Homemake salt ice
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Topic: Homemake salt ice
Posted By: [email protected]
Subject: Homemake salt ice
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 3:48pm
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anyone have a recipe on how to make your own salt ice - understand can't just freeze straight seawater?
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Posted By: carl hurley
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 4:08pm
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no should be able to freeze it
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Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 4:21pm
when you go out to sea again take some empty milk containers or similar,fill with seawater and just chuck into freezer.Makes good ice and last forever
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 6:24pm
great ideas guys,
but remember when you take them out fishing with you, better to cut them open and let the ice out, otherwise your wasting your time using saltwater....
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Posted By: STEVIE WONDER
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 6:27pm
Lethal wrote:
great ideas guys,
but remember when you take them out fishing with you, better to cut them open and let the ice out, otherwise your wasting your time using saltwater....
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Yeah i cut the bottles completely open and just fill the box with seawater and after a while it's almost a slurry.Or if you have an industrial mincer chop the ice block into smaller bits and get crushed ice
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 6:33pm
Can you explain that one Eric?....
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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 6:53pm
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As Kezza says ... why do that Eric?
Personally I compromise by using plastic bottles of frozen
sea water then put several hessian sacks in as well, that I
soak in seawater in the bin on top of the bottles ..... works
fine for me.
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Posted By: Rob Optimist
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 7:05pm
I grab a couple of either 10 or 20 litre pails with lids and fill them out at sea and put them in the freezer when I'm home. When I get a chance (and if I'm lucky) I talk my son into tipping out the blocks, smashing them up with a hammer and bagging them up. Its surprising how may bags you get and it works good...........only problem is good son is going overseas so will have to do it myself soon.
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Posted By: JordanM
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 7:09pm
kezza, it wouldnt work because if the bottles are closed, its not emitting the seawater, therefore you might as well use fresh water to keep catch cool
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 7:14pm
Errrr....are we talking about ice 'longevity' here?....surface area?....making salt ice??.....still confused as to why releasing ice from its container will change anything?
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Posted By: JordanM
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 7:16pm
Oh.. sorry kezza, then yes that would be a good question..
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Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 7:18pm
but isn't the idea of seawater the fact that it freezes at a lower temp therefore keeping the bin colder and lasting longer. I use salt water in 1.5l coke bottles sealed. Normally take 4 or 5 . Used to use fresh water and noticed a diff. Will keep using salt water. Think if making slurry then salt ice only
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Posted By: JordanM
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 7:32pm
yeah well i too am stumped as to why you would cut open. maybe lethal has found that saltwater contact keeps fish in better quality?
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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 8:19pm
jordanM wrote:
yeah well i too am stumped as to why you would cut open. maybe lethal has found that saltwater contact keeps fish in better quality? |
Yeah ... valid points I reckon but as the frozen bottles are simply
to at as coolant devices then cannot see why this cannot be used
in the seawater as surely it is achieving the same objectives.
Personally reckon the seawater soaked sacks combined with frozen
bottles of saltwater meet both objectives ie lower temps & a natural
environment.
After all crays can be kept alive for a couple of days in a seawater
soaked sack kept cool & refreshed with more seawater occassionally
.... never thought of it before but adding a few bottles of frozen seawater
could even extend this time ... must try it.
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Posted By: SufixRockMan
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 8:26pm
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Presumably because if you don't open the bottles you will just get condensation (fresh water) occurring on the bottles and fresh water is 'bad' for fish?
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Posted By: Dagwood
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 8:31pm
2 litre ice cream containers are filled with seawater, brought home and frozen. Next trip they are dumped in the fish bin with a bit of salt water and a sack over the top to keep anything cool and refilled ready for next time. Seems to work well, costs nil and requires sod all shagging about. The big advantage is that the catch is immersed in salt water as opposed to fresh which I understand is better. Regardless the fillets seem to come away nicely and taste superb! 
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Posted By: the demon
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 9:21pm
Dagwood wrote:
2 litre ice cream containers are filled with seawater, brought home and frozen. Next trip they are dumped in the fish bin with a bit of salt water and a sack over the top to keep anything cool and refilled ready for next time. Seems to work well, costs nil and requires sod all shagging about. The big advantage is that the catch is immersed in salt water as opposed to fresh which I understand is better. Regardless the fillets seem to come away nicely and taste superb! 
| Yip sort of the same with ya filleted fish ,dont wash in fresh water .Leave with all thethe bits of blood scale etc and wash just before cooking and dry with paper towel.The fresh stuff starts to break down the fish ,bacterial thingy happening
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 9:38pm
Kezza wrote:
Can you explain that one Eric?....  |
way i was looking at it was the same as if you brought salt ice from a shop it normally leaks into your fish container anyway which was how a slurry worked....
keeping the saltwater in a container deprived it from working properly,
but if you look at for just keeping the saltwater cooler then yes it would last a little longer than plain water i guess....
