 'the Work-Up' is the most appropriate place but input welcomed.  Could have a hall of fame and the whole 9 yards. 

Thanks to Moocha for PM'ing me with the request.Thumbs Up
 
Cheers Grunta, would be a great place to share idea's, knowledge and experiences.


Posted By: sappercatcha
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 1:21pm
Originally posted by Marligator Marligator wrote:

1 and 2 kg - spin outfit is a Okuma VS30A reel on a Offshore 1-2 kg rod
1kg - Overhead outfit is a Ryobi ultralight rod coupled with a Abu 5600 reel
 
2 and 3kg - Spin outfit is a Okuma VS40A reel (different spools) on a Okuma X Factor soft bait rod.
2kg - Overhead outfit is a Abu 5600 reel on a Composite Developments Baitcaster 2 rod.
3kg - Overhead outfit is a Shimano TR1000LD reel on a Offshore Rods 4-6 kg rod.
 
4 and 6kg - Spin outfit is a Okuma VS40A reel on a Berkley dropshot softbait rod.
4kg - Overhead outfit is a Shimano TR1000LD reel on a Offshore Rods 6-8 kg rod.
6kg - Overhead outfit is a Shimano TR2000LD reel on a Offshore Rods 8-10 kg rod.
 
8kg - Spin outfit is a Shimano 4500B baitrunner on a Offshore Rods 8-10 kg spin rod.
8kg - Overhead outfit is a Shimano TLD15 reel on a Offshore Rods 10-15 kg  rod.
 
A bit of good advice for guys who are wanting to get into light tackle fishing is rather than buying new rods and reels, just use your soft baiting rods and reels and get spare spools for the reels and use those for your mono.
 
My 3 soft baiting outfits are Okuma VS40A reels on soft baiting rods of varying strength and they make great light tackle mono outfits. I can fish 2 to 6 kg mono on them. In total I have 9 spols for these 3 reels, 3 with light braid, one with heavier braid for soft baiting around the bricks and the other 5 have mono of varying weights from 2 - 6 kg.
 
 
and i thought i had to Meany rodsLOL


Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 2:04pm
Marligator.. very smart way to do it if you can get spools cheaply. most of your rods tend to be a lil higher than ths bs of the line. is this due to say running 1/2 bs drag as opposed to 1/3 bs drag. so running 3kg line the same as most using 4kg line?


Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 3:08pm
Wow great thread , I love light tackle fishing , where I am there are a number of fish for light tackle , one silly thing I do is chase GTs on light tackle , well light for GTs , Saragosa 8000, 20 kg rod [ CTS ]  , 50 lb braid yea I here you, not light , but believe me it is on GTs , best to date 25 kg , Sams small poppers , another great fish is Queenfish , 6 kg braid 6 to 10 kg rod Saragosa 4000 , in the harbour small GTs ,  4 kg braid , Saragosa , 3 to 4 kg rod  , Deep water , Nannygai ,Shimano Sedona 1000 , 4 kg braid , 4 to 6kg rod [ CTS ] , and the list goe's on .


Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 4:13pm
Some good oil already appearing, we just need a few more punters to thank Gruntas post above as an indication of interest to start a sub forum on this topic Thumbs Up


Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 4:23pm

few more still required chaps.



Posted By: twistermc
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 4:40pm
I love being run around the rocks by kawhai on my 1kg outfit while waiting for the kings to show!
I think the commotion is likely to attract the bigger predators too!
It is great how bait fish can put up good fight when given a sporting chance!


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Posted By: dirtyharry
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 5:51pm
My 4kg outfit is a an overhead, ducro 10 which casts nicely and is set up mainly for inchicu fishing with braid.  Have done snapper to line weight on it so far and can't wait to tackle a legal kingi or a skippy, very nice drag and plenty of capacity for such a small reel.  The rod is a T-curve revolution, not too sure about this longterm so any suggestions are appreciated.

