re-rigged lures...
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Topic: re-rigged lures...
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Subject: re-rigged lures...
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2010 at 9:54pm
Not thunderingly sure if this is quite the right spot to put this, but here goes.... I just got load of hooks in, and decided to re-rig the new Strike Pros I picked up the otehr day with singles.... The top lure is one that comes rigged with single hooks, so I thought I'd do the deep divers, and also a couple of the stick baits with the new singles. As you an see the odd style of the hooks eye means you only need the one split ring connecting the hooks and the eyes. They look pretty good to me! The bottom stickbait I replaced the light-ish owner trebles the lure comes with with heavy duty 4x strong 4/0 owners, and strong jigstar split rings. I also have popped a strong XOS owner split ring on the noses, with a good strong gamakatsu solid ring to tie onto... I will never understand why they pop split rings onto the front of lures to tie onto, I reckon split rings chew out a nylon trace on no time flat. I have a pile of the smaller minnows as well, for them I replaced all the split rings with the jigstar smallish ones, and again put a solid ring on the eye to tie onto. (not pictured) Now.... all I need to do is get to go fishing, and try the darn things out! :-) |
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Posted By: photog
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2010 at 4:57pm
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Interesting that you should have posted this as Mike (HP) and I have been talking in depth about this recently and are going to trial some stickbaits and poppers this weekend. Not fishing tho. We are just wondering how much the singles will alter the action of the stick baits if at all. ------------- If I'm not taking photos I'm fishing. If I'm not fishing I'm taking photos, either way I'm having fun. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2010 at 5:19pm
| Keen to know what you find then.... damn, I hope I don't have to re-rig them again, those big split rings are a bugger to open with the old thumb nails eh :-) |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 8:19am
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Were looking at running an assist off the front swivel like you do with a jig with a single on them so you can pre rig poppers / stick baits with a single tail hook. means to change em over you still keep the assist on the swivel and just have to change the bait with no trebles...... hoping we will be able to work out how to get them to swim properly by altering the weight of hook and length of assist. Got to be worth a shot for making release easier and safer without mutilating the fishes mouth. will also keep the cost of hooks down a bit only needing to carry spare assists rather than hooks on every lure. think on a popper it wont have any negative effects but on the stick baits it may alter things till we get it right.
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 9:09am
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There's been a post before about using assists on poppers instead of split rings and hooks.... actually I like that idea, as I think split rings are a weak point in any system really, however, they do keep the hook closer to the hook loop on the lures than an assist, that is the only issue I really have with the assists. I have also used assists on poppers before, and they work just fine, so I do know the concept works well. I have seen though that some folks have been using assists as per jigs on poppers etc, indeed there is a piece in the latest Sport Fishing Mag (from the States) that has pictures and discusses it, saying that this idea was kicked off in the Coral Sea? aussie and worked for them there.  I was thinking of doing the same with some of the stickbaits, as they have a tapered nose which would allow the hook to lie more ....I dunno... effectively?... alongside the lure, while I look at the way they would have to jut out aroundthe flared mouth of a popper and I just wonder how that would affect both the presentation and the effectiveness of the hook. It will be very interesting to see just what you find with them rigged that way! I may have to get myself anotehr couple of the stickbaits to rig with assists, what the hell, it's only money! :-) lol |
Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 9:55am
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You are totally messing with the balance of the lures when using anything but trebles and especially if you've got an assist off the front. The belly hook acts as a stabliser/keel so your stickbait is highly likely to roll with out it. Trebles are balanced my nature of design, drag them through the water and they run pretty straight, drag singles however and they will flap about all over the place. ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: JoshW
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 10:52am
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certainly no expert on this, but it seems to depend on the lure? Some run ok with singles, I've been using opposing singles (SJ 41's) on those daiwa stickbaits and they seem to swim and hook fish pretty well (i.e middle hook pointing left, back hook pointing right or vice versa). I hate trebles, and will avoid them when possible. |
