leader length?
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Topic: leader length?
Posted By: Kenshin
Subject: leader length?
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2010 at 2:13pm
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K lets say on a 7-8 ft rod.. how long is the ideal leader length tied to your Braid? I use to tie 3m+. But seems too long and abrupts casting distance. Shorter than that I have to put some finger protection from braid and not much protection on shallow reef areas close to rocks. saw a vid of japs guy hitting GT's on the brix on the islands. If I observed it correctly, the leader was really short less than a meter? ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2010 at 6:31pm
| 2 turns on the reel with the popper hung at cast length. seems to be how most are doing it anyway. haven't found anything better so I have joined the masses.. small PR knot and then smoothed over with UV Knot Sense. 80lb leader and have now gone away from fluro for popper/stick bait on advise from a few on here. makes a huge difference as is softer and casts a lot better |
Posted By: unlimited
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2010 at 10:12pm
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2 turns on the reel as well but use a FG knot as it casts far better then a PR, i use 150lb leader but not fluro as it is to hard for the knot to get a good bite ------------- keeping it reel |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2010 at 10:35pm
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Same deal for me re length but using a knot I found on youtube a few years back called Tony Pena knot but am sure it goes by other names. Very good knot. No issues to date. Also not using fluro, good old mono leader is sweet by me ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2010 at 11:07pm
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ok.. seems to be around the 3m mark? Yeah.. flouro. I find the BM supples are good. PR knot for me. I manage to learn how to tie a neat short one.
------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2010 at 11:20pm
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what sort of reel are you using kenshin???
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Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2010 at 11:29pm
Daiwa Sealine 4500hi. Havent tested on fish yet.. it will be in 2 weeks time.  ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
*fisher* wrote:Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2010 at 11:36pm
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Sweet looking reel.... ya gonna load it up with 50 pound... I'm into jigging and haven't got into popping but would like to give it a whirl but dont really wanna spend the bucks up front.. got a new baitrunner 8000D to use which are sposed to be braid friendly and I can use it for straylining out the back of my boat or use my 10 footer with it off the beach... like to cover my bases 
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Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2010 at 11:54pm
same here.. bought the reel from oz as its not distributed here. 300NZ landed. yep 40-50lb braid. I feel im not gonna do this thing too often. ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 5:59am
Its' based around your rod length mate. set it up on the rod at a normal hang and then make your leader up..... I guess 3 meters on a 7 ft rod would be adequate.
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Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 7:31am
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Yep agree with the others on having a couple of turns on the reel.
Use both the PR and the FG knot and i am still trying to figure out which one is best, have been giving them both a workout recently so will let you know results. The FG definetely casts better than the PR ------------- www.extremesportfishing.co.nz. Agent for Carpenter, Orion and ASWB products |
Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 10:47am
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Looks sweet Ariel. I've found some quite soft thin fluoro in 80lb and seems to cast sweet, finding it hard to give up my fluoro addiction, especially over fairly shallow foul. Got a stickbait for you to try bro, it's too heavy for my rod. Did you end up getting that Van Stahl? ------------- 6th place in the inaugural Te Kauwhata Regionals paddle crab division |
Posted By: xsspeed
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 10:52am
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I use roughly a rod and a half plus a wrap or two, and vary how the popper hangs depending on how I want to cast. Also using black magic supple.
I use the slim beauty knot which is basically identical (if not the same knot) as the Tony Pena that JK mentioned.
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Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 10:52am
| You guys on strike again Fish i ? or you teaching them kids how to use the interwebs? |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 10:53am
Link or it didn't happen ?
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Posted By: xsspeed
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 10:54am
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I use roughly a rod and a half plus a few wraps, and vary how the popper hangs depending on how I want to cast. Also using black magic supple. Have been using 60lb leader on my 30/40lb spools, yet to get a monster fish though - have used 80lb previously.
I use the slim beauty knot which is basically identical (if not the same knot) as the Tony Pena that JK mentioned.
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Posted By: xsspeed
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 10:56am
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Woops double post there while editting
Link to what? the knot? I saw JK's post yesterday and youtube'd it, and saw it was the same as the slim beauty I had previously been using. (Unless I am mistaken)
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Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 11:27am
Nah, im money tight.. so ended up with a classic. Oldie but Goodie. Will let you know once up North next month Bro. ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: Falco
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 11:38am
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Start longer with a few wraps on your spool and trim as you see fit after a few casts- the actual length will vary depending on how much drop you give the lure,some use very little i.e 30cm some use up to 1.5 m.
Put a fair bit of acid on a of FG yesterday popping and jigging,I really cant see me going past this knot...I have been jigging with it for months had no issues, period - I moved from being a one eyed wind on user to a one eyed FG user - go figure.
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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 3:29pm
It's called independent learning Mike ask your other half, she may be able to interpret. No need to strike when secondary do that for us and we get pay parity, don't get us started about national standards thou.
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Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 7:34pm
found some clips on utube about FG's, looks like u need a good set of teeth to do it  .I find on the PR, if you dont burn the tag end of the leader, short tight bobbin turns and half hitches is sweet for casting. ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: Falco
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 8:20pm
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Try and tie one, you dont need your teeth to tie a great knot. |
Posted By: unlimited
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2010 at 8:33pm
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i am the same as falco, a one eyed FG jigger and stick baiter. super easy to tie on the boat as well ------------- keeping it reel |
Posted By: Bunzo
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2010 at 12:22pm
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A variation on the FG is the 'Sebel Knot', I use a combo of the two. The 'Sebel' way makes the 1st part of a 'FG' easy by lapping the braid from a rod tip rather than your fingers, then finish it off with the standed 1/2 hitches .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N0mCf0AIAA - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N0mCf0AIAA ------------- 
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Posted By: hardstickbaiter
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 2:30pm
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I use stickbaits and poppers from land so I need to cast longe distances then on a boat.so I have my leader about 1.3m-1.6m joind to 80lb whiplash with a FG knot.Works a treat.JUST WHERE GLOVES |
Posted By: hookerpuka
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 3:33pm
| if your knots done right it goes through the guides well anyway. always useful to have a proper popping rod though that has bigger guides to maximize our distance. wraps onto the reel |