IGFA Rules Rigs, Live Baits, Baits, Lures.
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Topic: IGFA Rules Rigs, Live Baits, Baits, Lures.
Posted By: Lethal
Subject: IGFA Rules Rigs, Live Baits, Baits, Lures.
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 3:43pm
    ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 3:55pm
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i will do another of lures with treble hooks an doubles plus one on lengths of trace with doubles... anything else your not sure on let me know i will ask Weighmaster to clarify before posting so its correct first.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: ExTrophy
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 8:02pm
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Lethal Would you be prepared to allow me to post these on my website. Acknowlegeing your work of course. ------------- Go Hard or Go Home |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 8:14pm
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nah mate sorry im committed to the Fishing website forum an it wouldn't be appropriate to have them else were at the moment..... love your lures and site though looking pretty impressive well done... keep up the good work an hope it all turns out A OK for you... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: ExTrophy
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 9:16pm
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No worries. Great info tho.
------------- Go Hard or Go Home |
Posted By: Wefaknis
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 9:27pm
| nice lethal well done... |
Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 10:09pm
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Awesome set can you help and ask Weighmaster if the lures below are legal and if not why  The top one is a Mann's Giganticus 50 + and as there design allows for a setup as I have made it I think it will be ok http://www.mannsbait.com/index.asp - http://www.mannsbait.com/index.asp If you go down in there site it shows the manufactures specs to making that rig As for the others 2 they are River2sea, and I am not sure. Many thanks for your help |
Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 10:17pm
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Hard to see from the angle but the bottom one sort of looks like its rigged to run backwards as you have it rigged. Am I missing something? ------------- http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">  http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">www.boulderguiding.co.nz |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 10:17pm
| bottom one looks as tho the hook should be on the other end bro ? |
Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 10:46pm
No you missed nothing great spotting, it is a skitter popper and it has a shackle on it so it can be used eather way and I am yet to run and test it |
Boulder wrote:Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 10:52pm
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im not to sure about that top lure wanabe it has no skirt and yet you have a double hook set-up which is connected to each other.... will be interesting how that one works out, i would say no, but then i never did the course which Paul has be through so i will leave it up to him..... as for rigging plugs from the tow point, that one is also interesting these are certainly the type of stuff that needs tp be thrashed out on here so everyone gets a clearer understanding of the rules... rather than have a fish disqualified at the weigh station... thanks wanabe.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 11:18pm
this double hook rig attached to each other like in a trolling lure... is going to be interesting.... with this one and the ball bearing swivels plus split rings with single hooks i personaly think your wasting your time it wont swim anyway but then its your call.. lets see if its legal first...  ok on closer inspection which didnt show from you photo wanabe the bottom plug has a 2 hook single system which you attached both on the same split ring right.... that one will also be rather interesting as well which is all good mate... these should be cleared up an sorted long before you catch a fish if your wanting to weight it in....  give it your best shot Paul will be interesting how you call them... im holding off now finishing the IGFA plugs and rigs till the call has been made.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 11:24pm
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Lethal check out the Mann's web site and when reading the IGFA section 2 hooks and lures, ....(specifically designed for this use) ???? thanks |
Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 11:37pm
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rules H Hooks and lures
2. Gang hooks are permitted when attached to plugs and other artificial lures
that are specifically designed for this use. Gang hooks
must
be free swinging
and shall be limited to a maximum of three hooks (single,
double, or treble,
or a combination of any three). Baits may not be
used with gang
hooks. A photograph or sketch of the plug or lure must be
submitted with
record applications. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 11:38pm
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i really cant comment mate they may run different rules to us so its very wise to wait an see what weightmaster has to say.... gang hooks are rigged one through the eye of the other not side by side.... from what i understand you may have a treble a single and a double one only on each location if there are three attachments for hooks per plug... anyway i could still be wrong the way i read it... let Paul sort it out that way we are 100% correct for fishing NZ waters.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2009 at 11:53pm
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Cheers look forward to a reply thanks for your comments PS have you been out over the Manukau |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2009 at 12:04am
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hopefully will get out over the bar after Xmas even if its just to trial a few set-ups an catch a few Alberts.... you keen on going send me a PM if you are... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2009 at 7:09am
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wanabe..... the bottom lure is ILLEGAL, "baker's rig" ie 2 hooks back to back held with ties,no hard body lure comes out with that. If you put a set of standard double hooks on it would be ok. BTW Nomad have been running a hook of the front of lures, mainly poppers though for a while and for certain fish species that attack a bait fish from the front it seems to work well for them.(best using 400lb kevlar cord to the hook though)  -------------  www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Weighmaster
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2009 at 11:04am
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i am investigating the bottom set up now and am in correspondence with IGFA shortly as per the yop two lures they are legal
, the top swimming plug may need better alligning to get it to swim good, the centre one with the hooks on swivells will need a rubber band to hold the hook point down whilst trolling to stop the point trying to run in the up possition putting the plug out of balance.
the bottom rig i'm seeking advice on.
great art work there Sir Lethal
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Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2009 at 3:58pm
| Thanks is it legal, to use a weight to a hook, to weight keel it, to keep it point up. thanks |
Posted By: Weighmaster
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2009 at 6:44pm
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i have had a reply to my enquiries, the top two are fine.
the bottom rig not, as it is two single hooks not a double hook (solid single bit of steel). as they are not a hook length apart. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> trolling one knot faster, one degree off course, is where we should have been yesterday? or ! |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2009 at 6:54pm
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cheers bro... thats what i thought as mentioned earlier
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2009 at 6:55pm
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ok so your towing one of those lures and you catch 2 fish on the same lure, is this legal?
