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Topic: cricket
Posted By: Barrie
Subject: cricket
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 10:30am
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Ive played and followed cricket since I was 12, thats 48 years. I love the sport especially test cricket. I now wish to stop my love and following of this sport and need help to rid myself of this addiction. Can anyone help or must I remain a sadist (alcohol no longer works) |
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 10:40am
| Support them no matter what, your kidding yourself if you think 4.5m Kiwi's are gonna always compete with powers like India, Oz, SA, England etc. Especially when most of the sporting talent is roped into rugby. Enjoy it without serious expectations of winning and it was not that long ago the Black Caps were knocking over India easily at home much harder over there even England got clouted by India too. |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 10:46am
On a brighter note we have some of the world's best Kilikiti players perhaps the recruitment gurus from the Black C mailto:Cr@ps" rel="nofollow - r@ps should look there....
just saying
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Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 12:16pm
I'm in the same boat as you Barrie but have only been around half as long .Its actually quite depressing. I watched the night before when Southee was ripping through there top order and had them 50 ood for 5, I was thinking holy crap we're actually going to have a first innings lead when we come out to bat again... next minute a 150 run partnership. Its been said before but we are lacking a quality spinner in the side. We need some one in the team who can actually turn the ball. I think this is a biggest problem at the moment. And because we have no spinners in NZ all of the emerging batsmen coming through the ranks have no idea how to play it when they get onto the international stage. How do we get a North Island and a South Island team in the Australian competition cos I think that is what needs to happen.... In return we'll let them field a couple of sides in the ITM cup  . Win win For NZ cricket and Australian rugby.I think Rosco's times up as Nz captain. Give McCullum a crack. Probally wont make a difference but something has to be done. Why wasnt Wattling playing in that test after his ODI form? Surely you want your most inform players on the field. Who's making these decisions? ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 12:42pm
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these top players play overseas a lot so Im not too convinced that the lack o spinners here are totally to blame. We are bowling sides out but do desperately need a couple of spinners. We do have a couple coming through at the moment mind you as we also have quite a few promising quicks. the problem is a mental one with the bats men. McCullum is not an opener, hes suited by 6 or even 7 due to his inability to bat for 30 overs for 20 runs. Guptill could develop into a good opener but is having a bad trot. Williams and (the other ND young guy) have it all in shots but seem to get tempted too often to play stupid shots. They rarely get a life and seem to go early to the first bad decision they make. Taylor has lost a lot of form since becoming captain. To me the guy that should be captain is Van Dyke the keeper.( Is that his name or am I thinking of netball) He show guts for a guy with limited ability and is in a great position to see exactly whats happening |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 12:54pm
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Huge cricket fan here as well and just a sucker when it comes to submersing myself in the woe of the black caps. My personal view is that Brendon McCullum should be captain. It would give him something else to be there for other than just trying to show off and hit 6s. He made an ass of himself when he was given the shot previously but maybe hes learned a little since then. You are right though, hes not an opener when it comes to test cricket. I thought he wanted to bat 4 but dont think Taylor likes him there....wouldnt matter though if he was captain. Get Ryder back in there ASAP. He is the best bit of batting talent we have had in a long long time. No 5 for him. Guptil is a class player just in bad form. Williamson could be decent in time but should be at 6 for now not at first drop. So Taylor therefore at 3. This then leaves the problem of finding another opener (welcome back Lou) and giving Flynn the bad news that there is no room at the inn. Bit of a case of re-shuffling the deckchairs on the titanic but IMHO its a better way of lining up the batting if these guys are truely the best available in NZ. There is still one thing missing though......a spine. This team has been lacking one for so long. How the hell do we sort that ****? ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 1:46pm
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Flynn over Williamson? Both have really great technique but not sure which I would opt for. Maybe Taylor would not last long if his form dost improve. Problem with McCullum as cpt is that he has always shown his lack of control. Last night was just yet another! Hard to tell others to put their heads down when you know its only a matter of time before he has a moment. Test cricket is about time. Wear the opposition down but McCullum wants always to dominate. In limited over cricket, I would have him as captain every time but not tests |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 1:57pm
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Thats why I reckon we should give him the captaincy.....how much worse can it be then what is happening now?
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Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 2:09pm
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And the same can be said about Taylor, I reckon he's played more aggresively than McCullum in his last few innings. Give it to Williamson. It worked with Fleming.
