Teasers
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Topic: Teasers
Posted By: Catchelot
Subject: Teasers
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 5:48pm
New subject, new thread, why not...
and if has been been done before 100 pages ago, apologies to the resident experts 
So, what teasers do folk like and how do they run them?
Witchdoctors, Broomes Birds, rattlers, daisy chains, spreader bars, floats, fenders...Bring it on
I was talking to BA about them and he personally reckons Witchdoctors put the bonito off...
However, having said that I have been on a boat that towed one all day and we still caught bonitos.
We used to tow 18 inch cresents  they used to make quite a commotion in the wake, sometimes even big dog food cans with lids on in a daisy chain full on nuts and bolts to make noise and rattle... as myself I like things that rattle and make noise with the theory that it makes fish curious to come up and have a look.
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Posted By: Nic ####
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 6:13pm
cut the top off a 1.5 litre bottle and put some mono through a small hole in the middle of the bottom of the bottle and tow that.. we keeped mistaking it for a live skippys so that would prob work
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 6:24pm
wouldnt even be stupid to drag a length of chain around mate....
first time i come across chain being used was my first dive for kingies, the older guys had it sussed, nailing as many as they wonted, just lifted the chain up an down causing it to rattled, the kings come roaring in to check it out and got nailed.....
cant see why anything that makes a noise wont help pull the fish in, predators are always on the lookout and will check it out im sure.....
------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing
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Posted By: skidoggg
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 6:43pm
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just remember the more crap you tow out the back the more gear you have to clear when the pandemonium begins!
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 6:47pm
Lethal wrote:
wouldnt even be stupid to drag a length of chain around mate....
first time i come across chain being used was my first dive for kingies, the older guys had it sussed, nailing as many as they wonted, just lifted the chain up an down causing it to rattled, the kings come roaring in to check it out and got nailed.....
cant see why anything that makes a noise wont help pull the fish in, predators are always on the lookout and will check it out im sure.....
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Hadn't tought of that one, good idea Eric, yes I bet it works bloody well mate 
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 6:48pm
skidoggg wrote:
just remember the more crap you tow out the back the more gear you have to clear when the pandemonium begins! |
Yes I agree there Ski, don't over complicate the tow or the gear eh.
I s'pose you fullas drag your empty half G flagons  
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: skidoggg
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 6:55pm
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depending how many crew on board 5 or 6 rods 1 or 2 bungys for skippys or alberts, mainly as an indicator alberts get the fillets whipped off and put on ice skippys get released or if we got enuf albies just leave the skippys on bungys as teasers !
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 7:12pm
hookless lures...... .....like your idea of leaving skpiipes on the bungy Ski....nice mate......perhaps throwing out the odd pillie or similar when ya get a fish up? often thought that might work to "tease" up a passive fish in to an angry one....dunoo....and don't really care either....
how many bonito you reckon do you have caught C'lot?
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Posted By: skidoggg
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 7:15pm
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sometimes if we get desperate we will chuck the spreader bar out tho it hasnt brought any fish up yet...
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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 7:15pm
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Nah if you tow them the wrong way they fill up with water and sink KQ......
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Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 7:15pm
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s88t not much fishing would go on with her on your boat
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 7:16pm
you legend Bekah!!!!!!!.....
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 7:31pm
Kezza wrote:
how many bonito you reckon do you have caught C'lot?
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Lost count...and your point is?
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 7:35pm
think he is getting at, if its here mate be more like skippies rather than bonito, trouble is i dont think these guys know you have traveled the world and been a few places
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 7:36pm
no point at all....just checkin' ....like BA we never used to catch many skippies/alberts on the bungies when we used to run the 'Doctor'...and never caught a bonito ever.
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 7:42pm
Blue Asparagus wrote:
think he is getting at, if its here mate be more like skippies rather than bonito, trouble is i dont think these guys know you have traveled the world and been a few places |
Oh I see, is that the issue with the resident expert, so bloody sorry to use the wrong name, funny though how all the bait sellers call it Bonito and not Skipjack, but they aren't blasted for it.
Why is it that this forum is becoming so bloody precious to post upon and not upset the resident expert wonkers and tosspots that know it all... 
Cos at the end of the day and when the tide comes in and the sun hits the ocean, we just want to fish, share ideas and thoughts, chew the fat with those that do it, collaborate with fellow fishos doing the same thing and not re-invent the wheel and make it square, but yet the wonkers shoot us down.
So am I wrong in asking? ...shrug...sigh or just give up and let the jafas rule 
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 7:59pm
get ya hand off it ya gripper.....I was asking you how many bonito you have caught and participating in a thread about teasers....if you feel backed in to some sort of corner over that; then it is you that have the problems I'm afraid........
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 8:04pm
My boat is my teaser, as is any boat your fishing off for marlin.
there are two types, teasers, exciters, think it was mentioned a while back.
Over the years I have run a number of them witch doctor, now dont get me wrong they work bloody well, I have 2 of them, I have not used em for a couple of seasons, I found if I wanted skippies I took the Dr out of the water, but when the tubes were full it got wet again, now one of them and those who have seen swear it has been dragged around a quarry. it has been nailed and smashed especially on the west coast I used large cotton reels, bloody awesome in a daisy chain, did the same with old lures, tin cans etc etc they work, never brought a chain of cans home. I know tow boone birds, weather on a lure rigged leader mainly on the shotty or in a line of 2 about 1.5m apart. these are on teaser reels. I believe these to be the best around, this is just my opinion and means nothing guys.
the idea is to get action on the surface and pull fish to your boat, have you ever wondered why some lures work lots better than others, is it the colour. is it the action, well I now believe its the noise the lure head makes as it punches the water, this also relayed to me by a top game fishoe and lure maker.
so making a commotion on the water with noise and white water is the idea i recon.
one other addition to my teaser set up is a set of mirrors on my hull, do they work, you betcha they do but they aint for the faint hearted, you only have to look at the ones on my starboard side to see why.
