This as you say also allows you to change jigs as required to suit conditions.

The split rings as such dont need to be super heavy as they arent taking an excessive load, Stil at thirty odd dollars a jig I use the strongest I can find. Cheers hope this helps

why not lumo?

Its not that far from the jig what can be half lumo or more and you think the coutta will go for the littel thimbles not the jig?

plastic sleeve,cheap as chips,cut your own to suit..

Ring and Gromet,hard to find,expensive,unnecessary?..

No protection,decent solid rings,decent trace,retie between trips,easy peasy..

Crimp vs Uni or chain,whatever floats your boat..

 

Personally never used skirts until I fished with Nirai,he had his all pretty like in a box,I just had to do it,but really dont mind either way...

 

About time we talked about PR vs Wind-on vs Sig Splice

 

 

Skirted assist hooks have been overdone by most of the guys here.  I introduced it as a means of making the hook attractive on a suspicion that fish would eat it and not the jig.  I have mentioned before that big skirts will undoubtedly screwup the action of centreweighted jigs or lighter jigs.  If you want to make the jig more attractive, attach the Jig Star Tail Blades.

 

PR v's Sig Splice.  This was compared one night at yeehaas.  Race was easily won, just ask Mr Smith .

Who's got them?good ones that is?

 

I've had leader go straight through that clear tubing...on the first fish.

The best system I've used is the solid ring and grommet.....

the proof is in the results.....5 day jigging only trip to the Kings.....unchanged leader and terminal set up...for 5 days!!! heaps and heaps of Kingies to 40kg...numerous Bass to 56kg

the solid/grommet system is virtually bullet proof....$2 solid/grommet........priceless

 

Never had any problems with lumo thimbles being attacked by couta - they tend to be more interested in the big shiny thing hanging below which quite often has a lot of lumo paint on it anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

Good Yeehaa is getting them in anyway...

Swivels are a recommended addition to spinning tackle to avoid line twist, most guys here use overhead so the swivel is rather superfluous to  ost of us.  You still have to tie a reliable knot whether it be direct to swivel, solid ring or gromett .  The knot itself is not in question, rather it is the leader where it loops around the ring, swivel or gromett.  Some might still regard this as the "knot" but when a ring cuts the leader, it can only be because the leader is not tough enough or the ring material is too thin and PROBABLY because the fish was too big!

Not wanting to boast or anything, but most leader knots are busted on BIG fish!

 

Simple leader protection will solve most these problems. 

Nothing stronger or simpler.

 

There is nothing in this terminal arrangement to touch scuff or abrase your knot on the eye of the swivel. NT swivels are the highest quality Japanese made swivels and will not cut through your knot.

 

If you chose to use solid rings then yes you will require some form of protection otherwise this can happen ....

 

try using either some form of sleeve such as the Jigstar knot sleeve as pictured or some plastic tubing....

 

Or try using the Surecatch double ring setup (word of caution though - change the split rings on these as the standard ones are crap put simply).

 

or the grommet setup...

 

but by far my favourite way of rigging at the business end is to use a swivel...

 

if you find your cord gets a little squashed from the weight of the jig bouncing up and down on it then try this...

 

The biggest problem with leader/terminal tackle is getting your knot (the underside) nicked or scuffed by the split ring both while jigging and even worse while hooked up on a fish when its shaking its head around while there is a lot of load on the knot.

 

All you need to worry about is protecting the underside of your knot from anything that could possibly weaken it so by using a swivel it eliminates any point where your attachment knot could possibly be harmed.

 

Accident prone on the money with last photo,

I like the jigstar sleeve tied to scotty's crane swivels with a uni or san diego knot. I hooked some reasonable wahoo and yft and never had a failure at that end on either poppers or jigs.