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Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 2:17pm
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test cricket is not a matter of aggressiveness, its a matter of patience. One of the greatest openers that I have seen didnt care so much about runs, he cared about time. To him 6 hours was a minimum. He use to say, the runs would come. Geoff Boycott. Limited over is all about aggressiveness and McCullum is great at that |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 2:23pm
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Wasnt saying to give it to McCallum because hes agressive Barry, more so the added responsibility is likely to compose him a wee bit. The problem with our guys is that I dont think they have the confidence in their team mates to play with patience and that they need to score quickly before they run of our support down the other end. ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 3:01pm
Even in the lost 20/20 series, we didnt do too bad but the rain stuffed us every time even without McCullum and Guptill. Tests are where we need a different mind set and if these guys cant come to terms with it then maybe we need two different batting line ups |
JK wrote:Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 3:13pm
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Its no good batting time if they dont score runs in the process. No point batting all day and only having a hundread runs on the board cos when they do lose a wicket and then a bit of a collapse eventuates as it always does were still screwed. I think they have potential but realisticaly our batsmen just aint in the same class as the South Africans, Australians, English, Indians or even the Sri Lankans or West Indians. It sux but I think thats the reality. Some thing needs to change but what it really is I dont know ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 3:16pm
What different batting line up tho? We've given so many guys a chance but they have all failed. With the exception of Ryder and Wattling this is the best we have. In all forms ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 3:28pm
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You are right 1Daz about the depth of talent. Did you play your self? If you have, you will be aware that even trying to bat time will normally produce 225 to 280 runs a day and that would have to be a gient leap in the right direction. In this last test (that finishes tomorrow  ) 250 in the first innings would have been a lot better and 250 in the 2nd would possibly have won it? |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 3:30pm
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The Black caps just need more practice against hard competition........... I hear the waiheke island womens over 80 first eleven is looking for a match!!
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Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 3:39pm
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Yea I played, I'm saying that they do and have tried to bat time but it hasnt worked for them recently, as they keep getting out. Yea they do need to persist with it but lately i've been getting the impression, particulary from Taylor that they just want to get some runs on the board. Who knows what there really thinking..
------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 3:50pm
| Just a question ... how long between drinks has it been for a Black mailto:Cr@ps" rel="nofollow - Cr@ps win ? |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 4:04pm
orstralia early this year |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 4:17pm
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oh...
Thank god for the womans cricket team saving us some face on the international stage then .
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Posted By: Gerrystackle
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 4:40pm
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The pace bowling stocks for NZ are looking promising. Southee, Boult have played well recently, although Bracewell had a leveler in this game just finished. In the wings are some guys with genuine wheels - Milne, McKay, McLenagahn (sp) and Wheeler - not to mention Wagner and here is a bolter to watch.....Andy Matheson. He sprays it around at the moment but is as quick as anyone else going around - so he has alot of work to do before he steps up. Mean while in the batting we have.................Look, the answer lies with NZ cricket and what they hope to get from the game. T20 and ODI focus has totally stuffed our players confidence in their ability to bat time. Flynn and Williamson have the appitude to do this, Taylor, McCullum and Guptill on the other hand, I'm not so sure. God I would love for them to prove me wrong (actually McCullums double ton vs India a couple years ago probably proves me wrong). Keep an eye on young Ish Sodhi from ND; leg spinner who can bat with talent to burn. ------------- Greg |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 5:53pm
You see thing along the same lines as I do I disagree though about Guptill Yest there are better bats around but his wanting to play county rather than circus tells me his attitude is right CDs coach is Alan Hunt. Alan use to play in my team here in Auckland and was a fast bowler at the time. Later he went on to be a spinner/batsman for Auckland. the great Bishan Bady (I know the spellings wrong) once said he was the best spinner he had seen out side the continent so Sodhi will be in good hands |
Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 9:29pm
 Have read half of this, can have a dazed guess at the rest, but this above is truth. Nothing more except panadol for me in the state of our cricket. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Olfart
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2012 at 11:12pm
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Agree Lou Vincent should be in the frame. He still has a lot to offer and not just his batting either as he is by far one of the better fielders around as well. I think in the past there was an issue or two between Lou and the (then) administration/leadership but things have moved on since then. Problem is..would he be interested? I dunno... ------------- Semper in excreta sumus, solum profundum variat.... |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 12:07am
He and his family live in England dont they? I dont think vincent will play for NZ again. I hope Ryder is in the team for the South African series. ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 6:17am
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Vincent was interviewed on TV1 a few months back and said he would like to play for NZ again. |
Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 6:57am
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Yup hes keen and been playing well...best thing about Lou (apart from his obvious batting and fielding skills) is his attitude to the big boys on the field....wont take crap from anyone, hes quick witted and can sledge with the best. Wont let the occasion get in way of the job. I think he genuinley cares when he plays, not into it just for the money or glory like so many of our current Caps ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Dohboy
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 7:26am
Have you forgotten the All Blacks we compete in that code very well. ------------- www.acewash.co.nz |
Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 7:34am
Dont forget Bangladesh...... . Afganistan will be next ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 7:41am
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Had lunch with Lou last week. Would play for NZ again.