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 8:09pm
Kezza wrote:
get ya hand off it ya gripper.....I was asking you how many bonito you have caught and participating in a thread about teasers....if you feel backed in to some sort of corner over that then you have the problems! |
You are simply amazing...do you have anything good or kind to say or do you just know it all and so we should just not post and not ask and just bow down and prey to Packa/Mecca head that knows it all.
Apologies all for even suggesting such a post...far can al, won kers r us, jafas will nva change, see ya at the weigh station or on the end of the tag pole.
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 8:14pm
Blue Asparagus wrote:
My boat is my teaser, as is any boat your fishing off for marlin.
there are two types, teasers exciters, think it was mentioned a while back.
Over the years I have run a number of them witch doctor, now dont get me wrong they work bloody well, I have 2 of them, I have not used em for a couple of seasons, I found if I wanted skippies I took the Dr out of the water, but when the tubes were full it got wet again, no one of them and those who have seen swear it has been dragged around a quarry. I used large cotton reels, bloody awesome in a daisy chain, did the same with old lures, tin cans etc etc they work, never brought a chain of cans home. I know tow boone birds, weather on a lure rigged leader mainly on the shotty or in a line of 2 about 1.5m apart. these are on teaser reels. I believe these to be the best around, this is just my opinion and means nothing guys.
the idea is to get action on the surface and pull fish to your boat, have you ever wondered why some lures work lots better than others, is it the colour. is it the action, well I now believe its the noise the lure head makes as it punches the water, this also relayed to me by a top game fishoe and lure maker.
so making a commotion on the water with noise and white water is the idea i recon.
one other addition to my teaser set up is a set of mirrors on my hull, do they work, you betcha they do but they aint for the faint hearted, you only have to look at the ones on my starboard side to see why.
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Nice mate nice, good constructive comments that make real sense, excellent I hope that helps people that are out there trying and thinking of new ideas to raise the fish.
Lots of ideas and lots of devices can and do raise the fish and obviously time when we don't want them out and deployed.
This sort of stuff is my opinion for the small boat guys to raise the bar and attraction for those that feel that small boats with clean water behind the stern don't cause enough noise and wake behind there trolling, maybe for the yachts too. So good stuff 
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 8:15pm
Where is the photo of that pink 'rubber lure' that got 'towed' last season...KQ or Ron who has it ? come on fess up that was a classic 'teaser'......
 
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 8:16pm
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keep your hairs on foolio.....you made this personal!!...I was simply replying to your thread and you got bent out of shape?.....dunno....as you were.....just look after that big chip you got on your shoulder.
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Posted By: kingyqueen
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 8:18pm
 
that got the winning marlin in the nautigals....
dont thinks its a teaser though...
i think its an exciter 
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Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 8:36pm
What it is, is the sort of thing that's funny when you're pissed on rum at 3am. Most people come to the conclusion that that sort of thing is best left to the memory and bar stories. Regurgitating it a year later is kinda sad.
Now stop trying to wreck this thread.
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 8:43pm
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Posted By: rono
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 8:43pm
So am I wrong in asking? ...shrug...sigh or just give up and let the jafas rule 
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I'm a jafa thank god I'm not a smib
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 8:57pm
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Good on ya Bex luv'd ya input and humour is great and welcomed.
But it seems the meccas and peccas would rather know it all and prevent the collaboration and sharing from continuing... oh well, only in Auckland eh 
So will the thread continue or will those with an IQ of a Triple Fin Blenny shoot it down again.
Rum on its way Bender 
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 8:57pm
its a fishing site, maybe start a thread called what we all want but will never have, I am happily married, I have a son at that stage in life where this sort of thing is influencing on him, so this does nothing for me, no really its true, yes at 3am its funny and I have had a laugh but there is a time and place and this aint it, just my opinion and I am always wrong
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 8:59pm
go for it Kingyqueen sure makes a break.....
anyone tried making a huge Boonebird like body out of a 4x2 and checker plate floor aluminum wings or something way over the top that sends a splash up over a meter high.....
come on guys think outside the square lets get this water flying in such a manner every predator is going to come look at your offerings....
------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 9:00pm
Blue Asparagus wrote:
its a fishing site, maybe start a thread called what we all want but will never have, I am happily married, I have a son at that stage in life where this sort of thing is influencing on him, so this does nothing for me, no really its true, yes at 3am its funny and I have had a laugh but there is a time and place and this aint it, just my opinion and I am always wrong |
and thus I am wrong in creating a post of Teasing... have you checked his sheets 
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 9:02pm
Lethal wrote:
go for it Kingyqueen sure makes a break.....
anyone tried making a huge Boonebird like body out of a 4x2 and checker plate floor aluminum wings or something way over the top that sends up a splash over a meter high.....
come on guys think outside the square lets get this water flying in such a manner every predator is going to come look at your offerings....
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Nice one Eric nice...I tried to mate but got shot down from the know it all wonkers.  