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Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 10:36pm
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I'm no expert, but i'm guessing by removing the ice from the container and breaking it up, you are creating more surface area from the ice which means it will release it's energy at a greater rate getting your catch colder quicker. For longevity, keep it in the bottle.
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 11:02pm
salt ice is made with very little salt ,its made from fresh water with salt added to make it hygenic,do a taste test then match it at home with fresh water and table salt..i reckon its about 1 to 2 teaspoons per bucket of water ... way less that sea water
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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 11:35pm
of2fsh wrote:
salt ice is made with very little salt ,its made from fresh water with salt added to make it hygenic,do a taste test then match it at home with fresh water and table salt..i reckon its about 1 to 2 teaspoons per bucket of water ... way less that sea water
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Geez mate ... reckon you have openned a whole new can of worms
if what you say is correct & have no reason to doubt it is, but the jury
could be out for quite some time.
After all it is called salt ice not seawater ice.
If there is so little additional salt compared to freshwater then surely
there can be very little difference in frozen temperature.
Of more concern is that if it is largely freshwater then by adding it to seawater
to form a slurry then are effectively mixing a heap of freshwater to the seawater
which we are told is a no no.
Until the jury returns reckon I will stick to frozen bottles of seawater & seawater
soaked sacks.
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Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2012 at 11:52pm
Here is a first as I agree with Of2fish that there is bugger all salt in commercial salt ice compared to seawater
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 1:19am
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Googled...
Flake Salt Ice: is made from filtrated & uv treated potable water with salt added.
Salt Ice has a slower melting rate than party ice, and as such is our customers preferred option for keeping their product fresh.....
interesting of2fsh, best we collect our own saltwater from the sea then....
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Posted By: Rat Catcher
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 3:37am
Rob Optimist wrote:
I grab a couple of either 10 or 20 litre pails with lids and fill them out at sea and put them in the freezer when I'm home. When I get a chance (and if I'm lucky) I talk my son into tipping out the blocks, smashing them up with a hammer and bagging them up. Its surprising how may bags you get and it works good...........only problem is good son is going overseas so will have to do it myself soon. |
x 2, (as long as I remember buckets)
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Posted By: Periwinkle
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 6:56am
$4.50 for some salt ice at the garage seems easier to me
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Posted By: Bob.f
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 7:49am
No suppliers of salt ice in the South Island so will continue to make my own 
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Posted By: the demon
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 8:33am
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Was reading about how old fashion ice cream makers lowered the temp of the ice cream below the ordinary freezing point.They add a mixture of rock salt, ice and water packed in a bucket around the ice cream mix, which can lower the temp to down to maximum of -21c.Thought that was quite cool. The main point being few water molicules reach the surface in a given time ,so water freezes more slowly.If you cant buy salt ice in the sth is go to one of the fishing factories if you have one in town and ask for some ,may be able to help.Ie nelson chch,westport etc
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Posted By: beerbatter
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 9:03am
of2fsh wrote:
salt ice is made with very little salt ,its made from fresh water with salt added to make it hygenic,do a taste test then match it at home with fresh water and table salt..i reckon its about 1 to 2 teaspoons per bucket of water ... way less that sea water
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Having given salt ice the taste test... it sure ain't seawater.
Think I might start making my own seawater ice and see how it compares to salt ice. At $5 a bag, that's money I'd rather put into tackle.
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Posted By: gap74
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 1:46pm
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7 dollars in Hamilton!!!!
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Posted By: JordanM
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 2:12pm
no where to get salt ice in wellington.... (that i know of)
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Posted By: hunt&gather
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 2:55pm
I've seen it at hamils Jordon. Didn't look at the price but alot more expensive than seawater. I think I need a bigger freezer...
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Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 2:57pm
$4.00 in Whangarei Didn't know about the amount of Salt in it though just assumed like most that it was the equiv of sea water. Best I buy one and evaporate it here in the sunny North (tui) and the same amount of sea water and see what's left in each eh.
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Posted By: Richard34482
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 6:47pm
Yup fill a bucket with sea water, then when I get home put it in butter tubs and freeze it.
Ok you could argue that ice ain't expensive but hey it all adds up at the end of the day
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Posted By: otdrmn
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 7:13pm
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After reading this thread this morning and doing a bit of research I have raided the recycling bin and secured x 5 1.25L bottles, in each of these I have placed 2 desert spoons of salt, filled with water and these now sit in the freezer awaiting the test.
Adding the salt lowers the freezing point.
In hind sight I should have also placed in there at the same time a bottle of water without salt to see how long that took to freeze / defrost - never mind
Rather have the $5 a bag in my back pocket as usually consume 2 or 3 of these on each trip.
That = a lot of fuel each year
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 7:26pm
Still no substitute for a good flake ice slurry,worth spending a few dollars on ice I reckon...try this next time your out,put 5 or 10 kgs of salt ice in the Icey tek,fill with salt water from the ocean till its a slurry with more ice than water,put your fish in ,when u get home fillet the fish then wash the fillets in the slurry till clean,put them in the fridge for a hour or so then strait in the pan,don't use any fresh water too wash wash the fillets..you will find the fillets taste superb
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Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 7:46pm
jordanM wrote:
no where to get salt ice in wellington.... (that i know of) |
mobil paremata sell salt flake ice. check pete lamb as well.
