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Topic: Kite Fishing
Posted By: bludog
Subject: Kite Fishing
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2009 at 2:10pm
Hi

I just bought a dropper rig with the intention of being able to go fishing with my 9 month old son 
(in the backpack), only to discover that it is recommended that it's a two person operation. I am sure that there must be others out there that do it solo and I was wonder if you could pass on any tips to make things go more smoothly. I was thinking the bottom long line might be a better option apart from the fact that there is quite a bit of boat traffic on some days. I am in th process of making a winch to haul it in, as I don't think he is up to winding just yet!!Confused 
Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks




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Posted By: snapazapa
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2009 at 3:40pm
I use to do it solo alot,main thing is to make sure you power the kite up,if you got plenty of pull on the kite it makes things much easier,with a dropper rig I always use to lay the hook section out ,bait up,(this is once I knew the kite wasnt going to fall out ),then connect up and let it rip,I never put anything in the float,it was able to go out through the surf better,all my wieght was on the hook section,starting from very heavy,(heavy enough to stop the kite from lifting it,very much a trial and error thing),bit lighter in the middle and enough on the end to stop it getting dragged around in the surf.
To pull in I,well its just plain hard work,I used a leather glove,walk down the line as far as I could,take 2/3 warps round the hand pull it over the shouder and walk back up to the spoll,wind the excess on ,lock it then do the same again,again,you only need to wind it up to the dropper line,then once you have the d/line start letting the main line out again and pull the d/line in by hand,this way once you have your hook section in you can clean it up,rebait and let it go again,west coast beaches you need to run the line out fast cause the paddle crabs will have a field day otherwise.
Bottom longline I would do pretty much the same,power the kite up,empty float lots of weight on hook section,my opinion the botton long line was harder to pull in.
I brought the biggest kite I could find,with the weight as I said its just a matter of trials,you will soon know by the way the kite feels/looks as to how much,fished at Te Ari piont once ,wind was good but it got up after 40min and my dropper rig came right out of the water,through my binos I could see 6 snappas hanging off hooksLOL,got them in ok! 


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Posted By: tugboat
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2009 at 7:35pm
I use to do it by myself as well pretty much exactly as snapazapa discribed..


Posted By: bludog
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2009 at 7:49pm
Thanks for that.  Most of my fishing will be on the Kaiaua side of the Firth so I wont have any surf to deal with , but at certain times just heaps of baby sharks as it seems to be a bit of a nursery for them.


Posted By: tugboat
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2009 at 7:55pm
do others kite fish there, you got to make sure its snag free area??


Posted By: studio1
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2009 at 8:04pm
I used to do it with a flexi-wing rig on a Penn 9/0 spooled with 1000m of braid - and about 12 hooks. No problems going solo but it does take a bit of time on the way back in! With a rod/reel you can just wind rather than worrying about loading the fence reel.


Posted By: bludog
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2009 at 8:58pm
I know that others do fish further in over the mudflats but they do set a long way out to get the fish. I am hoping to get a bit further out but I'll have to play it by ear regarding snags, I thought I would try a few smaller droppers to suss it out , that way if I do snag up I wont loose to much gear.
I was also considering towing a livebait around on a rod as there seem to be a few kingies hanging around.


Posted By: OTK Lure fishing NZ
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2009 at 9:21pm
One person operation for sure once you get used to it!  You need to get a bit of a process going and you'll be right.  I use mine by myself with my dropper strapped to the front of my quad bike and used to head up to Muriwai after work.
 
I would suggest just using 10 hooks mate for starters at least.  Have your reel strapped down as a big wind will take all of your gear.  Also as others have suggested the foul is your worst enemy and there are ways to go around that.  I purchased the learner video when i purchased my kite from Pauls kite fishing, I am sure they will offer any advice.
 
Sacrificial sinkers etc will enable you to fish mostly any terrain.  Have a go with a couple people until you have it all nutted out then try it by your self, reeling in the line while holding the mainline with the kite on the end and spreading the line evenly over the reel is definately an art. 
 