DON'T LAUGH, my 3kg setup is a FX2500 and a Eclipse, $60 from kmart, I've got two of these reels after breaking one rod, one with 3kg stren braid and one with 3kg maxima mono.  I've caught Snapper to 8lbs and an 8lb porae on it and a few rats too. I believe Moocha got a bit moist on a rat kingi with it during the Nats, ****e drags just take more finesse Wink  I said DON'T LAUGH, I will be upgrading as funds allow and advice flows in from this thread.

And if Mooch gives foot rubs in the front cabin then where was mine?


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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 6:25pm
Originally posted by dirtyharry dirtyharry wrote:

And if Mooch gives foot rubs in the front cabin then where was mine?
 
Who said anything about feet?LOL


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Posted By: Bigfishbob
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 6:43pm
Originally posted by dirtyharry dirtyharry wrote:

My 4kg outfit is a an overhead, ducro 10 which casts nicely and is set up mainly for inchicu fishing with braid.  Have done snapper to line weight on it so far and can't wait to tackle a legal kingi or a skippy, very nice drag and plenty of capacity for such a small reel.  The rod is a T-curve revolution, not too sure about this longterm so any suggestions are appreciated.

DON'T LAUGH, my 3kg setup is a FX2500 and a Eclipse, $60 from kmart, I've got two of these reels after breaking one rod, one with 3kg stren braid and one with 3kg maxima mono.  I've caught Snapper to 8lbs and an 8lb porae on it and a few rats too. I believe Moocha got a bit moist on a rat kingi with it during the Nats, ****e drags just take more finesse Wink  I said DON'T LAUGH, I will be upgrading as funds allow and advice flows in from this thread.

And if Mooch gives foot rubs in the front cabin then where was mine?
Save yer Money mate, you already know that rods don't have to be flash. Upgrade yer reel by all means. I've done full circle and for light tackle am just as happy to use almost any rod that looks like it will do the job. When fishing light nylon you need a rod with a bit of give.

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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 08 Mar 2013 at 11:19pm
I kind of disagree  BFB, I once bought a Shimano FX2500 ($35 dollar reel?) on a Jarvis Walker 4-6kg spin rod that was in the bargain bin at KMart, it had a price tag of $10.01 but it had no tip section for the rod. Also in the bargain bin was a tip section for the very same rod for the huge price of .... $10.01 so I got a nice little set for $20.02

I loaded that sucker up with 1kg mono and fished with that outfit for three years, my best fish going 2.6kg (kahawai). While it did the job, the extreme angle of the line through the guides no doubt added a lot to the wear and tear of the line. While it could manage one fish of that size no problem a 4kg kahawai would probably not have gone for a drive in my car. It would have busted the line I'm sure.

A well built rod would probably have been much better suited to it. My best fish on that reel by the way was an eagle ray of maybe 10kg and the reel handled it no problem although it was loaded with 3kg mono at the time.


Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 11:12am
Sappercatcha - I also have a partner and stepdaughter who fish so yes there are a lot of rods and reels but to a certain extent by having various spools for the spinning reels with different line weights you can fish a number of line classes with the same outfit, for example my Okuma X Factor soft bait rod and okuma VS40A reel combo I would quite happily fish 2,3,4 and 6 kg mono line as well as use it as a softbait outfit, with the same outfit.
 
Fishing Addiction - most soft baiting reels now come with a spare spool, also if you go into a tackle shop they often have a spare spool for that reel lying around or just ask on here if anybody has a spare one. I use normal 1/3 drags, but find most rods are overated by about 1 line class, so a 4-6 kg rod I feel is more like a 3-4 kg, I like stiffer rods where you can put some hurt on if you need to, especially if you have a fair bit of string out you want a rod with some guts.
 
 


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Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 11:45am
15 Kg isn't really light tackle for stripies - had 12 on my Tica 30TWs and seen to land as quickly as 24.
We lost one on 10 kg when it jumped on mainline - thought we had it.
Also had an est 80 kg mako take a skippy lure on 6 lb Fireline braid / Tica lever drag SST - just took my time.
Weather can be the deciding factor when to use light tackle.


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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 5:40pm
12 mono roy or braid, if 15 was not really light as you describe many people would be using it specially at comp time for the points funny not alot do and yes 15 may not be light to you but you fish on a twin screw charter vessel bit different from Joe blow who is a weekend warrior.

