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Topic: Rod building tips and questions
Posted By: Boulder
Subject: Rod building tips and questions
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 4:36pm
Hi guys there has been a question raised about a forum for rod builders.
Initially we will run it as a pinned thread and if traffic warrents we will spin it out into a seperate forum.

So take it away rod builders
hints tip and questions


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Posted By: Dohboy
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 4:50pm
About time Boulder, just as long a it does not turn into a spam fest like a couple of other forums i go onto, if builders use it to show off NEW things they are doing we will all learn something.

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Posted By: Jaapie
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 5:42pm
Anyone on here run courses for beginner rod builders?
 
Specifically interested in building fly rods and gaffs.
 
Looking at things like:
* finding the spine of the rod
* pro techniques and what they do
etc
 
If someone could put something up, I'll look into it next time I'm over.
 
Cheers


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Posted By: Dohboy
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 6:43pm
Originally posted by Jaapie Jaapie wrote:

Anyone on here run courses for beginner rod builders?
 
Specifically interested in building fly rods and gaffs.
 
Looking at things like:
* finding the spine of the rod
* pro techniques and what they do
etc
 
If someone could put something up, I'll look into it next time I'm over.
 
Cheers


I have run these in the past and am about to do another on soon, if you are keen just give me a call i am in auckland 8174202
Dean


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Posted By: daveo
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 7:13pm
any one in wellington run anything like that?


Posted By: Karlosnz
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 8:49pm
Originally posted by Dohboy Dohboy wrote:


Originally posted by Jaapie Jaapie wrote:

Anyone on here run courses for beginner rod builders?
 

Specifically interested in building fly rods and gaffs.

 

Looking at things like:

* finding the spine of the rod

* pro techniques and what they do

etc

 

If someone could put something up, I'll look into it next time I'm over.

 

Cheers
I have run these in the past and am about to do another on soon, if you are keen just give me a call i am in auckland 8174202Dean

Sweet taking Mel looking for a reel tomorrow and have a drawing with colours etc from her
Spoke with Damo tonight and he's keen and will get hold of you re a blank


Posted By: Dohboy
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 9:24pm
Originally posted by karlosnz karlosnz wrote:

[QUOTE=Dohboy]

Sweet taking Mel looking for a reel tomorrow and have a drawing with colours etc from her
.
So how does it look Ouch





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Posted By: Karlosnz
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 11:04pm
Originally posted by Dohboy Dohboy wrote:


Originally posted by karlosnz karlosnz wrote:

[QUOTE=Dohboy]
Sweet taking Mel looking for a reel tomorrow and have a drawing with colours etc from her
.So how does it look Ouch

Yea ummm yea I don't think it will be a rod I use


Posted By: Xtoad
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2011 at 1:34pm
Hot off the wrapper...
 
250g JM Custom Jigger blank
Fuji palm seat and MNSGs spiral wrapped
Gold black and silver tiger  wrap
 
Sorry about pics, camera sucks.
 


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2011 at 9:31pm
Nice stuff Xtoad Thumbs Up

So where are all the NZ rod builders getting their supplies from? 

GoFish, Mudhole, Rodworks etc... I am looking at giving it a bash but would prefer buying within NZ.

Might start with wrapping a Gaff so I don't ruin a blank Embarrassed


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Posted By: MarkE
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 9:54am
Sam, Rodworks are local to me so I use them a lot. Mudhole are also good for those things that are harder to find locally and are good value atm with the high US dollar.

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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 11:02am
Originally posted by MarkE MarkE wrote:

Sam, Rodworks are local to me so I use them a lot. Mudhole are also good for those things that are harder to find locally and are good value atm with the high US dollar.

Thanks Mark, I was unaware you could buy supplies from Rodworks in Tauranga...

I was referring to  http://www.therodworks.com.au/ - http://www.therodworks.com.au/  so the more NZ suppliers I find the better Big smile

I have been scouring Mudhole lately, so much stuff I want/need LOL 


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Posted By: Xtoad
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 1:05pm
Blankwise I am a huge CTS fan. They will make you anything if it is not already in the catalogue. Their fly rod and inshore rod blanks are the lightest you will find. Incredible operation with a huge following in Europe and US..
Chris W can get you JM products, if you know the Synit team they seem to supply blanks to friends but not others.
While Greg at Gofish has less blanks available these days he has most other things. He always seems to have jig blanks and is a great guy to get advice from.
You can also buy retail from RA Conaghan in the city for all fuji products, flexcoat, gudebrod and some tools.
Haven't used Rodworks in Tga but I know the guys at Reel Rods up north  will supply retail as well.
Ross at The Rodworks in Aust is great and offers a real personalised service. Aussie dollar cross not good for buying there at the mo.
Acidrod in US has similar service.
Mudhole cover almost everything but they will piss you off at some stage.
 