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Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 9:08am
| Wot happened to Dean Brownlie he could play and jamie how? |
Posted By: Gerrystackle
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 9:32am
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Unfortunately Brownlie isn't the best player of spin - something I believe he is working hard on. He is an obvious talent. Watling must be in the frame for the next test. Regarding Ryder - this is a tough one. I have watched, and played, alot of cricket and Jesse Ryder remains to be one of the most naturally talented batsmen I have ever seen. He plays the ball so late, under his eyes and with very quick hands. In short the guys a bit of a freak (like Adam Gilchrest was), when on fire nearly impossible to bowl to. He will play for NZ again soon, but it may not be on the tour to SA. I can imagine the Saffer players and crowd ripping into him verbally, trying to get under his skin and into his head...and thats when issues could (I'm not saying will) arise. Personally I would ease him back into the fold against the Pomgolians when they arrive...home turf...home crowds...who will utterly love having him there and hopefully he will have a gazillion domestic runs under his belt by then. And from there he has the head space and drive to be a force in our side for 2013, 2014 and beyond. But its not up to me. Just my thoughts. ------------- Greg |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 10:06am
Really! Thats very good news. Is he playing for Auckland this season? ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 10:37am
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Gerrystackle He (Ryder) is very talented but he also shows a weakness to being starved of runs. He simply needs the score board to keep turning over quite quickly. For him to be a rearly good test player he will need to learn time |
Posted By: Gerrystackle
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 11:09am
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Barrie - agreed. Rotating the stike is often a way of curbing that desire for quick runs; but in actual fact the accummulation of runs during the course of an over in that manner keeps things running along nicely. It also alters (and can frustrate) a bowlers plans. Its all intriguing stuff. ------------- Greg |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 12:20pm
| thats why test cricket is so different to any other sport and a well fought draw is almost better than a win |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 12:22pm
yeah he is. I was down in Welly late last week and he was too as had a game vs Wellington on the friday night ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Boz19
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 1:01pm
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Ryder is our man. Get him back in there. Could be our best batsman of the next 5-6 year in my opinion if back in the international fold.
Off the booze for a long time now and scoring runs domestically all too easily.
Sure he has made his mistakes in the past but as mentioned by others above he has so much talent, he just has to be in there! Especially so given our very limited talent pool of batsmen...
