Dead Pilchards and Dolphins!!! (and now Dogs too)
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Topic: Dead Pilchards and Dolphins!!! (and now Dogs too)
Posted By: Mahiman
Subject: Dead Pilchards and Dolphins!!! (and now Dogs too)
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 10:21am
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There have been reports of Pilchards dying and being washed up on the beaches around whangaparoa area. More disturbing is my chatting with Whale watch captain there have been quite e few Dolphins found dead in the same area over the past few weeks. There are people working to try and figure out whats going on. IF ANYONE FINDS ANYTHING DEAD IN THE GULF PLEASE PICK IT UP AND GIVE ME A CALL. THERE IS A MARINE SCIENTIST AT AUCKLAND UNIVERSITY WHO WANTS IT FOR TESTINGPaul 021 227 9584
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Posted By: KARP
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 10:27am
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Have also seen dead Gannets closer to horn rock . ------------- www.femmefatale.co.nz |
Posted By: Adam Scott
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 10:28am
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Im picking its Herpies.
And I think Ive found how it originated
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Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 10:30am
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BigDog has 100kg of the pillies in his freezer - must be a good starting point! ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: EZ.ON.PC
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 10:31am
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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 10:34am
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Does'nt sound good at all! |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 10:37am
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am out for a jig this weekend so will keep an eye out, geezze something has to be wrong with the eco system
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Posted By: Damo
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 10:39am
Post of the year  Yip seen the dead gannets off Jimmies yesterday no dead mammals though. Are you suggesting we pick one up bro and bring it in? ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">  www.charterconnection.co.nz Facebook: Diversity-Fishing |
Adam Scott wrote:Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 10:42am
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Will be out too, had taken note. However, I'll be only picking up something that will fit in a 12footer and lives in water. ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: Mahiman
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 10:48am
Yes mate that would be a good start
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 11:15am
hey boys, dont knock it till you try it, just gotta watch the pointy bit, post of the year  love you love your work
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Posted By: Tua
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 11:18am
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will keep an eye out ------------- Train for Safety Training in First aid, working at Heights,Confined Space,Fire fighting |
Posted By: BeachedAsBro
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 12:40pm
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Wait till the RSPCA get hold of that man!! ------------- Only when the last tree has died and the last river has been poisoned and the last fish caught will we realise we can't eat money. |
Posted By: fozzie
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 12:41pm
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People were reportiing pilchards on Orewa beach a fortnight ago being washed up. ------------- Dont take life too seriously.....no one gets out alive any way. http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Monty
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 12:46pm
Gannet Man put on a bit of weight  Seriously though, does anyone know if this will spread to the other fishies we like to eat ?
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Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 12:55pm
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Ah you're a good man BA, a cuddle afterwards goes down well. By the way it's Dolphins that are supposed to be anatomically the same, so I'm told, not Marlin. |
Posted By: Amateur
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 1:37pm
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Posted By: LEVCAT
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 3:06pm
also interesting to note is that dolphins are the only animals that have sexfor pleasure... hhhmmmm
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Posted By: Amateur
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 3:34pm
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also interesting to note is that dolphins are the only animals that have sexfor pleasure... hhhmmmm [/QUOTE]
Don't know if they are the only animals Levcat, I believe you can add pigs and humans to that list.------------- No half measures! |
Posted By: phantomdeviant
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 4:07pm
Priceless ------------- Skirt Pulla |
Posted By: OffTheHook
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 5:44pm
| they've got swine flu |
Posted By: camdog
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2009 at 9:11pm
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Theres a dead dolphin at the Mokes by the wharf,been dead at least a month
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Posted By: skidoggg
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2009 at 8:41pm
bit of flying gaff practice! you sure we wont get done back at the ramp with a dead dolphin in te boot paul ?
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Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2009 at 8:09am
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Seems to be getting pretty dam serious now with reports of a few dog deaths after walking the shore beachs and some also violently ill
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/mystery-killer-affecting-beach-wildlife-dogs-2885143 - http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/mystery-killer-affecting-beach-wildlife-dogs-2885143 ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Ritual Groove Meister
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2009 at 10:34am
| A lady from Manukau is reporting similar symptoms in dogs being walked down south auckland along foreshore. She reported to Manakau district council, they said it was a regional Council issue, rang ARC they said it was a district council issue. She ended up being directed to an answering machine. Bet I can guess where that message ended up. The ether realm of ostrich with it's head in the sand. Test the water and foreshore sediments now you useless ****s |
Posted By: Wanda_Ra
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2009 at 10:37am
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Auckland's North Shore City Council is advising people not to walk their dogs on any of the region's beaches. Two dogs have died and another became violently ill, after being taken on beach walks. One of the dogs died after walking along Narrow Neck Beach. Poisonings have been reported at Devonport, Browns Bay and Waiake Beach. Several dead penguins, seagulls and fish have also washed up. Environmental Protection Team Leader Duffy Visser says the council does not know what is causing the deaths. A pollution prevention officer has taken what he believes is a sample of vomit from one of the dogs which is undergoing testing. Ms Visser says until the results of the toxicity tests are known, dog owners should take precautions to ensure the safety of their pets. ------------- If you think you are too small to make a difference,try sleeping with a mosquito in your tent. |
Posted By: GAZRAE
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2009 at 3:14pm
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Did`nt doc or somebody recently carry out an ariel spray of poisin pellets over rangi/mototapu to get rid of the rodents? |
Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2009 at 3:30pm
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Posted By: BIG DOG
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2009 at 4:10pm
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[QUOTE=Mahiman]
There have been reports of Pilchards dying and being washed up on the beaches around whangaparoa area. More disturbing is my chatting with Whale watch captain there have been quite e few Dolphins found dead in the same area over the past few weeks. There are people working to try and figure out whats going on. IF ANYONE FINDS ANYTHING DEAD IN THE GULF PLEASE PICK IT UP AND GIVE ME A CALL. THERE IS A MARINE SCIENTIST AT AUCKLAND UNIVERSITY WHO WANTS IT FOR TESTINGPaul 021 227 9584 [/QUOTE
Paul my dad still has pillies in his freezer that he collected a couple of weeks back that washed up dead on Orewa.