There is always value in combining orders to the US so if anyone is keen....

Stu


Posted By: Xtoad
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 1:10pm
Originally posted by ReelAppealLures ReelAppealLures wrote:

Nice stuff Xtoad Thumbs Up

So where are all the NZ rod builders getting their supplies from? 

GoFish, Mudhole, Rodworks etc... I am looking at giving it a bash but would prefer buying within NZ.

Might start with wrapping a Gaff so I don't ruin a blank Embarrassed
Ta mate, there is little chance of you ruining a rod given your skills in the lure making department. It is all attention to detail and timing. I would suggest you go for it. You could get one of the Mudhole kits which come with everything you need and make a rod for a young fisho or the boss or something.


Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 1:18pm
x 2 on CTS , you guys are lucy to have them on you door step , I have had a number of there blanks and are all great , I am getting a one off blank to my specs made up at the moment ,  I find them very helpfull , If any of you guys have trouble finding Alps product let me know I can help you out ,   and stu the snakes around here are to bloody big to use . and nice tiger .
 
                    Ian


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2011 at 6:22pm
Originally posted by Xtoad Xtoad wrote:

Originally posted by ReelAppealLures ReelAppealLures wrote:

Nice stuff Xtoad Thumbs Up

So where are all the NZ rod builders getting their supplies from? 

GoFish, Mudhole, Rodworks etc... I am looking at giving it a bash but would prefer buying within NZ.

Might start with wrapping a Gaff so I don't ruin a blank Embarrassed
Ta mate, there is little chance of you ruining a rod given your skills in the lure making department. It is all attention to detail and timing. I would suggest you go for it. You could get one of the Mudhole kits which come with everything you need and make a rod for a young fisho or the boss or something.

Thanks, will wait until I have moved house, I have been promised my own lure finishing / rod building room... The kits seem like great value... I don't own a jigging rod so keen to build one.

Do you hand wrap or power wrap?


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Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2011 at 2:45pm
Here guys , The rod in the photos is a CTS Sea Master pro jig , All Alps XN guides and Alps Tri 20 reel seat , I built it to match my Accurate 197 , The thread is Gudebrod  black A and the trim thread is Sulky Silver Metallic silver and blue . I use the rod for coral trout , it is a graet little fun rod , line class 10 to 15 kg ,


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2011 at 11:39pm
Wow Ian, nice thread work! Nice and clean. Like how the thread matches the reel colours also. Great skills.

So with thread, A,B,C,D is referring to the thickness? I would guess thicker thread is easier to lay down when learning? A= thin? and going up from there?

If my guides stay on the blank when I build my first I will be happy with that! Big smile


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Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2011 at 6:05am
The 2 most common thread sizes used are A and C  , I use A , it takes a while to get used to , but in imo it makes for a neater wrap , as in the thread doe's not stand out as much , C is like rope compared to A .


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2011 at 11:33am

Originally posted by Red Hunter Red Hunter wrote:

The 2 most common thread sizes used are A and C  , I use A , it takes a while to get used to , but in imo it makes for a neater wrap , as in the thread doe's not stand out as much , C is like rope compared to A .

I will go to the optician then try some "A" thread LOL

Just acquired a power wrapper / dryer... Next up materials Wink

Now back to the lures to pay for it all Shocked Big smile


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Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 07 Apr 2011 at 7:46pm
Here guys , this is a photo of all the stuff you need to wrap a rod , see it is not a lot ,


Posted By: Xtoad
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2011 at 11:19am
Where's the 13 empty beer cans?


Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 09 Apr 2011 at 12:35pm
Nar only need 4 Tongue


Posted By: kiwifred
Date Posted: 25 Apr 2011 at 9:14pm
I must admit i am quite keen to make a couple of rods ... BUT know next to nothing in regards to blanks etc....  what should i be looking for ??  i am looking at making a 5'6" or 6' rod to use off my kayak ... need to be in the grunty end of the stick and would like a couple of different line weights ... probably 1 in the 10-15kg range and another at the 24kg end


Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 9:38am
What do you aim to fish for , and what type of reels .