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Posted By: Gerrystackle
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 1:04pm
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Dean Brownlie is currently on 118 no vs Wellington. Good stuff lad. http://scoring.blackcaps.co.nz/livescoring/match1518/scorecard.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://scoring.blackcaps.co.nz/livescoring/match1518/scorecard.aspx Maybe I'll just follow the domestic stuff instead of the Black Caps - may help me from losing my mind! ------------- Greg |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 2:11pm
| Ryder is our man? i think we need half a dozen men! goodbye jimmy franklin hello andre adams! how about that for a start. |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2012 at 2:29pm
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Adams is now a English man and is available to play for them. He is thought of as an overseas player and is unavailable for NZ OK To me one thing that would help here in NZ is to cut back our domestic sides to 4. Thats not cutting 2 teams out but is "altering" the boundries to make only 4 domestic areas. The main benifit is less bowlers so the quality bowling to batters is greater. If a side has say 4 seamers, probably only one is very good with the others being OK. This should increase the good bowlers to 2 per side making batters have to chose their shots better and also stop easy targets that make average bowlers look a lot better. Will this happen? No as we all would see it as a knock to OUR team is say Auckland became Upper North (taking in ND as well) CD and wellington becoming say lower North. Upper south taking over from Canterbury and Lower south from the dunedin area. The best I would hope for is that the North Island to be devided into 3 not the 4 it is now but even this Im sure wont happen We need to improve the quality of our domestic cricket urgently |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2012 at 9:45am
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Finally what I believe was needed. The concentration and will power to curb the instincts and put the head down. No doubt some will say that they should have scored quicker but this is test cricket and should not be confused with limited over. In order to score quicker as the test progresses, you need to be there and from what I saw, these guys did a very good job. Now that I have shouted their tributes, I hope I havnt given them a death sentence. To be honest, I would love to see them bat 2 more days even if it means a draw, it would go a long way to getting our side to play tests as they should, with patience. |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2012 at 10:24am
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Not fussed about the pace of the scoring - as you say its test cricket but isnt it great to see a couple of the players showing some spine for once. Hopefully one of them can go on to a really big score and allow us to post a decent 1st innings total that will actually put a bit of pressure on the opposition. ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2012 at 11:24am
| Adams qualifies for england? Ok what about How,latham,Cachopa! |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2012 at 12:20pm
How has been tried and failed on several occasions, times up for him Im afraid, real good NZ 1st class bats man but (like Sinclair) cant make the step up. Latham is in the squad and has had a few starts in limited over without showing up..... at this stage. Hes one for the future in my mind though. Cachopa (all three) are talented one day players that can hopefully make the step up into the test arena in the future but are (at this stage) mainly limited over and not proven at 5 days or as we play first class, 4 day 100 over |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 26 Nov 2012 at 7:13pm
Wtf is Van Wyk doing in there ahead of Wattling . This sh*t actually makes me angry.
------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 12:17pm
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Wattling is a part time keeper so if he starts keeping for ND and dose a job that is in the top 2 keepers in NZ, then I to would be happy with him. Van Wyk is the top keeper here in NZ. Hes also a consistent bats man although he failed last night. We need (for test cricket) specialized people in all areas. Its no good putting the fith best spinner in because he can bat better than the others above him. You can get away with things like that in limited overs but not in tests |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 9:06pm
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Disagree Barrie. Wattling is a perfectly fine wicket keeper and would offer a lot more to this team than Van wyk imo, and I dont think your fifth best spinner but can bat better than the rest comment is a fair comparison in this situation.
------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 9:15pm
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respect your thoughts totally but Wattling was only asked to start keeping again last year in limited over cricket. At the time, there was a lot on radio that didnt even know he had ever kept. Personally, I rate him probably in the top 10 batters but Hes probably 6th (in my mind) as far as keeping goes As mentioned, My thoughts only |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2012 at 10:29am
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Barrie it seems van wyk is a part time batsman.Sometimes he can hit the ball but mostly not! I would choose watlings keeping deficiancies over van wyks lack of batting !
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Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2012 at 10:37am
| How do players step up to test level and 5 days when they have never been there? You have to bite the bullet sometimes and blood players, Remeber how marty crowe started in test cricket.... Very poorly! but you have to start somewhere. I think a number of test players have been given more than enough opportunities to perform and now we owe it to ourselves to give other players a chance. By the way cachopa looked good again!! |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2012 at 10:49am
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some figure that may be of interest to you batting average Van Wyk Tests 24 1st class 38 Wattling tests 30 1st class 34 so 6 runs (on average in tests) difference inbetween the two per innings Wattling (at this stage) is a part time keeper that is not quite as quick with stumpings and catches over a specialist keeper. I sincerely hope that Wattlings keeping will improve because he (at 26) still has several good years ahead whereas Van Wyk is 32 (from memory) so is likely to only have a few years left |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2012 at 11:00am
Thanks for that. To me Watling = more runs and more potential, Van Wyk = limited time and potential. so i would like to see him in and playing now ,which could realise his potential earlier. just my view. 