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: Jaapie
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 9:06pm
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Let me try sidestep this sheetfight and put something up.
There is some good stuff here already about the boat being the teaser and what not.
I would say about 75% of the fishing we do here in Aussie is switch baiting and towing teasers around, so perhaps these comments might help.
On the short corner we either run a daisy chain of rubber squid with a Boon bird on the front. This is detachable and can be removed if need be.
One of the best things we have used now for a few seasons is the holographic stripteaser. Cleat it off on the short corner about 15 meters out. Another really effective teaser we used for ages was a bunch of beer cans strung together, but they don't last very long - they tend to tear along the thin aluminium body - fish love them and often come right up onto them.
We have dedicated teaser rods that we use and set only two lures.
Very much a flyfishing setup (I'm a flyfishing nut), but this works really well for raising fish.
One of the things we have found over time is to try keep things simple......too much gear doesn't only confuse fish, but the crew as well! As has been mentioned earlier, you do need crew to clear the gear. If you are short handed, I'd suggest just the stripteaser and one lure on the switch rod.
Personally, I do not use the witchdoctor as a teaser per se - rather it gets chucked overboard when we are live baiting an area. Just something I have utilised in this fashion.
Anyhoo.....just something to consider.
Good luck fellas.
------------- "Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught,will we realize that we cannot eat money" - 19th Century Indian Creed
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 9:10pm
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Bloody fantastic mate, thats the sort of stuff I wanted to hear, the basic nuts and bolts give it go attitude and the keep it simple stupid.
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 9:16pm
The green stick teaser runs behind the lure, chasing the squid lures that are out of the water.
The Tuna crash the lures that are in the air, would be a sight to see.
------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/
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Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 9:19pm
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boone bird on the shotty every now and then also have custum teaser rods made up run teasers of them, more for switch baiting that we will be doing more and more of. run sealine 600H with 130 lb mono, couple of spreaders i made up last winter when board, run them go well, teaser poles made up to run hookless lures
heres a pic 
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Posted By: GAMFSH
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 9:20pm
Here's something a little different that we ran last season and tell you what it did the tricklost count of how many times it got smacked around and is looking a little worst for wear but it certainly did the trick 
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 9:37pm
Thank you people, keep them coming, I am now geting top answers and hints, and a few PMs from the arguements and some from the mods.
Good stuff, bring it on!
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 10:11pm
trouble is with a teaser that big Mark I would need to use a rope to secure it, I dont think my teaser reels would have the drag to do the job
was reading an article some where? the guy was making his teasers out of those Myzone water bottles and put a skirt on them to spice em up. readin between the lines and his shots I feel it works a treat, well for him any ways
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Posted By: GAMFSH
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 10:14pm
Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 10:22pm
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couple of tricks I read on the marlin nut in regards to teasers(large) was to have a cut down funnel at the top of the rope tied to the bollard which slides down the line to the teaser, when you pull it out of the water.
makes good sense.
Also a rubber band tied to a loop in the teaser line, when it snaps, somthing just hit the teaser.
------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 10:31pm
one thing I think too is that if you have a crew who would rather sleep then dont take em out, teasers are there to attract fish to the boat and into your spread, no good towing gear if you have no one watching the show, tease and swich or what ever one wants to call it is a team sport, dont know how many times last season I called for a bait long after the fish has come into the gear and doing its thing, you have to be switched on, probably why charter boats do well at it, the deckie sleeps he looses his job. hope a few tow teasers this year and try to switch as it is an in your face sight to be hold, nothing like a marlin right up at your step, I cant wait.
------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland
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Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 10:45pm
well Jaffa or not hope this puts a smile on things
the new addition arrived the other day hope they work

Gooney birds
http://www.tournamentcable.com/pgs/catsearch.cfm?itemcat=GBS - http://www.tournamentcable.com/pgs/catsearch.cfm?itemcat=GBS
After making my own and buying others I have a small collection and not sure what works
Mother in law

and some standard things

home made

the bumper was to hard to hold onto gave up on it

The mold craft make a good surface commotion obald is going to by me a chocolate fish if I catch on the legend one and the others are movers and teasers.
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Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 10:48pm
GAMFSH wrote:
Here's something a little different that we ran last season and tell you what it did the tricklost count of how many times it got smacked around and is looking a little worst for wear but it certainly did the trick 
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Is it the legend one
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 10:51pm
like the top one mate, now people who asked will know why I was after bowling ball pins or skittles
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Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 10:56pm
Blue Asparagus wrote:
like the top one mate, now people who asked will know why I was after bowling ball pins or skittles
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I like the action they make on the you tube clip hope they work
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 23 Nov 2009 at 11:00pm
one way to find out mate get em wet
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Posted By: dustin
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 12:15am
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Teasers use is a little different for each species. Roddy wrote a good article on this in NZFN some time ago, worth reading again if you can find it. For tuna and smaller billfish that mainly feed on smaller schooling bait, multiple teasers like daisy chains, spreader bars etc either fished by themselves or combined with single teasers are the go. Big teasers are better for blues. If they cannot be got away easily from the fish make them large enough that he will sheer off and take a lure instead ie. large fender or witchdoctor.