Posted By: kiwifred
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 10:34am
looking at a general purpose rod with probably a shimano TLD15 or similar and a heavier rod for kings and puka and probably a shimano tld 25 or similar


Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2011 at 6:59am
I have been using a blank by Spinal , there series 2 Tuna range of blanks , very good blanks for the price , http://www.spinalrods.com - www.spinalrods.com   not as parabolic as there series 1 , shuts off about a 3rd of the way down from the tip , CTS in Auckland also have some very nice ones as are the Jigging Master blanks , all depends on your budget . also have a look at http://www.360tuna.com - www.360tuna.com you will see a lot of diffrent blanks in use in the rod buiding threads . very helpful and lots of pictures ,
 
                                                Ian


Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2011 at 7:20am
www.mudhole.com
www.acidrod.com
www.bloodydecks.com
it is a very fun thing to do and will give u the up most recpect for why custom rods arnt cheap and worth every dolla u pay
the set up is very expensive if u want all the goodies or do what i did and make some rollers out of 2x bits of wood with caster wheels on it the get anuther bit or wood and cut on a 75 degree angle and glue a bobbin on there and wabang your into it ill find a pic of my first set up i still have it some ware


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Posted By: MarkE
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2011 at 11:38am
For those that may not have seen it, this is also a good thread - http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/rod-building-the-good-oil-please_topic41736_page1.html - http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/rod-building-the-good-oil-please_topic41736_page1.html

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Posted By: Stefan
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 11:31am
I've been keen on getting into rod building for awhile now but haven't had the time/ outlay to get started.
Boulder it would be great to get a seperate forum for this!
Where are you guys getting your power wrappers from? Have a old sewing machine and microwave motor but my Kiwi DIY skills are just not playing the game...


Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 12 Jul 2011 at 12:04pm
Hey guys, just spotted this forum, right up my alley this! I used to work with Kojak and I used to pick his brains on ideas, since he was the MAN. Recently I have put my A into G and got some blanks sorted. My first attempt was to reguide a Kilwell rocky 2 jellytip from OH to spin with some better guides. I got my hands on some fuji hardloys and basically went hell for leather, and I soon learnt that rod building is a total be-yartch.

But never the less I managed to complete the goal. A bit rough I know , I know, but hey it was my first attempt with 100% follow-your-nose sort of approach. It wasn't till later that I found out how the back bone within a blank works hahaha. But the jellytips were designed to work both ways so thats all good.







Was happy with that to kick off the building bug.

Now I have 5 kilwell blanks to build in order of to-be-built:

1) ZWS85XJ - Kilwell Livefibre Texalium 1 pce 8'6. It is a 15-24kg rod but I plan to mod it down to about 7'8 to make it more of a 24kg rod suiltible for LBG kingies. It is in go-fish atm having grip and seat put in and I will finish it with the wraps and guides, which will be a basic style fuji hardloy heavy duty boat guide. Cost me $80

2) ZWS70MJ -Kilwell livefibre blank 7' with the red paint (same as kilwell built livefibres). It is usually rated at about 6-8kg or so. I plan to do the complete build now that the guy at go fish has told me how to fit up the seats and grips ect. It will have fuji BMNAG alconites on it. Cost me $54

3)ZWS70LJ - Kilwell livefibre blank 7'. Exactly the same as above but has a line class of about 10kg. Again will have fuji BMNAG alconites. $54

4) LTEX860 - Kilwell tex limetip 2pce 8'6. It's the old lime tip rocky blank that they used to build. Will have CMNAG (chrome) fuji alconites, 10-15kg class. $70 - I think it was the last one though???

5) I will not be building this blank as I ordered the wrong one. It is a kilwell ZXS70MJ. texalium livefibre. It is built for wilsons in auz who rate it a 10kg rod,  but I would rate the thing as a 15-24kg heavy/fast action. I am going to send it back but if anyone wants it they can have it for $70 as this is what it cost me.

Kilwell are great to deal with so anyone wanting to buy blanks NZ made and good quality look them up on the web and ask to speak to Neville. They have hundreds of blanks for all kinds of rods. Can't go wrong as they all come with a warranty, that is until you start cutting them down in any way.

So I will post pics on how its going.

I have some questions for now though. What sort of glue is used to glue up the grips and reel seats???

And I have heard that to get the reel seat to fit snug you just pack out the blank with masking tape? Is this good practice or is there other methods?

Cheers guys, I think this forum has potential to do well.


Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 5:50pm
OK so I chose the sacraficail lamb and went with the 8kg livefibre to try my hand at putting a grip and reel seat on after following this link :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLvFgHwz98Q - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLvFgHwz98Q

See mudholes' other vids for other great tips!

Ho-ley-shi-t-balls. If I had one piece of advise it would be to heat the glue up first and use heaps of it. I almost shi-t my self trying to push it down the blank, FRICK! Got blisters all on my hands. The plan was to do 2 blanks in a row but after that I think that I'll build them 1 at a time. But she came out mint as a mofo, pretty stoked with my effort to be honest because after about 30seconds of heaving and pushing I had a mid-crisis panic attack and almost cut the grip back off because I thought she wasn't ganna go. But it did. Perseverance is the key! No major dramas with the reel seat - perfect fit. Then the front grip (which I thought was going to be a bit easier) required just as much effort but also came out OK. Packed out the gimble and hey presto, shes all good to go for some thread work and guide fitting.