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Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 28 Nov 2012 at 11:52am
I love cricket (just incase you had not noticed  )In TESTS I would always pick the best person in that position and if Wattling improves, I would have him in in a flash. He has got talent but there are better batters out there. I enjoy the other views as it makes me think as well and although most cricket lovers (tests) would pick similar teams, its the couple of other views that makes any discussion enjoyable. We do have a lot of talent a few years away in keepers and bowlers but the batting will still be a bit of a concern. I guess that we are lucky that batters normally have a longer "life span" once these ones develop |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2012 at 12:29pm
It was my understanding that Wattling kept wicket through his age group cricket and into his club cricket. Didnt get the opportunity with ND because McGlashen (unsure?) was there. He did well in the test I saw him behind the stumps for us. First class cricket stats aint the "be all & end all" for a lot of players. Van wyk may have better first class career stats but Wattling is a class above imo. I aint saying he's great, Just that I think he's better than Van wyk. Any way go the black caps! Only 6 more wickets needed and a full days play to go hopefully. And in case any one missed this catch by Kane Williamson to finish off Sri Lankas innings check this out. Its a stunner! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L88mB1oFDQg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L88mB1oFDQg ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2012 at 12:49pm
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Yea Wattling kept at school but kids playing are not the same as guys bowling at 130 plus. Even what a spinner dose is not the same. I do agree that averages are only one part of what should be taken into account in the selection process. I also am a little biased with van Wyk as I love the guts he show in some of his batting. I have no doubt that Wattling will be a better bet once hes up to play again with keeping. The Williamson catch has to be one of the very best I have ever seen in the slips without any doubt at all. Interesting though that when the guys tried to score a bit faster (almost 4 runs an over) they went out to careless shot again, Kane was a good example of that, playing wide. On the other hand McCullum plays better on attack, which is why I like him down the order |
Posted By: Getting jiggy with it
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2012 at 11:24pm
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Its funny no one posts anything when we win, People just like to have a moan or offer there point of view when we're losing. Awesome effort black caps. Any win against a top 8 side on there home patch is a bloody good effort in my book. The bowlers really stood up, Impressed with Astle, A young leg spinner with a lot of potential who's going to be a regular in the team. Not bad with the bat either.
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Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2012 at 7:13am
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Agreed but I didnt want to post simply because every 2nd post is mine I think. The only down side in this whole fantastic win is that we needed to push things along in the 2nd innings and again the bats men went out to shot they should not have played. Yes, the situation called/needed it but I personally would have been just as happy with a draw and seeing the batsmen playing like test players. dont tell Elpescador, but I may be starting to be convinced that Wattling may be an option sooner than later although Van Wyk kept really well. Really good to see Taylor preform as well and although Southee was the best bowler, didnt Boult look very confident. He reminded me of the focus and determination of a young Shane Bond |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2012 at 8:39am
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Give it a chance gettingjiggywithit, you need to remember that this is a fishing site first and foremost and most of us sports fans go other places to speak there mind on sport. Of course the sport chat is more that welcome here though so do keep it up. Also need to factor in that many are probably still expecting to wake up from the dream at any second as it was quite some turnaround by the blackcaps. A huge step up in performance. Just shows the result you can keep when a couple of your batsmen stand up and perform in the 1st innings. Gives the bowlers something to work with and do so with confidence. Personally I was super impressed with Southee and Boult. Bond has done some great work with them and Vaas too appears to have made an impression. I'm not sold on Van Wyk either at the moment. He kept very well (didnt drop a single catch all series) but given how fragile our batting can be, we need more than just a good keeper. I think he had a pair in this last test so am wondering if they may try Wattling in South Africa but its alot to risk on the keeping side of things as we need to take those catches. Decent article on cricinfo rating the NZ players performance over the series too if interested. No real surprises though. ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2012 at 3:03pm
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Hard choice isnt it (dropping Van Wyk) 1 dropped catch could present the batsman with 100 plus runs. I believe that in test cricket you chose the best player for that job. Best openers, best middle order, best keeper, best all rounder and best 4 bowlers for the pitch condition. If Astle keeps improving, all we need is a seamer all rounder. Pitch conditions would then make the decision on which way to go |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2012 at 9:22am
