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Topic: Eating raw fish
Posted By: Plow
Subject: Eating raw fish
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 11:19pm
I have been eating raw fish in NZ for a while now, my aunty commented the other day that most NZ fish have parasites and should be cooked before eating. I think that's just a shame, Trevally, albacore even snapper is just awesome with Japanese sashimi soy and some wasabi.

Do others here eat raw fish locally caught, noticed any 'parasitic effects', wwhatever that could be?

Just scoffed some Trevally.... Yum yum.

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Posted By: SufixRockMan
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 11:35pm
Unless the fish is caught in brackish water or has some visible infestation I wouldn't worry about it.


Posted By: ycha223
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2013 at 11:40pm
Originally posted by NoSchist NoSchist wrote:

Unless the fish is caught in brackish water or has some visible infestation I wouldn't worry about it.
+1
 
Raw (sashimi) snapper, travelly, yellowtails, pipers are the best. Tried to sashimi kahawai once it was a total failure - the flesh was too stiff to eat better cooked.


Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 12:11am
How do you deal with the piper?

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Posted By: BananaBoat
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 12:13am
Wash your Kahawai fillets till the water stays clear (no blood) then try it raw fish island style.... bloody good mate


Posted By: corosanta
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 3:39am
Parasites in NZ raw fish? Never worried about it for the last 6 decades.


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Posted By: lingee
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 6:49am
piper off with head and split and gut out , lay fish and open up then roll over with a bottle or rolling pin . lift out bones cook or eat raw .


Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 8:00am
never heard of it being a problem. 
skippy and kingy are two of my favs.


Posted By: smizz
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 8:01am
i dont owrry about it. i tend to eat off the snapper frames as im filleting if i missed a little

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Posted By: full sacks
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 8:26am
all food is bad dont touch the stuff, its in the latest uni study,smells shocking after use.


Posted By: 1more
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 10:14am
let the stomach sort it out. 


Posted By: Structfab
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 11:07am
I'd trust NZ caught fish more than most other places. Sounds like BS right there. Never had an issue and have no problem with my daughter scoffing it down. If there was any sign of parasites or infections I wouldn't eat it....raw,cooked or otherwise.


Posted By: master baiter
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 11:56am
[QUOTE=Structfab]Sounds like BS right there. Never had an issue and have no problem with my daughter scoffing it down. QUOTE]
 
x2, Have eaten both NZ and Samoan fish Species all my life and Im still here annoying my family!LOL 
My kids love Raw fish and sashimi aswell


Posted By: Cmonfishy!!!
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 3:26pm
I've been eating NZ fish raw and cooked for many many years and it has not been an issue ever.
The only thing that may have an effect on eating fish raw is if the catch is not properly stored either on ice or in a cool place immediately after capture...


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Posted By: Tone E
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 4:46pm
I'm not eating raw barracoutta, otherwise tuck in. kahawai is fine sashimi. All fish is best left whole sitting upright in salt ice for 24hrs before eating sashimi style imho


Posted By: Jwest
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 5:24pm
We sashimi alot of fish including yellow tail and kahawai. Wash it all in salt water and add wasabi and soysauce hmmmm. Even Piper pretty good too but pain in arse to debone, keen to try that rolling pin technique though Lingee. I have heard some fish carry parasites in their gut so always good to clean asap if planning to eat raw.


Posted By: Raiz
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 7:49pm
whos gonna be the first to post up a "how to" thenWink   would like to see some dishes on this tbh..


Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 8:14pm
Originally posted by Raiz Raiz wrote:

whos gonna be the first to post up a "how to" thenWink   would like to see some dishes on this tbh..
 
How to ??????????? would be a rather short thread as is basically any really fresh oily fleshed fish that has been treated well ie iki spiked, chilled, filleted asap once flesh has set then trimmed of any "dark" meat as well as bones then sliced thinly on the diagonal.
 
Serve on a chilled plate with a small shallow dish of Japanese soy ( kikoman is good ) a dob of wasabi paste to smear on along with some pickled ginger.
 
Best eaten with hashi ( Japanese chopsticks ) lightly smear with wasabi, dip in soy add a bit of ginger then enjoy ..... nothing could be simpler.
 
IMO the best species for sashimi roughly in order of preference :-
Tuna
Trevalli
Kingfish
Slimey Mackeral 
KY
Yellowtail ( korehu ) but need to be a reasonable size.
Finally non oily species such as snapper, gurnard, blue cod etc.
 