You be right mate, and happy fishing
 
The Fish 


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Posted By: snapazapa
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2009 at 7:52am
Never fished the kaiawa area,tide does go out a long way there,guess the only thing around there is maybe some tricky winds with the mountains behind you,good luck.
 
 
ps;If you fish around te aria point(north towards magawhai heads) just watch for boats,99% of them wont bother you,but I have had a kite cut off there by comercial fishers,watched him wave a knife at me then cut line,raced up to the heads to greet them but missed them,prob just as well cause someone would have ended up in hospitalAngry


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Posted By: Zambezi
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2009 at 9:05am
It's easy to solo.  Get the kite going and clip it to the main line on your rod and reel. Leave a little bit of drag so it doesn't free spool then take the tention up with the drop hand spool.  Get you bottle wieght sorted and lock of your drag.  Then bait up your traces and lay them out all nice like.  Pull back on the drag and take the tension on the hand spool again letting line out at a pace you can deal with.  Then attach weights and hooks and the line spools off.

If that makes sense

After they get a bit of a soak.  Reel it all back in till you get to the part were the line joins the dropper rig/kit line.  Grab the dropper line and then set the reel back to almost free spool.  As you pull in the dropper setup the kite will take it up and neatly out the way.  Once you get the bottle weight off it goes better.  Do this till it's all up in the air and all the traces are off.  Bait them up again.  The tedious part with this is then wrapping the backbone on to the hand spool then stopping to reel in the slack.

Rinse repeat.  Just what ever you do never take the kite off the main line for the retrieving part.  My rig was last seen heading east with snapper in tow.


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Posted By: bludog
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2009 at 12:01pm
Thanks for all your good advice, I will be heading out late this arvo for my first attempt so will post back here later.


Posted By: bludog
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2009 at 9:31pm
Well that was a bit of fun but I managed to get it sorted. I did have miss 9 doing the winding up for me which made life a bit easier.  The first attempt didn't go as planned because I didn't have the dropper rigged right and we got a small snag probably more due to not having the skyhook on, thus not having enough grunt to pull it over the stones. The second set was much better and we even caught a small snapper which we released, so as to appease the gods of the sea.
 All in all a good start as I didn't loose any gear or the plot!! Even miss 9 is keen to have another go!


Posted By: snapazapa
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2009 at 7:58am
cool,better luck next time,I always waited with baited breathWink(excuse the pun),for what was on the end of the line cause you never know whats there,how long did you leave the line out for?  

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Posted By: bludog
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2009 at 10:16am
We only left it out for about 10 mins because we were running out of time and were unsure how long it was going to take to get it back in, but next time we will leave it at least 30 mins as we still had a few baits untouched.
I just need to sort out a decent spool and then I can get the winch sorted.


Posted By: OTK Lure fishing NZ
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2009 at 10:47am
Thats the way mate good effort.
 
General rule of thumb would be to leave the kite out.
 
30mins on the Westcost (due to Attracting Sharks with your catch), and often pull in cut traces from Sharks anyway.
 
And 60mins on the East coast, due to less Sharks let the baits soak.  Dont be affraid to put a 7" jerk shad plastic lure or the likes on the end or near to it at least, this will troll from land to sea and then back again and you will find the last bait always has the biggest fish.
 
Good work for putting your first catch back, I am sure Tangaroa would have liked that.
 
The Fish.


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Posted By: Squirrel
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2010 at 9:44pm
A good trick for pulling it in....

Get a bit of broom handle, 1-2 foot long. When time comes to pull in twist the broom handle around the line a couple of times then pull in while someone winds up the slack.

Simple, no gloves required.

SHANE


Posted By: bludog
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2010 at 10:22pm
I have just finished the winch tonight so as long as my bodgy engineering is up to scratch and it holds together then it should make life a bit easier. I couldn't afford $650 for a new one but I got a 12/24 v motor off TM for $120 and made a spool by cutting the ends out of a gas cylinder and welding a few bits of pipe for the spindle and shaft ...it almost looks like the real thing!


Posted By: kite fisherman
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2012 at 9:24pm
I'm having 2 weeks traveling in a campervan from Auckland to the top of Northland,traveling the east coast and coming back the west coast to Auckland.This will be from  2nd week of sept for two weeks.
I aiming to take my kite along with the dropper rig set up.
What i would like to know,
Best and safe places to fish,
What fish will i catch this time of the year,
What is the chances of flying the kite this time of the year,is it going to be worth while taking my kite on the plane to Auckland,or is it just as easy to only take my surf rods.
I have found in the south island in canterbury that i don't get many good kite days,i'm hoping the north island is better.