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The Brendon McCullum era at the helm of the Black Caps has begun with a humiliating defeat in South Africa this morning. New Zealand was humbled by eight wickets by their hosts in their Twenty20 international in Durban, with the Proteas chasing down the Black Caps paltry total of 86 with ease. It was always going to be a tall order for New Zealand given the side was fielding four debutantes and playing its first international since the unfolding of the Ross Taylor captaincy sacking just two weeks ago. The absence of Martin Guptill, ruled out of the match with a stomach bug, did not help mattters either. Yet despite the Black Caps' off-field dramas, the fashion of the defeat would have surprised most critics with New Zealand's batting line-up made to look wafer-thin by South Africa's own rookie line-up. The foundation of the resounding loss was laid with the collapse of New Zealand's upper and middle order, with the South African seam battery of Dale Steyn, Ryan McLaren and Rory Kleinveldt reducing the visitors to just 36 for 6 after eight overs. New Zealand's top four of Rob Nicol, Peter Fulton, McCullum and James Franklin managed only 18 runs, ensuring the workload for the new boys would be a big one. There was never going to be a way back for McCullum's men from that point, with only three of the sides making it to double figures. Debutante Colin Munro did what he could at the crease - easing four well struck balls away to the boundary - but ultimately went the way of his team mates; caught and bowled by Chris Morris for 23. With such a rapid fall of wickets, New Zealand's run rate completely stagnated - and despite some maturity at the crease by Doug Bracewell (21 not out) - the visitors were dismissed before seeing out their twenty overs, managing to reach only 18.2. Auckland seamer Mitchell McClenaghan snared a wicket in his very first over in international cricket, with explosive opener Richard Levi (0) edging a clever slower ball to first slip. However, there was little to celebrate for the Black Caps from there on in, with South African captain Faf du Plessis (38 not out) first combining with Henry Davids (20) and then keeper Quinton de Kock (28 not out) to get his side home in only 12.1 overs. The Black Caps and Proteas play two more Twenty20 internationals, in East Lodnon on Monday and in Port Elizabeth on Boxing Day, before a two-match test series begins in Cape Town on January 2. http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8112064/Black-Caps-smashed-by-South-Africa" rel="nofollow - http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/8112064/Black-Caps-smashed-by-South-Africa ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2012 at 9:23am
That was bad ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Getting jiggy with it
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2012 at 11:34am
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Watching the replay of the 2nd T20 at the mo, The South African commentators are pretty bad... They are very critical of the NZ fielding which is fair enough but when a South African fielder makes a cock up its a good attempt lol. We've started our innings well. I dont know the result. ------------- I'm what Willis was talking about |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2012 at 10:35am
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Good game this morning. There's potential.Just have to get rid of Nicol and Franklin.Bracewell should concentrate on test cricket for now.Just to wild.But there's good signs.Cachopa might be a go next time.Taylor will be back. The test will be difficult but a good learning curve. ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: blackboat
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 8:13am
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Just watching some sport news on sky see NZ smashed for 45 bloody pathetic !!! |
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Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 8:46am
ohhhhhh god........ ------------- You cant eat my toast fish |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 8:52am
and que the 'young side'or 'in a rebuilding phase' excuses now
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 9:10am
| What a shambles! |
Posted By: Dohboy
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 9:46am
Not as bad as today ------------- www.acewash.co.nz |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 9:56am
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Started watching last nite at 9:30 pm.Was still laughing at 2:00am this morning. But to be fair it is a strong team but 45 all out.we could at least have gone past the Aussie total of 47 Wonder what Ross Taylor must be thinking ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 10:06am
| Cheer up there have been worse scores.... just |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2013 at 11:35am
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Glad I boycotted the black craps. Taylor would have been having a good laugh last night ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Getting jiggy with it
Date Posted: 21 Jan 2013 at 6:23pm
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Impressive finish by Franklin, Not many would have been expecting that, Getting ahead of my self but we've got a good opportunity to win the series. ------------- I'm what Willis was talking about |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 2:23pm
| Come in Barrie,, Watling is GOOD!!! |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 3:55pm
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after the response I got from NZ Cricket, I simply cant be bothered very much at all. I emailed and knocked the administration and leadership without being personal. I offered no criticism of the players at all and hardly mentioned them. The response was to thank me for my support. They couldnt even be bothered reading my email. I have honestly lost most of my interest in NZ Cricket. I obviously see results and yes, Watling is going well but needs to get a good score very soon. Keeping wise, I havnt seen him keep over there so cant comment Go the Breakers |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 3:57pm
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On the highlights on the news it dose show that even with McCullum having the captianship, hes continuing on his reckless style in tests. I was hoping he would put his head down a bit |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 22 Jan 2013 at 7:44pm
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I dont have a problem with McCullum batting the way he does unless its opening the innings in a test match, Then he's an idiot. Imo he's not an opening batsmen (along with every other batsmen in the country)and I will be very interested to see how he goes batting down the order vs the English. I am looking forward to that series. Go the black caps in the morning but the South Africans are going to be angry! ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Elpescador
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 11:18am
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Well i never, we win the ODI series. congrats Kane Williamson 145 not out!! |
Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 11:47am
| Its a miracle.... |
Posted By: Boz19
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 11:59am
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First time EVER for a series win in the republic. Bit of history witnessed right there. Didn't see that coming at all.
