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Topic: What I made today
Posted By: Uncle
Subject: What I made today
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2010 at 8:25pm
...no, not me, youSmile
A member asked if we could have a thread for this so here it is.
Kiwi ingenuity knows no bounds & it would be good to have people share their #8 wire technology.



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Posted By: andy2fish
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2010 at 8:30pm
A bloody mess in the workshop making my new rod holder
Wood shavings everywhere will have to tidy up first thing in the morning before boss comes in

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Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2010 at 7:43am

been building a synit deep shot 450 for my saltiga extreme 






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Posted By: Double Shot
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2010 at 8:13am
Very nice GG, some time and effort gone into that thread work, keep it up we look forward to seeing the finished product...Thumbs Up

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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2010 at 5:09pm
That's great GG but you have something the wrong way round .... the answers to lifes problems aren't on TV  ... they ARE at the bottom of a beer bottle.

Good thread Uncle. One I wished I had have thought of myself.


Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2010 at 5:49pm

Nice work there GG, what size thread you working with?



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Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2010 at 7:14pm
all the thread is A
easy to work with and looks tighter 


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Posted By: Badfish
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2010 at 7:24pm

Yea nice work. I'm currently waiting on an assorted pack of raw A thread so I can get to work on my little deepshot. Hope it looks half as good as yours I'd be happy



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Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2010 at 8:06pm
cheers bro 
i have just done a order for a heap of thread about 100 spools
cant wait


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Posted By: Smelly Buoy
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2010 at 8:41pm
Well. I haven't just been working on this one today, but I did give its first kick in the guts today.  Kiwi #8 wire job this one, very satisfying.  Still needs a bit of tweaking, but with a $5 BBQ, a $50 garage door motor, a king-size berley mincer, a $30 2nd hand bike sprocket, a bit a this, a bit a that, and you have . . . 

The Burley-Meister


Photo above is the total concoction. The steel BBQ frame was essential for providing a good solid base.


Mincer is mounted on threaded bolts to allow tweaking of levels & alignment, so that the chain feeds properly, and wing-nuts ollow easy removal for cleaning. The stell bracket it bolts to was one that was kicking around my workshop, and by slicing a 50mm swathe through the centre & re-welding it, it fits a treat.  The BBQ grill also allows for easy adjustments.


It took me a long time to hit on the garage door opener as the motor of choice.  The motor had to be bi-directional, so that if anything jams, I can reverse it.  Also, these things have a load switch - ever grabbed a door as it was closing?  Motor stops & reverses.  The remote control receiver on this one doesn't work, hence the good price, and I don't need that.  But it came with all the other gear, so I was able to shorten the strut to bolt it to the underside of the grill, to help brace the whole thing.

Got the jig-saw onto the grill, and cut out a couple of the bars, to be able to feed the chain through.  I had to get a round plate made by an engineering workshop, and brazed onto the inner side of the pulley.  Then the bile sprocket screwed straight onto that. Think it is 47 tooth, about the second biggest I could find, for better gearing than straight speed.


Took these photos at 7.45 tonight, so apologies if they are not very clear.  I will try to change them for daylight ones when I can.

I also have a brief movie of it running, but I haven't been able to figure out how to upload movies yet - its nearly 8 MB.  Any help anyone?

Looking forward to giving it a full trial on a few old KY frames etc.  Hopefully, it won't be a big lemon.


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Posted By: ancient mariner
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2010 at 8:58pm
Mate, thats a hum-dinger! Well done, you would be stoked.


Posted By: Doubie
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2010 at 9:01pm
Brilliant Woody...hope it works as well as it looks like it will Thumbs Up


Posted By: Smelly Buoy
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2010 at 11:23pm
Thanks guys. All good fun

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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2010 at 10:43am
Nice one SB...best bit of kiwi ingenuity I have seen for ages, brilliantClap

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Posted By: hohepa2
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2010 at 5:38pm
But imagine the cleanup, reckon you need to do it as a team effort and get team to clean it after the big mishin, but bloody gold machine mateThumbs Up


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2010 at 6:20pm
what I made today, well to put it simply a mess, nothing like a couple of big hammers and a jenny bar dont fix

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Posted By: Smelly Buoy
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2010 at 9:22pm
[QUOTE=Argonautica] But imagine the cleanup,

Well, l reckon clean up shouldn't be any worse motorised versus manual, because of the way its set up, ie butterfly nuts for easy removal from the base. The idea was to do a bulk lot at a time, but thats hard on the arm doing it manually. When l do its first real run, l'll try to video it.