Posted By: fish-feeder
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2012 at 8:29am
westcoast is where I fish.
Post up pics of your winch bludog,and ill give you a few pointers on fail points (if any) as I did on my first go making one.
Dont bother fishing on or just after a full moon on the west side,sharks galore.
If you want to do it solo,bottom LL is the easiest,and you just clip on as it goes out and unclip as it comes back to the winch,best use a supplimental skyhook kite to help drag all the line out.
Its all a big balance act from the bottle back ive found.
I wouldnt fish anywhere with any sort of rock/scrag,as you will get snagged eventually.Even on sand beaches you will have trouble,with sand bars and submerged trees and the like.
I usually set the kite up,with my dropper on the spool lying next to me with a spike thru the middle to hold it on the beach,bait up the traces,let it out a few meters to wait for the bottle weight to load up,adjust and then let the kite out and put traces on at it comes off the dropper spool.Keeping the mainline free of the water is the most important part,as the rips will pull your line along the beach and shorten the distance from shore,the only upside is you cover more fishing ground


Posted By: climbaboy
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2012 at 3:16pm
I used to fish my flexiwing with a skyhook dropper rig solo. A few decent tent pegs are all you need..... Do a few pulls with the pegs, anchor them in the sand near the beach reel and then wind the line on in bulk. This lets the kite do the bulk of the pulling in for you as the angle from the dropper/kite changes the kite always wants to go up so pulls in the trace section. I found too many helpers put heaps of pressure on the main line and thats the only time Ive lost gear.

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Posted By: kite fisherman
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2012 at 6:04pm
I have just returned to the south island from a successful kite and surf casting fish for two weeks up the east coast of the north island.Started kite fishing at Waipu Cove,Oakura,Doubtless Bay and as high up the far north as Houhora wharf.
The first week was ****,along with unsettled weather,but things charged for the best the 2nd week.
The Doubtless bay area was the best location by far,with plenty of beach choices with the wind.
I based myself at the Whatuwhiwhi top 10 holiday park for 5 nights and this is a must do place to stay,the owners and staff were  always very helpful and the camp is spotless and the fish shed for cleaning your catch is fantastic.
They even smoked one of my snapper as well.
My success came in only 3 days.
Off the rocks at Rangiputa i caught good size kahawai,along with snapper that was legal size but the biggie was a 4.5kg snapper.
At this stage the only success with my kite was a gurnard off Oakura bay beach.
I was kite fishing at Tokerau,Taupo bays and the baits weren't being touched,and the locals were also having the same problem as well.
The wind changed and i tried at Taipa bay,and was at last successful.
The first set of 5 hooks i managed a legal snapper,but my 2nd set of 5 hooks i landed a 6.3kg snapper,which i was very impressed with.
I made my way back to Auckland i was 3 days early as i was all fished out so i headed to visit friends in Tauranga on a fantastic private beach,where my friend was catching kahawai from his boat in the harbour.
In all my trip was successful but it was only in 3 days of the 15.
My kite is a flexwing with 1000mtrs of braid on a penn reel and rod,i found the best way to bring in my kite was to purchase a gieme  belt to put my rod in as i brought the kite in,i found that was the only way to keep my line tight on the reel,as i was having problems keeping my line tight on the reel if i was bringing my line in hand over hand.
Now back to work and to the real world.


Posted By: phillipcollis
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2024 at 4:36pm
Hi  Phillip Collis from South Pacific Lures 

Also i manufacture electric reels / winches for drones /  { 1 kite }  17 out there with no returns for repairs.. 

Im working with a kite guy to work out that KG drag rating on the main kite line so i can 
have machines to suit them

Drones are using my standard 80 rpm motor with spools & 160 rpm hauling in the fishing line  "" all good ""

This one kite  in question is  going to have spool big sprocket changes to motor size one so reducing to 80 rpm

The 80 rpm is 47 kg  so changes will reduce spool also to 80 not 160..

As i cant find any good line drag rates I'm going to get  new lower rpm motors to suit my thinking..

1 @  40 rpm @ 89 kg rating
1 @ 30 rpm @ 124 kg " 
1 @ 21 rpm @ 174 kg "

I dont believe slower kite recover is an issue as making hauling easier i feel is the issue..

Your thoughts please and line kg darg info if known..Cheers Phillip 


Posted By: phillipcollis
Date Posted: 30 Mar 2024 at 4:47pm
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Link to my trade me listing for reel/winches...Cheers Phillip



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