I ordered a hole bunch of treads, some glue, some finish, colour preserver and other tools off mudhole last night - great selection on gear they have. I managed to get a good deal on the guides through a fairy locally so they will hopfully all be here by end of next week. 

Before I bust on in to fitting up another rod I'll complete this one, test it out and see where I can improve on next time, rather than make 2-3 then realise that I have done something wrong.

I'll post pics when I finish the 8kg livefibre. Will be set up for stray lining.


Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 5:51pm
OK so I chose the sacrificial lamb and went with the 8kg livefibre to try my hand at putting a grip and reel seat on after following this link :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLvFgHwz98Q - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLvFgHwz98Q

See mudholes' other vids for other great tips!

Ho-ley-shi-t-balls. If I had one piece of advise it would be to heat the glue up first and use heaps of it. I almost shi-t my self trying to push it down the blank, FRICK! Got blisters all on my hands. The plan was to do 2 blanks in a row but after that I think that I'll build them 1 at a time. But she came out mint as a mofo, pretty stoked with my effort to be honest because after about 30seconds of heaving and pushing I had a mid-crisis panic attack and almost cut the grip back off because I thought she wasn't ganna go. But it did. Perseverance is the key! No major dramas with the reel seat - perfect fit. Then the front grip (which I thought was going to be a bit easier) required just as much effort but also came out OK. Packed out the gimble and hey presto, shes all good to go for some thread work and guide fitting.

I ordered a hole bunch of treads, some glue, some finish, colour preserver and other tools off mudhole last night - great selection on gear they have. I managed to get a good deal on the guides through a fairy locally so they will hopfully all be here by end of next week. 

Before I bust on in to fitting up another rod I'll complete this one, test it out and see where I can improve on next time, rather than make 2-3 then realise that I have done something wrong.

I'll post pics when I finish the 8kg livefibre. Will be set up for stray lining.


Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 9:51pm
Here's some pics. I ended up fitting up the grips on the 70MJ tonight as well. The suspense is killing me!

Can't wait to start wrapping em' up but it won't be for a while, will probably be end of next week untill I get the threads and stuff from USA.






Posted By: Tinky
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 8:08am
If you are going to start out and not sure how many rods you are going to end up making, it does not make sense to lay out big money in expensive wrapping machines etc. You can easily make a manual model and if the bug bites, then layout the cash for the real McCoy later.
This is what I did to make my first rod.
 
I attached a sewing machines thread tensioner to the front to help maintane thread tension when binding, and it works OK. As you can see it is very easy to construct, you dont need to be a rocket scientist!Smile
I took the rod to Greg (GoFish) and he put the epoxy on and put it on his machine to ensure a good even finish. As I bought most of the stuff from him, he did it for no charge.
If anybody is in Auckland, you are more than welcome to borrow this from me. PM me if interested.


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Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 8:53am
Here is a tip for you , smear glue on the inside if the gips too , then you will find it a lot easy to slide them down , also have plenty of acetone handy to wipe the glue off the blank ,


Posted By: Bigfishbob
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 10:57am
Originally posted by Red Hunter Red Hunter wrote:

Here is a tip for you , smear glue on the inside if the gips too , then you will find it a lot easy to slide them down , also have plenty of acetone handy to wipe the glue off the blank ,
 
Yeah smear Glue in in the inside of grips by using a butter knife blade, load it with a good gob of glue  and repeatedly wipe it across the end of the hole just keep putting as much as you can in there. Then get about a 8 mm wooden or metal rod and push it down through the inside of the grip to smear the glue around up and down the inside.
 
Then smear glue on the blank, from the point when the grip starts to bind on the blank.
 
Very messy but almost impossible to stuff it up when done this way. Over the years I have used by Ados and expoy for grips, haven't really found any difference between the two.  Put plenty of newspaper on your floor and push the grip down the blank. Have plenty of acetone handy for clean-up. Glue will build up on the leading edge of the grip, make sure your hands are clean, as once the glue gets on the absorbent surface of the grip , it's almost impossible to get it off, and will mark the grip when it dries.
 
As far as threads are concerned just use C or D grade. You'll never notice the difference once the epoxy is on there, and you won't drive yourself nuts trying to hand wrap A grade thread. The other thing with A grade thread is that with most rods except flyrods you need a bit of tension in the thread to hold the guide on, and A grade thread breaks very easily.
 