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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 6:28pm
Originally posted by dirtyharry dirtyharry wrote:



DON'T LAUGH, my 3kg setup is a FX2500 and a Eclipse, $60 from kmart, . I believe Moocha got a bit moist on a rat kingi with it during the Nats, ****e drags just take more finesse Wink

yes mate I had a ball and a box of tissues was required.

And if Mooch gives foot rubs in the front cabin then where was mine?

well you were in the front cabin and no such behavior occurred as you well know... there is a rumored tea bagging which occurred else where on the boat  which I was neither the victim or perpetrator but details are slim although word is there may be a photo of some description ?





Am thinking 4, 8kg and a 10kg set next year what say you savage WinkLOL


Posted By: igfafly
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 7:00pm
Nice to see things moving on a bit in NZ. Recall being shot down in flames a little while ago for suggesting 37kg is way too heavy for the average fish you guys get and took all of the angler and boat skill out of the equation.

We fish a lot of 8kg, proven gear is Stren 8kg, Tiagra 16s, Tcurve 10kg rods. Fish in the 70 - 110kg range, mainly on skip baits, switchbaiting or lives.

Skulldragging on 24 and 37 is boring as bat****. Bring some skill back into the game.

Do you guys have line class categories for tag as well as capture ?

Steve


Posted By: pashy
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 7:03pm
me and couple mates do a sprat rod challenge at easter. Head to warehouse buy a sprat rod under $20 then go fishing. Last year we hit the bricks and got 12 snapper between 30-45cm was classic as! also hooked and landed a rat kingy around 55cm funny as off the bricks with a few beers and not a lot of water! but normally fish 8kg max for anything really but do have kingy rod onboard...

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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 8:36pm
Originally posted by igfafly igfafly wrote:



Skulldragging on 24 and 37 is boring as bat****. Bring some skill back into the game.

Do you guys have line class categories for tag as well as capture ?

Steve

caught a lot of marlin and no matter what line I have used I have yet to find a fish boring what I did find boring was watching a show where they were catching marlin both black and striped on spinning reels calling it light tackle sport fishing and yes it was sport fishing but then lifting the caught fish from the water to hold for a photo and being able to hold them up with one hand, never really say the skill in that.

no we dont have line class for tagged only weighed, was a reason I pulled all the 15k gear and went back to 37, same points same funWink and a healthy release.


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Posted By: Bigfishbob
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 9:17pm
Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

I kind of disagree  BFB, I once bought a Shimano FX2500 ($35 dollar reel?) on a Jarvis Walker 4-6kg spin rod that was in the bargain bin at KMart, it had a price tag of $10.01 but it had no tip section for the rod. Also in the bargain bin was a tip section for the very same rod for the huge price of .... $10.01 so I got a nice little set for $20.02

I loaded that sucker up with 1kg mono and fished with that outfit for three years, my best fish going 2.6kg (kahawai). While it did the job, the extreme angle of the line through the guides no doubt added a lot to the wear and tear of the line. While it could manage one fish of that size no problem a 4kg kahawai would probably not have gone for a drive in my car. It would have busted the line I'm sure.

A well built rod would probably have been much better suited to it. My best fish on that reel by the way was an eagle ray of maybe 10kg and the reel handled it no problem although it was loaded with 3kg mono at the time.
 
No worries Smudge, we're not actually disagreeing mate. The point I was trying to make, albeit not very clearly,  is that there are alot of pretty decent rods around at the moment at really great prices. The cheapy he has at the moment may not actually be that bad. HOWEVER, their actions vary alot and you still need to shop around. Buying a more expensive rod doesn't necessarily get you a better rod when it comes to light tackle.


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Posted By: Bigfishbob
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2013 at 9:27pm
Originally posted by igfafly igfafly wrote:

Nice to see things moving on a bit in NZ. Recall being shot down in flames a little while ago for suggesting 37kg is way too heavy for the average fish you guys get and took all of the angler and boat skill out of the equation.

