3 Kings Gear
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Topic: 3 Kings Gear
Posted By: Twocan
Subject: 3 Kings Gear
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2012 at 10:25pm
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I am thinking about a trip to the 3 Kings and $$ wise it is at the extent of my capability. It is a combination of big game and kings/puka. Jigging wise I currently have a Tyrnos 16 ( too heavy really but I know that) and a Daiwa Monster Mesh 300grm PE 6-8 currently spooled with 50 lb braid. Would this set be sufficient if I got it re spooled with 80lb for the 3 Kings? Cheers ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: carlostairua
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2012 at 8:09am
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Def going undergunned with that mate I'd take a bare minimum of 2 decent 80lb sets with a lot more capacity on the reels.
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Posted By: JIMMY NAIL
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2012 at 11:23am
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It depends on the boat you are going on and what fish you plan to target. Marlin is 80w's
puka and kings are 30w or 50w (or something similar) for bait fishing
80lb braid
jigging: you will need 2 or 3 top quality 80lb jigging reels with matching rods. 400/500gram rods
with plenty of 400-500 gram jigs.
Go to Yeehaa and ask for John, he will sort you out.
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Posted By: otter
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2012 at 2:57pm
| pls wear safety gogles |
Posted By: Twocan
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2012 at 7:29pm
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Cheers for the replys. Thought that might be the case. Hmmm might have to sell some things. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: swordfishsteve
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2012 at 7:42pm
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Hey Twocan Best to call around to my place 99 Market Rd, Epsom, or call me 021 975 471 and I will sort you out with the right gear without breaking your bank or needing a new mortgage overdraft, cheers steve
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Posted By: DeKay
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2012 at 8:14pm
| Im off to the kings next march. Will be jigging a couple of days. Need to buy some new gear, I prefer a light set up if possible. I have a jm pe4, talica 12. Thinking of buying an accurate 600n or nn. Or jm pe6. Or even a pimped diawa. Spooled with 80lb. For rods my existing js250 , kojak acid , jm150 and buy a js or jm 350. Could go to 400 but that could be too broomstick like. Thoughts ? |
Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2012 at 9:28pm
If your taking those light rigs to the 3 kings take lots of jigs...you will need them,if the kingfish dont reef you the sharks will get the fish,or if your lucky 60 kgs of bass will end the pain real quick ------------- 2009 and 2010 BERKLEY SOFTBAIT COMP CHAMPS,Runner up 2013 ( solo),winner 2013/14 longest kingfish nz fishing competition |
DeKay wrote:Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2012 at 9:43pm
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Great advice of2fsh, most skippers that take party's to the 3 kings hate "light" sets of jigging gear. Just like taking a pea shooter to a gun fight, gunna end in tears and not good for the fish either towing around all that braid etc Bit different if are a super experienced jigger and you and skipper are on the same wave length. Im back there in April and smallest rated rod i will take is a 333 Grey Ghost, largest a MCWorks 538xxh (elephant gun)  -------------  www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2012 at 10:11pm
My 1st trips were with a 300 kojak ,learnt some valiable lesons along the way,as great as that rod is it looked very average at times,last year i took a daiwa spin set and enjoyed that.i reckon for your 1st trip up there you want to start off with a elephant gun then move down as you get your eye in.some of the fish on the middlesex were so harassed by sharks they fought very hard,a smallish fish gave a very good fight and had you thinking 30 kgs then up popped a 18kg fish.. ------------- 2009 and 2010 BERKLEY SOFTBAIT COMP CHAMPS,Runner up 2013 ( solo),winner 2013/14 longest kingfish nz fishing competition |
Posted By: Grampa
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2017 at 3:17pm