Give me a ring if you want a sample Matt 0210 22 77 257
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Posted By: Snake Eyes
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2009 at 4:29pm
They sure did. Been a hell of a lot of rain since then too. Now we have dead things in the water. Not rocket science aye. BUT its all perfectly safe. Yeah right! ------------- A fast games a good game |
Posted By: kens
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2009 at 4:33pm
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"Also, if you are aware of any fish deaths, please contact the Emergency Pest and Disease hotline on 0800 809966. They operate 24/7." ------------- The past, the present and the future walked into a bar. It was tense. |
Posted By: JonnyBlaze
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2009 at 4:42pm
| I know a well known angler who was fishing the shallows ar Rangi and they were dropping alot of it in the water and in his boat! I wonder if the people that dish out fines for water pollution would be interested in this? |
Posted By: kens
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2009 at 4:50pm
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Are they not the same people who did the drop? ------------- The past, the present and the future walked into a bar. It was tense. |
Posted By: JonnyBlaze
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2009 at 4:55pm
| Well DoC did the drop and some othe govt dept does the water pollution thing. Could you ever see DoC coming out and admitting they had made a mistake? No way! |
Posted By: Busted!
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2009 at 8:43pm
| If they get a bashing over it it might slow the ****ers with the airdrop palnes down a bit... |
Posted By: Capnnod
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 7:51am
| They are now saying to keep out if the water! Isn't that going a bit far.. and keep kids off the beach too.. I was planning to go fishing this avo and my regular wants to pull out. Any sign of dead snapper floating? Could they be affected if they've eaten the dead pilchards? Has anyone tested any snapper? |
Posted By: Photofisha
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 8:13am
| So is it safe to assume that fish are ok to catch and eat because they have gills? |
Posted By: Husky
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 9:06am
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We need some proof if it is poison, I assume we are talking 1080 here, certainly 1080 is very toxic to dogs, it is designed to kill mamals, which could explain the dolphins.
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 9:46am
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Now's the time to go catch some fish for the mother in-law ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Olfart
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 9:55am
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More poison being dropped on Rangitoto and Motutapu tomorrow (weather permitting) Check this out.... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=10588723 - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=10588723  ------------- Semper in excreta sumus, solum profundum variat.... |
Posted By: RnR
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 10:02am
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Could this be the reason? While doc have happily said they are not using 1080, when asked about the recent sea life and dog deaths, I have not heard them mention they are using using rat poison on Rangitoto, but their website has all the info.
http://www.doc.govt.nz/conservation/threats-and-impacts/animal-pests/pest-control/rangitoto-and-motutapu-islands-restoration-project/ - http://www.doc.govt.nz/conservation/threats-and-impacts/animal-pests/pest-control/rangitoto-and-motutapu-islands-restoration-project/
This from the website;
The Auckland Conservancy has embarked on an ambitious and exciting programme to restore the iconic Rangitoto and Motutapu islands in the Hauraki Gulf Marine Park.