For tools the only things missing from the photo, is a burnishing tool, Flexcoat and Gudebrod  do them and they're good for tidying up & getting the gaps out of the bind once you've finished it. Bobins for holding the binding thread spools are also useful and you need some 10kg nylon for tying up pull-throughs for finishing off the binds.
 
You can use your fingers for thread tensioning, but make sure you keep them clean when using light colour threads and wipe them freuqently.
 
Use only NCP threads, then you don't need to use colour preserver. Colour preserver is a pain the A^%$$#@ becuase it goes white when the Rod gets wet after you've put epoxy over it
. Comes right when the Rod dries out but looks manky in the mean time.


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Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 4:05pm
Just something to think about ,I have found Flexcoat to turn a yellow colour after a while looks like shxx , I have been using Bullards Diamond 2 finish with excelent results , and alot better to work with , as for CP Casons crystal clear works very well , does not turn white , I only use A thread , for single and double over binds , but you will find C is the best way to start with , and I also try to stick with NCP thread .


Posted By: mrbig
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 7:22pm
yep most of them will go yellow over time, im now using prokote they reckon it stays clear the longest and great to work with.


Posted By: mrbig
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2011 at 7:30pm
not sure if any one has all ready said but when wrapping never use A thread over D thread you should always have A  for your under wrap and then C and D for overwraps far neater and easier to do.


Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2011 at 12:09am
cut down my livefibre today to 7'8 and got the guides spaced out. happy with that. As a general rule the guides should be in more or less the right place as long as there are no significant angles in the nylon when it is loaded up through them?

Just waiting on parcel to arrive to start binding... pics to come...


Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2011 at 7:22am
I gather it is a spin rod , if so you need to glue your grips, reel seat , butt cap and tip on ,  have you rod so it is at 45 degree , here is a starting point it is only a  [starting point ]  tip to first guide , 150 mm 160 mm 180 mm 210 mm 290 mm 420 mm , tape guides on place reel on and run line through the guides  now tie a line off tip and have a weight off it that puts a curve in the rod , grab line from reel and pull , not to hard , just enough that there is no sag in the line , you are looking to have a nice curve of line that follows the blank , you will have to move guides till you get what you want , it is called a static test , hope this helps .


Posted By: [email protected]@
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2011 at 12:41pm
"Mudhole cover almost everything but they will piss you off at some stage" What are the issues people have had with mudhole??


Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2011 at 12:55pm
Its will be for overhead, lbg for kings. But I have stray liners to set up to and I will do the static test on these! I am happy with the way the line follows the blank, so will just stick with what I have.


Posted By: Skipjack
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2011 at 1:35pm
Mudhole, you get $30 US of stuff they stick it in a fedex box and charge you $40 US to send it to NZ. Other than that have been pretty good.


Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2011 at 6:22pm
I brought 4oz glue, 4oz wrap finish, 1oz thread preserver, some tools and about 10 rolls of thread which all up came to about 75US. They only charged me 17US for shipping and all up it cost me about $105NZ. Pretty good. The only problem I have is that there was 3x threads they were out of stock of. So they sent the package and then said they will send out the other stuff when it arrives, much to my expence! So told them to flag that and I'll put an order in at a later date. I have some threads and guides to buy, anyone want the same and willing to split shipping???


Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2011 at 10:13pm


Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2011 at 10:15pm


Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2011 at 10:16pm
Spaced them, seems to run nicely along the backbone. Keen to put this bad boy together!


Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2011 at 10:31pm
Looking real good mate , a tip for you , when your order from mud hole tell them in the comments part not to back order , send what they have , also if you are interested in Alps guides I can help  .or any Alps product .


Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2011 at 10:44pm
Sweet man, I was looking into getting one of those heavy duty alps seats, they look like the ticket. Alps are nice but i couldn't find many sites that sell em. So decided to go back to the basics.

Will make sure I make a note, or at least if they could offer me other colours ect.

Has anyone used that pro-wrap? How have people found the rod smith threads? what is the best? I have hearb gudebrod is the ticket but it is very very hard to find these days due to ceased production.

What threads should I be looking to stay away from?


Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2011 at 2:43pm
Gudebrod are back but only doing limited stuff, although RA Conaghan aren't going to be bringing it in. The Pro Wrap is good, I've been using it for a while now and not had any probs. Rod smith is okay too but some of the colours needed a bit more CP than I would with other threads, and a couple of the metalics had so much twist it was a pain in the backside.
If anyone is interested I'm swapping out one of the motors on my drying racks for a 30rpm so if anyone is after a 6rpm motor let us know and you can have it for the cost of shipping.
 
