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Topic: Braid
Posted By: Milan Radonich
Subject: Braid
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2004 at 10:25am
I have been told that braid dosent rot and last for years.



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Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2004 at 10:42am

 I'm still using some of the first stuff to come into the country. At a guess it would be 10 years old!

I'm a big fan of braid & now feel like I'm not fishing if not using it.

I understand it is UV resistant, certainly seems that way.



Posted By: Stormbringer
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2004 at 10:43am
yep ditto, I have had mine on for about 14mths and it seems sweet .. BUT I have notice in certain places slight nicks in the braid like its been rubbing on something  but that could be anything

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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2004 at 10:47am

Yeah Naki, braid lasts for yonks, no worries. Certainly not UV degradable like nylon. I reckon if you don't get 10 years outa it, there is something wrong somewhere.

cheers pal,

Stu.



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Posted By: shimma
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2004 at 10:56am
Love the stuff,i've had no problems,the odd ones, are of my own doing,not winding the braid back on the reel under suitable tension,results in the odd tangle coming flying of along the line, when casting.

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Posted By: sooshee
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2004 at 11:00am

Sunlight has a very negligible impact on braid. Neither does it weaken in water like nylon or bothered by most chemicals that are bad for nylon. However, it will start to decompose at a lower temperature than nylon. Say around 150C as opposed to around 200C for nylon. So, if you have a stuck roller tip for example, it can start to damage the braid from the extra heat generated by friction.

For those who can get hold of the Western Australia Angler mag from around April/May 04, there's a very detailed article on this topic.

Another drawback of braid is that it has very poor knot strength (the previous fishing news issue has an article about this). IMHO, I think this is a major reason why it is so difficult to find IGFA braid and most braid are underrated (i.e. breaks at higher test than stated on packaging).

Hope this info is useful.



Posted By: Cookie
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2004 at 12:54pm

If its backed with nylon, do you need to replace this then ??

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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2004 at 4:09pm

Cookie, just replace the nylon backing and if you're too tight - reverse the braid.  Trim off the dodgy bits at the end. 

Best bet is to replace braid at the start of every season! 



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Posted By: Coast to Coast
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2004 at 4:13pm
Jeez Chris, anyone would think you sold the stuff.....


Posted By: groper
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2004 at 4:30pm
disagree with chris there.... braid is certainly fine for at least 5 years unless your out there everyday for a year... but like nylon inspect it regulary and there should be no prob...

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Posted By: Jo.
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2004 at 4:34pm
how much is braid these days?

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Posted By: sooshee
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2004 at 4:59pm
Quote: Originally posted by groper on 09 September 2004
disagree with chris there.... braid is certainly fine for at least 5 years unless your out there everyday for a year... but like nylon inspect it regulary and there should be no prob...

From personal experience, the lighter tests I use (e.g. 10lb) will need replacing after a short while of heavy fishing cos I had to trim off the "dodgy" end bit once too often. There's just less margin for error when using such thin diameter.

Not all braid are created alike. I have come across reports of a certain 80lb braid that did not last more than one season without turning "furry" and breaking when it shouldn't have.

 



Posted By: Cookie
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2004 at 6:52am


Chris  not so sure her indoors would take that to well mate



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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2004 at 4:42pm

Why is everyone disagreeing with me and Pioneer? 

Sell braid.....!  who sells braid here...?

Cookie just tell the missus how many fish you'll be slaying, feeding her & the kids and also her parents (out-laws).  You'll promise not to drink, gamble or have sex for a week. 



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Posted By: Ab_Fab
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2004 at 7:23pm

OK guys,

I have not tried Braid but would really like to. My dilema is what reel to put it on. I have a few reels (but probably not anywhere near enough!!). I previously always thought braid was for heavy deep water tackle only, but it sounds like it is good in the right conditions for much more.

Currently I have a TLD 25 with 15 pound, a Penn 225 with 10 pound, an Abu Garcia with 8 pound and a TLD 10 with 6 pound all with Nylon.  Do you guys have mutilple reels of the same type, one with Braid, one with normal? Any suggestions on what I should do is appreciated (I am leaning to getting another Penn 225 for Braid, thoughts?)

Cheers

Ab



Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2004 at 8:05pm

Ab_Fab...... top shot your 225 with some 30lb braid about 300m should do to find out if you like it or not........

first thing you will find out is you will have to learn not to strike so hard second don’t strike everything that feels like a good bite third your arms are going to hurt because the rod is bucking like its hooked up to someone jerking themselves off.......

