Attaching a leader
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Printed Date: 09 Jun 2026 at 5:29am
Topic: Attaching a leader
Posted By: Kevin.S
Subject: Attaching a leader
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 5:30pm
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OK, I have 80lb braid on the reel and I have some black magic 100lb supple trace to attach to it. If this was a softbait setup I'd tie a double in the braid with a spider hitch and then attach the leader with a 5-turn surgeon's knot. But all the advice for popper or jig fishing says to use a PR knot. Why is this? is it because of the thicker line, or is there some other reason. Would the softbait type approach work, or is there some reason it would fail? |
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Posted By: tjm
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 6:09pm
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I ve learned to tie the PR knot (easy after you wrk out the procedure) I was told its because the other knots end up with the mono crossing and causing a weak spot where the PR doesn't. For larger fish for me the extra effort is worth it especially on kings ------------- Cant beat hunting and Fishing in N.Z |
Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 6:13pm
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maybe not fail, but with the added line diameters It'll prob cast like a pig thru the guides.
Search FG knot on here, there's been plenty of discussions and there's vid's and stuff online.
Easily tied, low profile, high knot strength.
Either that or a short PR knot (not a long one that'd be used for jigging)
it's all about minimising the knot size for casting.
The aussies use some other knots chasing GT's, but I'm not up to the play on that.
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Posted By: tjm
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 6:14pm
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Yeh makes sense, The PR is a ncie slim knot if tied correctly ------------- Cant beat hunting and Fishing in N.Z |
Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 6:27pm
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just pr knot it. easy to tie. goes back and forward through guide's great ------------- www.assassinsportsfishing.com www.facebook.com/assassinjigteam |
Posted By: NZ Critter
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 6:37pm
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PR or FG knots.
I use the FG cos I dont have a bobbin
look up "FG KNOT" on youtube
TightlinesTV do a good instruction vid
After a couple of pratices at home I had it down, its not hard once you get the hang of the twist
dont use anything that creates a bulky knot.
trust me watching a $50 popper sail through the air after the knot caught while casting & snaped like a bit of cotton
depressing  ------------- "AOTEALURES" Hand Crafted In NZ |
Posted By: tjm
Date Posted: 06 Feb 2013 at 6:50pm
Good old U tube, can find out how to do almost anything, I was shown the PR by an expert but found an excellent demo on the tube to learn it properly ------------- Cant beat hunting and Fishing in N.Z |
Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 7:53am
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Now it makes sense, both PR and FG knots don't need the leader to be doubled up and so are lower profile. Is there anything to choose between the PR or FG? They look about the same to tie (I do have a bobbin, so could try either). But I think it would be easier to tie an FG on a boat if I ever needed to, so is that the better one to learn? |
Posted By: corokid
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 8:10am
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I went FG. Main issue being trying to keep line tight whilst tying , using that triangle method . Then i came accross the you tube clip where the guy had the braid from tip of rod , tie a small loop with double overhand knot, this is purely to hook over handle of the reel. Using a little drag pressure you can pull braid out to form triangle ( like bow and arrow) Tighten drag a bit so it dont slip, then you can keep tight say by hooking one finger around braid, freeing up the rest to feed the trace, almost simple as platting. Dont have link to post , but maybe someone on here can come up with that. Very important to keep all turn tight as you go, the bonus being the best place to tie is with your rod in rod holder  Oh yeh dont forget to cut the tag end that is attached to the reel handle, not the other bit 
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Posted By: Sufishent
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 8:49am
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What's the collective thoughts on wind-on leaders? ------------- You can never have enough fishing tackle |
Posted By: hogdog
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 11:49am
| I use modified allbrright and have had no issues and knot goes through guides good, i just double the braid |
Posted By: Tipper
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 2:17pm
easy, after you have smacked yourself in the face with a bobbin 50 times  THEN its easy; practice makes perfect ------------- Please make sure you have the full 'witty' Plug-In installed on your Internet Browser, or the default 'half-witty' output may affect your profile |
KingySlayer wrote:Posted By: Tipper
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 2:28pm
This one Dave?? I use it all the time, even on the softie setup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu18iKA2IdQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu18iKA2IdQ ------------- Please make sure you have the full 'witty' Plug-In installed on your Internet Browser, or the default 'half-witty' output may affect your profile |
Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 2:41pm
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Posted By: KingySlayer
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 3:14pm
Classic... Blame it on the MRS mate, dont say you were struggling to tie a KNOT. haha. Seen some good faces in my time of people trying to do the PR knot. Tongues half out and one eye closed as if they are they looking down a site aimed at the next prey. Hell you do it that much i sometimes even PR Knot my Inchiku / Softbait knot. Casts so well. But then when i cant be arsed the old Yaktan comes in handy ------------- www.assassinsportsfishing.com www.facebook.com/assassinjigteam |
Posted By: corokid
Date Posted: 07 Feb 2013 at 4:01pm
Yep that the one Tipper, Also use it softbait set up . Listening to the music  Like being stuck in an elevator
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Posted By: Potty
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2013 at 7:26pm
 Both the FG & PR knots are pricks to tie when in the heat of the battle. Invented a simple one a few weeks ago, seems really good (nicely put to the test on it's second outing yesterday). Will let you guys in on it after a bit more testing.------------- Love fishing, love my job. It's a bloody shame that they clash. http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 09 Feb 2013 at 7:41pm
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I found this method to be real easy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4GCH6i5L2I The only thing is to keep the tension the braid has to be tight round your little finger and it rubs on your first finger too. It's OK as long as you don't want to tie lots of them at a time. I did three for practice and I wouldn't want to do many more, I suppose you could wear gloves if you wanted to tie them all day long. |
Posted By: memnoch
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2013 at 10:29am
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After trying to tie my braid to leader and failing because I could get line tight enough, i came across this way of tying FG knot. I found it super easy to tie and good demonstration. Similar to the guy tying it to the handle above that corokid mentioned. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQfeq0XaUzw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQfeq0XaUzw |
Posted By: Tipper
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2013 at 10:49am
 but no jazzy music!------------- Please make sure you have the full 'witty' Plug-In installed on your Internet Browser, or the default 'half-witty' output may affect your profile |