 


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Posted By: camdog
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2011 at 6:21pm
good to see your getting stuck in tom. when should i put my order in for my fully rollered 10kg game rod?

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Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2011 at 9:33pm
Haha. Got my hand full at the moment man. Trying to fund for a couple more blanks and some guides! Eek, could be costly!


Posted By: Stefan
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 2:18pm

Can anyone tell me if you need colour preserver for metallic thread? Am looking at using it (size A) as underbind with NCP as the guide wrap.

And yes I am a complete novice to this.... LOL


Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 2:37pm
No mate not on Metallic , remember , no question is to silly ,


Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 4:39pm
You don't need it but if your doing an inlay with a metalic and a raw thread that you need to use CP with it wont hurt at all.
 
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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 5:05pm
I dunno but maybe some here might find this interesting...
In terms of what CP is actually good at, perserving a threads colour. When putting bright thread over a dark blank, even when using NCP thread, the dark blank can still creep through the bight or light thread.

In all three of these pics you'll see the left side of the bind is plain NCP yellow thread over the top of a nude graphit blank. On the left side of the spiral inlay I've split the right side into half again. The half closest to the inlay has 2 coats of CP the outside has 1 coat.
 
This first pic is A thread, the pics don't quite do it justice but the left side looks very dull in life (plus theres a dried bit of CP scum in it before I pulled it off)
 
 
These next two are both C thread with different ratios of epoxy and thinners, again in life there is a lot more difference than you can see in these pics but there is a lot.
Again you'll have to look closely but the difference is there and the inner part of the right side gives much better colour. The other difference is that the last pic has two c threads as inlay the top two have one metalic A and an ncp C thread inlay. There is a much higher consentration of thinners in the top two pics than the bottom pic. The higher the thinners the more transapent the thread can go, even with some NCP threads.
 
 
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Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 8:17pm
Here are some photos of a full metallic underbind , the thread is Sulky silver metallic in copper , silver  and black , being a flat thread it lays down very well  with the right  tension and speed you will get no gaps , but, and there is a but , it takes abit of getting used to but the results are great .


Posted By: mrbig
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 8:34pm
That looks awesome mate, i was wondering about trying that metallic under-bind will defiantly give it a go now.


Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 9:17pm
What are the pacific bay guides and bits like?

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Posted By: [email protected]@
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 9:27pm
Clap, that is stunning Red Hunter,
A quick qustion for any one who may have some of the ProWrap Metallic thread, has anyone ordered the blue steel or steel Grey?
http://www.mudhole.com/Shop-Our-Catalog/ProWrap/ProWrap-Metallic-Rod-Winding-Thread-Size-D-100-Yds - http://www.mudhole.com/Shop-Our-Catalog/ProWrap/ProWrap-Metallic-Rod-Winding-Thread-Size-D-100-Yds
 
I'm looking for a colour thread to match the Stella FE or new Certate any ideas???
 
  
 
 


Posted By: MarkE
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 9:39pm
Cluster, I used just a plain black thread for the guide wraps  trimmed with silver and gold - I have the new Certate 2500R and it suits it well IMO.


Posted By: [email protected]@
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 9:45pm
Cheers Mark,  the Blank is Jet Black, the reel seat and grips are also all black(not that it is an issue) was just wondering if there was a thread that was close to the two reels (as this may help me decide between the two), I will be going very simlar to you if nothing matches,
 
Cheers.


Posted By: MarkE
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 9:58pm
The pics of the New Certate are a little decieving, the body of the reel is a lot darker than what the pics suggest ( more black than blue). I'd definately go for a very deep dark blue or black thread if you go for the Certate.


Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 10:01pm
Cluster , PM me your address , I will post you a spool of pro wrap Silver Back 9840 , if you want it is the closed you will get to the stella in Pro wrap Metallic thread .


Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 10:08pm
Originally posted by Zambizi Zambizi wrote:

What are the pacific bay guides and bits like?
Cheap .


Posted By: [email protected]@
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 10:50pm
Cheers Red Hunter, PM sent, Re a deep dark blue to match certate, I'm guessing not a metallic, lookingWacko


Posted By: Stefan
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2011 at 11:02pm
thanks for the advice badfish 
redhunter that looks mint!
I have one more question.....
Am looking at building a 7ft soft bait rod to start with. Been looking at guides on mudhole, how corrosion resistant are TiChrome 316 SS frames? 


Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2011 at 12:48am
Originally posted by Stefan Stefan wrote:

thanks for the advice badfish 
redhunter that looks mint!
I have one more question.....
Am looking at building a 7ft soft bait rod to start with. Been looking at guides on mudhole, how corrosion resistant are TiChrome 316 SS frames? 


spend the extra $$ and get silicoln carbide guides,glvsg light spin in titanium but use a double foot for the stripper guide... ive got them on 2 rods and have lasted very well.in my experience anything guide with chrome will not last.