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Posted By: Fletch
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 7:58pm
Posted By: Bruce
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 10:17pm
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Interesting point of2fish, its like swimming in a salt water pool, it is salt water but it aint sea water.
You float better but your eyes dont sting
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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 10:27pm
of2fsh wrote:
Still no substitute for a good flake ice slurry,worth spending a few dollars on ice I reckon...try this next time your out,put 5 or 10 kgs of salt ice in the Icey tek,fill with salt water from the ocean till its a slurry with more ice than water,put your fish in ,when u get home fillet the fish then wash the fillets in the slurry till clean,put them in the fridge for a hour or so then strait in the pan,don't use any fresh water too wash wash the fillets..you will find the fillets taste superb |
Could you please explain why that method should be preferable to
using frozen containers of seawater to chill seawater .... strikes me
the latter process is far more logical, not to mention cheaper & more
effective.
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 10:47pm
Bazza, by using flake ice slurry you chill the water down as low as -1 deg,using bottles and coolie pads etc you won't,fish that aren't at a very low temp will start to deteriorate due to bacteria etc,every fish added to the mix will raise the temp,with a slurry it will hold a lower temp and return to that temp quicker if a fish is added... It's personal preference really,at the moment I'm taking at least 10kgs of salt ice for a 115 Icey tek.pointless taking fish to eat if they are going to slowly cook in warm water?..take a thermometer with you next time your out and check for yourself,all those commercial guys can't be wrong
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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 11:02pm
of2fsh wrote:
Bazza, by using flake ice slurry you chill the water down as low as -1 deg,using bottles and coolie pads etc you won't,fish that aren't at a very low temp will start to deteriorate due to bacteria etc,every fish added to the mix will raise the temp,with a slurry it will hold a lower temp and return to that temp quicker if a fish is added... It's personal preference really,at the moment I'm taking at least 10kgs of salt ice for a 115 Icey tek.pointless taking fish to eat if they are going to slowly cook in warm water?..take a thermometer with you next time your out and check for yourself,all those commercial guys can't be wrong  |
OK mate will try it sometime but at this stage fail to see how immersing fish
in a relatively high % of freshwater (ie once the salt ice begins to melt) can be
preferable to immersing into 100% seawater that is being chilled by 100% frozen
seawater.
Will try your method & give an honest appraisal if you will kindly do likewise
with the frozen seawater in seawater method ... maybe we will both learn
something... providing I am not too old to learn something new.
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2012 at 11:18pm
Not really keen to try the bottle method baz,If I'm keeping fish I want them as good as possible,when I get them out of the slurry to fillet the water is so cold it numbs my fingers...this is my preferred method as I'm bloody fussy .. Besides its what Damo does so it must be right
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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 7:48am
of2fsh wrote:
Not really keen to try the bottle method baz,If I'm keeping fish I want them as good as possible,when I get them out of the slurry to fillet the water is so cold it numbs my fingers...this is my preferred method as I'm bloody fussy .. Besides its what Damo does so it must be right  |
OK fair nuff ... I will try both methods by taking out two bins to
see if there is any noticeable difference either way then report
back.
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Posted By: roddholder
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 1:56pm
the object is to keep the fish as cool as possible, so salt ice slurry is best. next best is any ice slurry, then just flake ice, then ice alone. the fish must be kept under the ice, as cold moves downwards, so dont just throw the fish on top of each other with the ice at the bottom of the bin. put the ice on top of the fish.
when you clean the fish dont ever, ever, never ever wash the fillets with water. get it?. never wash fillets!!!. fish have a skin, covered in scales that keeps salt water away from the flesh. they have that for good reason. keep fillets dry and clean as possible and wipe with a cloth or paper towel if needed.
vacuum pack fillets and either freeze, or just keep in fridge till you need them.
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Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 2:04pm
So if salt ice has a very low salt percentage.....It must be no real difference to use plain ice in a slurry with sea water (except that salt ice stays colder longer)
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 3:09pm
Derek F wrote:
So if salt ice has a very low salt percentage.....It must be no real difference to use plain ice in a slurry with sea water (except that salt ice stays colder longer) |
plain ice is not as good,it will melt as you add more fish and be just cold water,salt holds a lower temperature for longer and correct me if im wrong has a lower freezing point than fresh water ice,weve had salt flake ice in the icey tek for 5 days keeping pi ss cold
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Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 3:54pm
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so if you make salt ice out of seawater does it pay to add fresh water to dilute more to the same as brought salt ice ??>?>
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Posted By: Cbro
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 4:05pm
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no. some Ice has more salt than others, depends on who is making it. The salt Ice I buy has loads of salt compared to other brands. But I tend to just use frozen buckets of water from the sea tipped into my bin with added water an a few frozen milk bottles. All day in the sun and the bottles are still frozen, I cant even keep my hand in for long trying to dig up the last beer. I know comm guys who get top doller for there fish as its in prime condition and they use fresh water ice...harder to work with cos it clumps together but still keeps those fish in top nick.\
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Posted By: Bossco
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 4:41pm
Buy a big bag of salt from an agri store and just make salt ice yourself. A cheap chestfreezer works out in the long run compared to how much you pay for ice.