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Posted By: ancient mariner
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2009 at 7:09pm
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Bloody tinny is what I would call it BA! ------------- NGATI PAKEHA I was born here too! |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2009 at 8:39pm
If the rig is legal .. the catch must be also  why do you ask ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2009 at 8:48pm
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WELL THE QUESTION WAS ASKED IN A BLUE WATER MAG AND igfa COULD NOT MAKE A RULING ON IT bloody caps, so yeah wondered what others thoughts were
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2009 at 9:24pm
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interesting BA... two fish one lure due to it having two hooks that are capable of catching a fish on each... or maybe one fish eats a smaller fish already hooked and gets hooked on the other would be a better question.... also how about this senora, you hook-up a undersize King on one and a Black marlin takes the lot and gets hooked on the other free hook and both stay attached... or the undersize kings falls off at the boat and is dead but you know it was hooked on your rig as well you tell the weighmaster????? how will that turn out i wouldnt have a clue.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2009 at 10:35pm
| Interesting question BA. Jmo but I would have thought that because two fish were attached to the one lure it would be seen that each fishes fighting potential was hindered by the other and therefore the catch or catches would be deemed as disqualified. For IGFA to not make a ruling surprises me. Maybe I'm missing something. |
Posted By: *stu*
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2009 at 3:05am
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Two fish fight against each other when using a two hook ledger rig which is legal. Just more food for thought. |
Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2009 at 10:33am
9 times out of 10 they'll rip the rig apart or one will shake the other off the other time your name must start with tin or BA . Had jigs (kingi) bent like banannas but not landed two at once yet maybe need to add a third hook eh.
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Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2009 at 10:38am
OK another rig, and is it legal to use a weighted hook many thanks for your help |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2009 at 10:53am
the 60degree drag and snag rig.... ....been to a Pakula school recently have ya?
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Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2009 at 12:06pm
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I wouldnt want to be the deckie trying to release a fish with that rig. be great for catching 3 kingies at once though
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Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2009 at 2:51pm
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Lethal - interesting scenario that of a bait fish being hooked and then eaten by a marlin. If memmory serves me correctly a very nice blue marlin (173 kg I think) was caught either off the Manukau or Raglan on 15 kg line quite a few years ago. They hooked an albie and then the blue took the albie and got hook and was successfully landed. If I remember correctly (and I may be wrong here) the fish was disqualified as the ruling was that the albie was not intentionally used as a bait for the marlin, i.e. the albie was being fought as a gamefish in its own right and then got eaten.
However if you were bringing in a skippy, albie or kahawai and saw a marlin chasing it and you then allowed the marlin to take the bait then that might be a different story.
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2009 at 6:36pm
wanabe i think i could tell you from his other post is you have too many hooks on a lure that is designed for 2 only...... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2009 at 6:48pm
cheers for that Marligator thanks for you time.... my first lost mac skippy lure ever lost, was when something huge swam under the boat and took the Albert an lure from me, ive also had the wife pulling up a rat king an that was devoured as well by something even bigger an without teeth, so can relate to something happening like that... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2009 at 8:09pm
| Thanks Eric I get the picture |
Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2009 at 7:48am
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I always thought that if a marlin ate a baitfish you were landing then that was a legal catch. However, if a live bait is deliberately employed, then it must be of a legal size. A big blue won, then got disqualified in a tournament from Coromandel or Tauranga because an undersized kingie was used as a live bait. ------------- Be yourself; everyone else is already taken |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2009 at 8:43am
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Fishb8.... big stripy over 150kg(20k cash prize) was DQ using an undersized kingy as live bait in the Whitianga comp a few years ago.
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2009 at 10:39am
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i remember that one as well, guys had spent quite a bit of money at the pub before they found out the fish was disqualified.... also remember the Big Mako landed at Napier which was tied up to the boat after landing it.... not to sure how this one ended up... the rope they used to secure it was longer than allowed... from memory they took the committee of the Club to court and won.. when it comes to big money Tournaments you had better know the rules.... foot note to myself... do a pic on ropes, gaffs, tag poles..... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2009 at 5:51pm
HOW DID THE MARLIN KNOW IT WAS UNDER SIZE what a load of boll**ks if you put it back to the sea it is not for human consumption therefore does not fall to legal catch sizes that catch should have been allowed |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2009 at 5:54pm
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no mate dont work like that, the angler knew it was undersize therefore illegal, unless I read this wrong and the king was being retrieved still not allowed, recon you have to be frigin lucky to knock one over like that too, hard enough when you rig a livie for it to nail the spot.