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Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2011 at 6:22pm
Finished my DIY rod wrapper today. bit of a copy off an off-the-shelf product but only cost me $17 and a bit of gluing and dowel to complete.



Works mint!







Thread it gudebrod, colour is fucia. Is quite a bright metallic but It will be toned down a bit by the time I put the black guide over-binds and I will jimmy up something for the butt end thread, thinking a black and gold spiral wrap or something. I have some red and gold twist on the way that I will be using as some thread bands to finish off each bind. Should go nicely with the red blank finish.

Pretty happy with the way it's going so far, not the best I know but it is my second attempt... 

Will have fuji alconites in spin.


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2011 at 7:02pm
Nothing wrong with that Thumbs Up Keep us posted on the build! 




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Posted By: Bigfishbob
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2011 at 9:44pm
Originally posted by Zambizi Zambizi wrote:

What are the pacific bay guides and bits like?
Pacific Bay pretty much copies everything and anything. Having said that their guides are okay have used them on a few rods myself.  Leave their reel seats alone though, whatever you don't like about fuji and Aftco reel seats seem to be magnified by Pac Bay. 


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Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2011 at 6:30am
Tomatrom , you are on your way now , looking real good mate .


Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2011 at 5:11pm
Originally posted by Red Hunter Red Hunter wrote:

Here are some photos of a full metallic underbind , the thread is Sulky silver metallic in copper , silver  and black , being a flat thread it lays down very well  with the right  tension and speed you will get no gaps , but, and there is a but , it takes abit of getting used to but the results are great .
Mate that looks great, I love that gold. I've used a few colours of the sulky but not the gold.
Your right bout it taking time to get use to it! My thread tensioner use to bind up on it and snap it every metre or so. Thats about the closest Ive ever been to a serious melt down while rod building
 


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Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2011 at 6:43pm
Bad fish the reason it will snap is to much tension , and that is the copper not the gold , the gold is in the other 2 rods I posted , a little bit of trial and error and you will get it , it is worth while .


Posted By: Stefan
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2011 at 9:25pm
Thanks of2fish hard to find titanium guides in different finishes but you're right will spend the extra $'s. Cheers


Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2011 at 11:26pm
Finished off the cosmetics today. A thin layer of finish tomorrow so the metallic won't make creaking noises.

Guide under binds are basic with gold trim bands on either side and in the middle (try keep it simple this time round...)



Had a bit of a stab in the dark at some twist-****. Came out OK, but I learnt a few simple lessons. Next one will be bigger and better. Candy apple and gold.





Sorry to plauge the forum, but just trying to get some more people interested in buiding their own rods.

I went down to kilwell factory today. Super worth while!


Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 7:44am
good stuff guys i am gona start working on butt wraps again soon not building rods though gona stick too the weaving for a while 
then i might get back in to the swing of things hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 8:21am
Yea I got it sussed now days Red Hunter. I don't even use the carrige and thread tensioner set up any more. I use bobbins and let the hanging weight of the spools/bobbing to set the tension. I like it because the spools aren't locked through any sort of guide so it allows me to do any inlay or detail I like, like twisted/braided inlays or even just back the whole spool back over so I can carry the thread under a detail if needed.
 
The more people that get into rod building the better! Hopefully that'll get the distributors to bring more gear in!!!! Mind you with the exchange rate at the moment Mudhole really does work out pretty good.


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Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 8:36am
Tomatron you are well on your way now , very good , and Badfish I agree , if any of this helps to have more guys building then that is great , in Auss there are not to many guys building ever , it would be good to see some guys posting no matter there skill level , I know how hard it was for me to learn , as I am miles away from any where , all I can say to any one out there wanting to give it a go DO IT , we will be here to advice , do not be afraid to ask for help . and if I can help with components just ask .
 
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Posted By: smizz
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 6:57pm
i am about to start building a wrapper and have an old cassette motor and because of the gearing it geared down to about 18rpm in the old play mode.. is that ok for drying or is it to fast? 

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Posted By: MarkE
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 7:11pm
Anything from 6rpm - 32rpm is fine. My dryer motor is only 6rpm but I think 18rpm would be perfect.


Posted By: Skipjack
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2011 at 9:48pm
It's good to apply two pot with a higher rpm motor (on large diameter blanks even more so) then on to a slower to dry (i think it levels out better).


Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2011 at 1:30pm
I think I should somewhat retract what I wrote in my last post about Mudhole being cheap at the moment. I just got my order confirmation for my $74.65USD order and the shipping cost is $41.92USD! Ouch! That is the first time I've had a shipping charge of quite that much on such a small order but be warned they do creap up.
Also be warned that on international freight you don't actually find out what the shipping cost is until after you've placed the order.
I'd expect shipping to be up there on blanks but this is just a bunch of thread and trim parts. My last similar sized order of $67.63USD had shipping of $16.55USD...
But as stated before, until the demand grows this is what we're lumped with.
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Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2011 at 3:12pm
That sounds madness! I just ordered a similar bunch of stuff, trims, threads and even 8oz of glue and finish and that stil onlty came to $17USD for shipping, and all up shipping inc it cost me $105NZ. Very well priced I think, considering you would be paying about $80NZ for the glue and finish alone if I was to buy here in NZ. 

If you can get it sent to somewhere close to a city like Auckland then it is cheaper. They wanted $65 to send another bunch of stuff to Warkworth, but for the same stuff to Birkenhead only wanted $35. 

I have some stuff to order soon so if anyone is keen let me know if they want to share shipping, just smaller stuff like guides and threads ect. 


Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2011 at 3:33pm
Be aware of the different types of shipping

UPS First class mail  = cheapest but no insurance or tracking(this is all you need for your supplies IMO)
Global Priority = 6-10days, good service with insurance
Express = top of the line 2-3days insured and tracked and VERY costly( good for very expensive items)


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Posted By: [email protected]@
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2011 at 4:35pm
Bad Fish did you use a different type of shipping this time?, I emailed them last week and they said postage would be about $50 U.S. but they didn't say which type of shipping this was.


Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 8:21am
There was no other option for shipping, option 5. International shipping was all that's offered and all I've ever used.
I'm gonna give them a ring today, I've been back through all of my sales orders and other than when I bought my power wrapper which cost $137usd to ship, I've not paid more than $17 to ship any amount of stuff. Worse still some of the stuff is on back order too!

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Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 12:28pm
Ouch that SUCKS


Posted By: [email protected]@
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 2:09pm
Keep us updated 'Badfish', what stuff did they put on backorder?


Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 2:49pm
yea will do, I've emailed them but as I said I'll follow that up calling them tomorrow morning cause it's 10pm there now.
The back order stuff is a couple 650yard spools of D thread in (don't laugh) Neon Yellow, Neon Pink and  2300yard of D in Regal Blue and 4800yard spools in A of the same colour and that stuff I want so I can get started on a game rod for a customer.


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Posted By: Tomatron
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 5:46pm
just got my stuff in the post today. very happy!


Posted By: gtrbaby
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 1:26pm
Hi folks - cool to see other people building rods - I have built about 50 or so in hte last few years - nostly for friends etc - all types form light tackle spin to stand up game - even done a few fly rods which have turned out pretty sweet.
once I figure out the picture upload - I will post some pics.
 
 


Posted By: gtrbaby
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by Xtoad Xtoad wrote:

Blankwise I am a huge CTS fan. They will make you anything if it is not already in the catalogue. Their fly rod and inshore rod blanks are the lightest you will find. Incredible operation with a huge following in Europe and US..
Chris W can get you JM products, if you know the Synit team they seem to supply blanks to friends but not others.
While Greg at Gofish has less blanks available these days he has most other things. He always seems to have jig blanks and is a great guy to get advice from.
You can also buy retail from RA Conaghan in the city for all fuji products, flexcoat, gudebrod and some tools.
Haven't used Rodworks in Tga but I know the guys at Reel Rods up north  will supply retail as well.
Ross at The Rodworks in Aust is great and offers a real personalised service. Aussie dollar cross not good for buying there at the mo.
Acidrod in US has similar service.
Mudhole cover almost everything but they will piss you off at some stage.
 
There is always value in combining orders to the US so if anyone is keen....
 
 
also Shofftackle.com are pretty good - cheaper FUJI guides than Mudhole - and they sell them as sets too - saves dicking around selecting all the sizes.  Skip is pretty good to deal with - altough he is more a a fly fishing guy.... 
Stu


Posted By: gtrbaby
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 1:35pm
 
4-6kg Softbait rod - Acid wrap  butt wrap with hook keeper


Posted By: gtrbaby
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 1:37pm

5weigtht 4 piece fly rod - custom made the window seat - painted the blank and colour matched thead - turned out pretty good



Posted By: gtrbaby
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 1:38pm
Some cork Inlay work I do.....


Posted By: gtrbaby
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 1:39pm
Tiger wrap


Posted By: Red Hunter
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 5:45pm
Very nice work , a lot of different skills there , and I agree with you on CTS blanks , they are as good as any you will get from the USA , I am using a lot of them now , I love them .



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