Quite a bit of confusion seems to exist as to what constitutes sashimi as many mistakenly think of marinated fish that has not been cooked with heat as being a form of sashimi or raw fish, whereas it has actually been "cooked" in the acidy marinade of lemon/lime juice or vinegar etc.
 
Raw fish is just that ie raw.
 


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Posted By: Tipper
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 9:54pm
Trevally is good - crunchy firm texture convinces even the sceptics
I agree with ToneE, well chilled 24 hour fish is better than straight from the sea
a squeeze of lemon/lime as you eat it is a good change from Bazza's soy

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Posted By: bliss time
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 10:12pm
Prep the fish ready to eat then leave in fridge 24 hours, suppose to kill the parasites.


Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2013 at 10:17pm
lemon lime yuck it will kill any flavor the fish has...just use soy and your good to go... nom nom eat em up

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Posted By: ycha223
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 2:23am
Originally posted by bazza bazza wrote:

Originally posted by Raiz Raiz wrote:


whos gonna be the first to post up a "how to" then   would like to see some dishes on this tbh..
 How to ??????????? would be a rather short thread as is basically any really fresh oily fleshed fish that has been treated well ie iki spiked, chilled, filleted asap once flesh has set then trimmed of any "dark" meat as well as bones then sliced thinly on the diagonal. Serve on a chilled plate with a small shallow dish of Japanese soy ( kikoman is good ) a dob of wasabi paste to smear on along with some pickled ginger. Best eaten with hashi ( Japanese chopsticks ) lightly smear with wasabi, dip in soy add a bit of ginger then enjoy ..... nothing could be simpler. IMO the best species for sashimi roughly in order of preference :-TunaTrevalliKingfishSlimey Mackeral KYYellowtail ( korehu ) but need to be a reasonable size.Finally non oily species such as snapper, gurnard, blue cod etc. Quite a bit of confusion seems to exist as to what constitutes sashimi as many mistakenly think of marinated fish that has not been cooked with heat as being a form of sashimi or raw fish, whereas it has actually been "cooked" in the acidy marinade of lemon/lime juice or vinegar etc. Raw fish is just that ie raw. 



Snappers are also great sashimis :) although some parts of the fish may be tough the best parts should be its tummy!

with KY always bleed first before eating or else the taste is bad (smells quite bloody). i agree with all those you listed but for KY...maybe i wasn't preparing it probably..


Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 9:10am
Originally posted by bliss time bliss time wrote:

Prep the fish ready to eat then leave in fridge 24 hours, suppose to kill the parasites.


When I was living in Sweden, I ate loads of raw salmon sashimi style. It's was Norweigian farmed salmon and it was widely known that it should be frozen first to kill all the parasites that exist in their flesh. Keeping it in the fridge won't kill them IMO. If salmon can live in zero degree water and parasites still exist in their flesh after killing the fish then I don't think a 4 degree fridge would do anything to parasites. Which is why they always said ( even top chefs said this) the fish needs to be frozen for 24 hours before eating raw. All sushi salmon was briefly frozen before being served. I think it was even law for restauarants..

So do NZ fish have parasites? A breif look at a few google sites seemed to suggest so. Do they effect us and how do they effect us the other question?

Thanks for your responses so far.





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Posted By: BONKERS
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 9:17am
I think everyone needs to try Mullet in there raw fish it is a delight, and John Dory is alsome with sum soy sauce, parasites in fish id let the stomach sort it out


Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 9:54am
ohh couple there i hadnt thought about bonkers i bet the jd is devine.
hmmm i dont mind still warm skipjack about a minute out of the water sliced wafer thin dipped in a mixture of soy and wasabi , more wasabi than soy.
  in the past have lived in houses in the bush line that draw water supply straight from the creek and just recently fished to dead birds out of my water tank so in probably hardened to all sorts of parasites and the like .
wot dont kill ye makes ye stronger and more hungry.




Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 10:18am
Originally posted by Plow Plow wrote:

Originally posted by bliss time bliss time wrote:

Prep the fish ready to eat then leave in fridge 24 hours, suppose to kill the parasites.


When I was living in Sweden, I ate loads of raw salmon sashimi style. It's was Norweigian farmed salmon and it was widely known that it should be frozen first to kill all the parasites that exist in their flesh. Keeping it in the fridge won't kill them IMO.



 
Are you referring to the Swedish national dish gravlax or sashimi.
 