The other thing is some folk spend lots of time and trouble on choosing and rigging and everything to do with their lures yet all of that goes out of the window when it comes to teasers. Just because it doesn't have a hook doesn't mean that any old piece of junk will do, sure there are effective teasers that can be made cheaply but just chucking any old thing behind the boat as an afterthought will not work as well as something that is carefully selected and fished as part of a plan. Not so much for NZ striped marlin but in other places when trolling for smaller billfish your lures or baits can be quite small and your teasers can be more important than your baits in bringing them up. Some folks I know who are into this sort of fishing have a selection of different teasers ready to go and change them out depending on the behaviour of the fish - maybe starting out with a daisy chain on one side and a single teaser on the other side and switching out the single teaser if more fish appear on the daisy chain, etc.
Bait and switch fishing, to me, is kind of more like traditional lure fishing since you are most times using the same lures running them in the same positions etc... but minus hooks.
As important as knowing how to use teasers is when not to use them ie. when short crewed, when conditions make fishing difficult, where there is limited space and so on. One of the hardest lessons to learn in fishing can be when to fish simple.
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Posted By: Lethal
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 1:08am
nice read dustin, the one that scares me when towing teasers is the hit and miss then gone, never to know what you might of had.....
i can tell you on a couple of occasions we got nailed by stripies where we weren't watching and bang fish on....
ive stopped using them since i started using a combo of very good lures, and mainly use the time to get them running right....
------------- Thanks for everything you did for us Eric. may you rest in peace, You were one of the real legends of NZ recreational fishing
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Posted By: BeachedAsBro
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 2:23am
Blue Asparagus wrote:
one thing I think too is that if you have a crew who would rather sleep then dont take em out, teasers are there to attract fish to the boat and into your spread, no good towing gear if you have no one watching the show |
Pretty much my thoughts on burleying for kingies off the bricks too - sorry just a thought from a Jafa that can't afford to go fishing for marlin 
------------- Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish caught will we realise we can't eat money.
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Posted By: dustin
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 2:58am
Lethal wrote:
nice read dustin, the one that scares me when towing teasers is the hit and miss then gone, never to know what you might of had.....
i can tell you on a couple of occasions we got nailed by stripies where we weren't watching and bang fish on....
ive stopped using them since i started using a comb of very good lures, and mainly use the time to get them running right....
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I agree. You got to have an idea what the odds are likely to be. There will be a % of fish that hit a teaser and don't give you a second shot but likewise there can be 101 ways to miss or lose a marlin on a lure with hook and if you think you are likely to get enough extra chances with teasers out to make up for those that don't come back, go for it. The thing is that equation changes every month, every week sometimes on a day to day basis. So you have to be quick on your feet and ring the changes.
Teasers should be watched all the time I agree but so should lures. The next marlin that's caught after some alert fellow saw just a sliver of fin nip up behind a lure for one second and was able to tease it back, or cover the area and raise it again, won't be the last.
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Posted By: phantomdeviant
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 6:28am
Some interesting stuff here guys.. I dont tow any teasers due to a lack of hands on deck, have a couple of mirrors down the side of the hull though. Dont have to worry bout dragging them out of the water
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 8:10am
Good stuff guys, lots of good ideas to attract them in. Keep them coming...
I agree that teasers can be a problem when there isn't enough crew onboard or they are sleeping, but as a question what do you do when a fish is raised?
Do you pull the teaser in and hope the fish will go for one of the lures? Because many a time the fish will want to have a go at the teaser if that is the case it probably is not interested at all in the lures.
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: Lickindip
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 8:39am
i may be wrong as i've only had a quick glimpse over this thread but
why has no-one mentioned wave walkers?
pictured here http://www.meltontackle.com/products/wave-walker-big-game-teaser.html - http://www.meltontackle.com/products/wave-walker-big-game-teaser.html
are they just not successful for our type of fishing over here? i would think they are similar to the birds
has anyone had experience with them???
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 8:53am
What a very cool idea, I like that alot, would be worth trying it out. 
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: Lickindip
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 9:12am
i made a wavewalker a year or so ago, didnt take it out game fishing but did tow it behind a boat in kawakawa to prove the concept ... funny enough it ran sweet and threw up a bit of water and definetly got my mate and myself rolling around on the deck laughing out tits off
ive made a version 2 with laser cutting some foam out which is ALOT SMALLER and want to put them in a chain and see how they go
below is a pic of a quick model i made before the cutting, i think the body length is around 200mm or so but i can scale it to what ever, i have a few things i want to change before a make the next few

like i say "only one way to find out"
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 9:40am
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Well done Lew, I was going to add with a bit of good 'ole kiwi ingenuity to make something similiar cos the price is over the top.
And what colour would you make it, perhaps use some mirrors on the front bits...
And then wait for a big Mako to come along and destroy the lot in a single mouth full 
Good fun though 
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: Lickindip
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 9:58am
haha ive seen quote about the wave walkers saying "marko's and sailfish swim through the pattern and completely nail the wave walker"
the first big one i made was out of some spare foam lying around the place the smaller ones i'm cutting out and then laminating the foam together mirrors etc will be added, also a few other 'improvements'
will hopfully get a updated one on the water soon for a bit of fun 
i think putting 3+ on a chain with swivels would look pritty good
i got my 1st one holding sideways on a face of a wave spraying out a big of water, looks freekn halerious
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 10:11am
wave walkers look the goods, I was having a read up about them, the gun who was doing the writing said they were great but made mince meat of any lines that crossed their path he claimed that they got nailed and he reverted back to the boony bird because of the cockups when it went bad.
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Posted By: Peter Pakula
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 12:17pm
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Bottom line is teasers work, just about every one mentioned works.
