Where to look.
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Category: Saltwater Fishing
Forum Name: Popper and Topwater Fishing
Forum Description: If you're into a bit of action on top, this is the forum for you
URL: https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=69360
Printed Date: 06 Jun 2026 at 5:51am
Topic: Where to look.
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Subject: Where to look.
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 3:10pm
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hey fellas, I am after info, yes over the years I have caught probably more than my fair share of kings nothing over 30k but here's hoping, anyway I have a question when you out chasing kings with the sticky baits what area's do you target, or do you hunt them down or blind cast in the hit and hope thing, I would be very interested to hear from guys who do well at this as other than a very few rats I have never got a decent king on a popper. so please fire away as it will help a some what novice at this sort of fishing. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 3:50pm
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I've done buggar all of this type of fishing as well but always thought that a sweet idea would be to run unarmed marlin lures (teasers) around headlands and the usual sorts of haunts and once the fish are located/raised....knock the boat out of gear....tease the bejesus out of them till they're white hot then start firing poppers/stickbaits in to the mayhem......dunno might work but probably goes against some stickbaiting code of ethics or perhaps already a normal practice?....reckon you'd get some pretty awesome visual bites thou especially in calm waters..... ...and an added bonus of trailing teaser lures and warming up a crew for the real deal (T&S) on marlin?.... EDIT - just thinking about this a bit more....instead of knocking the boat out of gear straight away you could effectively 'lure' them out from gnarly terrain in to more suitable country?
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Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 4:05pm
| Bait fish coming close to the surface ( 0-20m down), over reefs , teasing them is a good idea , using birds etc |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 4:13pm
| Is the tease idea something that already happens Legacy? |
Posted By: Aaron32987
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 4:13pm
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Land based fishing the usual deepwater / good current ledges, livebaits out, casting out and also along the face of the ledge with the bigger stickbaits on the weed line.
Well that's my plan for the upcoming season from the rocks.
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Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 4:14pm
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I'll be watching this thread with interest too. Have found it a difficult transition from jigging to topwater in terms of finding spots where the kings frequently come up to the surface. But I've also haven't been that patient and to easily fall back on jigs. Its also easier to position the boat with jigging as your sounder tells you what's directly beneath the boat and you can get jigs down to them quickly. There probably is a code of ethics but I'm not into that BS......... Would definitely prefer just to get out there casting but I'm starting to like the idea of anchoring up at a certain point and dropping 50kg of burley  I don't think anyone has convinced me that topwater is the most successful way of catching kings, but the visuals are cool and using those long rods evens up the fight a bit and pushes you harder. Add that to the fact that working stickbaits and the lures themselves are a bit of an art form it makes for some mean fun. ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: Legacy
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 4:31pm
| Mark from Extremesportsfishing talked about it on his talks , using lures , birds or even a stickbait , we've often towed one around , moving spots , several people I know have hooked up doing this. I rekon a string of birds or a couple off each corner of the transom would be good , get the kingis looking up. |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 4:40pm
| Sweet...not such an ori-jinal idea in that case...as you were. |
Posted By: photog
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 4:47pm
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From the stick baiting and popper fishing Mike and I have done 10 - 20 metres over drop off reefs foul, and the usual places like bouys and channel markers. Drifting has worked best for us and when "looking" casting both sides of the boat whilst drifting gives you a pretty big look. If the Kingies are there the response is usually instant, with often multiple follows. It really is very visual, energy charged way of fishing. There have been times we have had 20 - 30 king chasing, shouldering each other out of the way. They are usually 8-15kg but we often see much bigger beneath them. The trick I guess is getting to those bigger fish. I have used them off the bricks, that have brought the kingies into the live baits.
Best fish I have hooked on popper was last week which was a solitary fish that just smoked me before the hooks pulled. ------------- If I'm not taking photos I'm fishing. If I'm not fishing I'm taking photos, either way I'm having fun. |
Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 4:51pm
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Guys if you want to use a teaser to bring kings up then get onto mark at decoro and ask about the Patriot design lures. Believe me at this stage there is nothing that i have seen that wroks better as a kingie teaser.
They are so good i was relcutant to even post this. ------------- www.extremesportfishing.co.nz. Agent for Carpenter, Orion and ASWB products |
Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 5:04pm
Heres some proof
------------- www.extremesportfishing.co.nz. Agent for Carpenter, Orion and ASWB products |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 5:17pm
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Those are those jumbo sized buzz-baits yeah? They sure look very interesting. When you are out jigging, often you will get the kings chase the lures very close to the boat.... when this happens, just put the jig rod down for a minute, pull out the popper rod (or stickbaits) and start working it.... the fish will be all fired up and close to the surface. even better if you have someone still working a fish or jigging at the same time. |
Posted By: pure--lure
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 5:57pm
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of the rocks tease them with a popper/stickbait pull away from them a couple times then let it sit or if your cheeky bit of topic throw a rigged pipper once the waters foaming lol
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 8:09pm
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thanks guys, some good advice right there, yeah Kezz with the marlin lures, we used to do it alot out of tutukaka and we scored some nice fish but the lures had hooks in them, so yeah a tease up would be the go alright. well living up here I have plenty of scope to look at so a trip with the good captain will be the go ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Nepptune
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2011 at 11:05pm
I have tried all number of fancy japanese lures, stickbaits, floating and sinking, SB's, weighted and unweighted.... no joy... unless its being wound stright and fast, the Kings aren't interested....
For ages I've been looking for a "secret weapon" to get these frustrating fish to commit more often rather than only 1 in 30.... these fish don't know a premium bait when they see one!!!
Our fish being alot smaller probably won't react kindly to a big prop bait like the PD version, and as our fish are mainly feeding on small anchovies, I reckon I might have to sneak myself into the bass fishing section at a local tackle store and pick up a few dying flutters, and upgrade the hardware and see how it goes...
Those of you not familiar with the "Dyling Flutter" its a classic bass fishing topwater, from Heddon ( same company that gave us the Zara Spook ) which has props both front and back, and comes as a version with just the rear blade.... might just be the right way to go....
http://www.landbigfish.com/showcase.cfm?PID=165 - http://www.landbigfish.com/showcase.cfm?PID=165
Might also be worth looking at the Peacock Bass lure classic, the Wood Chopper and Amazon Ripper... These baits are built to withstand Peacock Bass abuse, so "Should" be pretty tough with upgraded hooks etc...
http://www.monsterpeacockbasslures.com/Topwaters.html - http://www.monsterpeacockbasslures.com/Topwaters.html
Not sure if they will survive the class Kings you guys are blessed with, but they should handle our little guys no problem!
Cheers
Dre
------------- TO RIDE, SHOOT STRAIGHT AND SPEAK THE TRUTH. 
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ginga wrote:Posted By: JoshW
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2011 at 4:36pm
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In the summer in the BOI I usally just boost around and chuck lures at everything I can, bouys piles, rocks reefs, points, bait schools, work ups etc. Take note of the tides you raise fish at certain spots on.For many of the spots I frequent getting the tide right is everything. some spots I only make a couple of casts and if i don't raise anything move on, but for the deeper reefs/ baits schools I may cast for an hour or so in the same area trying to raise something. In the winter we often find surface feeding schools out deep (60-100M) but they are a lot more hit and miss getting on to them on top.
Re teaser idea, last summer we popped a bunch that raised to a spearfishing bouy being towed behind the boat while setting up to drop a mate in on a snapper posie. |
Posted By: sid fishus
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2011 at 7:23pm
those the ones with the twin belly hooks mark? ------------- I always tell the truth about things that never happened |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2011 at 8:00pm
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thanks Josh I will be doing that, just got a new rod today and will put either the shimano 65 or the fin-nor 95 on it ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2011 at 7:26pm
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well the week a head is looking good, so I will head up the coast and see how we go, lots of good areas up here to have a look at and a couple of places I want to cast a lure at for snapper, will give the rod and reel a work out for sure even if it is just casting about ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: DLS
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2011 at 8:19pm
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Was wondering how those Atomic Piles would go on our kings. Are Decoro the agents for Patriots? Some nice looking lures for sure and those Patrol magnum stickbaits look serious as. http://www.patriot-design.com/english/index.htm - http://www.patriot-design.com/english/index.htm
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Posted By: KeenJigger
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2011 at 12:25pm
| Yup 2 sizes in the atomic pilly are in stock now , other patriot lures , gloves etc also available..... |