We fish a lot of 8kg, proven gear is Stren 8kg, Tiagra 16s, Tcurve 10kg rods. Fish in the 70 - 110kg range, mainly on skip baits, switchbaiting or lives.

Skulldragging on 24 and 37 is boring as bat****. Bring some skill back into the game.

Do you guys have line class categories for tag as well as capture ?

Steve
Agreed mate, Have caught a few Stripies on 37kg meself and it's been pretty much a lett 'em run and wind 'em in sort of deal. Have to say the Stripies I've caught drifting livies at the kings on 37 made me work a bit harder. I think most guys have switched to 37 these days as a precaution against a Blue getting involved. It seems to me that a lot of comps these days don't do the points thing based on line weight. Major prizes go to heaviest or tagged fish so people are just fishing 37 and being done with it.
 
Although I haven't caught a Marlin on 15 myself, I've never really regarded 15kg as light for them either. 10Kg or less is more what I would have though was light a tackle.
 
Doesn't really matter though chalenging yourself to fish and actually land fish on lighter and lighter tackle is what's all about. If you normally fish 37kg, then catching your next on 24 is light tackle.


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Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 7:01am
Originally posted by Blue Asparagus Blue Asparagus wrote:

12 mono roy or braid, if 15 was not really light as you describe many people would be using it specially at comp time for the points funny not alot do and yes 15 may not be light to you but you fish on a twin screw charter vessel bit different from Joe blow who is a weekend warrior.
15 kg mono, Steve. I also have another Tica 30TWS with braid. 
Had 2 on 15 kg (TLD25) on a 15 ft tinnie. Actually a trailer boat can chase down a fish pretty well.
We got 2 on 15 kg last trip and wished I'd taken my 10 kg outfit. (6 of the 10 were on braid)


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Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 2:48pm
Just as easy to run up the line as it is to back down on the fish BA. 


Posted By: Panga
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2013 at 3:29pm
I have done a little bit of light tackle stuff, and still do most of my fishing on 3kg gear, my daily rod and reel combo is a saltiga15 with a carbontex drag washer and a Kojak Custom 3kg acid wrap rod.
For 1 kg I use a Daiwa spinning reel in 1000 size that daiwa imported for me and the rod is a Kojak custom built on a Zero wieght fly blank.
For 2 kilo I use a Daiwa Branzino on a Kojak custom rod and for overhead a shimano tyrnos 8 on a fully rollered Kojak custom rod.
I have spin and overhead up to 6 kg ,
For marlin I use Penn 16VSX reels on Kojak custom rods built on Jigstar blanks (fully rollered with aftco lights.We troll with a set of 5 of these, and they hook up real good.

I agree 15kg is not really light tackle, but people have to start somewhere, I am happy to offer any advice to people on light tackle fishing and the gear used to do it, you may lose the odd fish (less than you think), but its really rewarding and good fun.
Great to see some interest in this side of the sport
Peter Pakula loves light tackle marlin fishing and has been a big help to me in the past.


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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 1:24pm
How do you find that over head 2 Kg set up Panga ? 
 
Have you made any drag of modifications to the reel or is it just stock ?
 
 


Posted By: too much
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2013 at 2:21pm
I DO ALOT WITH 3 KG LINE ..GOOD FUN ..9.8 KG ALBICORE BEST FISH TO DATE ON THE OUT FIT ..WANT TO TO TRY FOR MAKO ONE DAY  A BIT OF FUN..CALCUTTA 400 REEL AND KILWELL 2 TO 4 KG ROD 

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Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 10:27am
My 1st thoughts with light Tackle would be to upgrade El Donna to this ! !

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Posted By: igfafly
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 11:15am
Have not found that going light means fish are released to die - most of our stripeys on 8 are done within 45 minutes to an hour - and that includes a day of 5 off Port Stephens fishing with Peter when he got his Australian record of 110 or 111kg on 8 in a double hookup....none of the 5 took more than an hour. Releases swam away healthy and kicking strongly.
Steve
 
 


Posted By: Panga
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 11:24am
Originally posted by Moocha Moocha wrote:

How do you find that over head 2 Kg set up Panga ? 
 