Braid is great once you get used to it a very soft tiped rod will obsorb most of the action that comes from the fish fighting on the other end....... this also helps when striking the fish as the tip tends to bend first before it all comes up tight......

the other good qualities about braid is it repeals water this means it doesn’t create much drag in the water unlike nylon which absorbs water thus you end up with a very large belly created by the current which makes for hard detection of fish biting your bait....... less drag means less weight needed to reach the bottom which means harder for the fish to detect something wrong with the bait...... all good once you learn its capabilities…..

 



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Posted By: cod
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2004 at 8:00am
plus you need to learn good knots.

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Posted By: Ab_Fab
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2004 at 9:32am

Brilliant thanks Lethal and Cod!

Sounds like a good plan. I have my penn matched to a ugly-stick so that should work as far as having a soft tipped rod. My temptation though is maybe I should buy another 225 for the braid (I think Smart Marine still have them at a good price).

Probobaly not necessary to buy a new reel, but this is an excellent excuse!!!

I will let you know how I get on

Ab

 



Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2004 at 10:12am

here is a knot that will let you tie a trace to braid without using a swivel........

make a loop in your braid using a fig8 knot then use 5 turns not 3 as in this pic otherwise it will slip.......



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Posted By: Ab_Fab
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2004 at 10:32am

Thanks Lethal !!!

A dumb question, why would you not use a swivel? Is it to maintain the "feel" that the braid gives you??

Cheers

Ab



Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2004 at 10:47am

more so you can cast your bait....... lets you have a good metre or more of trace..... also this is easier to tie and stronger than a swivel if tied right.....

you can use it the other way round to tie your mainline onto the braid for when you top shot,  but will need 7 turns to stop the braid from slipping off the nylon......

i have some of Pioners Braid here which is colour coded in 10mt segments looks and feels excellent will let you know how it go's in the next couple of days.......



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Posted By: shimma
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2004 at 4:24pm
Thats a real good knot,and almost,(within reason),you can match up up any breaking strain to any other,ie like as an example only,24kg braid mainline,with say some 40 or more kg mono trace...no worries,and still has awesome breaking strain retention...

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Posted By: Naki
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2004 at 7:37am

Next question.

Which braid do you guys use? True "Braided" or "Fusion". I personally use the fusion type as it seems a lot more subtle and has a slight waxey feel to it.



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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2004 at 9:30am

Fusion braids are cheaper to buy, they can also "delaminate", I've seen this on a charter operator's reels - shameful really!  Fusion can also be quite wirey but for somebody changing over from mono, it might be preferred because it has a similar feel.

True braid I believe is best.  Limp and good for casting and finer diameter too.  There is much more choice available for true braid but don't be sucked into buying the thinnest line because it will have the least abrasion resistance and probably knot strenght.

Both lines are very sensitive with little stretch.



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Posted By: Bushpig
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2004 at 9:40am

My local shop doesnt stock braid (been and had a look). What size spools do they come in. Looking at 8kg braid for deep water straylining



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Posted By: moonfish
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2004 at 9:54am

Will  braid 'eat" the rod guides? if so, what guides should I look at for useing braid?

Planning to put 50lb on a 30 wide reel. I Have a 20-80Lb rated standup uglystick black tiger rod. It has metal (not ceramic) guides with a roller strpper and tip.

All thoughts (inc Chrisw and pioneer) welcomed

 

 



Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2004 at 11:45am

Bushie use 10kg or 15kg braid and treat it like 8kg no forgiveness when it comes to braid mate.......

moonfish braid is not as bad as some make out at eating guides....... there was a batch of chrome guides made of brass but most are now stainless steel...... the brass ones have long gone.....

Naki Chriss is right about fusion braid..... you can get round and flat braids also coloured braids..... these last a lot longer....... try and look at it like this braid is made up of thousands of short strands and just laying them side by side then put a coating on the outside to hold them together is not my idea of being very strong...... where as the other is plaited or woven together has got be a lot stronger...... it takes about 12hrs to make 1000mts of plaited braid so you can see the extra cost........ 



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Posted By: sooshee
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2004 at 1:02pm

Like what Lethal said, it also depends on the metal that has been used. When I was a wee lad, I remember even NYLON cutting into the guide of my $15 rod! So far, with the newer materials in guides nowadays, I haven't heard of anyone complaining about them getting chewed up.

Also agree with Chris...for example, with the fused line stuff, I find that you will also need to be much more careful on the way you tie your knots. I found that with a knot like spider hitch, the pulling of the line to tighten the knot scraped off a few fibres before the final knot position. Well, I found this with one brand of fused line anyway. With real braid, it wasn't a problem.



Posted By: Naki
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2004 at 2:17pm
I have used fused braid for a couple of years now and haven't had any issues with knots. I find the best knot for joining braid to itself is a double uni knot, but using 2 loops.