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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 2:54pm

Finished another pencil popper. I am hoping to find Nemo in a kingies mouthWink

Weighs 2oz ( 56g) and is 160mm long.


Posted By: DIY!
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 3:23pm
cool looking lure mate! nice attention to detail!

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Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 5:38pm
A natural wood stick bait and another larger one I am working on.  I have no idea whether they will work or not but I've had a good bit of fun working on them
 


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2010 at 6:11pm
Originally posted by Murph Murph wrote:

A natural wood stick bait and another larger one I am working on.  I have no idea whether they will work or not but I've had a good bit of fun working on them
 
 
Sweet Murph!! Make them swim and they will catch fish. Next week for me is stick baits just waiting for the wood to turn up...


Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 5:49pm
Couple of hi speed tuna lures and a few small saltwater flies...
 
 


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Posted By: Smelly Buoy
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2010 at 7:26pm
Good work!

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Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 5:56pm
Originally posted by ReelAppealLures ReelAppealLures wrote:

Originally posted by Murph Murph wrote:

A natural wood stick bait and another larger one I am working on.  I have no idea whether they will work or not but I've had a good bit of fun working on them
 
 
Sweet Murph!! Make them swim and they will catch fish. Next week for me is stick baits just waiting for the wood to turn up...
I gave the woody a trial run today and it actually swam really well.  It caught a fish too!  Only a smelly bloody Barracouta but a fish none the less and I was impressed with how hard the coutta hit the lure, launching itself well clear of the water to take it.  I will definitely be making some more stick baits.


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2010 at 6:10pm
on ya murph couta or not proof is in the hook up, roll on a thumper king to test all the bits and pieces.

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Posted By: jamesdaulton
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2010 at 5:50pm
I made some prototype Inchiku today.
 
Ran into a few issues that will be resolved next time around.. mainly non compatable paint systems and the order of assembly.
 
Body is a 17 g brass hex ticker lure blank - undercoated, painted, holographic eyes and epoxy finished.
 
Hooks are SJ- 41 1/0 - with UV Crystal flash tied on - + octopus skirts over.
 
hooks connected with looped through double of 36kg braid through a small soft glow bead. I tied the chystal flash to the hooks first - but it would be way easier to do it last after snelling the hook with the braid.
 
Results are as below - the top one is a Rock-G bought from from Go Fish for comparison of size. these will roughly weigh out to similar to a 5/8th jig head but wont have the same drag of the soft bait.
 


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 6:53am
Couple more for the epoxy pile....
 
Pencil Popper 160mm, 2oz
 
 
Jointed Piper Stick Bait
 
 
 
I have got some Paulownia and can't wait to give it a go, look out Carpenter!LOLLOL


Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 9:29am
Well my mark one Rimu stick bait got smashed by a rat king on Saturday and ended up swiming away attached to the poor king.  At least I know now that they will catch real fish, not just coutta.
 
I had a PM asking how I put it together so I thought I'd start a bit of an information sharing approach to these things and hopefully others will share some of their methods as well.
 
This is mark two stick bait all decorated and needing a coat of epoxy...
 
 
 
The paint jobs a bit rough in places but I'm pretty happy with it considering it was my first try and its just done with a bunch of spray cans I bought at Bunnings.
 
These two are mark three and mark four versions.
 
Mark Three...
 
Mark Four....
 
Mark Four is slightly hump backed compared to three.  I didn't really plan it that way but since they are all hand carved they have each come out slightly different shapes.  It will be interesting to see which works and which doesn't.
 
I've been starting off with just a basic outline sketched onto a piece of wood.  Then I've cut the shape out using a jig saw, after that I map out where the holes need to be drilled and drill them.  This has been quite a tricky stage getting the holes front and back to line up.  I've decided to add wheight to the tails so I've used a much larger drill bit from the tail and this has helped with lining up with the smaller hole drilled through the nose.
 