Have you made any drag of modifications to the reel or is it just stock ?
 
 
Alwyn (Big Als rod and reel repairs) sets up all my reels, he made some modifications to the tyrnos drag system to maximise it for the required line class, the fully rollered rod is hard to beat for light tackle fishing, although you can get away with SiC guides(which I use on quite a few rods.
New line every season is important as 1-3kg line deteriorates quickly.


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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 11:25am
thanks steve, hey how much do you do on fly as in Marlin fishing, would be keen to hear about it

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Posted By: Panga
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 11:30am
Originally posted by igfafly igfafly wrote:

Have not found that going light means fish are released to die - most of our stripeys on 8 are done within 45 minutes to an hour - and that includes a day of 5 off Port Stephens fishing with Peter when he got his Australian record of 110 or 111kg on 8 in a double hookup....none of the 5 took more than an hour. Releases swam away healthy and kicking strongly.
Steve
 
 
Yup 45-60 minutes seems to be our capture time on 10kg, we chase them going forward in a walk around sport fisher.


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Posted By: igfafly
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 12:51pm
As much as I can mate - depends on crew but most guys I fish with even if conventional guys have caught enough marlin on the heavier gear and are into the excitement of switchbaiting and don't mind giving it a go on fly. A few of them can drive too so I get to toss string. Only when we get newbies onthe boat we go conventional to give them a taste but ideally I prefer to make up crews only of fly guys.
 
Bluewater fly is uncharted territory for most fly fishos - problem is most fly guys don't know anything about marlin, teasing them, chasing them etc. so if I choose only fly guys they have no clue and can't conceive of even getting such a fish on fly so it is an education process and I have to have conventional guys on board who do know about marlin - and then I have to also ensure they get the odd fish to keep them happy.
 
My big problem is my boat has been out for a bit with turbo's, flex plate and now a rebuild on one side - should be in the water this weekend finally - not that I missed much over here as the season has been a shocker - still a lot of summer left though so hope to be giving it a good nudge before we get into the tuna and makos again over winter.
 
Steve


Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 1:06pm
Lance you can buy that boat and the mothership that goes with it for less than $1mil! DO IT
 
I have been in the same marina as the old french look for the last 4 years on and off. I even got to drive the G&S for 15 mins back in 09 when it last got launched. 

http://www.buyexploreryachts.com/yacht-expedition-perfect-life165-report.html
those photo's were obviously taken a loong time ago as it hasn't moved in years


Posted By: igfafly
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 1:15pm

Geez - I would go the G&S and be done with it !!! Sweet ride.

 
Steve


Posted By: NZTurtle
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 1:25pm
Have been looking at 4 kg mono on my curado 200 dhsv with carbon drag and a 4-7 kg offshore soft bait setup. Was looking for using on mahi mahi specifically for the toots small boats and then harbour snapper. Any thoughts on this as a setup?

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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 6:57pm
Originally posted by Panga Panga wrote:

Originally posted by Moocha Moocha wrote:

How do you find that over head 2 Kg set up Panga ? 
 
Have you made any drag of modifications to the reel or is it just stock ?
 
 
Alwyn (Big Als rod and reel repairs) sets up all my reels, he made some modifications to the tyrnos drag system to maximise it for the required line class, the fully rollered rod is hard to beat for light tackle fishing, although you can get away with SiC guides(which I use on quite a few rods.
New line every season is important as 1-3kg line deteriorates quickly.


Did he sort it so that it doesn't sound like a coffee grinder (as they seem to sound from standard) ? Is the handle still the same length or after market  (with slightly longer throw).


Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 8:01pm
Hell Yeah ! ! That would be the go alright :) parked up at Tom Bowling ! !  

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Posted By: Panga
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 10:38pm

Im pretty sure the handle is a stocker, I dont remember either of my tyrnos 8s sounding too grindy, the avet sx is a great light tackle reel also, black majic bought out a light tackle drag kit for them a few years ago, they were not very water resistant, but they worked bloody well when they were kept in good order.

