Rapala Magnums
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Topic: Rapala Magnums
Posted By: Catchelot
Subject: Rapala Magnums
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2012 at 3:56pm
I lost a lovely CD magnum 18 to a coutta - I think - last weekend, had a strike...fish on... then was bitten off at the swivel... So today I bought an Xrap Magnum 30...deep diver. What do the experts reckon about these for Kingies? Traditionally I have been running them on 200lb mono leaders with black swivel and snap and doubled mainline above... should I run these on 400lb mono for better protection or will this impede their swimming action? Appreciate any thoughts, advice and guidance.  ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
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Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2012 at 4:06pm
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I'm useless with them Catchelot, I've have a couple, run a number of times each for kingfish, and they look the business in the water, awesome vibration, but haven't caught a thing yet. I would suspect that has more to do with my lack of experience and poor technique than their fish catching abilities. I tried one as a diver to get a marlin lure running below the surface one day just for kicks. Interesting to learn more myself about their use. |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2012 at 4:38pm
Thanks for the reply and thoughts Grant, my understanding (no doubt I'll be slam dunked for this if I wrong)...so best I present that admission now ... is that no marlin have been caught on them in NZ, whereas other countries are succesful ... however I remember many years ago someone losing one I think close in to the rocks on the Coromandel BOP side whilst trying for kingies on a small one on light line...that ended very quickly and in tears...maybe Lethal remembers this?Anyway, maybe the subject should have been bibbed minnow lures...but I guess Rapalas are famous and are a big brand and been around for some time and have been the choice quality ... TB Cont'd
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2012 at 4:57pm
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Run them on lighter line, say 100lb flurocarbon, traces, but have a short say 2ft bite guard of single-strand wire, say 125lb. Have your flurocarbon leader tied to your mainline as a wind-on, assuming you are trolling with braid. Then there will be no need at all for a swivel. Rapalas, or indeed pretty much any minnow lures, are deadly on kingies.    I prefer single strand wire as you can make good, small loops that are much less obvious and more streamlined than multi-strand wire loops, and you can tie them up without having to havecrimps on hand. Have a small swivel on the end of the wire if you want, to tie the flurocarbon on to, or a small solid ring would do just as well. With the aim or reducing the number of bubble-making components in your trace, I personally would have a smallish b/bearing swivel, say a size 4, split ringed onto the lure itself, then the wire trace, to a small solid ring (stainless, not some anonymous muck metal like the surecatch ones you see around the place, NEVER use those with wire, it chews straight thru them!), tie that to your flurocarbon, and you hopefully should be OK. Using a huge leader, like 400lb..... no, no way would I recommend that, it would be humungously obvious and I suspect it would interfere with the lures action. Edit:.... just saw your post above Cachalot. Yes, bibbed minnows have taken billfish certainly, I know of two sailfish that have been taken on halcos in the sollies (not by me dammit), and yes, marlin on stickbaits and minnows certainly. The Bonito type "trembler" lures surely have, the bibbless minnows trolled often for wahoo and tuna, marlin smack them all the time. |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2012 at 5:05pm
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Thanks CA good stuff, so do the NZ kingies not mind the wire as wouldn't use here, but...always listening and learning... In my circumstance above I was using 24kg moimoi mono, short double and uni'd to a black swivel and coastlock snap and then 200lb mono crimped. I fed out enough line to see the lure working fairly deep with the swivel just out of the water, thus what ever bit me off happened when the striking fish took the lure and trace down. ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: jaypeegee
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2012 at 6:18pm
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I have seen couta take off my home made lures instantly these ate 16 cm long ish with belly and tail hooks fricken ****erfish hit the nose and sheared it off so I will be trying the stuff Mark (Scuzzy) has this season for the new gen of sticks i'm making Knot2kinky http://www.actiontackle.co.nz/index1.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.actiontackle.co.nz/index1.html Broke my heart to see on one of the first few casts 20 or so hours worth of work just slowly sink away Another option for ya at least ------------- "You don't have to be smart to laugh at a fart, but you have to be stupid not to." |
