What is the best soft bait rod today?
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Topic: What is the best soft bait rod today?
Posted By: dragwasher
Subject: What is the best soft bait rod today?
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2012 at 9:54pm
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Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2012 at 8:29pm
To use the old wine writers' saying, the cheapest one that you like.
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2012 at 10:12pm
Start by listing the variables and then reword the question...chur
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Posted By: ponty
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2012 at 11:49pm
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My cheapest rod (Daiwa Coastal) i have had the best results.
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Posted By: Tzer
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 6:40am
Bit like asking what is the best car or boat today
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Posted By: MATTOO
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 8:57am
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I enjoy my Kilwell 2 piece dropshot.
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Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 9:25am
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haha this is gonna be a funny one. think the composite developments dropshot is one of the best in the biz, synit banchee, the pflueger rods are pretty nice. best thing is go into the shop and put a bend in some and you will see what you like.
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Posted By: PDSquid
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 11:25am
longest cheapest ugliest one
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Posted By: dragwasher
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 11:58am
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Ok, some base rules to to define the question a let better: class 1: The best, most expensive rod out there class 2: The best cheapest rod. class 3: The best, full stop.
I hope this helps 
By the way, let's exclude custom rods for now... we can talk rod blanks later...
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Posted By: Tipper
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 12:42pm
one with a fish on the end
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Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 1:18pm
dragwasher wrote:
Ok, some base rules to to define the question a let better:
class 1: The best, most expensive rod out there
class 2: The best cheapest rod.
class 3: The best, full stop.
I hope this helps 
By the way, let's exclude custom rods for now... we can talk rod blanks later... |
1. I'm out of date with the latest and greatest - but as at 2 years ago, the latest and greatest expensive SB rods were just not me.
2. and 3. are the same for me. One model from one manufacturer. I can still get 'em for well under $100 each, and I have several in different places and with different reels on (eg 3 lots of RH and LH pairs, otherwise the same; one spin lot and 2 baitcaster lots with 2 different baitcaster models for different purposes). Six rods for about $580; the oldest pair have given me 5 years' service, and act and look as good as the day I bought them.
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 2:29pm
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The best most expensive rod has to be the Synits and not all are custom made but are in shops too. Got one as a baitcaster(well meant to be inchiku) acid wrapped mean as just found it to be awesome as a baitcasting rod too.
The best cheapest rod mmmm I class $200 and under as cheap so Gen III Dropshots are pretty nice a bit stiffer than the older ones.
Best rod overall Xzoga Mastery 10-20lb killer blank thats an absolute pleasure to use. The Japanese know how to design blanks for their work and most new softbait rods are copying the design of the high modulus carbon this rod is. Had one for over 2 years love it. Its baby lighter 8-16lb brother is great for channel fishing the feel of the fish through these blanks is outstanding.
I always say angling is all about the rod and the more enjoyment you get out your gear the better. If I just wanted fish to eat I'd go to the fish shop
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Posted By: ponty
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 2:43pm
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Depends what you call cheap. $100 you can get a catana does it's job but expect to own more than one in your life time. $130-150 can get coastal, backbone, veritas. All of those 3 rods have there advantages.
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Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 6:03pm
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There's a fascinating set of questions here.
If
1. we assume the technology is going to get better and better, and
2. the top-of-the line rods will be specified/made/assembled differently from time to time accordingly, and
3. you as the top-of the line rod buyer always want to have the "best" in the sense of top-of-the-line as defined this way, then
4. you aren't going to have anything near a lifetime's use out of any rod, are you? What, about 3-5 years before it's useless for you because you need to update?
5. So why don't you start with something that's already reckoned to be obsolete?
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 6:19pm
Its not the point though PJay
You don't necersarily go looking for the best rod(for yourself that is) you may stumble across it by chance. I had not been happy with the few softbait rods I had to start with hated the feel of them they just stayed loaded no lifting power or feel for me. I had come across the rods at Just Fishin and I got one and I have not come across a rod that is as good in that price range(or higher in fact).
I come to like fast actioned rods high modulus carbon that respond quicker and give every kick the fish makes go straight through your arm. I didn't know it when I brought it but as soon as started to hook the fish it was a world away from the Dropshots etc that had been the norm. I don't know how much better a rod could get tbh I just know what I like
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Posted By: Potty
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 6:20pm
Currently getting a rod built by Reel Rods, 2nd one from Keiron. That should give you a clue as to what a feel is best.
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Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 6:32pm
It's a bit like the old car debate. They'll both get you there and same applies to rods. Generally the more you pay the better the rod, but when you look at how well PJay does on some of his cheap stuff, it's pretty obvious you don't need the flash kit to nail the horses.