I can't get over the incredible paranoia about 'too much gear in the water' I can understand it regarding twin screw fly bridge boats using chair rods so that to chase the fish you pretty much need to back down after the fish. In every other situation there's just no panic or often even a need to retrieve the rest of the gear at least in the initial stages of the fight as all the movements of the boat are going forward. You may have to do a bit of knitting to clear the fish from other rods that are in the way, but you have to do that anyway in the initial stages of the fight.
I do most of my billfishing solo or with one other on board. Basically the concept is that I'm there to catch fish. If I think something else in the water will help me do that then it's going in.
It's only a problem if I find a fish and hook it! I like those problems.
If you think you only need 2 rods and no teasers then why don't you do that when you have a full crew?
Why would you not give yourself the best chances of getting that fish.
Wave walkers are really good at spinning up your line, they are almost a worthwhile investment to despool reels when you need to change line. I think there'd be a good market for that development. :)
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 12:24pm
have you any new teaser plans on the drawing Board Peter?
you were talking about tossing baits not long ago, when you are doing this are you still towing the good Dr or some thing else?
cheers.
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Posted By: Peter Pakula
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 1:29pm
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Hi BA, great to see you active!
No more teasers at the moment, the Doctor and Digger do it for me. When I cast at fish the gear is usually all still out. I cast under the riggers. The only exception was last year when we saw lots of swimmers. We then pulled all the gear in and ran at cruising speed looking for them. Manged to get 4 that day. 2 trolling gear and two casting hybrids.
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 5:20pm
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These are what I hope to try, I have been looking for these for some time and bought them from Ozzy.
Basically they have reflective tape on them and they rattle, but what I like best is that they can be used in three ways;
1, Attached to the leader above the lure of your choice.
2, Attached as a daisy chain or singley on there own or as a string of them.
3, As a float for livies, particularly for Kingies. Cos I do not like using balloons as I find they do tangle and cause a bit of twist on the leader if there is too much wind.
But, back to being a teaser, they reflect light and make lots of rattling noise and if they splash and pop then I reckon they will be a fish raiser, as long as the Mako don't think they are candy.  
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Posted By: anarchy
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 8:19pm
just got some of them aswell for floats for tuna ang kings, awesome as for kings outfish ballons all the time
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 8:23pm
Hey cool mate, tell us more...how you deploy and what you think of and so on...
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 8:49pm
Here is some brilliant stuff that came to me from the Grandmaster, thanks Roddy for PM'ing me this, I hope you don't mind me posting it up for the lads to see and learn from, bloody good stuff love it! 
Morning !
Thought you might like to read this, if you've not done so before. Hope it helps some. Fire away with any questions if you've got any.
By the way, that Zeus you see Gamefish posted - you can pull that in at 8 knots, unlike a lot of huge teasers !
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TEASERS:
The game-fishing season is finally upon most of the north island, and it all looks very promising. Plenty of yellowfin, striped and blue marlin, and the odd other warm water visitors like mahimahi have also popped up from time to time. However, there are always those who complain that they haven’t had much luck, and if that’s been the case with you here’s a few thoughts that may just be enough to pep up your spread with the addition of some surplus plastic !
When it comes to teasers, many people think immediately of wooden Kona-faced plugs run off corded line much as Zane Grey would have used. Their modern counterparts include giant marlin lures, daisy-chains, fender teasers such as those sold by Moldcraft, wooden birds by Boone, strings of CD’s and empty cans, the odd plastic flying fish and Pakula Tackle’s Witchdoctor. There’s an awful lot of toys being pulled around behind boats, no matter how you look at it. But, before you turn the page because you think you’re happy with what you have , think a minute about what you’re pulling and what you exactly want your additional bits and pieces out the back to do.
If you want something behind the boat to create commotion and attract fish to your lures, than you’re running EXCITERS. If you want to run something that attracts a fish and which you then retrieve to the boat so the fish follows it and then eats something you pitch at it, then you’re running TEASERS. And for different species you’re going to have to think differently about what you run. An exciter will normally consist of something that a fish cannot take away from the boat, and it can also be too big for a fish to eat. A teaser, on the other hand, is designed to let a fish try and eat it so you can take it away and make the damn thing chase it to the back of the boat. To confuse matters still further, some people try and do both things with the same article, and others will run both teasers and attractors at the same time. As you can imagine, a 100kg yellowfin will happily eat a marlin teaser without warning and then not come back, whilst a marlin will try and eat an exciter such as a fender or WitchDoctor and then go away in disgust. You really do have to work out what you want to do with both types of attractor.
Here’s a broad run-down of how you might look at the situation with each of the three main species of fish you’re likely to encounter in NZ waters.
- TUNA like to eat schooling fish, particularly bait-fish that ball. If you run individual lures with hooks in them, the easiest way to attract tuna to your spread is to make it irresistible to them, and the easiest way to do that is to add more fish to the “school” behind the boat. This can best be achieved with daisy-chains and spreader-bars, as Exciters. My preference is for my tuna exciters not to be hooked and part of the spread - many people run small daisy chains and add a hook to the last one for example, and some boats abroad will happily run five or more spreader bars and put an armed bait behind them. However, my preference is to use exciters which are not armed, and as a result they will stay in your wake and not be taken away by hooked fish. As a result of this, the tuna will continue to crash your exciters as you hook up on your lures. It’s a simple process, easy to set-up and you have little to do except pull in your exciters if needs be when the boat stops so you can play hooked fish to the boat. In addition, you don’t have to deploy your exciters a long way back, and two large spreader bars with 40 or more baits on each are easy to deploy and retrieve. I personally like to rig these so they are run through an eye on the rigger (attached with a weak link so the eye can detach in an emergency) which allows you to wind the spreader bar to the eye and leave it dangling there out the way while you deal with your quarry. On a small trailer boat it will pay to think outside the square and do something like this as two large bars with their baits in the boat in the heat of battle will cause chaos. Another alternative is to run large daisy chains off the corner cleats and feed them into a receptacle such as a thin tall blue poly-bin put into the corner of the boat specifically for that purpose. Either scenario will add meat to your spread and do far more to attract the attention of a shoal of tuna than a pattern of single baits. Obviously you won’t need to use exciters if you’re in the midst a huge workup with fish leaping out the water, but they are a fantastic option on those days when bites spaced apart.
