Knots for braid
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Topic: Knots for braid
Posted By: smudge
Subject: Knots for braid
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 10:22pm
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Post your pics/illustrations/links in this thread for knots suitable for braid. |
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Posted By: 1Daz
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2011 at 7:42pm
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My favourite way of joining a Fluro or Mono leader to Braid. (Soft Bait fishing) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDvMaydIXyI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDvMaydIXyI ------------- Go the Warriors! |
Posted By: snapazapa
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2011 at 5:09pm
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PR knot,you need to practice it but once you know it,it easy...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbhvZi0fiM4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbhvZi0fiM4
Only difference is with s/bait fishing you can shorten the knot considerably ------------- Live life to the fullest... |
Posted By: DLS
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2011 at 7:57pm
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Heavy braid for casting and a quick fix if my PR gets damaged http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueatfyziKRE&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueatfyziKRE&feature=related
For softbaiting, short double bimini or spiders hitch to albright.
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Posted By: NoobZealand
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2011 at 9:32am
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does any one know where u can get the rope/ braid, that the use at pauls fishing kites that goes over the mono line ? http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/fishingknots/spectra_fishing_line.html ------------- Winter yields few big fish, summer yields plenty of legals. |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2011 at 6:53pm
| Try Pauls fishing kites .... |
Posted By: DAVE_
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2011 at 7:22pm
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This is relatively easy to learn.Good strong knot for joining braid to mono. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5zRWvJ_3s - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA5zRWvJ_3s |
Posted By: mole
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2011 at 9:48am
| yep go the FG |
Posted By: kinetiknz
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2011 at 6:39pm
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I use a lefties loop for leader to softbait. A five turn surgeon's knot for braid to leader. it's the easiest knot, just 5 grannies in a row. I've never had it come loose. I think I read somewhere that it's highly rated also. I use pretty thin braid, fireline 8lb matched to 20 lb leader, which massively out sizes it, and have never had an issue with the difference, aka doubling the braid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEeAoKvoKoc - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEeAoKvoKoc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Wtb7X5V6s&feature=relmfu - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99Wtb7X5V6s&feature=relmfu |
Posted By: NoobZealand
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2011 at 3:18am
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hi, i have just spooled my reel with 20lb 0.18mm sufix pro fuse. the orange stuff. when i reel it in it makes a noise.in time will it cut the guides?? ------------- Winter yields few big fish, summer yields plenty of legals. |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2011 at 7:10am
Not if you have fuji sic guides, straight metal rod guides are not good with braid though  -------------  www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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NoobZealand wrote:Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2011 at 7:56am
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Best and easiest knot for braid to clip or hook is the Paloma knot - easy to tie with your eyes closed and very reliable. http://www.animatedknots.com/palomar/index.php - http://www.animatedknots.com/palomar/index.php
------------- Be yourself; everyone else is already taken |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2011 at 10:21am
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FG knot for light braid.  instructions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4GCH6i5L2I and PR knot for heavy jigging and casting. ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: Tipper
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 6:09am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu18iKA2IdQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu18iKA2IdQ FG method for smaller lines, or in a moving boat ------------- Please make sure you have the full 'witty' Plug-In installed on your Internet Browser, or the default 'half-witty' output may affect your profile |
Posted By: gimmesomesnappa!
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 6:13pm
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How reliable is the albright knot when joining braid to leader? Has anyone had any problems with it when softbaiting? ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 6:38pm
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The Albright is about an 80% strength knot on mono...braid is more fiddly but... ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: gimmesomesnappa!
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 6:43pm
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So probably not a knot you would to rely on if you were struck by a horse?. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 6:44pm
agree, not a knot I use...just saying ------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 6:57pm
no mate Al uses a granny knot.......  try the no name mate but double the braid, I have used it for a very long time now and no regrets ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 7:03pm
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one thing you have to remember is not all braids are made the same... some are better with different knots hence the reason we have so many people using different knots and saying this one is better.... you will even note a difference when using nylon trace and a fluro..... so please write down which brand of braid your tying knots with when posting... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: gimmesomesnappa!
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2012 at 7:18pm
sweet cheers guys, that's my sunday sorted then ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: hogdog
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2012 at 9:05am
| I use the modified allbright with windons for jigging and never had any issues, but prefer the surgeons knot for softbaiting and again never had any issues with that knot |
Posted By: gimmesomesnappa!
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2012 at 7:51pm
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Had a crack with a soft bait tonite, was just practicing a bit while the rod was baited and sitting. I used an albright knot just to see how it casts and retrieves. Now I'm not so keen on it, the knot catches on the top eyelit every cast. When you retrieve when your using "braid to leader" knots do you treat it like a swivel and make sure it's not pulling through the eyelit?. Amateur question I know but can't hurt to ask. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: gimmesomesnappa!
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2012 at 7:52pm
Sorry Lethal don't know what braid it is but the leader is 20lb suffix invisitrace. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: mike555
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2012 at 4:26pm
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Hi, Do you guys have a knot for tying thin braid to thick braid on the spool.
Thank you
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2012 at 8:07pm
What application are you wanting this for Mike? either bimimi twist on both braids and loop to loop connection or back to back uni knot ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2012 at 8:10pm
google the FG knot. the ONLY knot needed to connect braid to mono for casting purposes so small but very strong------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: mike555
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 4:38pm
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Thanks kaveman
Will try the back to back uni to see how that goes
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Posted By: Olfart
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 4:53pm
------------- Semper in excreta sumus, solum profundum variat.... |
Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 27 Nov 2012 at 5:53pm
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Ok you must be using heavy traces and thicker braid, because i use 15lb fluro traces on a 12lb braid and just use the blood knot and it holds up really well..and it never get's caught in the top eye and interfere with casting..is the eye of the rod big or small? if to small replace with a bigger one. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> MH... Catch measure release...<*))))< |
Posted By: Big Manly Yaka
Date Posted: 14 Feb 2013 at 9:42am
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Not sure this the right spot for this question but.. I have some 50lb jigging braid that states it "recommended for spinning reels", will it be OK on an overhead reel? Whats the difference? |
Posted By: home bouy
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 8:51pm
| What's a good knot to use when tying braid directly to a swivel? |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2013 at 9:27pm
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Home Bouy I would double the braid and use a uni knot. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2013 at 12:05am
cant think of any line that will not fish a on a overhead reel Big Mainly, spin reels are better fished with a line that helps absorb twist, but in saying that when twist is excessive it will jump off and form tangles, at this stage its best you run it along a beach or behind a boat for a few minutes to straighten it.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 05 Jun 2013 at 9:09pm
Palomar is good and very easy to tie ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Twocan
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2013 at 1:30am
+1 and easy is an understatement. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: xXRawD3aLXx
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 8:46pm
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I suggest you contact my father in-law Bill. His name in the membership is UNCLE. He just taught me how to knot braid to a mono. Just learning myself and getting use to the jargon. Eugene
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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 16 Jun 2013 at 10:50pm
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Welcome Eugene, Uncle is truly a good bloke! |
Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 8:15pm
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_veJmdfHEGNc/TJyDtLDeUFI/AAAAAAAAAOo/ajmpkUdFc0k/s1600/Slide5.JPG" rel="nofollow">  Reverse Knot - For tying PowerPro to mono of larger diameter - easy knot
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_veJmdfHEGNc/TJyDv4Uvd3I/AAAAAAAAAOs/Y78KkUXZ7lo/s1600/Slide6.JPG" rel="nofollow">  Palomar Knot - For tying terminal tackle - easy knot
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_veJmdfHEGNc/TJyDzLH9aAI/AAAAAAAAAOw/mhy6k0HGdUU/s1600/Slide7.JPG" rel="nofollow">  Albright Knot - For tying PowerPro to mono of larger diameter - stronger knot
Lock Knot - To finish the Albright or Reverse Albright
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_veJmdfHEGNc/TJyD2RbLe1I/AAAAAAAAAO0/GWWXUH4Ow-A/s1600/Slide8.JPG" rel="nofollow">  No-Name Knot - For tying PowerPro to Fluorocarbon/Mono shock leader
And my favorite and the most trusted knot is............ Bimini twists knots on both the mono and braid and attached together by cat paw knot. My favorite braid is Fire Line Micro fused DYNEEMA, remember the word dyneema. For the fire line you don't really need to use "fancy" knots, your best 2 or 3 knots that you know how to tie to perfection will do the job. With this type of line I don't even use any mono top shot, attach your hook and sinker strait to the fire line and cast. some newbie fisherman will find this uself as well i hope.. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> MH... Catch measure release...<*))))< |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 10:04pm
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Jsf.. The Reverse Knot is actually a Yucatan knot, works ok too ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2013 at 10:11pm
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hi yerp saw that to lol :) ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> MH... Catch measure release...<*))))< |
Posted By: cheechy
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2013 at 9:40am
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was wondering if any one can help me out on this please,whem joining up surface long line to the main drum so we can start hauling it we used the blood knot is this allso called the back to back uni knot and is it all so good for connecting mono to braid cheers? |
Posted By: NoobZealand
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2013 at 10:14am
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http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/fishingknots/index_fishing_knots.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/fishingknots/index_fishing_knots.html -useful knots on it. when joining the main line to the drum and to braid use this one . http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/fishingknots/newuni_fishing_knots.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/fishingknots/newuni_fishing_knots.html ur braid will also need to be thick. other wise with the tension on the line. the braid will cut ur mono. ------------- Winter yields few big fish, summer yields plenty of legals. |
Posted By: cheechy
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2013 at 10:39am
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i dont long line any more so instead of a drum it will be my reel anf i got 50 lb braid ill give it a go heading dwn to tga in the weekend to try and jump on some those harbour kingd so i guess ill know if it works or not if i hook up on one cheers bro! |
Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2013 at 11:29am
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heres my doubled up braid knot for using on swivels etc.. most times about 5 turns to secure it ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> MH... Catch measure release...<*))))< |
Posted By: cheechy
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2013 at 11:50am
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[QUOTE=Jet_ski_fisher]heres my doubled up braid knot for using on swivels etc.. most times about 5 turns to secure it looks pretty easy to tie was wondering if its reliable' |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2013 at 12:37pm
That knot above is a simple clinch knot, google palomar knot, way better and easier to tie as well ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Jet_ski_fisher
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2013 at 12:42pm
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true but it's easy for the newbies to tie and use, just have to remember to double the braid up and it works well...palomar knot yes it is good to... ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> MH... Catch measure release...<*))))< |
Posted By: OneWayTraffic
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2014 at 11:57pm
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The knot that you tie the best is the best. The FG knot may be the bees knees, but I've yet to crack it. I can easily tie: 4/5 turn Surgeons loops then loop to loop connection. As strong as your weaker loop. Easy to tie, bulky. 4/5 turn Surgeons knot. A 2/3 line strength knot at best. Easy to tie, and a good fallback on the water. GT knot. This is now my go to knot. A mix of the no-name knot with FG style weave of braid onto mono. If tied to a heavier leader can get as strong as your bimini. Can be tied without a loop. Yucatan knot. Reliable but I don't like the way the tag end hangs off at 90 degrees. Albright knot. I lost a lot of gear to this. |
Posted By: Motorhead
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 9:53am
There is a video on Big Angry Fish website where Nathan explains/shows how to tie an FG knot. It's the best I have ever seen and quite easy to learn after a few attempts.
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Posted By: Olfart
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 10:11am
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Surprised you are having/had a problem with the Albright knot, OWT. Were you tying the standard knot or the Improved Albright? Braid needs to be tied around the leader...do it the other way and you will get failures. I have been playing around with the FG knot and it does seem to be a lot slimmer than other knots and should pass through the top guides on fishing rods more easily. What I have found so far is that it is easier to tie this knot when you have a reasonably heavy leader - I have had best results when using 30lb fluorocarbon but not as successful when using lighter leader. May just be me and my fumbling around, though... ------------- Semper in excreta sumus, solum profundum variat.... |
Posted By: mmmWord
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 12:38pm
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I've had some issues with the Improved Albright too, with the leader breaking at at the rod-end of the bend. ie I get all of the nicely wrapped braid back to the boat, wrapped around one strand of leader. I really haven't explained that well, but I wonder whether I was cinching it up too tight, thus causing the leader to bend too sharply around the braid. I'm still using it though, mostly out of laziness (and becasue sometimes it seems to work well). |
Posted By: Olfart
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 12:46pm
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When I tie my Improved Albright knots I always double the braid (more often than not I will tie a shock leader to form the doubled line using a 5 turn Surgeon's knot) but this just a preference, a simple folded double in the mainline will do just as well. I find by doubling the braid/mainline this adds strength to the knot and when you are using light weighted braid it also makes the knot easier to tie.. ------------- Semper in excreta sumus, solum profundum variat.... |
Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 1:10pm
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I have found a lot of people don't pull tag ends etc tight anuff I leave a Lil length on the tag ends for the first few fish this makes sure it is pulled up tight and will not slip out Albright is a great knot. I do tie FG knot more often than not but there is a supper easy way to tie it with out wrapping braid around your fingers Ill make a Lil vid if ya like ------------- http://www.facebook.com/hauraki.hillbillys |
Posted By: Olfart
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 1:16pm
Do it Mitch! It all helps the collective knowledge.... ------------- Semper in excreta sumus, solum profundum variat.... |
Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 1:19pm
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No probs will make a Lil vid tonight for yas ------------- http://www.facebook.com/hauraki.hillbillys |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 4:29pm
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Thanks Mitch, look forward to it. I've been playing around with a line tester lately and it is surprising how strong some basic knots are. Some people are better at tying one knot that another. For instance I seldom tie an improved clinch knot as I cant rely on it. I've seen others tie it and it is very strong every time. Obviously I'm doing something wrong when I tie it even though it is real easy. ------------- Best gurnard fisherman in my street |
Posted By: Juan night only
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 4:45pm
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I only started using braid last year and have found for me the FG knot has been bullet proof and easy to do once you tie it a few times. I like the video Nathan (Big angry fish) put out, super easy to follow. I was worried it wouldn't hold the first few times I tied it, but now I can test my knot and have the braid break not the knot. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2014 at 6:47pm
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you want something quick and simple then learn this, i use it on my Kubura/Soft bait/Jitterbug outfits, for really thin braided lines of 2 to 10kg you need to put 5 turns of the 6 to 15kg trace. give it ago no double you only double the braid in your hand with 5 turns of the trace, hell even a child could tie this knot and takes no more than 30secs to tie... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2014 at 8:47am
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The albright , which have used for a while, since the leader is bent back, and even when tag cut short, has a tendency every so often to 'clip' the top rod eye on the way out. So have been looking at the FG.... This doeant hive a tag to hit the top rod eye There is the angry fish u tube video.....excellent illustration.... Been messing with that... and when that finishes there is another ... think Aussie guy who demos a quicker 'knitting' type method which I think is what is referenced above... and alternates the 1/2 hitches direction at the end Listen to comments on both to nail this knot. u dont have to get the turns pulled right down as u go... angry fish do in sets of 4....sets of 12 and 15 work well to....And dont over lap the consecutive loops....so doesnt matter if spread out a little. But when one does the larger number turns, only do the 1st and maybe 2nd finishing 1/2 hitches... THEN pull the loops up holding the leader and main line.. slowly... the whole knot will slide up the leader till grips... so have a good amount of tag on the end Then finish off the rest of the 2 sets of 1/2 hitches Once that is done, I sort of uni the main line tag with 3 to 4 turns around the end.... Unlike most other knots(eg Albright) where the leader tag faces the rod guides on the way out, the FG faces winding in, is smaller, but with a final uni turn one can cut off real close to the finish and it holds very close in....And if the final uni happens to loosen off or what ever it doesnt effect the over all integrity of the knot. And albright and many of similar knots are basically a variation on the basic sheet bend The FG is more like a braided tow rope, where the end is feed up into the brads .. when pulled tight, it is self gripping... extremely efficient....same princple is used for large cable pullers... because of no tags to catch when pulling blind underground or walls etc |
Posted By: speckledknob
Date Posted: 12 Feb 2015 at 10:56pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D3EB4lNcs0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D3EB4lNcs0 Alternative to Big Angry Fish and Aussie guy's versions of FG.... kinda a reverse FG - how I learnt to do it. Tie off mainline to eye of rod and turn reel handle to get tension then way you go... a hell of a lot more half hitches than needed it seems? probably pays to watch all 3 if you can be bothered... Interested to see what some of the more experienced guys on here think of the above variation? Has done the trick for me so far (which isn't saying much). On the water I generally don't have the patience and use the 5 turn surgeons.... bit clunky through the guides but strong fast and easy. wouldn't want to cast big poppers or stickbaits with it for extended periods of time tho...
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Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 13 Feb 2015 at 8:19am
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Read thru this current thread http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/line-knot-issue_topic107355_page1.html |
Posted By: nathchef
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2015 at 7:58am
| Any ideas for braid to braid? Both identical 10lb, just want to turn 2 spools of 100mtr into 1 spool of 200mtr.. double over then back to back uni? |
Posted By: jaytheham
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2015 at 8:58am
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I've found the J knot to work well for braid to braid, it's the third image here: http://www.fieldandstream.com/photos/gallery/fishing/bass/where-fish/2009/02/strongest-fishing-knots?image=2 |
Posted By: nathchef
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2015 at 9:32am
| Nice one, cheers Jay |
Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2015 at 9:59am
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I use Improved Albright knots joining braid to leader all the time. It's important to double the braid so it gets a proper grip on the leader (and I have found a tied double is much better than just doubling it and later trimming at the knot). It's also important to lubricate it with lots of spit and to pull it up really tight, pushing the wrapped braid as far as you can back towards where it came form. I usually go 9 turns up and 8 turns back. Not only has this secured many horses of snapper on 10lb braid/20 or 30lb fluoro, but we also use it on our 24kg braid/80lb leader kingfish jigging gear. Lots of practice means I tie the knot very slim and trim it really close, so it slips through rod guides easily. The only failures I have had in the last few years have been where I've trimmed the line in the knot - but that's been maybe twice in the last 3 years.------------- PJ |
Posted By: Gowest
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2015 at 3:29pm
Either that or make two doubles and cats paw maybe |
Posted By: PJay
Date Posted: 20 Mar 2015 at 7:09am
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10lb braid to 10lb braid - I find a blood knot with plenty of turns works as well as anything, though admittedly it's better with the limp rather than fused braids. Its huge advantage with these light braids is that it ties down very small, so doesn't catch up the rest of the line on eg small baitcaster spools (or line guides), so doesn't hinder casts. ------------- PJ |
Posted By: Tortise01
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2016 at 4:48pm
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I use the figure 8 on my line and Uni Knot on the braid. It hasn't failed me yet. |