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Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 7:05pm
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I do take Muppet's points about maximising your fishing enjoyment. I get as much fun out of a little kahawai on my gear as out of much bigger fish.
My criteria are basically that I can
1. cast accurately up to 50m,
2. detect takes of all sorts, and
3. set hooks in any circumstance; and that
4. the rod doesn't get (much) overpowered by big fish such as 1m+ snapper or 20kg+ kingfish.
It is a given that any rod has to be able to absorb the shock of sudden runs and turns - that's why we use rods and not handlines.
I really cannot imagine any rod giving me more enjoyment out of my softbaiting than I have already. The several so-called top-of-the-line rods I have tried (and owned) all failed me on 2 and 3 above, and failed me dismally on 4.
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Posted By: NICK3617
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 7:29pm
A bonito sabiki rod from the warewhare,cheap one
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 7:53pm
went out on memory makers last week and used the synit banshee? I think it was, dam if I did not catch some good snaps and kings on that puppy, very impressed and if i was buying another rod that would be the pick.
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Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 11:00pm
It depends on how seriously you take your sport... "serious" may not be the best word but you can just buy a Bond rod from the warehouse and scoot out on the briny... Now, no doubt, some good fish have been caught on these Bond rods but I would gather that the fishing experience would not be one you would remember as being the most pleasurable you have had fishing.. Not because of their value but because of their makeup... In saying that, I bought a couple of rods a few years back that everyone on here was extolling as the best thing since sliced bread.. My enthusiasm and TAS took over... The consensus was that these were incredible rods to use but I had exactly the opposite experience.. I would go to say that the "complete opposite" was the case for me and a Bond rod may have been a better option/purchase. .
So in short the rod that works for YOU is the best rod... that trial and error just as Myself and Muppet have had over the years and finally found (rod and brand) works well for him and me.. Just they simply may not for others.. For ME my Synit is right for me and a 120 odd buck rod marked down from on high that was recommended to me by flyfisher is my next go to rod... Doesn't have to be the most expensive, just what works for you, feels right in your hands..... Too many variable to nail down.. rod weight ... length.... construction.. and so on.. I personally prefer lighter gear.. catches more fish... Simplictic I know... then again I like bling and shiny things that sparkle..
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Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 11:42pm
*fisher* wrote:
It depends on how seriously you take your sport... "serious" may not be the best word but you can just buy a Bond rod from the warehouse and scoot out on the briny... Now, no doubt, some good fish have been caught on these Bond rods but I would gather that the fishing experience would not be one you would remember as being the most pleasurable you have had fishing.. Not because of their value but because of their makeup... In saying that, I bought a couple of rods a few years back that everyone on here was extolling as the best thing since sliced bread.. My enthusiasm and TAS took over... The consensus was that these were incredible rods to use but I had exactly the opposite experience.. I would go to say that the "complete opposite" was the case for me and a Bond rod may have been a better option/purchase. .
So in short the rod that works for YOU is the best rod... that trial and error just as Myself and Muppet have had over the years and finally found (rod and brand) works well for him and me.. Just they simply may not for others.. For ME my Synit is right for me and a 120 odd buck rod marked down from on high that was recommended to me by flyfisher is my next go to rod... Doesn't have to be the most expensive, just what works for you, feels right in your hands..... Too many variable to nail down.. rod weight ... length.... construction.. and so on.. I personally prefer lighter gear.. catches more fish... Simplictic I know... then again I like bling and shiny things that sparkle..
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I never used to get into bling and shiny things that sparkle but then I got into jigging... Nekk minute  Like you said fisher* its not just the price but what feels right in your hands.. when it comes to soft bait rods I dont feel right fishing with any thing that doesnt have cork grips, gotten to used to them. And I do reckon you can feel more with them.
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Posted By: OffTheHook
Date Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 11:43pm
Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2012 at 9:04am
OFF THE HOOK wrote:
Personal Preference |
ie the cheapest one that you like.
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Posted By: Potty
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2012 at 9:15am
PJay - you get good service out of your cheaper rods. But don't you own quite a few of them? Maybe the workload is being spread.
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Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2012 at 11:33am
Potty wrote:
PJay - you get good service out of your cheaper rods. But don't you own quite a few of them? Maybe the workload is being spread. |
Yes, and consciously so. One RH/LH pair is used only on my dinghy. One pair is used only on my kayak (reels I don't regret so much getting dunked as my Curados). One pair resides permanently on my launch. But...I'm SB fishing at least once and usually twice a week, year-round. Apart from holidays, when it's most days. My guess is that each of the 4 dinghy and kayak rods rod gets 120 hours' actual fishing (casting, retrieving, playing fish) use a year. (The oldest 2 are about 4 years old = >400 hours each, look and work the same as when brand new.) My other guess is that that 120 hours is about the average that many if not most keen SB fishers use their best rods annually.