I've then whittled away with a pocket knife until I get the basic shape, then wood rasp until I get good roundness and symetry of shape.  The next stage is sanding until you get an all over smoothe finish.  This is basically the stage that the two above baits are at.
 
The through wire construction is another tricky stage.  I got some 1.6mm stainless wire from a local engineering shop.  To bend it I've G clamped a allen key to my work bench and used vice grips to hold the wire and bend it around the key to get a basic circle.  The wire is then wrapped around itself a couple of times to finish it off.  I've also tried the bottom option of twisting the wire around itself but I'm not too sure if that will work so will probably pass on that method.
 
 
The wire passes through the nose and needs to catch the swivel that you will insert through the belly hole.
 
 
AT the tail end I then add small small ball sinkers over the protruding wire....
 
 
 
The mark two bait has five of these little sinkers shoved up its backside.
 
To finsih off the tail end I've then filled the end cavity with two part epoxy, (araldite), and capped it by using part of a pop rivet as shown here...
 
 
 
The wire is then finished off in pretty much the same way as you do the front end by making a circle and then wrapping the wire around itself to hold it in place, then just snip the wire off as close as you can get and file off any sharp edges.
 
This is how the tail end looks on mark two.
 
That's basically it!
 
These are all 190mm long, the finished mark two bait with the weights in its tail weighs in at 70g.
 
 
The only bad part about all of this is that I'm going to have to break the news to my wife that I'm going to need a Stella 20K and a popper rod for Xmas!!!
 
Thanks for looking
 
Murph


Posted By: treedoc
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 9:37am
Love your work Murph, nice breakdown, I think there are plenty having a crack at home made poppers at the moment, great tips and ideas.


Posted By: Smelly Buoy
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 9:41am
Nice essay Murphy, thanks for sharing.

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Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 9:54am
Great effort there Murph and I may have to dig out some of my old woodworking tools and have a go myself

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Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 10:58am
Nice work MurphThumbs Up
 
Just a thought, to make life easier, there is a tool similar to the one in the vid made by DuBro called the E/Z Twist, Haywire twist tool.
I've got a couple of them & they are great for forming wire loops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M7fnLct6dI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M7fnLct6dI


Posted By: Barbary B
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 10:59am
Love those poppers - I've been thinking about making a squid jig in similar colours to the finding nemo one above. Has anyone done this? Can you get the spiky steel ends from anywhere?

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Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 11:11am
Originally posted by Uncle Uncle wrote:

Nice work MurphThumbs Up
 
Just a thought, to make life easier, there is a tool similar to the one in the vid made by DuBro called the E/Z Twist, Haywire twist tool.
I've got a couple of them & they are great for forming wire loops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M7fnLct6dI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M7fnLct6dI
Sounds great, can you PM me a price please?


Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 11:12am
Originally posted by Barbary B Barbary B wrote:

Love those poppers - I've been thinking about making a squid jig in similar colours to the finding nemo one above. Has anyone done this? Can you get the spiky steel ends from anywhere?
 
One option would be to rip a cheap one to bits for the spikes.
I made a few smaller wire versions doing that, ( using the tool mentioned above) so I can attach small bait fish.
There are large "squid pin jags" available ( Neptune Tackle) but they are a bit on the big size. 


Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 11:14am
Originally posted by Murph Murph wrote:

Originally posted by Uncle Uncle wrote:

Nice work MurphThumbs Up
 
Just a thought, to make life easier, there is a tool similar to the one in the vid made by DuBro called the E/Z Twist, Haywire twist tool.
I've got a couple of them & they are great for forming wire loops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M7fnLct6dI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M7fnLct6dI
Sounds great, can you PM me a price please?
 
Um, not selling Murph, just letting you knowLOL
They are available from Cabela's I think.


Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 11:45am
Originally posted by Uncle Uncle wrote:

Originally posted by Murph Murph wrote:

Originally posted by Uncle Uncle wrote:

Nice work MurphThumbs Up
 
Just a thought, to make life easier, there is a tool similar to the one in the vid made by DuBro called the E/Z Twist, Haywire twist tool.
I've got a couple of them & they are great for forming wire loops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M7fnLct6dI - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M7fnLct6dI
Sounds great, can you PM me a price please?
 
Um, not selling Murph, just letting you knowLOL
They are available from Cabela's I think.
Ahh, roger that.  I misunderstood what you meant there, I'll look them up and see what the go is.


Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 9:15pm
Wellsys Tackle has them Murph.
Shop is in Aus though


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Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 10:37pm
Looks like that tool will only do wire up to .032 of an inch, which is about half the thickness of what I want to use.  Will need to find something a bit more industrial than that I think.


Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2010 at 10:50pm
The larger one of the two I have is good for #14 to #20 wire.
Am not sure how that equates in lineal measurement


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 7:49am
Hey Murph & others that are interested,
 
Here is a few things to think about when choosing/using wire for lures.
  • 316 Stainless steel is best for its corrosion properties when used in saltwater, but is more expensive than 304.
  • 304 Stainless steel wire will outlive the lure before corrosion sets in and weakens the wire, thats if you still have the lure not lost it to the seaLOL
  • I think they rate .043" wire at 360lbs, and .051" at 500lbs. So there is some serious grunt in smaller wire sizes.
  • I have tryed .078" and it was way to hard to form loops and wraps by hand, .064" is pretty good by hand and smaller wire will be much easier.

I use .064" which will be well over 500lb breaking strain, I don't use it for its high breaking strain but for the method of loop in the wire.

 
As you can see in the picture of my wire I don't use a twist to lock the loop in, just the tag end of the wire doubled back. This method is pretty common place and you are relying on the strength of the wire to not deform and let the tag end slide out the lure. Smaller wire you will want to lock both ends with a twist.
 
The wire has not much to do with the size of fish also, more to do with having enough strength so twists don't come undone etc.. I am sure no one can put the kind of pressure needed to unravell even some of the smaller wire sizes on to a fish big or small. .051" wire and upwards only needs to be used if you are not locking the loops at either end in wooden or resin lures. Some of the fancy wire bending tools can be really handy for forming wire harness's before making resin lures, I have not used one but I think there may be a clearance problem if trying to use it on the tail end of a lure? it will however form a perfect loop and twist for the tow point.


Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 9:02am
Good one, thanks for that!

I'm going to have a go at applying some epoxy soon, do you have any tips in regards to that?  Where do you get your EnviroTex from, how much should I expect to pay for it?


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 9:26am

Hey guys,

Whilst the topic is somewhat on wire at the moment, here is a quick and easy (also cheap) way of forming loops/eyes and wraps. This is a method I use for the wrap at the rear of a wooden lure, but can be used if wanting a locked loop for the tow point on any lure aswell.
 
First up, grab some round nosed circlip pliers (internal) found at any hardware store etc..
 
 
Now grab the wire tightly near the end of the pliers.
 
 
Use your thumb to bend the wire over to about 45 degrees from straight up and down.
 
 
Now regrip the wire halfway up the pliers and just above the bend you just formed.
 
 
Bend the wire back over the pliers, go right around to the starting point of the very first bend (you may have to reposition the pliers to get right around)
 
 
Reposition the pliers into the eye you formed so the tag end points straight up like in the photo.
 
 
Now using your thumb as a fulcrum and a twist of the pliers bend wire right over (tip - keep your thumb low on the wire for tight bends/wraps)
 
 
Reposition the pliers again so the wire tag is straight up and bend over again using your thumb and a twist with the pliers.
 
 
Keep your twists going untill you have formed as many as you would like ( more is not neccesarily any stronger, 3-4 is plenty)
 
 
All that is left is to trim your tag end, and if you wish give the tag end a squeeze with some regular pliers to squash it in. When using this wrap technique on the tail of a lure giving the wraps a little squeeze will help pretension the wire pulling it tighter in the lure.
 
 
Like all things practice will make for perfect loops/wraps. Grab some scrap wire (doesn't have to be what you will use in a lure) and practice making the wraps etc...
 
Also be careful not to scratch your fancy paint jobs if wiring your lure before epoxyLOL
 
Hope this helps....
 
Will be working on a "How to" in the near future for building a lure, have had quite alot of interest through the PM's about lure making. Before I start though what do you guys want to know? Do you want a start to finish of a lure process? Some things like paint I will leave out picture wise as not that hard, but will include products I have found that work. I may start out with just turning out a lure ready for paint and a quick run down of hardware used for finishing? Any ideas or certain points I should include?
Thanks
 


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 9:38am
Originally posted by Murph Murph wrote:

Good one, thanks for that!