Shows our "bits n pieces" type players are much more suited to the shorter forms than tests.
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 12:25pm
| Well they are apparently targetting a one day win in the world cups which at the same time is destroying the test side. Can't wait till England are here will go to day or two I think. |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 12:29pm
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England is better than Suf Africa IMHO. Worse is to come i fear. But very good series win in SA even if SA had rested some key players like kallis etc.But now i hope they don't tinker too much.What do one do now with Ross Taylor and Ryder? ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 12:32pm
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You get them two back in ASAP. If NZ go Guptil Watling Williamson Taylor Ryder McCullum As an opening 6 batsmen they will be decent. Is Vettori available for test match still??
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Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 12:56pm
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Vettori almost ready for the test. He will improve that side. Guptill needs to concentrate on one dayers. He's not ready or well equipped for the test arena. England is extremely strong although they got thrashed by India on Saturday past
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2013 at 1:12pm
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One dayer though Stevie. England have named a pretty much full stength squad really want to see Cook bat at a ground he is a machine. Back to back Ashes this year too just wicked that 10 tests in a row vs Aussie
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Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 10:27am
Good one Stevie. You made my morning  ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2013 at 1:40pm
In what sense Daz i have quite a few points on here  ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 8:19am
Funnily enough I agree with Stevie We lost the last series sure but I would'nt bet against us winning the next one there.Odds on a 10-0 whitewash over Aussie too that would be just magic. If we did not have to go to Perth that is...
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Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 11:55am
England Suf Africa Cook Pieterson Compton Smith Trott Amla Pieterson Kallis Bell de Villiers Patel Ruldough Prior du Plessis Swann Kleinveldt Finn Morgan Anderson Steyn Pannesar Peterson Sorry guys, Not trying to burst your bubble but I just cant see it. South Africa are the number 1 team in the world. I thought the Ashes were in England this year. I do think they will beat Australia in England. Could go either way in Australia tho imo. ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 12:33pm
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Missing Stuart Broad there for Monty one spinner please. Ashes start in England in our winter and then move to Aussie for round two in spring this year. |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 12:55pm
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Will the England team here be a full one i wonder. Have to be if they are preparing for the ashes.When is the 50 over cup competition in England can't get to the name of it now not the world cup. I wonder if SA rested the big guns for that one. ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2013 at 1:29pm
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Yea, True Muppet. That was their line up in the 3rd test in dusty ol' India. I think the likes of Australia and South Africa are easing their "big guns" into their seasons slowly, These top nations do play so much cricket these days. ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: Downtown
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 2:57pm
| Was a very good morning to watch today. I'll wait to see our batting before saying to much. |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 3:13pm
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F'ing rubbish England! Mind you its meant to rain Saturday and Sunday
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Posted By: Downtown
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2013 at 4:11pm
| I didn't think it would be England hoping for rain though |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2013 at 4:18pm
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Good effort with the bat from the boys, I'm looking forward to seeing what Bruce Martin can do with the ball tommorrow. ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2013 at 4:19pm
Lol, I'm still not convinced Stevie  ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 23 Mar 2013 at 9:18pm
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Daz i humbly apologize i don't do it often. Nah have to admit Safrica is the best by a widening margin. ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 6:21pm
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So close BC you did very well. Best test match i've seen in a while. If England is no2 there's a huge gap between them and Safrica. Hope this team can retain the momentum going forward ------------- ONLY WHEN THE LAST TREE HAS DIED AND THE LAST RIVER BEEN POISONED AND THE LAST FISH BEEN CAUGHT WILL WE REALISE THAT WE CANNOT EAT MONEY. NATIVE AMERICAN CREE |
Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2013 at 6:33pm
| England would normally lose that game NZ played extremely well through the series and England still did not lose. Gutsy effort from the boys and the barmy army are great, NZ go to England in May lets see what happens there.... |