Posted By: ELEVAR
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2012 at 6:25pm
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i know in raro, they use the halco lazer pros(simlar thing) allll the time, capt moko has landed marlin on them, and endles amounts of yft and waahoo etc on them! they tie them straight to the double when the yft are thick but when the waahoo around they use wire like mentiond above, cheers zac
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2012 at 10:27pm
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The single strand wire is a little less obvious than the multistrand, at least to my eye it is, and if you are hoping for some protection from teeth, such as coutas, then yes, I am afraid wire is your best choice. Ideally I would say no, just use say 100lb flurocarbon trace, and accept that perhaps the odd lure may fall victim to teeth. Check out the bargain bins in shops everywhere you go too, as often you will find cheap minnow lures in them. FCO had some good cheap 180mm bibbed minnows a while back, like $15ea or something I think, again, they do do the job adequately, and the ouch of losing them is markedly less :-) Certainly I would use lower price lures where you know or suspect coutas will bounce you, save the top shelf lures for safer waters, like in summer etc. Oh, and when trolling around reefs for kings, do not be at all surprised if you pick up the odd good snapper too. Also, maybe see if you can get some of the halco lures, the laser pros with the 8m bib are bloody lethal (no, not you Eric) on pretty much everything that swims, a hugely under-appreciated lure, at least here in NZ. |
Posted By: *stu*
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2012 at 10:41pm
| I wouldn't go above 120lb for rapalas, both cd's and xraps. |
Posted By: jakepitsville
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 6:46pm
| I have 4 of those x raps... cant catch a kingfish on them either... while in the same spread the cd18s have been slaying them. |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 7:01pm
Yeah mate had more luck on CD18's too maybe they prefer the longer sizes... but some others swear by the xraps...so buggered if I know
 ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
jakepitsville wrote:Posted By: crazyfisho
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 8:15pm
| Have caught Kingfish on the newer X Rap 30's, would be interested to try those Halco Laser Pros....will have to try them on some Northland Kingis! |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 8:22pm
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Got any pics or a link of those Crazy? I have a big old Halco Giant Trembler...never caught a sodden thing on it ever! But I witnessed a mate lose a Kingy of a lifetime at Te Kaha on a yellow halco...cannot remember exactly what it was called...so keen to see what those lasers look like. ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: part-timer
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 8:31pm
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I've tried the xrap's and the CDs... I cant say I have ever run them together at the same time.... so cant say for sure what is better... but Ive caught way more kings on the xrap.. and they seem to run better at higher speed than the CDs in my experience. Maybe its like marlin lures... some lures work for some boats... some dont...
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Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 8:46pm
| Al, a mate of mine tagged a stripy off Tauranga years ago on a Rapala Slither. The slither is the long skinny one which is a two piece unit i.e. has a join in the middle. |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 8:51pm
Thanks Vance, well that is surprising as those slithers had small hooks I think...just goes to show eh? Have you had any luck with Alberts on Rapalas? ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: crazyfisho
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 8:55pm
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Sorry Catchelot - I tend to get too exciting when I hook a King, and all the thought about taking photos go out the Window! Still rate the CD18 & 22 as the best Kingi Trolling Lure... We used to Troll the Slither on Kings when they first came out (umm about 15 years ago), but did not have any luck...so went back to the CD18... |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 11:29pm
Just had a dig through my boxes and found one CD 18 with what looks like flimsy 3/0 trebles(so changed them for owner 3/0 Barbless) and two CD22's but these both had double hooks on.....look like a 4/0....so was thinking of changing them out for 4/0 owner trebles(barbless)......anyone tried like this and will it effect their action at all? thanks ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 9:53am