 

AP I don't follow your reasoning for the swivel making a difference to knot security. Are you suggesting the extra distance the swivel gives is making the difference? But most of us are tying the same uni knots which still break at the ring.  IMO there is a danger in using swivels or rings that have a wire diameter close or smaller than the leader diameter. There is a greater tendancy for the thinner hard ring to cut the leader when under pressure which brings us back to our original discussion.  I have found that using hard leader makes a difference.  The leader is not prone to cut at the ring so i tend to use Seaguar FC that is protected with Jig star sleeve with Chain knot.

 

So many opinions here so I guess you take your pick and go for it.

Chris actually put me onto this, using kevlar tubing as opposed to dacron, seems to work for me, but as Chris says there are many different options available, find one that works and if possible refine it to suit ya needs, if it fails move on and try another method.

 

Hi Chris,

 

What I was meaning is that there is nothing to bounce around and nick the underside of your knot as the split ring/jig is attached to the bottom eye of the swivel and your leader knot to the top eye. this is what the JM figure 8 solid rings also acheive as there is nothing which can touch your leader knot.

 

With using just a solid ring where your leader knot ties too along with your split ring you can see that the underside of your knot where it loops around the solid ring is exposed to the split ring edges which can damage the loop of unprotected line around the solid ring while jigging and more so when hooked up on a fish. Imaging how much force you have on that knot while connected to a fish and then imaging when the fish shakes its head and the jig and split ring gets bounced around inside the solid ring. If the edge of your split ring nicks the underside of your knot while hooked up on a fish it can definitely result in the knot busting as in the first picture I posted. Which is why some form of protection should be used if you chose to use solid rings regardless of type.

 

With swivels or those JM figure 8 solid rings you can see that there is nothing which can nick at the underside of your knot as everything is attached to a seperate eye.

 

Using appropriately sized swivels and tying with a simple uni knot has never ever busted since I starter using this way of rigging.

 

Yep I definitely do agree with what you say about the leader material vs thickness of ring you are tying to, as you mentioned I have also found that using leader material equal to or slightly less than the diametre of whatever you are tying to does make a difference.

 

And yep I also agree fluro is the way to go, especially when so many of our favourite kingie grounds also hold those toothy mongrels just to offer a bit more protection.

 

hope this helps?

 

Cheers,

Josh

 

 nah mate, tie your leader knot to the top eye of the swivel. The attachment of the kevlar cord via a solid ring to the split just eliminates any problems of the kevlar being squashed by the jig bouncing up and down. Also if you use poor quality split ring (which you shouldn't anyway) they often have sharp edges and can also nick your kevlar cord so attaching via a solid to split eliminates both problems.

 

Rigging this way you should ensure you use high quality/strength split rings as you can see the weight from the fish is also running through the split ring if you attach your cord via a solid ring to the split.

 

Problem is thimbles don't fit inside the jigstar oval rings very well but do in round ones ok.

I'm with you Chris....if it's a solid or a swivel.....the end result is the same. Too much pressure,  point loaded on the leader via the solid ring/swivel. The grommet spreads the load more evenely, cushioning the load more effectively and consistently ......I have used every system mentioned in this thread....both on conventional and spin....the solid/grommet system is the most reliable when you have to push your tackle to the limit. It doesn't matter on avaerage fish so much....but when Mr Big comes along and you have to get serious about stopping huge fish charging through the bricks....anything else is the weakest link

 

I currently use and like the thimbles or the clear tubing, had a few breakages with the red sleeves but thats been after a few good fish so maybe I should have retied it anyway.

 

 Lucky not everybody does the same thing and like to improve on things or we would still be using fibre glass blanks and penn seaboys to jig with.

 

 

Uni knot tied to a quality swivel without protection does not pop. Use quality leader, and retie your knot after a couple of fish (if fish are of reasonable size of course). I use size 5/0 NT swivels and 120lb Fluro leader for just about everything apart from jigging snapper.

 

I have no problems using the big chain link from Mitre 10 as a solid ring... Cheer's JTF.

 

So what all you Mofo's on about