Other options also include Strip Teasers, flying fish and exciters made from CD’s and cans. Strip Teasers (http://www.stripteaser.biz/) are long thin strips of clear plastic with holographic fish thermally bonded to them. The strips roll up for stowage, weigh nothing, have little drag in the water and are substantially durable and relatively impervious to the antics of tunas. Running these on a spreader bar is a great option instead of proper plastic squids, and there is the added advantage of being able to change the strips so your baitfish profile matches the hatch. In the USA they are commonly deployed underwater on weighted dredges, but they work just as well on top of the water and I’m very fond of them. For the person who is limited for space, and who can’t be bothered to manhandle huge spreader bars with zillions of baits on them, a small 24” or 36” Super Bar with strips is a very realistic proposition.
Flying fish imitations come in a range of shapes and prices, be they Moldcrafts little softies, Yummies from Carolina Lures ( HYPERLINK "http://www.carolinalures.com/yummeefln.htm" http://www.carolinalures.com/yummeefln.htm), Area Rule’s little Fish Skin Flyers or similar. They can be used on spreader bars, but are normally rigged on reverse-droppers on a chain. If flying fish are the bait being eaten, an exciter that imitates the particular profile of a flier will elicit far more strikes than a regular fish shape. Indeed, if there is one rule in chasing tuna, it is to match the hatch in size and shape, colour being far less important. I cannot stress that point more. If tunas are feeding on 4” baits, you will do far better running 4” lures. If they eating saury, you will do far better pulling something long and skinny than a fat short lure. Match the hatch - gut the first tuna of the day to see what in them and use the binos to see what the birds are eating.
CD’s strung in a chain or cans spaced apart on a knotted rope are also commonly seen offshore nowadays. I have used both but much prefer to use plastics on spreader bars. CD’s should be chained in loops, and even then will quickly break up or delaminate. They do flash like hell though, and are best used at relatively slow speeds. I know of some people who make traditional small daisy chains of them and deploy them off a rigger whilst chunking or jigging on the drift. I have never used this system but imagine it would create quite a flash and probably be very good for sharking too. As for cans, I have it under oath that Red Bull is the can to use, and simply punch a hole in each end of the can, tie a knot in the line and continue, spacing them appropriately. Quite apart from the effectiveness of the exciter, I’d imagine it’s a win/win situation as your crew will be wide awake all day long after drinking the Red Bull.
Finally, a small boat spread for tunas wouldn’t be complete without a few additional thoughts. I have found over the years that I have caught more tunas at slower speeds than high. That such a 5 or 6 knot speed is better for both fuel consumption and running bibbed lures such as a Rapala is a simple benefit. Indeed, a spreader bar in each rigger works so well with a bibbed minnow running just under it from a flat-line clip on the corner of the boat that you’d think they were made for each other. Throw in a couple of surface baits on the long riggers and a heavy sub-surface bait on the shotgun and you have a pretty darn good pattern for a small boat. Tunas aren’t afraid of white water (albacore actually love the stuff) so try trimming the motor up slightly if you’re not getting your fair share of bites. Last, but not least, if you only have one fish on, DON’T bring all the other gear in, leave it out there, point the boat downsea and bring the fish to the boat steadily. You may well find the hooked fish will bring the rest of the school back up with it and you’ll suddenly find another fish hits a lure - this is particularly true of bibbed minnows.
STRIPED MARLIN - the fact that both yellowfin and stripies form a mixed target for many NZ boaties can pose a problem. If you want to maximise your chances of either species during the day you’ll be better off running exciters rather than teasers. There is nothing worse than running a teaser for marlin and having a large YF crush it in a crash bite and then go home without you. Likewise, there is nothing worse than wanting to catch a striped marlin and have one come up in a daisy chain and get tangled up so badly the fish is then spooked. In this respect, spreader bars are a much better bet as an exciter for striped marlin than a daisy chain. As a species of fish that habitually feeds on balling bait, a stripie will recognise and respond more actively to a bunch of bait than a series of individuals Indeed, the second largest NZ mainland stripie last season was caught exactly this way - it ate a bait run just behind a hook-less spreader bar.
The other simpler option for exciters for striped marlin are very large lures, something along the lines of Black Bart’s Extreme Breakfast, A Gunga, or a Zeus from Legend Lures. This type of lure is good for both stripies and yellowfin being so large that it is almost impossible for them to eat. However, the downside is that a 600lb plus blue marlin will have little hesitation in attacking something this size and this can be a problem……..more on this later. When running a large lure like this for any scenario, don’t be tempted into running it off a cleat with rope. By all means run it off something strong, but wind that strong stuff onto a reel, an old Senator for example. A large blue marlin will happily break fixed rope at speed, but a lure on a reel with a drag will often survive the encounter and you’ll get your $300 exciter back again.