I'm going to have a go at applying some epoxy soon, do you have any tips in regards to that?  Where do you get your EnviroTex from, how much should I expect to pay for it?
 
Murph make sure your mix is 50/50 otherwise AngryCry will be the result. Use scales/syringes/measuring cups as long as you are accurate so you don't end up with a sticky mess.
 
To degass the air bubbles when the epoxy is applied just breathe on your lure (out not in!!!) the co2 in your breath will pop any bubbles, and follow the instructions.
If you have access to a rod lathe or similar you will be able to apply it alot thicker than the brush and hang method.
 
I buy it from a local paint store http://www.completepaints.co.nz - www.completepaints.co.nz , their online store sells from 118ml @$22.36 to 3.78L @$216.89, so it is not too pricey...
 
**TIP** Buy an epoxy or resin brush to apply, before using the brush grab the bristles and give them a few tugs and get rid of any loose bristles. I learnt the hard wayLOLLOL kinda like the mozzi that always land on fresh paint!
 
Good luck


Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 10:56am
RAL... In your first picture you show a nice loop.. with the ends parallel... to my mind the strength is through the length of rod so could you not just use a long ali crimp..  crimped some 3 times to hold the ends together.. this, then inside the lure would not allow the short end to open... 

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Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 11:03am
Thanks for the wire bending tip Real Appeal, that's a lot easier than what I've been doing.

I'd be interested in seeing a how to from start to finish of a basic lure.  I don't have a lathe or drill press or any fancy gear for that matter but I would still be interested to see these things in operation.  It would also be good to know where to source decent components such as grommets and eyes etc instead of having to scratch around the garage for any old piece of junk that might do the trick.  Painting and finishing off to get a really professional look would be good too.  I assume you are air brushing your lures, not using the Bunnings spray cans that I'm on at the moment??

Cheers.


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 11:14am
Originally posted by *fisher* *fisher* wrote:

RAL... In your first picture you show a nice loop.. with the ends parallel... to my mind the strength is through the length of rod so could you not just use a long ali crimp..  crimped some 3 times to hold the ends together.. this, then inside the lure would not allow the short end to open... 
 Just to make sure this is what you where explaining-
 
I had also thought of a crimp when I was worried about the tag end pulling out. Did some research and found that lures rigged exactly like the pic with no crimp or wrap to lock it have caught some very large fish ( atlantic bluefin etc ) The key is the wire's strength against deformation of the eye bent in the wire. I don't know of any lure builder that has had the tag end pull out of the lure, most just lock it with a wrap to be extra sure.  I don't have a reel that could put that much pressure on a fish to deform  the wire.... hmm need some scales for a testWink


Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 11:19am
wow...Thanks for that.. exactly,  and even if one had doubts, two crimps back to back..
Also even leaving the long length straight with a loop below..  like a half circle.. whether this would affect the hook action ?? 
My original thoughts were the crimps would allow an easier insert into the lure being a fixed size..
The loop has to break.. or the short end has to open.. for a fish to be lost... and being inside a lure, pressure of the short end against the inside of the lure would be another reason to concur with what you say (even with no twists)


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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 11:55am
Originally posted by *fisher* *fisher* wrote:

wow...Thanks for that.. exactly,  and even if one had doubts, two crimps back to back..
Also even leaving the long length straight with a loop below..  like a half circle.. whether this would affect the hook action ?? 
My original thoughts were the crimps would allow an easier insert into the lure being a fixed size..
The loop has to break.. or the short end has to open.. for a fish to be lost... and being inside a lure, pressure of the short end against the inside of the lure would be another reason to concur with what you say (even with no twists)
 
This is the easiest way to figure it all out Fisher, if I may quote a fellow lure builders words on this topic. "Wire size choice is to resist tearing /cracking of the wire when the lure is sideways in a fish's mouth etc & resist loop type unravelling rather than any strength requirement related to fish size as the line pressure is limited to what the angler can put out rather than the size of the fish."
 
Some high end reels for lure fishing put out 30-40lbs max, hell I couldn't fish that much drag for any amount of timeLOL Some may settle for a more fishable 15-18lbs of drag but either way it is going to take alot more than 40lb to open the eye, I would like to try with some scales out of interest but may have a hard time finding some heavy enoughBig smile


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 12:11pm
Originally posted by Murph Murph wrote:

Thanks for the wire bending tip Real Appeal, that's a lot easier than what I've been doing.