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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2004 at 2:39pm

Naki im not sure which type you are using but from what ive tried in fusion braid even a sinker sliding back and forth along it removes the outer covering in time...... biggest down fall is when you get tangles, it is normally totally stuffed.......



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Posted By: Nsane
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2004 at 2:58pm

just a simple question..

if you are using a 24kg braid, would it mean you have to match it with a 15-24kg rod?  



Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2004 at 4:37pm

Nsane, simply YES!

But I don't, as Lethal suggested earlier, fish it like it was a very strong 15kg line.  We all like to have big safety margins in our tackle.  But if you intend to fish it to its 24kg limits, then put it with a 24kg rod.

BP, you have to hammer the counter at your local tackle store to stock what YOU WANT!  Not what they want you to buy.  Call Strawberry, he has all the gear.



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Posted By: straycat
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2005 at 10:17pm

AB-FAB

I have 3reels spooled with braid , 2 Abu,s and a Penn 345.

The best braid i found was spiderwire, 25% the size of nylon as opposed to 33% for most others .I first brought some 25kg about 10 years ago from cabellas in the states ,that 500yards is now down to about 300 and the moss green colour is now white.I have also down graded it to my abu1000 and a 15kg rod even though it still breaks above 20kg

Ibrought some 80lb some years ago in auckland but i cant find any more some help on that would be great .Anybody?

I tried Fusion , it lasted 2 seasons before i threw it away .For what its worth

 



Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 13 Sep 2005 at 11:45pm

24kg line is 24kg line. I would recommend though that you get yourself a VERY flexi-tipped rod, as you want the flex of the rod tip to help keep the pressure on the fish and reduce slack line from head-shaking and rough water.

Been playing with some Berkley 15-30kg rods lately, dunno the series numbers or anything, but they are Blue colour, and are bloody awesome little rods. Tip folds away sweetly, but rock-solid the more you load it up.

This is about the only half-reasonable pic I have of the rod at the moment, with my AVET reel on it.

The rating, 15-30kg, certainly covers the right spread for a 50lb braid set-up.

Oh, yeah... type of braid. Personally, I really like Fireline, a fused braid, NOT Spiderwire Fusion though, which is awfull stuff. I have normal braid on most of my puka set-ups because it is a little thinner than fireline, but for casting from a spinning reel, fireline is the ONLY option worth bothering with IMHO.

I also like using fireline on overhead reels as well if thickness is not an issue, as fireline feeds off a rotating spool slightly cleaner than normal braids do, which tend ot stick to the spool and can cause backlashes if you don't watch what you're doing.

Fireline is all fused, fused right thru, whereas Fusion braid has a fused outer layer over a braided inner core I think... and in very short order especially if there is any abrasion on the line, this outer layer will tear and peel away, leaving a severely weakened line behind.

So..... If you want my advice, if you have a large-ish reel, as well as a heavy spinning reel (like for poppering or something), get a 1000yard spool of 30 or 50lb Berkley Fireline. If you want to get max amount of line on a smaller reel, then go for one of the normal braid options, like ....ummmm... well, there are lots of types out there.

cheers, Stu.

 



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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2005 at 10:37pm
Who stocks the 1000 yard spools or are they a special order type product? I have seen them on the berkley site Stu just no ones seems to stock them... well not down this way at least. Any suggestions?


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2005 at 11:09pm
check tradse me dude a guy is selling big spools on there have got stuff off him and he is very good to deal with.

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Posted By: -mAdfis HO-
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2005 at 11:33pm

Moocha. Hunting & fishing in Tauranga have 1000 yard spools of the stuff for about $80-$90. Went to 4-5 shops in Hamz searching for it and berkley 60lb vanish flurocarbon. Fish city had fireline in 125 yard spools but had it in only 6lb 8lb 10lb and 80lb and only little spools of 10lb-20lb vanish, they had suffix fluro but **** paying $80 for 27 yards. Bloody hopless. Found everything I wanted at the first shop in Tauranga so now I'll be doing my shopping over there. I'm guna put 30lb fireline on my 6500.

BA. What type of fish is that & where was it caught? I Tried braid (20lb spectra, i think it was) on my trinidad and it just digs into itself on the spool so it's crap for casting alright so went back to 8kg mono. What egg beater & rod you using for casting poppers, penn reel? A Kilwel Jellytip rod would be a good rod to match I think.

 

 



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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 22 Nov 2005 at 10:37am
Damn Hunting and fishing down in Alicetown in Wellywood only have the 300 yard spoolf but they are like 100 bucks.... very very odd how can it differ so much . I want  a 1000 yard spool to load on to the Saltist with a little left over  for loading onto the old baitrunner for casting poppers


Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2005 at 8:23am
Don't know if I'm too late on this but these are good prices.
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