My CD 18 I lost last weekend I put large Owner rings and Owner 4/0 trebles and the action to me didn't appear any different... ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 10:43am
The halco laser pro lures are a real old standard lure. My pref is for the ones with the super deep 8m+ bibs though...  ...oh, and as you can see, they are rigged on single strand wire too.... |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 1:11pm
Thanks for the tips guys....Will be trying one
cd 22 with shogun inline 9/0 jig hooks(singles) and the other cd22
with 4 or 5/0 trebles(barbless).......read that optimum troll speed is 6
knots....will let you all know how it goes ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: phantomdeviant
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 4:42pm
My god!!!!! Have you been fishing??????? ------------- Skirt Pulla |
Posted By: NZTurtle
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 5:30pm
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Do people run with a lefties knot to create a loop so the lure can work? I was thinking the loop would allow the lure to work irrespective of the leader weight? ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 5:59pm
Here are my weapons but it seems the weather has ****ttee on us all... ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 6:03pm
| You're right LBD, the trebles do look little large on that firetiger.... |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 6:18pm
I just use a crimp on mine on a fairly large loop Dave. LBD the top lure is exactly what I lost and had the same size hooks and rings and it didn't seem to effect its swimming action at all... ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 6:53pm
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Those are 5/0 trebles on the fire tiger mind! ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 7:18pm
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Top two are cd 22s. The top one has 5/0 owner barbless on.....the middle cd 22 has 9/0 singles and the bottom one is a cd 18 with 4/0 barbless owners on....funny the 18 looks good with the 4/0 trebles on but like capt says, the cd 22 with owner 5/0 s on look a bit big. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 7:20pm
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Top two are cd 22s. The top one has 5/0 owner barbless on.....the middle cd 22 has 9/0 singles and the bottom one is a cd 18 with 4/0 barbless owners on....funny the 18 looks good with the 4/0 trebles on but like capt says, the cd 22 with owner 5/0 s on look a bit big. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 9:18pm
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LBD man, dude, you're stuttering! :-) I would go for lighter traces, like 100-150lb mono max, looped or not, rather than 400lb mono with a loop. The sheer weight and drag on the heavy 400lb mono will kill a lot of the lures action, regardless of whether it is onto a loop or whatever. Hell, otherwise why not go for a chunk of rope? :-) With the heavy 400lb mono, the lure will still perhaps have a bit of a tremble, but it sure as heck will not have any actual lure movement in the water, where-as with the lighter line, the head can shake about a bit more, giving the lure a more lively action. |
Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 10:08pm
| Al, If I was specifically targeting big Albies my go to lures would be rapalas in the CD 9 to 14 range. When we chase the spring albies down here we troll two rapalas, a daisy chain of small Octopus skirts with a small tuna lure at the back and a small tuna lure. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 11:52pm
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Stu..I think you got me confused with someone elses post here....I never mentioned anything about using a loop or 200 to 400 pound line.....I will be using 130 pound mono or 100 pound flouro and a ball bearing snap swivel attached to the solid ring on the Rapala.No probs I will give that cd 22 a go with the owner 5/0 trebles mind.....might work well ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 11:54pm
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Arggggh...I see the ref on the stuttering now....strange the post came up twice....Stereo ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 11:55pm
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Yeah, it was Catchelot that posted the bit about using up to 400lb mono mate. Be really keen to see what success you have with these lures on the kings.... as I have said before, it is a hugely under-used form of fishing for them. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 11:58pm
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Capt,yeah i was hoping to put to the test this coming week but weather gods had something to say..Just have to look for a weather window i guess....It looks like a nice high is on the way mind. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: jakepitsville