Technically they are different kettles of fish ( no pun intended ) inasmuch as sashimi is simply freshly caught chilled then thinly sliced to be eaten raw.
 
Gravlax is also sliced thinly but the similarity ends there with it being heavily marinated primarilary with dill & salt then kept in the fridge for several days between heavy weights to further compress it
thinner & larger in size. It is often eaten on a platform of bread or cracker type biscuit with a thin spread of a light mustardy tartare type of sauce.


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Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 10:25am
geez that sounds bloody nice .
 kina on crackers is another goody.


Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 10:49am
Originally posted by bazza bazza wrote:

Originally posted by Plow Plow wrote:

Originally posted by bliss time bliss time wrote:

Prep the fish ready to eat then leave in fridge 24 hours, suppose to kill the parasites.


When I was living in Sweden, I ate loads of raw salmon sashimi style. It's was Norweigian farmed salmon and it wrzas widely known that it should be frozen first to kill all the parasites that exist in their flesh. Keeping it in the fridge won't kill them IMO.




 
Are you referring to the Swedish national dish gravlax or sashimi.
 
Technically they are different kettles of fish ( no pun intended ) inasmuch as sashimi is simply freshly caught chilled then thinly sliced to be eaten raw.
 
Gravlax is also sliced thinly but the similarity ends there with it being heavily marinated primarilary with dill & salt then kept in the fridge for several days between heavy weights to further compress it
thinner & larger in size. It is often eaten on a platform of bread or cracker type biscuit with a thin spread of a light mustardy tartare type of sauce.



Nah Bazza, raw salmon non marinated. 'gravad lax' as it is called in Swedish is bloody good too I ate it by the ton. If you want something freakish try 'sur strömming' which is fermented herring fillets on thin bread, sour cream, chives and potatoe thinly sliced, not for the weaker stomachs...

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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 11:01am
Originally posted by Plow Plow wrote:

Originally posted by bazza bazza wrote:

Originally posted by Plow Plow wrote:

Originally posted by bliss time bliss time wrote:

Prep the fish ready to eat then leave in fridge 24 hours, suppose to kill the parasites.


When I was living in Sweden, I ate loads of raw salmon sashimi style. It's was Norweigian farmed salmon and it wrzas widely known that it should be frozen first to kill all the parasites that exist in their flesh. Keeping it in the fridge won't kill them IMO.




 
Are you referring to the Swedish national dish gravlax or sashimi.
 
Technically they are different kettles of fish ( no pun intended ) inasmuch as sashimi is simply freshly caught chilled then thinly sliced to be eaten raw.
 
Gravlax is also sliced thinly but the similarity ends there with it being heavily marinated primarilary with dill & salt then kept in the fridge for several days between heavy weights to further compress it
thinner & larger in size. It is often eaten on a platform of bread or cracker type biscuit with a thin spread of a light mustardy tartare type of sauce.



Nah Bazza, raw salmon non marinated. 'gravad lax' as it is called in Swedish is bloody good too I ate it by the ton. If you want something freakish try 'sur strömming' which is fermented herring fillets on thin bread, sour cream, chives and potatoe thinly sliced, not for the weaker stomachs...
 
I found any of the trational salted fish vitually inedible due to the overpowering level of salt which of course historically was the method they used for preserving fish so over the centuries the Scandanavians have built up substantial tolerance to salt but not so this Kiwi ..... besides a lot of the Swedish beer served with it does little to help the situation being largely less than 1% alc. therefore little wonder they are allowed to drink it at work even to the extent of bring trolleys of it around for the workers.


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Posted By: Jwest
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 11:13am
Originally posted by Plow Plow wrote:

[QUOTE=bliss time] Prep the fish ready to eat then leave in fridge 24 hours, suppose to kill the parasites.
Which is why they always said ( even top chefs said this) the fish needs to be frozen for 24 hours before eating raw. All sushi salmon was briefly frozen before being served. I think it was even law for restauarants..
 


Not sure to what degree NZ fish have parisites or how much they affect us, in japan they generally eat most sashimi as fresh as possible. This kind of thing not the norm for a feed of sushi/sahimi but not unusual..

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Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 5:53pm
Bazza the light beers are 2.2 %, never saw much(if anything) under 1%, , never had anyone serving them to me on a trolley but there's a great idea.. Medium beer is 3.5% and strong beer is anything between 5 and 9% which is what you'd buy at the pub, even the standard beers we get here which are 4 to 5% the same beer in Sweden would have a percent or more extra... Not saying they aren't anal about alcohol the governement run systembolaget is an example..