Even just adding the salt to a bag of freshwater ice will lower the freezing point and make it cooler.
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Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 4:54pm
roddholder wrote:
when you clean the fish dont ever, ever, never ever wash the fillets with water. get it?. never wash fillets!!!. fish have a skin, covered in scales that keeps salt water away from the flesh. they have that for good reason. keep fillets dry and clean as possible and wipe with a cloth or paper towel if needed..
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Interesting - just watched an epidose of ITM where Matt had tested the bacteria count of a fillet of snapper that was washed in water (fresh I think) and one that wasn't washed. The washed fillet had less bacteria.
IMO the key to a good tasting fillet is a good ice slurry and keeping the fish on a racked dish so they don't sit in their own juices and washing or not makes little difference.
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 6:27pm
Matt's a knob,don't listen to him...
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Posted By: Clay
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 7:38pm
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He didn't do the testing tho - it was a lab
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Posted By: Cbro
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 7:45pm
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Maybe his knife was contaminated...
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 8:07pm
Clay wrote:
He didn't do the testing tho - it was a lab |
Yeah mate I was taking the Mickey..... Not a huge fan of his show boating
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Posted By: Fishing Addiction
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 8:14pm
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pretty sure the unwashed had the least contamination followed by the fresh water wash then the fish that got left out
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 8:41pm
of2fsh wrote:
Matt's a knob,don't listen to him... |
Been drinking Hateraide bro?...haha....churrrr
FA has the NZLABS findings summary correct
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Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 9:10pm
Fishing Addiction wrote:
pretty sure the unwashed had the least contamination followed by the fresh water wash then the fish that got left out |
I noticed he used same knife and didn't clean it between fish so bugs would have spread in any case and the testing would have bugger all validity.
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2012 at 9:14pm
Kezza wrote:
of2fsh wrote:
Matt's a knob,don't listen to him... |
Been drinking Hateraide bro?...haha....churrrr
FA has the NZLABS findings summary correct |
Yeah ..not doubting the lab im shure they are 100% correct,but.. if we worried about bacteria in food we ate we wouldn't shop at the supermarket,or use our hands to eat... It is what it is when it comes to fish,look after them and enjoy a good feed from the ocean..that's my opinion...
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 9:41am
I hear ya Wayno...I think what the bacteria test showed was the best way to care for your catch from the hook to the plate if the intention is to serve it as 'fresh' as possible....chill it to just above freezing, keep fillets as clean as possible and do not wash before cooking...pretty simple really.
I prefer to fillet the day after the capture after the fish has had a decent amount of time in lots a flake ice rather than a slurry....slurries tend to melt the ice component much more quickly...eitherway fresh fish is a real treat and reckon we are pretty lucky to have a lot of great eating fish available.
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Posted By: Chris B
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 10:19am
otdrmn wrote:
After reading this thread this morning and doing a bit of research I have raided the recycling bin and secured x 5 1.25L bottles, in each of these I have placed 2 desert spoons of salt, filled with water and these now sit in the freezer awaiting the test.
Adding the salt lowers the freezing point.
In hind sight I should have also placed in there at the same time a bottle of water without salt to see how long that took to freeze / defrost - never mind
Rather have the $5 a bag in my back pocket as usually consume 2 or 3 of these on each trip.
That = a lot of fuel each year
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How did your test go? Just been reading this thread & keen to give it a go but not sure how much salt to use. Cheers
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Posted By: otdrmn
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 10:29am
cbfb wrote:
otdrmn wrote:
After reading this thread this morning and doing a bit of research I have raided the recycling bin and secured x 5 1.25L bottles, in each of these I have placed 2 desert spoons of salt, filled with water and these now sit in the freezer awaiting the test.
Adding the salt lowers the freezing point.
In hind sight I should have also placed in there at the same time a bottle of water without salt to see how long that took to freeze / defrost - never mind
Rather have the $5 a bag in my back pocket as usually consume 2 or 3 of these on each trip.
That = a lot of fuel each year
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How did your test go? Just been reading this thread & keen to give it a go but not sure how much salt to use. Cheers
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They took an age to freeze rock solid, over 24 hours and the 3ltr Just Juice ones took longer (in those large ones I put 1/3 cup salt) I guess they would take longer to freeze as the lower freezing point created by the Salt comes into play. I would imagine that as a result they should take longer to defrost than just frozen water. When we get some more bottles I will run the test again but this time also have a non salted one to compare with.