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 9:44am
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Looking good laidback ...I really rate the cd18s and Cd14s (done well on big albies 10kg plus) hey never tried the cd22 mind due and wow they can be the magic on the kings.. I have to say though sometimes these lures can be a pain to "tune" the metal lips bend funny and make them run sideways - Tend to catch fish and get alot more strikes when the lure is not running sideways... I have tried the lefties loop with some 80lb fluro and IMO they like that better then the straight uni - but that works well to. |
Posted By: crazyfisho
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 10:31am
| Lures looking Good LBD! Would be interested to know how well the Firetiger colours go for Kings?..... do people rate them as highly as the mackerel colour? |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 10:56am
| Green yellow, blue white, purple black, three standard colours for any minnow lure I reckon. Add an elton john to that (pink/blue/silver) and you've pretty much got everything covered. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 8:56pm
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I am using a snap ball bearing swivel,so the mono or flouro can clear the bib.....Think i read somewhere that the line rubbing against the bib during the fight can result in trouble....with the snap swivel the line is kept away from the lure and bib.....will do a uni to the swivel by all means but thats about it....also make sure the snap closes the correct way up or pressure put on it,can open it up during the fight....if you have a look at the snap connection to the solid ring,you will figure out what i mean.....the snap is closed from underneath. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 9:11pm
This what i mean....Top =CORRECT Bottom one =WRONG...hope this helps  ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 9:39pm
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your going to effect the flow over the bib with those snap locks infront.... the welded ring is there for a reason so you can attach your line without interfering with the dynamics which are essential to making the lure run..... well that is what ive always been told and assumed it is correct... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 11:14pm
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I would use smaller b/bearing swivels mate, without clips, split ring them onto your solid ring. Having a clip right there at the point of maximum twist and flex is asking for trouble, it doesn't take much flexing on one of those clips to open it, and then, boompha! Lure gone. You can find just plain b/bearing swivels most places I am sure, smaller the better within reason, a size 4 or 5 would be plenty.... maybe size 5. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 11:51pm
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Oh yeah....i get you....i thought it would be ok with the clip up that other way...it would be very hard for that to come undone...I have used before and the action of the lure was fine but i have plenty of 6/0 Ball bearing swivels and could attach a 8 or 9mm split ring and then attach to the solid ring yeah? The solid ring on the cd 18 looks about 8mm and on the cd 22 looks about 9mm approx....does the line clear the bib that way though capt? Does sound better,the way you are suggesting.....have to admit(apart from the possibility of above) ...thanks.------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 1:18am
All done and thanks for the tips...better to learn on here than lose these the hard way out on the boat(thats whats great about here=Fishos willing to help each other)....was in FCO today and they are pretty expensive....used a size 6 Ball bearing swivel and 8mm split ring....line clears the Bib nicely...Interestingly the bib length is not much different between the cd 18 and cd 22 but cd 22 is wider(just need a chance to use em now)....plus a pic of my two...crazy buggers  ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: anarchy
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 7:13am
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Hey man we just run ours on 120lb mono leader crimp and flemish eye to the lure 2.5m long another flemish eye then clip etc to double longest fight was an hour and a bit on a 51 kg yft that engulfed a cd14 the line was worn but still Dont use anything infront of the lure or a heavy leader as it creates bubbles and disturbance for the lure when set up right you should get an easy 8 - 10 knots out of them bit of an art gettting them tuned but well worth it they are by far the best yft lures around just need the buggers to turn back up again sweet hope that helps cheers mike |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 8:03am