If you want to tease a striped marlin to the boats so it then eats a bait on whichever tackle you’ve chosen, there’s a few more points to think about other than a YF might eat it first ! Your teaser lure needs to be smooth running and easy to pull to the boat. An angled head can jump and tangle, turning a hungry fish into a fussy eater, and it can also dig in and make retrieval uneasy, leaving a fish enough time to eat the teaser properly and then go away. A good teaser is traditionally a symmetrical lure, whether flat faced or cupped, and whether you want it to be hard of soft is a matter of personal preference. Personally, I think it matters not a jot to the fish, but from the crew’s point of view a softhead is very difficult to take away from a fish that has it firmly in its mouth, while a hard head is much easier to pull out and away from a hungry fish. Indeed, many of the top marlin boats in the world are turning back to hard heads for this very reason, despite the popularity of the SoftHead and its kindness to deck and hullsides.
BLUE MARLIN - when you go to sea to catch a blue marlin, it is best to understand that this fish, along with a black marlin, are true beasts, heavy in size and quick in speed. To understand them fully, try to catch a loose bull with your bare hands and some rope to appreciate the damage bulk can do at close quarters, particularly when that bulk is moving at speed close to you. As a result, there is little you can do when it all goes wrong, but by starting off with a few pointers it may be possible to alleviate some of the collateral damage.
Firstly, it almost impossible to think of an effective exciter for a blue marlin. And by this I’m referring to the removal of the exciter, not the fact that it will attract fish. Almost anything you can physically put in the water can be eaten by this species, and most of the time a blue marlin will eat it in a hurry and in such a way as to sometimes necessitate a change of underwear. Indeed, a large 600lb plus blue marlin will eat a 30lb tuna for breakfast, so an exciter like Bart’s Lunch or a Zeus is but a snack. Even a large fender teaser is a likely sized bait, and this is one of the reasons why I will not run them for blues. In fact, in my opinion anything that you cannot remove from the water in a hurry is a no-no for blue marlin, and this includes daisy chains, spreader bars, the popular lulu bowling-pins, WitchDoctors and Enormous Johnsons from Moldcraft. Indeed, nothing gets me worked up more than a professional crew who are proud of the fender that is ripped off their cleat or the disappearing Lunch. Especially when it’s the only bite they got that day and the fish never came back.
But, if you’re not going to use exciters, you may choose to bait and switch and that means teasers, at which point I will point out that anything you put in the water for blue marlin should be rigged on 400lb mono at the very least. Personally I use 650lb Extra Hard Moimoi or Superior Suffix as my starting point and I go up from there. Leader can break during a fight just as easily as line, and there is no excuse for losing fish by the boat if you’ve knowingly gone too light on the leader. Tangled fish will snap leader, and a jumping fish can break it by landing on it. So go big from the off, and to get away with using that bulk, go to wind-ons. Wind-ons are excellent for teasers, especially on electric reels where you may have gone for the full 15’ of leader. Indeed, a wind-on can let you bring a teaser right up to the rigger eye, leaving little to dangle in the briny and provide a target for a teased fish - more than one rigger has been broken by a blue inhaling a dangling lure.
The teasers themselves can be of the same ilk as those mentioned for the striped marlin earlier, although as a blue marlin is more than capable of eating larger bait the teasers can be larger too. Remember the golden rule, you must be able to get it way from the fish, and with a blue marlin this is all but impossible if they’re really fired up. You’re trying to get them it a bait, remember, and a fish attached to 400 yards of mono and with your teaser in its mouth is not likely to reappear for dessert.
Incidentally, one piece of advice you may balk at and think unnecessary, is to run your teasers on at least 300 lb mono. This is not so much for the strength issue, but more for the fact that when a blue eventually does eat your teaser and you want to get it away from the fish, it is far safer on your fingers and hands when you grab the line or jam them in the spool to have that nice big kind mono to get hold of, not some nasty thin line. Under no circumstances should you ever use braid for teaser lines, by the way.
As one of the apex predators of the ocean, a blue has little to fear in the wild, and your boat is the main attraction for such a fish. Remember that. Many, many blues are caught every year by people who put four lures in the water and nothing else. No teasers, no exciters, nothing. The best blue marlin crews in the world rarely use more than four lures, and whether they are hooked or used as teasers, you’ll often find that they are not overly sized and are easy to eat. The “Hawaiian huge lure” mindset that I touched on last month is rarely encountered on most of these boats - it is much more the reserve of the many thousands of people who fish recreationally and consider themselves at the front of their game - but that’s another story. Just remember, to catch a blue marlin, it can be as simple as being in the right place at the right time with a lure that is easy to eat, and with hooks/leader/tackle capable of handling your victim.
Now, it may be that a larger lure may attract a blue marlin better than a smaller one, and an active lure may trigger a response quicker or more violent than a quiet lure. But a lure pattern carefully thought out to cater for the predatory instincts of a blue can tick all the boxes, and a wise angler who thinks a little can make all sorts of lures work to their advantage. One of the commonest ways to resolve some issues is to run an easy-to-eat lure behind a large lure. In this scenario, the large lure, although armed with hooks, plays the role of an exciter. The easy-to-eat lure, on the other hand, can be any lure you would use as a teaser and is therefore easy running.