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Posted By: Chris B
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 11:03am
otdrmn wrote:
They took an age to freeze rock solid, over 24 hours and the 3ltr Just Juice ones took longer (in those large ones I put 1/3 cup salt) I guess they would take longer to freeze as the lower freezing point created by the Salt comes into play. I would imagine that as a result they should take longer to defrost than just frozen water. When we get some more bottles I will run the test again but this time also have a non salted one to compare with.
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Cheers for that, I'll go with the same as you used. Am going to freeze some in margarine tubs and chuck them in the bin with a few litres of cold salt water. Only use a small bin.
In the freezer now, will give it a try tomorrow with a thermometer to see how it goes.
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Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 11:50am
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According to my research, seawater at about 3.5% salt has a freezing point about -2 degrees.
10% gives -6 degrees and 20% gives -16 degrees. Somthing that I find confusing is that a commercial salt ice producer says on their website that their ice is -3 degrees and yet they say they only add 500 gm salt per Tonne fresh water which means only 1/20th of 1%. Seems the more we study it the more confusing it gets!
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Posted By: Chris B
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 12:04pm
Derek F wrote:
According to my research, seawater at about 3.5% salt has a freezing point about -2 degrees.
10% gives -6 degrees and 20% gives -16 degrees. Somthing that I find confusing is that a commercial salt ice producer says on their website that their ice is -3 degrees and yet they say they only add 500 gm salt per Tonne fresh water which means only 1/20th of 1%. Seems the more we study it the more confusing it gets! |
I went for the less scientific approach and tasted the stuff I made, it was about the same as sea water so will see how that goes! I looked at a few websites too and you're right it is confusing.
Where can I buy liquid nitrogen lol
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 2:57pm
you guys have got way to much time,come and paint my roof and ill get you all a 5 kg of ice..for 2 coats of paint ill spring for the big bertha 10 kg bag
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Posted By: danp
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 3:45pm
I'm not sure if this is true but someone told me...
Regarding the use of tap water to wash fillets or as ice etc not only because salt water freezes at a lower temp but that tap water has chlorine in it that they put in during the sanitation process, & if used for cleaning the fish will slightly cook the fish making it mushy.
Anyone else heard that?
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Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 3:54pm
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Yuk ..who drinks Auckland water..I dont..its not clean coming from the Waikato River..I have tank water ,no chlorine,or all the other crap they add to it to try to clean it.I wouldnt even wash my fish in it little more than shower in it
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Posted By: Latitude35south
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 4:35pm
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Does anyone know how the fisheries make their ice for the commercial guys? They go through tonnes of the stuff.I allways thought they froze and flaked seawater.
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Posted By: Bob.f
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 4:46pm
Latitude35south wrote:
Does anyone know how the fisheries make their ice for the commercial guys? They go through tonnes of the stuff.I allways thought they froze and flaked seawater.
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UV filtered fresh water, scientifically mixed with just the right amount of salt and into a bloody big freezer.
For home use: Boiling water, for @ least 2 minutes, and I mean boiling, then throw in table spoon of salt per litre, stir, allow to cool, decant into suitable containers, freeze, leave. Take out when next fishing trip. Put into suitable container, {you can smash ice or not.} will keep for up to 5 days in frozen state in chilly bin
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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 5:13pm
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Geez Angler ....... bet when you started this thread with a simple
question you had no idea it would generate 70 replies & be viewed
over 2000 times.
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 5:51pm
danp wrote:
I'm not sure if this is true but someone told me...
Regarding the use of tap water to wash fillets or as ice etc not only because salt water freezes at a lower temp but that tap water has chlorine in it that they put in during the sanitation process, & if used for cleaning the fish will slightly cook the fish making it mushy.
Anyone else heard that?
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tap water has a variety of chemicals added to make it safe,clorine is one which will have an effect on the fillets,i took a sample of tap water to the pool dudes along with my pool water and was surprised to see tap water had a PH similar to the pool ( PH of 7.4 ) and a small amount of clorine (didnt register on my home test strip) crazy what they put in the tap water so not the best for fish fillets
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 5:52pm
bazza wrote:
Geez Angler ....... bet when you started this thread with a simple
question you had no idea it would generate 70 replies & be viewed
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takes so long to make salt ice Baz no one has time for fishing 
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Posted By: tightlines2
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 6:02pm
of2fsh wrote:
you guys have got way to much time,come and paint my roof and ill get you all a 5 kg of ice..for 2 coats of paint ill spring for the big bertha 10 kg bag
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Posted By: Big -Dave
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2012 at 6:09pm
if it freezes at a lower temp, surely it thaws at a lower temp as well. It is just frozen stuff and will thaw as quick per KG as plain water?, I might fill a couple of bottles and see,,,
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Posted By: skidder
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2012 at 12:05am
Used to wash the fillets in the $5 salt ice but after ITM bacteria count test now take care filleting using skin between flesh and board......no washing does leave flesh fresh and relatively dry and yes did taste better. Like others just assumed flake salt ice was similar to sea water in salt content.....well thanks guys will save me both dollars and time as its the only thing I pick up before hitting the water. Now just got to convince wife to allow me some freezer space....would like to make a slurry of seawater as I find a fish slipped into a slurry gets full body treatment.