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Way better (I think). You don't have to worry about the bib rubbing on the trace though, the bibs are cocked well out of the way of the line, when trolling the line leaves the lure on a fairly good upwards angle eh. If you have a size five swivel, I'd say even better. like others have said, the less interruption to the water flow over the lure you can get, the better it should run. Another reason I like single strand wire, it makes sod all interference, they have such a tiny loop and knot when using a small haywire twist. On, about the snap... I used to use McMahon snaps to clip lures onto lines throught there was no way they could ever open, being sort of double-action type clips, and a ******* to try to get on half the time anyhow, but sure enough, under pressure with a fish chomping up and down on them, twisting etc, they popped on a couple of good fish for me, so since then I have been exceedingly leery of using any sort of clip to attach a lure. The one exception to this rule I now make though is the genie clip, now those I have had no problems with what so ever. Indeed, if you were to use smaller rapalas, like 14cm ones, I would happily use one of them to clip onto the lure. |
Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 8:40am
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I have seen the McMahon clip straighten on a good fish and will not use them any more, as the rapala does not turn like skirt lures, it does not need the swivel, simple tie a uni knot straight to solid ring, use about a 100 lb trace 3 mtr long to your snap swivel If targeting King fish use the orange lures and paint 5 small black stripes to each side, I have caught many on the old hex wobbler with the orange and black and been very successful in Fiji using this colour |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 11:48am
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Interesting comments...Capt = My concern was not over the line rubbing over the bib when trolling, as like you rightly say the lure sits well clear ....more the chance of it rubbing against the bib during the fight(under tension)..Thats why i went for the longer size 6...I saw some short wire traces in FCO with snaps either end....they looked thin(sorry i know jack ****tttte about wire)....breaking strain was 80 pound i think..any good or need heavier?...would like to use the rapalas for here for kings/aussie/fiji etc....Someone asked before if wire was ok to troll them for kings? have you done that?(capt has done everything).so would be good to have the right stuff...Cant be arsed with crimps. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 4:40pm
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Kings here will take lures on single strand wire, I know for a fact. Rapalas (all minnow lures) are extremely effective in the tropics, all on wire, and I would again recommend you get some...sayyy... 125lb single strand wire (Halco stuff is fine), learn how to whip up a neat and tidy haywire twist, and you're laughing. I would not recommend any shop bought, pre made traces that include snaps... as I simply never trust anyone else's crimping, and their choice of swivels is usually not up to my spec either. 80lb is too light for my mind too. A haywire twist is a simple, clean way of putting a wire trace on a lure, all you need is a pair of pliers really (not even that if you are being quick and rough), and you're set. |
Posted By: jakepitsville
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 6:04pm
| IMO you will get no where near as many bites on wire as on a nice 100lb mono leader or fluro 80lb... why?? cause over the years i have tried it. there are times sure when the kings will smash anything - wire or no, but often they are cagey and wire IMO is a no go and completly not needed in NZ waters... the tropics where things have teeth? sure |
Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 7:21pm
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Jake the mason solid wire CA refers to is at least 1/2 the diameter for relative breaking strain of mono.... shouldnt affect strike rate IMHO I am not a fan of the xraps, they are not through wired and i have on 2 ocassions lost the arse of them whilst trolling with them on 15 kilo mono.....( 7kilo of drag over the tip measured at strike), each time no one knew a thing about the back of the lure and hooks going west till we pulled them in. The CD rapalas on the other hand are bullet proof, run on a down rigger to get em down deep they are deadly on tuna and kings....... ------------- "I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for" |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 7:29pm
That is interesting to learn that fact about the Xraps Jason... Can we still buy CD magnums or is all Xraps now? Cos the shop I visited only had a range of Xraps. ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: JIMMY NAIL
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 7:31pm
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As Titahi says the CD Rapala's are awesome.
caught plenty of Kings on them with and with out down riggers.