If ever there was one thing to remember about blue marlin, it is not to over-complicate the issue. Blues are so quick, so strong and so unexpected that it pays to keep things very, very simple. Indeed, in its simplest form, a good set-up for blue marlin from small boats is a couple of loud active lures with hooks up short, and a couple of easy to eat lures on the riggers. A bait is then set up in the boat with loose line in a bucket of water, that, when dropped back, will end up in the area exactly where the short lure is run. A Power Gum loop or Dacron loop is attached to the line and put in another rigger clip. When a fish appears on the short bait, the lure is simply retrieved to the boat, smoothly, but quickly, allowing the blue to come to the boat with it. As the lure is taken out of the water, the bait is thrown outboard and will come tight on the loop in the clip. The angler holding the rod should have the reel in free-spool and the rod out to one side. As the blue reaches the boat it will turn in a circle back towards the area where the short bait was. On its circle it will come across the newly-arrived bait, and it will eat it. It is as simple as that. Blue are programmed to do this manoeuvre almost automatically, and 9 times out of 10, this is what will happen. As the fish eats the bait, the angler should drop the rod backwards towards the fish and free-spool (and I mean free-spool, no fingers, nothing) for a count of at least 10 before coming tight. If you’re using a circle hook, simply load the rod and hang on without striking.
All of this means that a crew prepared to adapt to the situation, can run a generic marlin/tuna pattern that caters for almost anything in NZ waters, as long as at least one person is prepared to work a little and be close to a teaser rod. For tunas alone, it is better to put out a spread that caters exclusively for tunas and count a billfish as bycatch, though anyone who pulls hook-less spreader bars will be well advised to have a bait ready to drop back to a stripie or marlin if raised. On my 509 Stabi this season, for example, I’ll be running a hook-less spreader bar off one rigger, and a large hook-less lure off the other. I don’t want a blue marlin, so there will be no hooks in the large lure, but there will be a saury bait rigged to drop back to either a stripie or a YF. I’ll also have another stick set-up for casting lures at surface fish, and another for dropping live-baits to targets on the sounder - but that’s another story.
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Posted By: arjay
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 9:50pm
Woah! Thanks mate - that is worth keeping on record.
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 10:08pm
Peter Pakula wrote:
Hi BA, great to see you active!
No more teasers at the moment, the Doctor and Digger do it for me. When I cast at fish the gear is usually all still out. I cast under the riggers. The only exception was last year when we saw lots of swimmers. We then pulled all the gear in and ran at cruising speed looking for them. Manged to get 4 that day. 2 trolling gear and two casting hybrids. |
cheers Pete, yes I got a message you had made a phone call, cheers.
good read Roddy thanks for that.
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Posted By: wanabe
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 10:25pm
Roddy
thanks for that lot good reading hope we can put it to good use.
Would you say a hook less Andromeda is as big as you would use on the rigger
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Posted By: dustin
Date Posted: 24 Nov 2009 at 11:25pm
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On my 509 Stabi this season, for example, I’ll be running a hook-less spreader bar off one rigger, and a large hook-less lure off the other. I don’t want a blue marlin, so there will be no hooks in the large lure, but there will be a saury bait rigged to drop back to either a stripie or a YF. I’ll also have another stick set-up for casting lures at surface fish, and another for dropping live-baits to targets on the sounder - but that’s another story.
Roddy, which of those teasers/methods ended up being most successful for you that season? Which of the two teasers raised more fish? Did you get any gamefish by casting? Did dropping livebaits to sounder targets end up being more successful than pitching off your teasers, or did more fish come up while trolling? How well did the saury baits keep in the cooler compared to ballyhoo? I'd forgotten about your last para when I read that article some time back.
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 7:03am
was in at Hunting and Fishing Keri yesterday, they had some real nice teasers in there, looked like skittles but had wings bit like a boone bird. dunno on price was in a rush, and for those who want lures they had some awesome ones with the top names for $50 down from $99 and had a bin full
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Posted By: Kezza 1
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 10:07am
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man thats awesome info roddy! only problem is it makes me want to go out fishing right now and ive still got stinkiing exams!
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Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 11:02am
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We went out one time to load up for skippies - it was really flat calm and although we could see them we could attract them. We put on a small Moldcraft bird on one lure and we started getting them - just on the one lure with the bird. Next time out we put a jet-head with a bird and snagged a stripy.
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 25 Nov 2009 at 10:11pm
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Nice Roy nice...
See at the end of the day, with all of the devices mentioned... they all bloody work 
I like Erics suggestion of of a big bird with kick ar se aluminium flaps that will make a huge splash and commotion. and that wheely walker thing too albeit a hazard around loose line...
but I think we should think about what Roddy is saying in terms of excite and tease, do we, don't we, and if we do?, when do we pull it out...?
And if we raise one, is it the teaser that raised and made it come up for a sniff or the boat and wash and noise and then the bits we put in the spin and wash that made it happen.
Gee I even looked at a road work's orange witch hat cone today and thought how about that on a rope, with its inside filled with foam space saver from a spray can, reflective tapes and colours put around it and tow it backwards. 
Imagine the spray and kickup... 
------------- "The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau
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Posted By: Moocha
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 5:50pm
Catchelot wrote:
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Some on Trademe now I see.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Fishing/Big-game/Lures/auction-256718637.htm - http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Fishing/Big-game/Lures/auction-256718637.htm
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Posted By: phantomdeviant
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 8:16pm
Just saw that descriptive post Al. Cheers mate. Good reading for sure
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