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Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2012 at 4:29pm
That's for sure Bazza- I'm more confused than when I first asked the question however am most appreciative to all of you who took the time and trouble to respond. Think I'll try Bob's idea mindful of how the salt ice producers make it up. Again thanks to you all.
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Posted By: Chris B
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2012 at 4:46pm
Tried out the salt ice today, in a 27L esky I put 1.2L of salt ice and 2.2L of chilled salt water (1 desert spoon salt per 600ml water). Ice had been freezing just under 24h and was not yet fully frozen but getting there. Started at 9:45. Checked it at 13:34, was 1 C (ambient temp 24 C) then again at 16:27, was 7 C.
Ideally fish should be stored at -1 to 5 degrees. Apparently after 7 degrees there is a risk in some species of food poisoning (http://www.nzssc.co.nz/f1725,85234/85234_Inshore_Vessel_Guidelines.pdf).
So I guess the amounts I used are good for about 5-6 hours, not taking into account that adding fish to the bin will make it thaw quicker.
I will probably double the quantity of ice used and make sure it gets frozen for a good 48 hrs beforehand.
Hope this helps.
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Posted By: Richard34482
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2012 at 11:08pm
Originally posted by Roboptimist I grab a couple of either 10 or 20 litre pails with lids and fill them out at sea and put them in the freezer when I'm home. When I get a chance (and if I'm lucky) I talk my son into tipping out the blocks, smashing them up with a hammer and bagging them up. Its surprising how may bags you get and it works good...........only problem is good son is going overseas so will have to do it myself soon
I have tried smashing them up but it goes all over the place and I end up with much less then I started with, I have tried wrapping them in towels but this wrecks them ( not popular with she who must be obeyed) how do you do it?.
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Posted By: 41 1/2 below
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 12:39am
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Some commercial boats that make ice at sea nowadays are using fresh water from a desalinator and add a ready made salt solution to mix into the fresh water before its frozen and scraped from the drum. i know sea water would be free but could be the wrong salinity to be cost effective so they do this way. I imagine ice towers on land do the same thing add saline solution to fresh water to get the best results by having control over everything.
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Posted By: otdrmn
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 3:54pm
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Well the 5 x 1.25l bottles with water / salt have remained 90% frozen in the 90l Icey Tek today, the condensation on the outside of the bottles had actually frozen and was making ice inside the bin.
Although I must say we didnt get to try it with any fish in the bin....sllloooowww day fishing
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Posted By: SumDumBum
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 4:08pm
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I spoke with Bonfire Bob out at Arkles Bay. Ex Butcher and a top class fish smoker.... about the salt ice issue affecting the slabs of fish etc . He told me he has a salinity measuring doofah.....
There is so little salt in purchased salt ice , that his doffah /magafta doesent even register any salt...
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 5:45pm
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Having talked to a couple of the commercial makers of ice they use Sodium to make flake Ice.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium not iodized(table salt) or rock salt... hence the reason for a lesser concentration compared to the ocean...
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 6:00pm
Mike, a while ago dunno if it is still made, but didn't some outfit sell straight frozen salt, as in, not rock size but larger granules? This stuff off course didn't melt and if it didn't get diluted in water could go back into the freezer after a day's fishing, sort of recycleable as it were...
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Posted By: Derek F
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 6:50pm
SumDumBum wrote:
I spoke with Bonfire Bob out at Arkles Bay. Ex Butcher and a top class fish smoker.... about the salt ice issue affecting the slabs of fish etc . He told me he has a salinity measuring doofah.....
There is so little salt in purchased salt ice , that his doffah /magafta doesent even register any salt... |
Thats right I think.....So the best result is a thick slurry made by mixing the commercial salt ice with sea water as the comm fishermen do. If you use comm salt ice alone and leave it to completely thaw the resulting mix will start to decompose the fish (according to my neighbour...a commercial guy)
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Posted By: muchalls
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 6:55pm
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tasted some of the flakes of 'salt ice' the other day- just like water! Freezing salt water must be the way to go (35 g per litre) I have a Berley mincer, what about a salt ice flaker!
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 7:59pm
just a thought, how about "Liquid-Ice" if it takes roughly 48hrs+ to freeze a 1.25lt container of saltwater, then why not just freeze it for 24hrs only, this way you can empty the contents into your chilly bin without destroying the containers if its in a bottle form... depending on its size you can use more bottles to make sure there is enough to support the amount of fish your likely to take home... here is one of the newer type ice making machines on board a com boat.... so why not have your chilly bin filled with similar coolant, they are using straight saltwater...