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He Guys, Any boding using the CD NANO 250-400 for jigging/live bait looking at budget heavey rod for the 3 kings. One Spin on a Stella 14000 One overhead on a Accurate BX500N (currently on a killwell 250 Talon) One Spin on a Fin Nor 9500. What other option have people used? Kings only will bottom drop a 50W. Cheers |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2017 at 9:42pm
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most of what you named will be undergunned except the 9500 with PE8. Unless you have about 300m of PE6-8, you might be struggling. I can recommend the Jig Star Ninja Spin MH around $500 for the 9500. You won't buy better at any price. Stella 14000 will match Jig Star Ninja Spin ML. I think BX500N will take 300m PE5 - while considered light, might be OK so long as you tell Lance it is 100lb! Match this reel to Jig Star Ninja ML around $450. These rods represent probably the best bang for bucks. 3 Kings is a very special place and will punish weak inadequate tackle. You are spending big bucks for a life-time experience, don't skimp on the very gear you hope to land that monster on. Ninja Spin MH -  ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: Rocksteady
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 8:50am
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Can some explain why PE6 would be inadequate - surely this line is not going to break? Even under immense drag pressure (if I could imagine holding onto 18kg or 20kg of drag) there's still a big buffer between this and breaking point? Honest question as I'm heading to the kings next week and will be jigging with a Dogfight and a Saltiga 40Z - both spooled with PE6. Have a Stella and Twinpower 10000SW for topwater, both spooled with PE6 also
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Posted By: Browza
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 10:15am
| Also interested in this as I'm heading to 3 kings in a few weeks. Taking a saragosa 20k pe8 but was planning on using saragosa 10k with pe6 as a back up |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 10:32am
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Both trips i have done to the 3 Kings, the heaviest line i have used is 100lb tasline(abs of 139lb) but all jigging gear has been using pe6 Daiwa saltiga boat braid(abs 94lbs) and never got dusted once but got close a few times. As long as you are confident in fishing pe6 to the max, it would be ok but naturally, pe8 is better( more margin for error) Have a great trip guys ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 10:25pm
In a straight pull you are unlikely to break PE6. But you will be jigging in the real world where you will have less control of the way you jig, stand, control and fight in big seas with brutal fish. You will get crossed lines which will cut through braid like a razor, if you survive that, then any unseen heat damage will manifest in an "unexplained" bustoff on what might have been your dream fish. With lighter and thinner braids, the tolerances are smaller. A thicker line (PE8) will be more reliable than any super PE6 because of the greater abrasion resistance that comes with thicker line. Personally, I wouldn't fish with any overhead that isn't a dual drag. Dogfight, Stella and Twinpower should be OK so long as you understand you are taking a PE6 knife to a gunfight. Oh and take some spare braid too. Good luck at the Kings, tell us about it when you return. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2017 at 10:27pm
yep, gosa 20k should be ok. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: Grampa
Date Posted: 21 Apr 2017 at 12:02pm
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Okay thanks for the advice. I have gone with:
Jig Star twisted sister MH Accurate BX500XN Slammer PE8 @ 250 meters. Jig Star Ninja MH Stella 14000 PE6 300 meters. Also have PE6 top water rod for setup. Spare PE6 and PE8 braid. |
Posted By: PE Pete
Date Posted: 03 May 2017 at 8:06pm
Now ya talking PHIL.... How did you get on? ------------- Tight lines PE Pete |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 03 May 2017 at 9:36pm
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Chris wong-Personally, I wouldn't fish with any overhead that isn't a dual drag. Got you Chris...what about an OJ ? I love my OJ's.Regarding the braid debate....if any of your braid touches a rock......your ****ed whatever strain it is....but PE 8 or 80 pound has more "Scope" like Chris says. The 250 metres is cutting it a bit fine.......especially with some of the deeper drops @ the kings. Will be interesting to hear his feedback.
 ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 10:12am
Good point LBD, OJ4000P and its variants would be the only star drag exceptions. The OJ4000P is at least 12 years old now and I heard they are no longer imported here or made anymore. So any OJ's on the used market are worth snapping up. Readily available overhead reels are Accurate BX, JM PE and Maxel Transformer (avail soon). These days, 80lb is PE6 and should come with a warning for the 3 Kings. PE8 is 100+lbs which will bring a smile to Lance's face. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: Rocksteady
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 10:54am
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This happened on the best fish of my trip, half way up the water column. I knew I should have gone JM...   |
Posted By: Nomis
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 1:03pm
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Personally, I wouldn't fish with any overhead that isn't a dual drag. Dogfight, Stella and Twinpower should be OK so long as you understand you are taking a PE6 knife to a gunfight. Oh and take some spare braid too. Good luck at the Kings, tell us about it when you return. [/QUOTE]
Hi Chris - can you tell me your reasons as why? .. most lever drag reels only run a single drag system Including the "jigging" orientated reels, Shimano Talica / Tiagra etc which are proven design beyond doubt. Same as the diawa LD range. ------------- I'll act my age when im 69 |
Posted By: OuttaHere
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 3:37pm
Not to put words in his mouth but the Talica (and most single-drag reels) just doesn't get close to the drag output of the specialist twin-drag jigging reels. The issue is always going to be squashing the pinion bearing, unless you run a thrust bearing or angular contact bearing there's only so much drag you can actually get from a given friction area before the pinion bearing gets crushed and turns the reel into a pepper mill. Talica 16 at 18kg vs, say JM PE7 which is in the same ballpark size-wise but will make almost 40kg of drag - if you believe JM, which I don't, but I expect it should manage 25-30kg buttoned down. For people who want to just lock it up on 100lb braid and can deal with getting completely railed hanging onto that much drag that's a useful feature. And this is coming from a very happy Talica 25 owner who would love a bunch more Talicas. |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 4:50pm
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I think Rozboon put it very nicely. Drag power is the main issue for 3 Kings reels. There are other side features which I like in those particular reels such as - longer power arm, ergonomic t-bar handle, narrow spool, gear ratio. These are my personal likes in a jigging reel for the 3 Kings. Single-drag "jigging" reels might be adequate in other countries but we are talking the 3 Kings here. You only have to look at the reels that serious jiggers are choosing and their reasons. Don't be surprised to find we share the same reasons and reel choices as my own. I have done 14 Kings and 10 Ranfurly jig-only trips so I have developed some firm experience-based opinions - but, I could be wrong. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 04 May 2017 at 4:56pm
hard to see, but did the screw strip out of the main shaft or did the main shaft snap? The BX reel has the biggest, baddest main shaft of any jigging reel. It is massively strong. I think a case of bad luck mate. Too bad it happened on a monster fish but only big fish break gear. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 2:35am
------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Rocksteady
Date Posted: 05 May 2017 at 5:37am
| Pump and wind mate... I never wind unless I've got a lift. Reckon it was a faulty part or else there was a crack in the shaft already. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 06 May 2017 at 2:16am
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[QUOTE=Rocksteady]Pump and wind mate... I never wind unless I've got a lift. Reckon it was a faulty part or else there was a crack in the shaft already.[/QUOTE Fair enough bro but you can bet that plenty have ****ed arms in just such a way
 ...Previous owner or faulty part as you say........Hope it doesnt break the bank for you dood..------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 06 May 2017 at 2:26am
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I have done 14 Kings and 10 Ranfurly jig-only trips so I have developed some firm experience-based opinions - but, I could be wrong. This is discrimination and out of balance Chris.......Ranfurly has been neglected in favour of the Three kings...Thats just not on....You need to put that right Chris.....let me know when you plan to redress this issue.....I will bring all my jigstar stuff ...Promise ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 09 May 2017 at 1:19pm
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Hahaha... Ranfurly is a tough place to fish and work keeps me at home. 3 Kings dates are a better time of year for me. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: Grampa
Date Posted: 03 Jun 2017 at 7:26pm
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High guys had a great trip. Pretty rough weather wise. Bit limited on time at mo. Gear held up we mainly live baited the islands. Biggest kings went 34kg,33kg,32kg,30kg,29kg. 250m is not enough line for the banks heaps for the islands. More to come! |