Essentially you can fish down to 4kg on just about any old reel and rod combo, its when you go lighter you need the trick gear.


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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 12 Mar 2013 at 10:44pm
Originally posted by BlackBill BlackBill wrote:

]Hell Yeah ! ! That would be the go alright :) parked up at Tom Bowling ! !  

be proud of what ya got mate you have a nice boat that you can park up at Tom Bowling Smile


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Posted By: igfafly
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 1:05am
Lucky you guys can park anywhere at all - mine is parked at some marina half on it's side waiting for rebuild to be dropped in !

Don't know if the misses knows it but she is not going to see much of me after that - got some lost time to make up out on the shelf !

Steve


Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 11:38am
Here’s my set-up for lighter line classes -  I have a Duel Speedy 12 with 4 spare spools and use that for 2,3,4,6,8kg options. Takes a minute to change the spool and you're fishing another line class. That reel only gets used for light tackle and Swordfish Steve keeps in in tip-top condition. At 6.1 it has a great rate of retrieve if you're chasing a fish.

Spools go in some cut-down old beer coolers and then in a katmandu zipper thingy to protect them.

I use an Offshore custom for the lighter line classes 2,3,4 and a Saltiga for 6 and 8 as it’s got a bit more grunt. Used all sorts of rods over the years and think you can be a bit flexible on what you use. The reel, line and knots etc seem to be far more critical in determining sucess.

Use  milk bottle/s of water. 1L = 1kg to set drags & use a bit of masking tape to mark the drag setting so I accurately know what weight I have on the fish.

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Posted By: Don18025
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 6:49pm
Really enjoyed this discussion, and I can set up my gear to tackle the big fish. Have the reels and rods......Thinking of my Avet SX on a Starlo soft bait rod, with 4 kg mono, which should do the trick.
Amy comment about the right boat and the best boat tactics when one hooks the biggie?
My concern is that my 30 footer is a little slow. but I might learn that someone has some slow boat tactics.....or should I tow a 12 footer for fishing?


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 8:24pm
Originally posted by Don18025 Don18025 wrote:

Really enjoyed this discussion, and I can set up my gear to tackle the big fish. Have the reels and rods......Thinking of my Avet SX on a Starlo soft bait rod, with 4 kg mono, which should do the trick.
Amy comment about the right boat and the best boat tactics when one hooks the biggie?
My concern is that my 30 footer is a little slow. but I might learn that someone has some slow boat tactics.....or should I tow a 12 footer for fishing?

what we have decided on doing mate was driving down on them like they do in trailer boats would certainly beat trying to back up, have set up the outrigger lanyards so that they can be unclipped in a second and lifted up out of the way, as the prop walk is to starboard we will fight any fish off that corner as for marlin will only chase down on gear less than 10 and stationary on the rest using the walk to keep me stern on


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Posted By: muppetshow
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2013 at 8:38pm
Originally posted by Don18025 Don18025 wrote:

Really enjoyed this discussion, and I can set up my gear to tackle the big fish. Have the reels and rods......Thinking of my Avet SX on a Starlo soft bait rod, with 4 kg mono, which should do the trick.
Amy comment about the right boat and the best boat tactics when one hooks the biggie?
My concern is that my 30 footer is a little slow. but I might learn that someone has some slow boat tactics.....or should I tow a 12 footer for fishing?
 
never try to fish light tackl in a single screw boat in reverse unless the fish is gagging out or has made a serious mistake, boats are designed to go forwards, drive yr angles know the drag you have on the line and be patient, ifyou get a shot no matter how quick have ago it only hurts for awhile, any boat will do its gettin the bite and then takin your opportunity, in nz not many have the cash to spend on a specifically designed light tackle boat, accept the challenge of a non customised boat


Posted By: Don18025
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 9:06am
GOT it BA and muppet.
Many thanks, will give it a go next season.


Posted By: igfafly
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2013 at 11:19am
Given that you would be switching on the light stuff presumeably the hookup would be right in close anyway so you have a headstart - circles the way to go to get the hook to stay in as you can't put that much pressure on 4 or 6kg to stick J's in. Circles hold better.
 