Posted By: unlimited
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 10:55am
not all stickbaits need trebles eg, nomads if you look on their web page they show you a few options of rigging for casting and trolling. the high end stickbaits eg Carpenter will tell you what size split rings to use and size trebles to use. this will save you time on seeing what works. ------------- keeping it reel |
marx wrote:Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 11:30am
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Mike didn't you rig up a Nomad lure as demonstrated on website and have the lure roll and not behave as it should? I haven't used enough brands of lures to really comment that much, but from someone that was against the use of trebles a little while ago now I can't see what the fuss is about. File off one or two barbs and the trebles are easy to remove, at least in the larger sizes. ------------- Science for the mind and Art for the soul. |
Posted By: unlimited
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 1:09pm
this is how i rig my nomads, with the 150gm lures i use two SJ-45 9/0 back to back with a 11H split ring and at the back a 9/0 Jobu. the 100gm lures i use a ST 76 4/0 and a 8/0 Jobu at the back.rigged this way they swim very well and on there day out fish the more expensive lures
 when rigging Carpenter gammas i use ST 76 5/0's on the 160gm lures and on the 105gm lures i use ST 66 4/0's
 using these type of stickbaits you need to have the right rods and tecnique or they will not swim and catch fish,the good ol kiwi she'll be right wont cut it with these, once you have them swimming well you will dominate ------------- keeping it reel |
Posted By: marx
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 4:05pm
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Sweet thats good to know about the nomads, had heard otherwise.
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Posted By: seawolf
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 4:52pm
Took a bunch of Halco laser pro 190s rigged some with owner jobus and 2 split rings some with double tuna hooks some with the seargent singles with the inline eyes some with extra strong owner trebles and one with original hooks after we got the 71kg yellowfin last year on one with standard trebles to see what they all swam like. went up to lake rotoma with mask and snorkel and chris trolled them past me was very interesting most of the ones with singles had a very lazy action compared to the orig one but all trolled well up to and past 11knots.was amazed by the sound they make with the rattle inside could hear them coming from 400 meters away even over the hum of the 200yamaha 2stroke!
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 5:41pm
| You got that jellyfin on Rotoma !?? So THAT'S where they've all gone! |
Posted By: seawolf
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 7:22pm
| sssshhhh! next thing we know there will be spotter planes up there as well takn em out by the tonnage!! but seriously have you tested the strength on the decoy seargent hooks? the victorians are using em on there minnows for southern bluefin tuna ok but they seem light weight to me curious whether they bend out or snap under pressure? the big yellowfin was on standard trebles but he swallowed down deep the back treble was in the stomach lining and the middle hook in the gills would be worse on a stroppy 30kg fish that comes to the boat quickly an gets upset wen someone touchs the trace! plenty of albacore of whakatane and the liners getn yellowfin not far behind white so get those deep divers out there an get some tuna before they get canned forever! |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 7:40pm
Couldn't get my Nomads to swim with that rig at all. all they did was round and round the merry go round. very frustrating.
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Posted By: Falco
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 7:46pm
You will then find you can also tune the lure depending on where the knot is on the tow point,the joys of over complicating matters.
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Posted By: laidbackdood
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2010 at 10:35pm
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So no swivel in the system at all is it falco?I suppose line twist isnt an issue with braid. I have already crushed all the barbs on my trebles but i prefer gammies trebles to owners...find the tips break easily on the owners. ------------- Once the idiots turn up..Im outta here...No time for Drama Queens. |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 3:08pm
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You missed the best little lure in your strike pro order. Tuna hunters are wicked little poppers, great heavy duty value for money. ------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2010 at 3:46pm
Ahhhh..... ...there you go, right there in the middle, got 4 of the little buggers :-) All up I think I got about 30 lures. Thinking of re-rigging the smaller poppers, those tuna ones, with just a single assist, as they are small enough to be totally inhaled by bigger fish, and small enough that I think rat kings will swarm all over them, and trebles in that case are a big mistake! :-) |