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Posted By: Weighmaster
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2009 at 6:03pm
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in NZ it is illegal to keep, have in your possession, ore use as bait any under-size fish currently listed in the MOF fisheries minimum sizes as per the fisheries act last revision thus any gamefish caught on an undersized bait intentionally or not is disqualified by IGFA as being caught in waters where it has contravened a local law. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> trolling one knot faster, one degree off course, is where we should have been yesterday? or ! |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2009 at 6:55pm
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thank you Weighmaster... will add that one as well... will send these to you before posting to make sure i have it exactly right to the word.... cant have any mistakes, im not the expert on these regulations but would just like to help people understand in layman terms, what it all means to have everything right first time an not be disappointed if they managed to land a winning or world record fish.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2009 at 8:42pm
So, Paul, the likes of an albert or skippy or kahawai, with no minimum size would count whether deliberately set out as a livebait or snagged while retrieving.
I had a marlin snag a skippy while trolling at the Ruahine Shoal - it stayed of for a good few minutes before it came unstuck - at least I got my Macskippy lure back. ------------- Be yourself; everyone else is already taken |
Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2009 at 10:07pm
| Fish8 - only legal if the bait was intentionally being used as a live bait. |
Posted By: Marligator
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2009 at 2:46am
| I agree with Fish Addict, but the grey area comes when bringing in a skippy or albie on a small game lure and a marlin comes up after it and you let the marlin take the fish, does that make the albie or skippy being used intentionally as bait? No way of knowing how the IGFA or NZSFC (formerly NZBGFC) would respond to this unless a record application was submitted. |
Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2009 at 12:50am
| If you were to intentionally let a marlin (or other gamefish for that matter) engulf the fish you were pulling in then I think a case could be made that you were in fact intentionally using the initial capture as a live bait. Obviously this is open to challenge by others and without evidence it would be difficult to prove. In an ideal world where honesty prevails, no problem, but unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world so such a capture is going to receive its doubters and so I could understand a disqualification verdict. At the end of the day I think you will need to prove you intentions to disprove the critics. jmo. |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2009 at 11:09pm
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so far we have quite a few IGFA rules that i have been able to make simple and easy to understand... ive just finised a whole lot more of these and just maybe they should get locked away and can only be viewed instead lots of comments and finally get lost.... anyway Paul Weightmaster has another 3 or 4 to verify before they can be put up, wording has been simplified an drawings added.... anyway this one needs your approval... anything need to be added to this one...  ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2009 at 11:15pm
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ok it looks small... if your having problems reading the above and are using Firefox..... its easy just push Ctrl and + at the same time do it as many times as you need to will zoom in...... Bugger still a bit hard to read.... may have to put them up signally... let me know..... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2009 at 7:16am
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Thanks Eric - Ctrl + also works for Opera. ------------- Be yourself; everyone else is already taken |
Posted By: Busted!
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2009 at 10:31am
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How about adding the blue marlin's scale shedding onto that write up? Stripies don't shed, blue marlin do...
We've used that a couple of times as an I.D. feature, unless you get one of each model side by side (and sometimes not even then) it's not easy to tell which is which.
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2009 at 10:35am
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"Stripies don't shed, blue marlin do..." yes they do!
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2009 at 2:19pm
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laugh like hell even the people that had these fish up, had them around the wrong way.... they say a stripie has a straight lateral line if you look hard, a blues one can only be seen when young and has a bend in it, but once the blue gets bigger it cant be seen at all its under it skin or scales.. anyone noticed this????? ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: Busted!
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2009 at 12:27am
All right, they both do but stripies have the scales embedded in the skin for want of a better term. I've always been edumacated that if you can flick scales off it's a blue - if you can't it's a stripie. Or is it an individual fish thing - yes or no?
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2009 at 12:47am
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if thats the case Busted then we have an easy way of IDing these fish which is what is needed... will also ask Weighmaster how he go's about ID the different species as thats his job.... good luck out there guys and gals wish you all the best, finally looks like the season has kicked off.... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2009 at 6:58am
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Busted... pretty spot on with the scales but there are easier and more distinguisable features between the species. Some good info above but no one has mentioned the different texture/coarseness(is that a word)lol, of the bills. Stripy is smoothest of the 3(120grit), Blue next at 80grit and Blacks are the roughest about 40grit.( grab a hold of one without a glove and you will see) Just go out and catch them and let us decide on the weigh stations around NZ what they are Good Luck everyone and let the fun and games begin ------------- www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2009 at 6:14pm
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good one Kaveman, like that lots mate... problem with leaving it to the weigh stations, they cant see the ones you release, hence we need better ID for everyone..... ------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing |
Posted By: anarchy
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 9:03pm
Hey all quick question about pitch baits with circle hook in front of a moldcraft with a stitched bait inside Where is the hook length measured from for the igfa rules - where the lure starts or where the bait starts? Cheers mike |
Posted By: Weighmaster
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 9:08pm
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the bridle length is from the front of the lure to the bend of hook where bridle is attached. i.e. what is in front of the lure/bait combo. ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> trolling one knot faster, one degree off course, is where we should have been yesterday? or ! |
Posted By: anarchy
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2015 at 9:10pm
| Cool cheers |