I'd be interested in seeing a how to from start to finish of a basic lure.  I don't have a lathe or drill press or any fancy gear for that matter but I would still be interested to see these things in operation.  It would also be good to know where to source decent components such as grommets and eyes etc instead of having to scratch around the garage for any old piece of junk that might do the trick.  Painting and finishing off to get a really professional look would be good too.  I assume you are air brushing your lures, not using the Bunnings spray cans that I'm on at the moment??

Cheers.
 
No worries Murph, will start work on one for you this weekend. I think its more the tips and tricks that make it easier than seeing a lure made in steps so will include what I can. Now components, How deep are your pockets Murph?Shocked These are mostly from the USA a google search will get you going, freight is a killer.
I do use airbrush but lately with all the rain it is driving my nutsAngry even with a water trap the humidity gets in the compressor and ruins your paint job....Spray cans can have there advantagesBig smile That last bait you made looked pretty slick..even some stencil work and no bloody clean up from airbrushing!!! 


Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 12:32pm
Awesome RAL, just what I needed, it's been giving me a headache trying to get those wraps right. Only just found this thread. Classic, Kiwi thinking going on with these stick bait creations. Instead of going and forking out $260 for a Japanese lure, kiwis just think, I'll make one of those myself.

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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 12:36pm
Originally posted by Murph Murph wrote:

A natural wood stick bait and another larger one I am working on.  I have no idea whether they will work or not but I've had a good bit of fun working on them
 

Awesome Murph. I have just shaped one out of Cedar and looks so nice, I don't want to paint it. Wouldn't think I need to seal it either being cedar. Nice working with wood again instead of the toxic stuff I've been making jigs out of.



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Posted By: xport
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 5:07pm
Some nice looking lures and great tips there. What do you guys reckon the best wood to use is? I might give this a crack.


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 7:59pm
Originally posted by xport xport wrote:

Some nice looking lures and great tips there. What do you guys reckon the best wood to use is? I might give this a crack.
 
Hey there xport, all depends on what type of lure and how you want it to fish. You can get all techy with density etc but most wood will float well enough for making a popper. Popular wood for lures are Yellow cedar, maple, red cedar, birch etc.. great if you have this available to you, I have been using Radiata pine because I work in a sawmill and its what I can get easily. At the moment I am trying some Paulownia for stick baits, it is similar to balsa wood but a bit heavier but still extremely bouyant, I want super bouyant wood so the stick bait pops out of the water after a sweep with the rod similar to the Carpenter Live Bait Gamma lure. Just use what you can hold of mate unless you want a specific action/style of lure.


Posted By: xport
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 8:34pm
Thanks RAL, I'm a builder so have access to a fair variety of species. I'll try a bit of good ole radiata for a starter then....many thanks


Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2010 at 9:38pm
Here's the latest one.....
 
 
 
 
Decided to go with some wings on this one.  The tow point is looking quite tidy now but getting the tail wraps nice is still a bit of a challenge.


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2010 at 7:00am

Nice flying fish MurphSmile

It is amazing how quickly your lures have improved after only 3 attempts. I am sure others will find this impressive enough to give it a whirl themselves..Well doneClap


Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2010 at 8:29am
Thanks mate.  It is quite addictive once you have done a few you sort of get a few more ideas in your head that you want to try out.  I've been meaning to make a few resin trolling lures for some time too, might have to get my finger pulled out on that front soon as well.


Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2010 at 9:13pm
These have a single coat of epoxy....
 
 
 
 
The pics don't do them justice, the shine is really nice but I'm going to give them another coat or two of epoxy yet.


Posted By: skidoggg
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 11:41am
good stuff thanx for sharing guys !murfph have you tried using an electric sander to shape up the wood then finish by hand? and a tip for painting when the moisture in the air is causing the paint to "bloom" or go cloudy  is to us a splash  of slow thinners to your paint


Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 2:30pm
Mine have been all done by hand, jig saw, pocket knife, wood rasp then sandpaper.  The paint is just some spray cans that I got at Bunnings so its a bit hard to add thinners to!  I'm mainly interested in just getting something that looks ok, has the strength to handle a king and that swims properly at this stage.  Once I've got that sussed I'll think about making them look more fancy but it is a huge learning curve and the possibilities for what you can do are almost endless.


Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2010 at 10:00pm
just been building this rod drying cabinet  
all most done






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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2010 at 8:51am

Snap greenguy, I also have been building a drying cabinet...for lures tho. Are they lamps inside your cabinet? Are they for heat or better lighting when epoxying. Good work bro.



Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2010 at 8:53am
more for heat mate but they rotate 360 and up and down so perfect for lighting as well picked them up from bunnings for 15 bucks each there 50w hellagins (spelling is crap)
just gota find some good gas stays and get 4 more motors
 


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Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 7:52am
may as well keep this alive
well i ant been doing much fishing as me and ye and john  have been working on some top secret rodsWink
here is a butt wrap i have been working on on a synit 6-8kg running the new k series fuji guides ready for the first coat of cp today what do u guys reckon??? it is a 4 colour fade




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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 12:36pm
very nice GGThumbs Up roundup will kill those weeds in the backgroundLOL

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Posted By: Raurangi
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2010 at 12:59pm
Originally posted by kaveman kaveman wrote:

very nice GGThumbs Up roundup will kill those weeds in the backgroundLOL
TAG much better at weed control Wink


Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2010 at 5:21am
Originally posted by Uncle Uncle wrote:

The larger one of the two I have is good for #14 to #20 wire.
Am not sure how that equates in lineal measurement
 
Hi Uncle
 
#14  & #20 refer to the gauge or dia rather than lineal with lower numbers being
bigger than higher.
 
From memory 20g is .036" (thousands of an inch) & 14g is .078
 
Rather than having to buy a spool of wire would suggest ss tig welding wire could be
a good option .... from a welding supplies outlet or a ss fabricator.
 
If using 304 or 316 then choose an "L" grade ( low carbon ) as it is a bit more easily
formed or twisted.
 
2205 duplex grade may be worth considering inasmuch as it has twice the yeild strength
allowing smaller dia to be used, also as better corrosion resistance & wear properties.
Most ss grades are subject to acelerated corrosion if enclosed restricting flow of oxygen
& would imagine passing thru wood could be bad for this. It is called crevice corrosion or
oxygen starvation & was the cause of keels dropping off yachts several years back when
316 was used for keel bolts which are enclosed but subject to retained seepage causing
extreme & rapid corrosion. However 2205 has good resistance under these circumstances
but take care tho to avoid if possible any deep surface scratching or scoring which could
lead to fracturing.
 
SS piano wire could be an option if springyness required but will have fairly low corrosion
resistance compared to other grades. 


Posted By: J-D
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2010 at 5:40am
Bloody Hell. Looks awesome Green Guy Thumbs Up

Did it take long to learn how to do the weave?


Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2010 at 7:20am
Marlin lure: length 350mm, head diameter 35mm, slant cut at 15 degrees.
Cost: $20.00 for the skirts, the PVC pipe was just lying around the garage and about a buck or two worth of resin.




Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2010 at 8:01am
Yea mate takes awhile any ware from 1-6hours some times a little longer cheers guys

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Posted By: MarkE
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2010 at 8:02am
Looking good Mitch Thumbs Up I thought all thread was NCP these days??

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Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2010 at 12:09pm
na mate just the stuff in nz the nylon threads have a far better color range and really pop but take a little more time to prep and fluff alot easyer


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Posted By: Skipjack
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2010 at 1:15pm
Nice work GG would have taken a fair amount of time always a bonus when you wrap works out the way you wanted. 

Here is my latest working on a new 300 acid wrap also.
CTS 400 gram with a Stella 20000SW bolted to it and ICMNSG (super ocean) guides.




Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2010 at 12:26pm
nice one bro the chevron and the white look wicked

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Posted By: Skipjack
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2010 at 12:07am
Its actually electra silver (just my poor photography), but yeah would look pretty good white too.


Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2010 at 4:51pm
I made some of this today at work,and probably will make some more tomorrow



Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2010 at 5:15pm
mmmm how do you make that stuff ,i have a neat little bum will that do

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Posted By: Bungel_
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2010 at 1:49am
Just twisted a few eyes up with some 1.6mm ss wire for lures im making.. locked both ends with twists and tested them out on the 50kg scales. I was able to pull just over 40kg of pressure.