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Posted By: mowerman
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 8:11pm
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Think i will make salt ice in 2 litre icecream containers ( ongoing for about a week ).just empty them into a large bag and use as required
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Posted By: DLS
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 8:51pm
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I don't like a slurry as we're constantly opening the bin etc (putting in fish, pulling out brews) and the ice tends to melt too quick. I just throw a 10kg bag of salt ice in my 115lt bin and that's it. If doing this it's actually pretty important to stack your fish which my mate from Seamart showed me. You basically stand them all upside down (easier to grab when filleting) and make sure there's ice in between each fish then a layer of ice on top then repeat so you've got layers all lined up surrounded by ice. I still do it sometimes but just leaving them all lying on top of each other covered in ice isn't the best as the fish touching each other stays warm. Anywho my two cents. Also my mate rinses all his wet fish in window with fresh water and reckons it's all good. Mind you his have to look nice and fresh for people to buy. I personally rinse scales of etc just before cooking cause if you put rinsed fillets in a container or plate in the fridge the next day they're sitting in liquid.
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 9:14pm
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The other thing to remember is its highly corrosive, dont get it in your freezer or car to often... We threw a fridge out a while ago that had literally fallen to bits because of the salt damage.
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2012 at 9:19pm
Lethal wrote:
just a thought, how about "Liquid-Ice" if it takes roughly 48hrs+ to freeze a 1.25lt container of saltwater, then why not just freeze it for 24hrs only, this way you can empty the contents into your chilly bin without destroying the containers if its in a bottle form... depending on its size you can use more bottles to make sure there is enough to support the amount of fish your likely to take home... here is one of the newer type ice making machines on board a com boat.... so why not have your chilly bin filled with similar coolant, they are using straight saltwater...

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The last line of this I think is what there getting at Lethal... the rest is probably of interest to those that actually care about the state of there fish..
Preservation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_preservation - Preservation techniques are needed to prevent fish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoilage - spoilage and lengthen http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelf_life - shelf life . They are designed to inhibit the activity of spoilage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacteria - bacteria and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolic - metabolic changes that result in the loss of fish quality. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_spoilage#Microbial_spoilage - Spoilage bacteria are the specific bacteria that produce the unpleasant odours and flavours associated with spoiled fish. Fish normally host many bacteria that are not spoilage bacteria, and most of the bacteria present on spoiled fish played no role in the spoilage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_processing#cite_note-4 - [5] To flourish, bacteria need the right temperature, sufficient water and oxygen, and surroundings that are not too acidic. Preservation techniques work by interrupting one or more of these needs. Preservation techniques can be classified as follows. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_processing#cite_note-FAO_preservation-5 - [6] [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fish_processing&action=edit§ion=5 - edit ]Control of temperature http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kingfish_great_south_bay.jpg"> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kingfish_great_south_bay.jpg"> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice - Ice preserves fish and extends shelf life by lowering the temperature See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigerating - Refrigerating and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freezing_%28food%29 - Freezing (food) If the temperature is decreased, the metabolic activity in the fish from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbial - microbial or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autolytic - autolytic processes can be reduced or stopped. This is achieved by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigeration - refrigeration where the temperature is dropped to about 0 °C, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frozen_food - freezing where the temperature is dropped below -18°C. On fishing vessels, the fish are refrigerated mechanically by circulating cold air or by packing the fish in boxes with ice. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forage_fish - Forage fish , which are often caught in large numbers, are usually chilled with refrigerated or chilled seawater. Once chilled or frozen, the fish need further cooling to maintain the low temperature. There are key issues with fish cold store design and management, such as how large and energy efficient they are, and the way they are insulated and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallet - palletized . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_processing#cite_note-FAO_preservation-5 - [6] An effective method of preserving the freshness of fish is to chill with ice by distributing ice uniformly around the fish. It is a safe cooling method that keeps the fish moist and in an easily stored form suitable for transport. It has become widely used since the development of mechanical http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigeration - refrigeration , which makes ice easy and cheap to produce. Ice is produced in various shapes; crushed ice and ice flakes, plates, tubes and blocks are commonly used to cool fish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_processing#cite_note-FAO_handling-2 - [3] Particularly effective is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slurry_ice - slurry ice , made from micro crystals of ice formed and suspended within a solution of water and a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freezing-point_depression - freezing point depressant , such as common salt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_processing#cite_note-6 - [7] A more recent development is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpable_ice_technology - pumpable ice technology . Pumpable ice flows like water, and because it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogeneous - homogeneous , it cools fish faster than fresh water solid ice methods and eliminates freeze burns. It complies with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HACCP - HACCP and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO - ISO food safety and public health standards. Finally, it uses less energy than conventional fresh water solid ice technologies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_processing#cite_note-7 - [8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_processing#cite_note-8 - [9] |
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Posted By: Tipper
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2012 at 5:26am
hookerpuka wrote:
Having talked to a couple of the commercial makers of ice they use Sodium to make flake Ice.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium not iodized(table salt) or rock salt... hence the reason for a lesser concentration compared to the ocean... |
DOH - Sodium Chloride IS salt, the stuff in seawater 
I make my ice in the bottom half of a couple of buckets - invert and tip the frozen blocks straight into the IcyTek and there's nothing to bring home but fishies. Takes 30 seconds to refill and put in the freezer. Blocks last about 24 hours with enough seawater added to cover fish.