Anyways, back to subject....

I think my Aunty is wrong, and we can eat NZ fish raw no worries, I've been doing it for years and haven't noticed anything much........     ... Yet.





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Posted By: Ab_Fab
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 10:36pm
"I found any of the trational salted fish vitually inedible due to the overpowering level of salt which of course historically was the method they used for preserving fish so over the centuries the Scandanavians have built up substantial tolerance to salt but not so this Kiwi ..... besides a lot of the Swedish beer served with it does little to help the situation being largely less than 1% alc. therefore little wonder they are allowed to drink it at work even to the extent of bring trolleys of it around for the workers."

Jesus Bazza, as some one that has lived in Sweden for many years and has a Swedish wife I have been with for more than 20 years I can confirm all of the above is complete and absolute crap! Please try to at least talk about something you have some knowledge of (which I suspect is not fishing!)

Ab


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Posted By: I_caught_a_Paketi
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 10:44pm
Agree with the comments in here about Kahawhai. Its the only fish i really do raw and its beautiful. Bleed properly that is. But then again i allways marinade it in a few secret herbs and spices like colonel sanders.
 
As for parasites. Ive never even thought bout it. Didnt even know common fresh fish had them.


Posted By: tmmo
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 10:54pm
Your stomach is meant to be pretty acidic isn't it? I wonder how many parasites can surive that...


Posted By: I_caught_a_Paketi
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 10:59pm
Originally posted by tmmo tmmo wrote:

Your stomach is meant to be pretty acidic isn't it? I wonder how many parasites can surive that...
 
Tis true. We produce hydrochloric acid in our stomach. Not sure a ocean parasite will enjoy that much. LOL


Posted By: the angler
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 10:59pm
me and the kids smashed a plate of raw kingy slices fresh of the frame with soy and wasabi this evening courtesy of pirate , washed it down with a few stoke golds . bloody beudy mate. 


Posted By: Daniel K
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 11:14pm
My family own a sushi store in Tauranga, we dont serve sashimi or anything of the like but when we had a store in hamilton Dad used to with a specialist Japanese chef that worked with us. The species that dad loved to eat were: Piper, Tuna, Kahawai and especially Albacore. I personally don't like the stuff. Raw fish just feels funny in the mouth. 

The way that Dad used to prepare it was by first immediately bleeding the fish, then keeping the fish fresh and cold with salt ice was the next priority. When we got home we'd gut and filet it but there were certain parts that he really enjoyed. This was the stomach flap area where i think there was a decent fat content. 

After all the fishes were cut into decent rectangular steaks he'd wrap them up in a nice cloth to soak up the little moisture that was left on the outside. Then he would proceed to wrap them up in a paper towel and then gladwrap the hell out of it and put it in the refrigerator overnight. That was the process for fish that he and ma didn't have straight away anyway. 

I'm sure there are plenty of methods though but i think that the important thing is that they are bled immediately and put under ice. 



Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 11:22pm
Originally posted by Ab_Fab Ab_Fab wrote:


Jesus Bazza, as some one that has lived in Sweden for many years and has a Swedish wife I have been with for more than 20 years I can confirm all of the above is complete and absolute crap! Please try to at least talk about something you have some knowledge of (which I suspect is not fishing!)

Ab


I was gonna say pretty much that myself Ab.. Thought I did we'll to keep it to beer...

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Posted By: I_caught_a_Paketi
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2013 at 11:32pm
On a similer subject. Does anyone know why tuna allways taste so dry?, and why it tastes so different from every other type of ocean fish?


Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 12:47am
Originally posted by I_caught_a_Paketi I_caught_a_Paketi wrote:

On a similer subject. Does anyone know why tuna allways taste so dry?, and why it tastes so different from every other type of ocean fish?
cooked i take it? if so your over cooking it. cook tuna till it is just barely cooked on the inside..


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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 10:45am
Originally posted by Plow Plow wrote:

Originally posted by Ab_Fab Ab_Fab wrote:


Jesus Bazza, as some one that has lived in Sweden for many years and has a Swedish wife I have been with for more than 20 years I can confirm all of the above is complete and absolute crap! Please try to at least talk about something you have some knowledge of (which I suspect is not fishing!)