Should do the job :) . Think i will be investing in some 1.2mm or even thinner for the smaller lures after seeing this performance.Clap


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Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2010 at 12:10pm
I Can't get the boat in the shed so made this cover for the motor. Its zipped to the road cover and domed at the sides. The fabric is Sunbrela and I linned the insides with a none scratch breathable fabric. Easy to make and protects the motor and all the rubber and plastic fittings from the weatherThumbs Up
 


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Posted By: MarkE
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2010 at 12:18pm
Thats a bloody good idea that - looks awesome!!  Well done Thumbs Up

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Posted By: Smelly Buoy
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2010 at 1:55pm
Hey, that's what I need to keep the leaves & crap out of my live-bait tank.

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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2010 at 3:46pm
That is very nice worksuks.... I could use something like that for my poor old boat!


Posted By: danjer
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2010 at 2:20pm
Just a quick question for you guys making the poppers and stick baits, where is and how much is the weight in lures tec?


Posted By: Don18025
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2010 at 3:18pm
Danjer, drop down to the DIY lures thread.....and follow RealAppealLures - he is the guru.



Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 8:05pm
Ok I hate having to leave my boat outside so made  covers. 
Here is a couple more pics to go with the outboard cover post a couple of weeks ago Since then have added a full HT/bow cover.
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2010 at 9:57pm
Mean

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Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2010 at 12:31pm
 I thought if I just made one all over cover then it would be heavy and a arsehole to pull over, so thought I'd do it in 3 pieces. Also I wanted the road cover seperate so it can be used for over nighting as well as road travel.

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Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2010 at 12:50pm
250gram acid wrap 
synit deepshot 






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Posted By: Seth
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2010 at 2:53pm

Bloody nice rod GG,

gotta get myself some of the anitgravity stuff too Big smile


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Date Posted: 01 Dec 2010 at 10:54pm


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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2010 at 9:36am
Nice bro very very nice Approve


Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2010 at 11:02am
Hey GG, Is that marbling or paua? looks nice man good stuff..Clap


Posted By: green guy
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2010 at 12:09pm
its thread mate Wink

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Posted By: ReelAppealLures
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2010 at 12:19pm

Now that is cool man, I could have sworn it looked like epoxy marble effect.



Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2010 at 6:57am
Squab for the chillybin.
 


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Posted By: Smelly Buoy
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2010 at 8:29am
Hey Worksux, great idea, having it domed on like that.  My big Youvella just has one of those kneeing pads glued onto it, but with a MAF size chart stuck on it, so it gets messed up during a session.
Are you interested in taking orders?  Where are you based?
Cheers, Simon


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Posted By: worksux
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2010 at 8:14pm

abit of wind and my 6m boat flys, to fast for soft baiting so made sure this mofo will slow it down. Its got a 1400mm throat.

 


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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2010 at 5:18pm

I decided it was time to rig a few new jigs and that gave me the opportunity to look at others and inspect the business end, in particular those assist hook rigs that use wire and are covered in black heat shrink.

Mine looked a bit tired after being smashed by a few couttas and well the wire looked a little bit like it was fatiguing around a very tight bend around a small ring...  also underneath the heatshrink I found the hooks (chemically sharpened) were corroding...so I ain't gonna use that... I thought buggar it lets make some new ones.
 
The new jigs needed some so instead of buying them I got the good old 316 49 strand 750lb Stainless...not coutta or Mako is gonna bite me offOuch
 
I notice alot of the assist's sold in packets come with short rigs and with the bigger jigs I want to try with a longer assist to at least cover the middle section as I am sure most fish hit the long jigs about midships more so than the top/head area...just my thoughts...
 
So I formed the loops around a stainless thimble, crimped them up and added some heatshrink over the hook/thimble/crimp area...put on a tube of lumo...and thought go another step and tart up the hook with flasher thread and go one more step and add a coloured lumo squid to help with the movement and colour and action...and hopefully a far ken big kingie/bluenose/puka/bass...YEAHClap
 
 
 
 


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Posted By: fish i
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2010 at 9:46am
A few Chrissy presents I whipped up for the whanau. 

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