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Posted By: Potty
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2012 at 12:39pm
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Fair call PJay. Generally cheaper rods are made with cheaper components (thats how they keep their profit margins). I have a few mates who I would only recommend cheap gear too (rough & slack on maintenance). Yak fishing or exposed boats, where gear is likely to be exposed to alot of salt water would be the other case. Hours of use in my situation would be a guess, but boat has done 80 hours this year. So if you times that by 5, with main rod doing 70% of work, that equals 280 hours with plenty of use to go.
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Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2012 at 2:37pm
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I should make clear that I originally got my el cheapo rods after high-sticking a couple of higher-end ones fishing from the yak and, much disliking the waste of money, decided to learn on cheaper gear. Then I found I liked the difference in performance, and stayed with the cheapsters. I am moderately aware of the reasons for cheapness (eg entirely made in China, Chinese-made Fuji-branded componentry etc), but the only failure I have had on one of these is one line guide that I trod on when I foolishly laid the rod on the alloy deck of my Stabi. Though it's only one or two steps up from my cheap rods, the only rod that has exploded in my hands when playing a fish was a 6-8kg-rated Backbone Elite. There was a "CRACK!!!" like a .22, and bits of carbon flew all over the sea. A 2-piece rod, broke at the join. Handlining a riled-up 17 lb snapper on 10lb braid is not fun, let me tell you. The maintenance issue: all of my rods get Inoxed all over immediately after every fishing trip (a requirement of my religion). If a multi-day trip, at the end of each day.
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Posted By: YeeHaa
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2012 at 4:08pm

YEEHAA 703 softbait rod
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Posted By: otter
Date Posted: 11 Jun 2012 at 5:27pm
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cd dropshot heavy teamed up with a 2500 certate Daiwa....
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Posted By: alanimal
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 2:33pm
AG Nexus or Veritas are sweet as rods. I now have the nexus with a Stradic c14 on it... does the bizzo
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Posted By: family affair
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 4:14pm
i like my coastel had a k labs but prefer my coastel and they are fairly cheap
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 5:54pm
i would at a guess say, most rods are the best ones you catch more fish on.... the more you pay for them the more fish you should catch...
yeah right, sound like the guy behind the counter...
truth be known, some like a firm rod so its easy to strike the hook home, others like the fish to pull the tip over before striking, you might also like the feel of when twitching the rod to entice a bite, or it could be how the rod reacts when hooked up to something decent... then there are those who just like to have the most expensive so they can say look at me...
in the end it is what you want and how much your willing to pay....
i see a lot of reply's are pushing what i use and that is fine but just remember not everyone else are you, meaning what your fishing from, how you fish, or even the strength in your arms or weight of your body, plus the depth of your pocket, all these things can have a effect on what is deemed as a good rod for someone looking to start S/B fishing...
go out with someone that is really into catching fish on S/B and see for yourself... even go out on wavedancer and get shown the ins and out's of fishing without smelly baits, its worth the money in the long run and very enjoyable as well....
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 9:01pm
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i've been using a Synit Hellbent lately, has a nice action to it but the reel doesn't have the drag power to fully test the rod. It sets a hook well too but have only tested it on kahawai up to 2kg and gurnard so want to test it out on some giant snaps, unfortunately the reel doesn't have enough drag power to really load the rod. I have a couple of Penn cheapie softbait rods, one is quite ok to use and has lasted really well with plenty of action on rays, snapper, couttas, sharks and the odd king. I use it for bait fishing for gurnard a lot you see...
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Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2012 at 9:35pm
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I have seen a heap in this thread about the rod itself but I believe Smudge has raised what I find a basic 'rod selection criteria' - the reel. I don't buy a rod without taking the reel with to select the rod. And the reel is spooled with the line weight I intend to fish. When selecting a rod, I try and look at the overall balance when matched with reel. As an example, take the same rod and swap between the Trini 10A & the Curado 300G and feel the difference.
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 9:05am
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I select the rod first then the reel. Most times you know the reel is gonna be just fine on the rods especially as SB gear is so light anyway...
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Posted By: alanimal
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2012 at 9:09am
I find with the reels I have had to spend a bit to get something that will last. I was using Penn Affinity reels for a while but the bearings in them come to an end quickly. so if you can spend a bit more and get a good reel. I have had a stradic c14 for over a year now, I go out every week and its still good as new!!
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