Ab


I was gonna say pretty much that myself Ab.. Thought I did we'll to keep it to beer...
 
Firstly would like to say I really enjoy Swedish food in general & having worked for a Swedish company for almost 20 yrs had ample opportunity to partake of it.
 
I stand by the comments re the salty fish such as I was served on a couple of occassions which were herring like things that had been preserved in salt according to historic tradition & I had been forewarned accordingly .... not suggesting for a moment that all fish served there is the same probably a very small percentage in fact.
 
Obviously I don't know as much about Sweden overall as you guys but I know what I know therefore stand by my comments even tho I do not have a Swedish wife however have had a couple of Swedish girlfriends that taught me about a few things other than food & beer. It also follows that I possibly might know a little bit about fishing despite being a slow learner after doing it for over 40 yrs including in Sweden.
 
Regards the beer .... as you both will be well aware alcoholic drink is taxed according to the alc content
which is the reason most spirits are an exhorbitant price particularly if imported such as Scottish whisky. The very low alc beers were freely available to the workers in there canteen ( where the salted fish was an option ) also brought around in trolleys for the workers to partake of during working hours.
Maybe it was little more than root beer but tasted like beer apart from the very low alc content.
 
Was also amused by the way hundreds scooters were used by personel to move about plant then left there when they arrived where ever they were going for the next person to use & appeared to be an efficient method of getting about.
 
Also altho they seem to have an extremely low industrial accident rate you will be aware that there does not appear to be a lot of emphasis on personal safety gear such as exists here & many other countries. It appeared to me that altho safety gear was freely available wearing it was not always enforced even tho a lot of the workers were females.
 
I obviously do not know as much about Sweden as you guys but I do know what I know & stand by it & to clarify repeat .... not all fish is still salted a very small % in fact & not all the beer is very low alc. 


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Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 11:32am
no worries Bazza.. will leave it there. This isn't a Sweden competition, was more interested if anyone knew anything about parasites in the flesh of NZ raw fish.

I have done a bit of reading in the last few days. And what I think I have worked out is that parasites include things like worms.. so the human stomach wont kill them, that's how worms do their cycle and why things like threadworm need medication. Cattle drenches another example..

The other thing I have worked out ( I think) is that nearly all parasites live in or around the gut cavity, gall bladder etc.. and well, why would anyone eat that raw. 

Of course barracuda have worms in their flesh, and they make good bait and thats all..

seems pretty safe to eat the flesh of raw NZ fish....   good news.



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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 11:36am
Originally posted by Plow Plow wrote:

no worries Bazza.. will leave it there. This isn't a Sweden competition, was more interested if anyone knew anything about parasites in the flesh of NZ raw fish.

I have done a bit of reading in the last few days. And what I think I have worked out is that parasites include things like worms.. so the human stomach wont kill them, that's how worms do their cycle and why things like threadworm need medication. Cattle drenches another example..

The other thing I have worked out ( I think) is that nearly all parasites live in or around the gut cavity, gall bladder etc.. and well, why would anyone eat that raw. 

Of course barracuda have worms in their flesh, and they make good bait and thats all..

seems pretty safe to eat the flesh of raw NZ fish....   good news.

 
All good ........ fine with me.


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Posted By: master baiter
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by BONKERS BONKERS wrote:

I think everyone needs to try Mullet in there raw fish it is a delight, and John Dory is alsome with sum soy sauce, parasites in fish id let the stomach sort it out
 
Totally agree with you Bonkers, Mullet is a very underated fish. some think its only good for bait. but if you get them fresh enough, the flesh is firm and oily and the fat in the belly flap area is just devine! Went to restaurant at the Langham Hotel in Auckland and tried john dory and Hapuka sashimi for the fist time. I swear I will never Cook another john dory or puka ever again! Tasted bloody goodThumbs Up


Posted By: Pork Hunt
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 3:04pm
tapeworms are awesome for weight loss, better than anything Jeenny Craig could ever come up with.
 
how do i go about getting one of these fish worms?


Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 3:12pm
Japanese traditionally rubbed wasabi into raw fish flesh for 1. it tastes good, but 2. it has natural antibacterial properties, as does ginger and soy sauce which is full of salt. This was important in days with no fridges or salt ice. And, we are talking wasabi, not horse radish coloured green. Wasabi is actually hard to come by and is friggen expensive when you do.

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Posted By: Fish Tales
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2013 at 3:12pm
Worth a read
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