I've found the blue to be the best colours
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Posted By: JIMMY NAIL
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 7:31pm
| they have both in auckland |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 7:41pm
Funny you should say that James as I've had better success on the Green/Gold in BOP and Northland ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 7:46pm
...bit of an infomercial...but since we are chatting about these things. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN4kYEGbxPM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN4kYEGbxPM ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: seawolf
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 8:11pm
    we used to get plenty of 20ish kg yellowfin up tutukaka on gold cd22 rapalas, ran them right in close behind the boat could see them under the wash. usually the fish would end up with front hook in mouth and back hook in gill plate so lots of strain on the lure. had a cd14 pull apart on a whakatane yellowfin all we got back was the bib? ( minnowless bib!) we got a 71kg yellow fin 3yrs ago on a halco laser pro 190, the fish had engulfed the lure so hard the back treble was in the stomach lining! laser pros are my favorite minnow now! the rapala that came apart was one of the first lot manufactured in ireland after they stopped production in finland. allways rigged em on 130lb flourocarbon crimped to the ring on the bib, the 71kg fish took over an hour with the trace inside its mouth and no wear problems
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 8:16pm
Jealous...Jealous...jealous...that is all Yes I must say since they stopped making them in Finland the quality has diminished somewhat. ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 9:18pm
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Catchalot...not sure where you are but they had the magnums in FCO st lukes the other day,when i was in there.35 bucks a pop i think...one of mine is from finland....shows you how long its been in storage! some wicked fish there! ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 9:56pm
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Didn't know the xraps are not thru body wired... that is an ovrsight or design flaw for sure.... however, I very much DO like the plastic bib with the attachment eye like that.... makes tuning the lures SO much easier! The Cds, with their metal bibs, can be a right pain in the proverbial to get to swim right if they get outa whack. That is another reason why I like the laser pros so much, dead easy to tune. |
Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 10:56pm
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I have to clarify that the lures that werent through wired are the Xrap magnums. The hunting and Fishing manager was very understanding when I showed him and said i dont want a replacement one...... Do you have any CD's in stock? ------------- "I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for" |
Posted By: crazyfisho
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2012 at 11:19pm
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Heard some really good things on the overseas forums about the Manns Deep Divers - has any one tried those here? |
Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 12:24am
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Keep it simple, tie direct to the solid ring with a uni knot. Remember the bib is there to disturb the water, so I wouldn't be worried about the flow of water changed by swivels etc... The principle is simple, these lures swim by the bib spilling water pressure. Size of the bib, angle and tow-point location affect the depth/roll of the lure. The Halco Laser Pro in Red/White has been a solid performer for myself, rat kings are suicidal over the few I have so I only use genuine barbless trebles for an easy release, haven't caught a kingfish of size on them however but they work well for locating fish. It will be interesting to see how the inline on the belly runs Jon, I'm skeptical... but make sure you give it a good run.
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Posted By: alan syme
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2012 at 7:40pm
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halco laser pros are hands down the best minnows for tuna and wahoo where i live. minimal tuning needed and very tough. they outfish the rapalas in my experience. kingfish may be different though?
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 12:29am
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no offence to people who are against the snap swivel on the rapalas but i noticed on that you tube clip a rapala(on this blog) with one attached on cascade = https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=356174034472316&set=a.121864617903260.26097.100002391683929&type=1&theater" rel="nofollow - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=356174034472316&set=a.121864617903260.26097.100002391683929&type=1&theater ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 8:10am
| Might work once. Might work twice, but...... |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 8:10am
| .... nek minnit..... |
Posted By: bite
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2012 at 8:24am
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i allways run them with a trolling sinker attached to the main line swivel then a standed trace to the rapala , they run better , not sure if thats with in igfa rules but i dont care they run far better ps i have 2 magnum rapalas for sale if any ones intrested one, silver /blue one, gold/ green magnum, 26s made in finland both have s/s double hooks fitted about 6/0s
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Posted By: jakepitsville
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 7:19pm
| was one of the questions i was going to ask.. i have heard it said that a trolling sinker above like bite suggests helps them at higher speeds? - ie helps stop them from kicking out any truth to this? |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 9:05pm
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....ok capt ...I noticed that the pic said it was their third for the season....wonder how they lost them then?Hmmmmmmm ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 9:08pm
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Bite....so in a way...a bit like a downrigger system(i had thought of that myself before and wondered if it would work)Could even run a heavy ball sinker above the swivel ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: ET487
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2012 at 11:00pm
Only use the Halco Laser's on the island. Caught GT, Sailfish, Barracuda, Wahoo, YFT and Coral trout. Connect it to 175lb wire via a 200lb snaplock and 150lb windon. Never had a problem and it is a stand out performer.Not much paint left on it but it works everytime.  |
Posted By: bite
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 5:21pm
not realy a down rigger, but it keeps the rapala under control in that they dont jump out of the water they stay in the water or go raceing around the place or fliping
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2012 at 5:25pm
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Does anyone have success towing them behind paravanes and getting them down even deeper? ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |