How do i reduce wind knots??
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Printed Date: 06 Jun 2026 at 10:35pm
Topic: How do i reduce wind knots??
Posted By: DAVE_
Subject: How do i reduce wind knots??
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 4:21pm
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I am fairly new to fishing poppers, I am solely based on the bricks. Setup is VS80a on van staal 8ft rod, 65lb suffix w 120lb mono leader. Today I was casting a williamson 120g popper, I cast firmly without too much trajectory but suffered multiple wind knots, I have had this with finer braids in the past but just looking for some pointers from you all if you would be so kind?? |
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Posted By: 621
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 4:52pm
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Hi used to have this problem too. This worked for me - changed to dedicated casting braid (most top brands have a range of casting braids) and do not overfill the spool (take off about 35-50m from where you would fill for jigging). Reel lip shape and rod guide size can make a difference I suspect but the above worked for me
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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 5:15pm
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bulky joining knots cause wind knots as well,they slow the line down going thru guides but its still comming off the spool fastand lops around guides
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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 6:09pm
DVS, try the "search" function at the top of the page...Quite handy for this kind of stuff  Here's a link to a thread when searching "wind knots"... http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/wind-knots_topic61405_post876317.html?KW=wind+knots#876317 - http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/wind-knots_topic61405_post876317.html?KW=wind+knots#876317 I busted off today whilst testing proto diving pencils, I would suspect it was from loose wraps on the spool as the lure beforehand kept skipping out...  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: Nomad
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 6:27pm
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there are a few reasons that you may be getting wind knots, the stripper guide on the rod could be placed wrong, over full spool on your reel and slack line on the spool could cause wind knots, using a FG knot to attach the leader could help reduce wind knots, using a quality casting braid like Jerry Brown or Varivas will help, wind knots happen to all I have seen one of the best GT fisherman in the world cast,wind knot,snapped line and by by to a borrowed lure.
The way I set up for casting is 100 lb Jerry Brown hollow core, 150 lb leader using a FG knot ------------- Ben Pokaia <a href="http://www.nomadsportfishing.co.nz"> 
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Posted By: Falco
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 7:41pm
My heart rate climbed a wee bit...  ------------- as dead as dead is |
ReelAppealLures wrote:Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 7:54pm
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Some nice supple leader will make a difference.
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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2011 at 8:32pm
Nah that one would have read... I busted off today and got wet retrieving .... ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reel-Appeal-Lures/300309486704362 |
Posted By: DAVE_
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 6:36am
Thanks for the info guys! should have done a search first 
Thanks Fish i, using the BM 120lb supple dont want to go too much lighter??
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Posted By: DAVE_
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 6:39am
| I dont think it helped that my mate at the fishing shop put on quite a long PR knot that seemed to clunk from the guides, probably best for jigging not casting?? I have since cut it and rejoined with a nice 50 turn bimini to FG knot. Hope this helps for starters, dont really want to pull off the spool of new braid. |
Posted By: TIN TUB
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 8:33am
| yep I shorted my leader to 1.5 - 2m and got ride of the issue. may not be convensional but solve the problem |
Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 10:41am
If you ball the leader at the PR knot(not needed)...it can get caught on the guide too but a short PR casts well i reckon.Similar length to the FG 25 to 30 mm... make sure you put your braid on your spool under good tension and allow for it compacting a bit overnight...I have noticed this every time i fill a reel...I use another reel to spool under good drag..If its put on too lose it will all end in  p.s whats with the bimini? FG goes straight to your leader.
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Posted By: DAVE_
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 1:27pm
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Thanks LBD.
I had the reel spooled by machine to avoid any dramas, most places I go do it for free.
I use a bimini twist when using shorter leaders to add additional abrasion resistance, especially with braid. I may be wrong.........thoughts??
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 1:34pm
Were using 80lb
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Posted By: Aaron32987
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 2:07pm
I don't think your bimini twist double will help at all if it contacts the rocks under tension, it will just be two strands sliced through instantly. Found this out the hard way using 80 lb braid for big snapper up north, even with 3-4m heavy leader the main line parted the moment it touched the rocks on the first run. 15 kg nylon landed me 3 good fish after that.
You might like to look at the varivas mono shock leader also, 130 lb = same diam. as 100 lb flouro (0.98 mm) and nice and supple for casting. I use 5 m tied with FG knot to the 80 lb braid and this casts very well. Also it is cheaper than the BM leaders ($40 / 50m comp. $30 / 30m)
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Posted By: DAVE_
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 3:16pm
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Cheers Aaron, I will look into varivas mono. Point noted re bimini, thinking now I see your point. It was advice I took from another fisho. Thankfully I have not had a bustoff using this method.
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 5:52pm
The bimini is a good knot for jigging(casting not an issue)...I do a 1 meter bimini and a wind on leader...The bimini spreads the load down each strand and the loop to loop connection is very strong...Ive never had a bimini fail in mono or braid.Its my prefered rig in fact.It is not good for casting though...so much resistance...the knot,the dacron loop....Its also easy to undo and put another wind on if you wish. The varivas shock leader is used by many as already said and is very good value for money.....suggest you get that and use either a short PR or the FG knot...i use the varivas avani gt and its good stuff but not cheap. As a rough guide...double your weight of mainline(braid) for the correct poundage of leader...eg pe6 is roughly 60 pound...double that and you get your 120 pound leader.Most people put 2 or 3 wraps around their spool and up through rod and about a metre/metre and a half down to the stick bait...I have used 6 metres and its been good but each to his own.
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Posted By: Jonny rotten
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2011 at 6:24pm
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+ 1 to above..... ------------- Rocking the CROCS since 2011 |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 10:53am
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pe6 is NOT 60lb lbd it is approx 80lb
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 5:28pm
 It varies between different braids bro and is a rough guide,not a precise statment....eg ygk jigman x8 pe8 is 80 pound/ygk Jigman x8 pe6 is actually 70 pound(if you wish to be precise about it) but varivas pe8 is 110 pound...so your above Statement is not set in stone------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 6:01pm
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I have had issues with braid wind=knotting up here as well so have reverted to the old stand-by of using Fireline. Problem solved. So, for me, I would look at getting that although Fireline is pretty thick, not nearly as thin as normal Braid. So, for me, for casting, Fireline.
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Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 6:04pm
I lifted this from Pro tackle website.........Product DescriptionThin, strong and very supple,YGK Ultra Jigman is one of the finest lines on the market today. Multi colored line with 5 different colors at 10 meter intervals. PE3-47lb breaking strength PE5-78lb breaking strength PE8-113lb breaking strength I thought Kev was on the money? I run a shorter leader than previously described with the leader being between the reel and striper guide when casting, it has helped eliminate wind knots, as well as ensureing the braid is not to fill on the reel. In addition I currently have some JB60 on the reel which casts pretty nice ------------- "I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for" |
Posted By: Falco
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 7:04pm
Ditto above re braid,I use ultra PE8 its 113lb  and the PE 5 was rated to 78lb maybe I got the "special stuff" along with Kev and Jas
but any way thats not the topic is it!
I dont get them, wind knots that is or hot women,most jokes,respect from peers,invites to partys..
 Currently using Daiwa boat braid becuase that is what it came spooled with,no problems so far..but I will replace it prior to a trip abroad at the end of the year.
Before that I have used YGK Ultra,and whiplash.
I think the braid has a little bit to do with it, but more to do with casting direction - for example castiing into the wind.This is when I have had wind knots in the past,so suggest it is to do with the line slowing through the air?
If its windy I bring out a heavier lure,more than likely it will also suit the water conditions.
Combine this with the correct weight lure,not too light or heavy for the set up you are using,a nice streamlined leader system,good casting technique and feathering the spool with the plam of your hand/finger tips once the lure reaches its max distance and starts to drop.
Also mending the line so it is taught on the spool prior to the next cast I think is important.
I cant put my finger on one cause but more little things combined.
I know guides etc have a bit to do with it but I have fished identical combos side by side other anglers and have seen knots when the other had none.
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Posted By: shaneg
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 8:12pm
Try nylon -20 lb to 30lb-works great, no wind knots. Short double -spider hitch and 80 to 100 pound short trace (supple balck magic) tied into double with a no name knot or spider hitch- strong as if tied right. Cheaper than those expensive braids and nice hookup and fight. Braid only good for softbaiting. 
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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 8:34pm
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I used to have issues with wind knots casting Suffix performance, I don't think it is a true 8 carrier dyneema weave braid, and is not the best casting string on the market. I posted up here about it and put a lot of advice into practice from members here, and I stopped getting wind knots; quality supple leader, playing around with leader length, ensuring tight line wraps on the sweep and wind motion, changing the distance the lure hangs from the rod tip when casting etc. etc. but probably most importantly to keep the focus and engagement in what you are doing throughout the process, even when there is visuals of biguns frothing the surface behind the lure and following under boat, that is; keeping the anxiety in check. I dunno about that fireline Phil, it's the ultimate light string for light tackle work, especially this new fireline exceed, but more a kin to stiff rope over 20lb, but then again that's just from me fondeling it in the shop, experience would talk more sense. ------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
Posted By: DAVE_
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2011 at 9:18pm
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There is a lot of solid advice here! I think I will start with varying leader lengths, mono brand, FG not PR and casting technique. Getting out on a charter hopefully next week so will give it another decent crack then. Cheers |
Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2011 at 7:30pm
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Easiest thing to try is shortening the leader. Nice and simple. ------------- www.extremesportfishing.co.nz. Agent for Carpenter, Orion and ASWB products |