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2012 at 10:28am
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Correction. Sodium is one of the components of salt I.E. read the Wiki I link in same post.
It is an abundant element that exists in numerous minerals such as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feldspar - feldspars , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodalite - sodalite and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halite - rock salt . Many salts of sodium are highly soluble in water and are thus present in significant quantities in the Earth's bodies of water, most abundantly in the oceans as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_chloride - sodium chloride . |
Composition of sea salt is
| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloride - Chloride (Cl-) | 55.03% | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium - Sodium (Na+) | 30.59% | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfate - Sulfate (SO42-) | 7.68% | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium - Magnesium (Mg2+) | 3.68% | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium - Calcium (Ca2+) | 1.18% | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium - Potassium (K+) | 1.11% | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicarbonate - Bicarbonate (HCO3-) | 0.41% | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bromide - Bromide (Br-) | 0.19% | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borate - Borate (BO33-) | 0.08% | | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strontium - Strontium (Sr2+) | 0.04% | | Miscellaneous constituents | 0.01% |
Although the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salinity - salinity of sea water varies worldwide, the relative proportions of its constituent ions remain constant.
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2012 at 11:25am
excellent Hookerpuka, didnt realize it was that good...
A more recent development is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumpable_ice_technology - pumpable ice technology . Pumpable ice flows like water, and because it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homogeneous - homogeneous , it cools fish faster than fresh water solid ice methods and eliminates freeze burns. It complies with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HACCP - HACCP and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO - ISO food safety and public health standards. Finally, it uses less energy than conventional fresh water solid ice technologies
will definitely give it a go, still should last 12hrs at least and if your just doing a day trip should be plenty of time before it thaws out....
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2012 at 11:42am
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Probably put more in the bin than normal ice and it will stay cooler longer ? bloody good idea though since that achieves the slurry effect at a colder temp :D
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Posted By: Big -Dave
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2012 at 7:46pm
If your freezer is big enough You could always put your chilly bin in it with a few inches of water in the bottom, making the whole bottom a big iceblock....
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Posted By: Rob Optimist
Date Posted: 02 Feb 2012 at 8:03pm
Richard34482 wrote:
Originally posted by Roboptimist I grab a couple of either 10 or 20 litre pails with lids and fill them out at sea and put them in the freezer when I'm home. When I get a chance (and if I'm lucky) I talk my son into tipping out the blocks, smashing them up with a hammer and bagging them up. Its surprising how may bags you get and it works good...........only problem is good son is going overseas so will have to do it myself soon
I have tried smashing them up but it goes all over the place and I end up with much less then I started with, I have tried wrapping them in towels but this wrecks them ( not popular with she who must be obeyed) how do you do it?.
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Ha ha already said I dont do it.......youre right though it is a bit messy, definitely an outside job. Have used one old towel and just deal to it, I'm about to start doing it as good son has flown to Perth to make his fortune.
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Posted By: Stefan
Date Posted: 03 Feb 2012 at 4:20pm
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Wow I had no idea salt ice could be this in depth!! I had been freezing bottles of fresh water and throwing them in the bin with seawater. But I'm liking the filling icecream containers with sea water idea. Not sure I'll even bother breaking them up just twrow them in with the sea water.
I love the KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) technique.
Thanks Rob/Dagwood BRILLIANT
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Posted By: Reel Crusader
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2012 at 9:13pm
Here's some info from an Aussie chilly bin maker's website ( http://www.xtracool.com.au - www.xtracool.com.au ) on making salt ice to keep your bin cool. I haven't tried it yet but seems to make sense and they must have even greater challenges over there keeping their catch cool than us:" 5.What is the best way to use salt for keeping things cold?Here is a tip for preparing ice that is very useful. Water with salt dissolved (brine) has a freezing point below 0 C. - Check what is the temperature of your freezer.
- Prepare water salt solution with freezing point 5 degrees higher.
- Fill this into your containers, seal and freeze in the freezer. When filling leave some air in the container about 1/5 of volume to avoid blowing it up when freezing.
Then use them for your ice box. Because when the ice in these containers thaws at a temperature below 0 C it will keep your ice box cooler.
Use the following proportions: - Freezer temp -20
- Brine freezing point: -15
- Salt proportion: 22g for 100ml of water.
- Freezer temp -15
- Brine freezing point: -10
- Salt proportion: 15g for 100ml of water.
- Freezer temp -10
- Brine freezing point: -5
- Salt proportion: 8g for 100ml of water."
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Posted By: Bob.f
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2012 at 10:07pm
That's better than my, "Ooh yes, that's salty". Taste test 
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 11 Feb 2012 at 11:13pm
I was given a look thru a seiner in the solomons a few years back, very interesting, they scoop the skippies and yellowfin straight from the seines in the braillers, and pour them straight down chutes that empty straight into slurries of brine that are at -15degC. Kills and chills the tuna instantly.

 
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