Since you are teasing and the fish should be hot you can go heavier on the leaders and should do so - also make them as long as you can so when you get the fish close you have as much advantage as possible.
 
Liveys make this more tricky as you need to use lighter trace to get the bite sometimes.
 
Also - pitch smaller baits if you can, piper, slimeys or Jack Macks - hookup is better than with bigger stuff.
 
Steve


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2013 at 12:26pm
Another MX turned up today along with some south Californian drag cams, what a nice wee reel, wider than the other one and mighty pretty.
Thanks to the AVET Supplier I also have some other info on the Raptor series, it may just come down to running these with either 30 or 50lb braid on them and doing away with the every heavy Tiagra's, these raptors and no not the big game reels hold a sht load of line.
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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2013 at 12:33pm
Oh now that looks the ticket- how much line did you get on them mate ?


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2013 at 8:14pm
lots mate am very happy with them if we get to the kings next week they will get a work out, you know I will be thinking of you at work mateBig smile

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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2013 at 8:42am

Crabatats at the Kings Teddy would be proud  LOL



Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2013 at 9:21pm
well I/we gave the little MX Avet a run over Easter what a great little reel scored all sorts on it from snaps and Kings to Skippies and albies one went close to 20lb which was a hell fight, whipping the braid off it presently and filling with mono for the kight tackle comp coming up and fitted to the Bossman 250 was a great little setup

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Posted By: Twocan
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2013 at 8:33pm
Originally posted by Blue Asparagus Blue Asparagus wrote:

well I/we gave the little MX Avet a run over Easter what a great little reel scored all sorts on it from snaps and Kings to Skippies and albies one went close to 20lb which was a hell fight, whipping the braid off it presently and filling with mono for the kight tackle comp coming up and fitted to the Bossman 250 was a great little setup

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Posted By: MATTOO
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2013 at 5:10pm
Can't believe I missed this thread. My favourite fishing. When I was a wee chap my parents got fed up with hauling in fish so xmas came and we got rods from farmers 3' long and whatever reel and line came with it in our xmas stockings, each of generally got three rods as they didn't last long. A tradition that carried on for years, Funny as sin and extremely competitive.
Been fishing 6lb - 12lb for most of my life. Not a fish eater just like the game.
Will be following this thread with interest. 
Current best rod I'm using is a medium dropshot from composite developments matched with a C14 stradic or curado baitcaster. I have fun.


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Posted By: MATTOO
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2013 at 6:38pm
I would like to ask now in reading some posts, what trace weights do you use in conjunction with the line weights. Is there a guide or rules that you are conforming to.


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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2013 at 9:42am
no rules for us mate just a small bite leader mine are either 50 or 80lb and about 1m long some of the boys were using 15 to 40lb fluro and there did not appear to be any difference in hook ups and landed fish

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Posted By: dirtyharry
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2013 at 7:37pm
I'm mostly using 15, 20 and 40lb fluro depending on line weight and target species.  Generally the fish will reef you and trash the main line first, though I had a good snapper bite thru a 60lb leader on light tackle - tears were shed


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Posted By: dirtyharry
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2013 at 8:05pm
Just got my new Avet SX5.3 with light tackle drag cam, the drag arm is very well thought out with a stop at "not quite freespool" and a light push to go to full freespool, a nice touch to prevent birdsnests when stroppy fish are at the boat.  It's paired up with an Offshore 4-6kg o/h rod for 6kg bizzniss. Bring On The Season!!!!!



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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2013 at 10:28am
awesome mate, yip Cam is a top bloke alright, full of knowledge and very helpful

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Posted By: Wikipeter
Date Posted: 12 May 2016 at 11:22pm
Looking for a light tackle set up and found this gem! 

Looks like i'll try put together a 4kg set up of an Daiwa SL20, 8lb mono and Rod TBC. 

Anyone got any recommendations on a good rod to pair with the Daiwa? Was thinking maybe one of the new Veritas or once I can figure out which Saltist to order maybe get one of them to finish the set. 



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