http://www.360tuna.com/forum/f3/canyon-spinning-out-24057/ - http://www.360tuna.com/forum/f3/canyon-spinning-out-24057/

And being marketed as made in the states here...

http://www.canyonreels.co.nz/ - http://www.canyonreels.co.nz/ , with the marketing stating...

http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/an-epic-day-yesterday_topic75287.html?KW=canyon+reels - http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/an-epic-day-yesterday_topic75287.html?KW=canyon+reels

I have no issue with where they are made and how good they may or may not be, but is it right to state they are made in the states when they dont appear to be???

 

Japanese manufacturing is generally top quality, China ... hmm, time will tell I guess.

 

The Japs also use Chinese manufacturers and Taiwan and Thailand and...

 

I completely understand the flack they are getting as well.  If they had been more honest about the product no one would have cared where it was made.  It's trying to add value to the product and charge more for it.  that's a bit underhand.

 

I'm the person importing the Canyon Reels.

 

Canyon reels comply to American law and do not set out to mislead any one.

 

All there reels are assembled in NJ America using parts from the US and Asia. (very similar process to other brands we already have here)

 

I have sourced all my marketing material from the owner of Canyon himself. And I don't believe I am mis leading anyone on here at all. Nor am I breaking the Law.

 

Thank you for linking the epic report to this, because as you will see from that report the reels are more than capable of handling good sized fish.

 

I believe what makes a good company is the people behind the product, the performance of the products and the back up service after the purchase. So far Canyon reels have performed well in these areas.

 

I'm not to concerned about the comments of a few red necks on blogs, at the end of the day the product will speak for its self.

 

If you want more info please PM me 

 

 

 

Have you been to NJ and seen where they are assembled???

 

I can change "made" to "assembled" if you prefer

 

If, as you say, these are quality reels -and I have no reason to doubt that they are- then they will sell on their own merrit.  I don't think many of us can afford to be choosy about where our kit comes from these days, as most of the top manufacturers make stuff all over the world anyway.

 Whether the reels are well made, reliable and robust is as you sugget Grunta the primary concern. However surely being upfront and open in your marketing is an important facet as well, otherwise say nothing! Jimmy I do not agree with the wording in your advertsing as i now know better, however i think you have been misled by the Canyon reels guys in NJ who apear to be loosing respect faster than the Popata brothers.

 

If you had a brain you would see that they sell several other reels of original design and they are all assembled in New Jersey.

99% of the stuff you posted from overseas blogs was rubbish and a number of people here noticed that.

 

At the end of the day Titahi the reels will speak for themselves and all this is a side show.

 

If you don't like them don't buy them.

 

And to suggest grunta stopped the thread because i advertise on here is stupid.

If it wasn't for advertisers supporting this site then it wouldn't exist.  Why don't you have a direct discussion with JN - it would be more constructive?

 

Still no response.

-  made in .....country

-  assembled in.... country

 

to my mind, unless the component parts i.e. aluminium, steel, carbon fibre is actually mined or grown here.....everything that bears a made in NZ (as an example) tag is actually made overseas.  The only made in NZ products should only be woollen clothing (spun in NZ of course), honey (where the bees imported?), not even kiwifruit (chinese gooseberries) qualifies strictly MINZ.

Where does it end? 

Does it really matter?

 

 

But there's a difference between raw materials and componentry, too.

 

The "made in..." problem that's failed to reach universal acceptance for hundreds of years is: when do materials cease to be materials and become componentry?  Assembled componentry is not really "made" at the point of assembly.

 

There are different rules for different countries, different rules for different industries, and AFAIK the motor vehicle industry is the nearest of all to a definition of just what proportions and at what stage a vehicle is not "made in" some place.

 

There are some international conventions (agreements), but not all countries are parties to all of them.

 

Aren't we usually interested to know who's used one and how long it lasted?

 

side note....PJay....are you a laywer?

 

This may well turn into a Femme fatale thread if Jimmy Nail is lucky enough

 

 

could be setting the bar a bit high there . would any reel handle six months of hoodlums tortureing them without needing few bits replaced here and there and regular stripping down .

 

how do the NZ rod companis get away with "made in NZ' stickers?

the guides, graphite material and resins are all made overseas.  Only the labour is from NZ.

 

I inquired a few years ago to have my flasher rigs classed as MINZ, guess what - NO!.  If you want to argue, go see a lawyer.  Only the hooks, beads, materials and paint were imported!  Header cards were printed in NZ but used imported foils and ink!

 

Couldn't be bothered!

 

This issue of asian made parts being made in America gets under their skin because they think they're doing their economy a favour by buying these reels and buying American made.

 

In their view, the fact that everybody is buying cheap asian imports is the cause of the downfall of the american economy. Actually the size of their debt to China says they're right, however forcing everybody to buy american made, won't solve their problem.

 

They need to learn how to innovate again.