What does the project involve?The project will remove the seven remaining mammalian pests - feral cats, rabbits, stoats, hedgehogs, Norway rats, ship rats and mice - from Rangitoto and Motutapu islands. This builds on the successful removal of possums and wallabies from the islands in the 1990s, and the reforestation of parts of Motutapu. How will pests be removed?The most efficient way to eliminate all of these pests is through a combination of poisoning (particularly for rodents) and trapping. The eradication will begin with three aerial applications of rodent bait containing brodifacoum between June and August 2009. Brodifacoum has been identified as the most effective poison for eradicating rodents in this situation. Brodifacoum is found in the rat poison commonly bought in supermarkets and hardware stores. For more information on Brodifacoum, see the http://www.doc.govt.nz/upload/documents/conservation/threats-and-impacts/animal-pests/auckland/rangitoto-motutapu-pest-eradication-fact-sheet2.pdf - Rangitoto & Motutapu restoration project - rodent eradication fact sheet (PDF, 305K) . Experience of more than 50 island eradications around New Zealand has shown that aerial bait application is the only way of successfully removing rodents from large islands. It's a method that is safe and proven to work, and prevents rodents from becoming bait shy and surviving to repopulate the island. What will this mean for visitors?For public safety, the islands will be closed to the public for a period of one week after each of the three bait applications, which will occur between June and October 2009. ------------- Why are the north sea boats down here fishing our waters and stealing our fish? |
Posted By: kens
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 10:04am
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From Wikipedia
Brodifacoum is highly lethal to mammals and birds, and extremely lethal to fish. It is a highly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioaccumulation - cumulative poison, due to its high http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipophilicity - lipophilicity and extremely slow http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elimination - elimination . HMMM ------------- The past, the present and the future walked into a bar. It was tense. |
Posted By: Husky
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 10:05am
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[QUOTE=Olfart]More poison being dropped on Rangitoto and Motutapu tomorrow (weather permitting) Check this out.... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=10588723 - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=10588723 So it is not 1080, just harmless rat bait!, you would think that they would delay the next drop until test results were known, ------------- The Sun warms the earth, not your SUV. |
Posted By: Karlosnz
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 10:08am
mmmm sure will be interesting to watch how this is played out
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Posted By: T_CARP
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 10:16am
| planning on heading out tomorrow. Im guessing if any fish caught look healthy enought then they should be sweet to eat?? Maybe its a blessing in disguise. DOC needed to screw something up and the public to all get together and show our rage. Their 1080 and other poison drops have gone on long enough, They have to start to investigate some better methods. |
Posted By: Nomis
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 10:31am
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this pisses me off. we dont know for sure yet but i take it every one in the same boat as i am as to how it happend ------------- I'll act my age when im 69 |
Posted By: Nathan
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 10:40am
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Im still alive!
Ate snapper last night caught at Castor Bay on Monday night.
Surely there would have to be a heap of rat poison in the water before it got potent enough to kill dogs. Unless it floats and has washed up for dogs to eat.
Seems a logical question to ask though, the timings are about right.
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Posted By: SaltyC
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 10:43am
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Hmm, brodifacoum is an anticoagulant in mammals and is used precisely because it doesn't make the recipient sick and thus bait shy. It is unlikely to be the cause of immediate sickness in dogs .... also not known to cause the type of problem being reported with dead pilchards etc. Remember the truck that rolled and dumped a load of this stuff into the sea on the Kaikoura coast, they didn't report this sort of result there. I'd be holding fire until test results are in. |
Posted By: Nathan
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 10:49am
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Reports just in......
..... it was.........
GLOBAL WARMING
they tried to warn us but we didnt listen, but now its here
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Posted By: kens
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 10:58am
Yep on reading up a little more it also is unlikely to wash into the sea.
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 11:23am
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Hope they find the cause soon!... Last thing we need is another bout of cabin fever around this place! ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 11:35am
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Just dont eat the Kidneys of fish guys and you should be safe.
But I wouldn't be collecting any shellfish (Filter feeders) to eat as this will accumulate the toxin if that is the reason for these mortalitys.
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Posted By: herby
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 11:45am
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Posted By: Mahiman
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 11:55am
| I would not come to any conclusions yet fellas. The dead Pillys were up at Whangaparoa quite a long way from Rangi.. |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 12:17pm
and liver. ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 12:19pm
I heard it takes a week for any humans to notice any symptoms. Seriously, I landed one last night aswell(not far from your spot)... not sure if Im gonna try and eat it. ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: snapper mad
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 12:30pm
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Hi all the radio just said not to touch the fish. Thay dont no whats killing the fish. The tide comes in six hours and goes out six hours it can spred a long way in that time. ------------- If i fished like i lied i`d be good |
Posted By: KeenAs
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 12:55pm
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don't touch which fish Snapper Mad?.... the pillies? and/or other species of fish caught - snapper, trev's JD's, Kahawai's......??? |
Posted By: snapper mad
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 1:00pm
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HAY all i gess they did not say what fish. ------------- If i fished like i lied i`d be good |
Posted By: Wefaknis
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 2:12pm
No..... I broke the dam
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Posted By: Nathan
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 2:30pm
| yeah thats it - classic!! |
Posted By: pleasedelete
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 3:12pm
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Doc is using brodifacoum
Here are some facts about what those charged with Conserving the environment drop on it by the tonne.....
brodifacoum (as with other anticoagulants in toxic doses) increases permeability of blood capillaries; the blood plasma and blood itself begins to leak from the smallest blood vessels. A poisoned animal will suffer progressively worsening internal bleeding, leading to shock, loss of consciousness, and eventually death. Brodifacoum is highly lethal to mammals and birds, and extremely lethal to fish. It is a highly cumulative poison, due to its high lipophilicity and extremely slow elimination. Because of its persistency, cumulative potential and high toxicities for various wildlife species, it is also considered an environmental pollutant (N; noxious to the environment). Given these extremely high toxicities in various mammals, brodifacoum is classified as "extremely toxic" The American Bird Conservancy has advocated that brodifacoum not be used by the general public. They cite several studies indicating that secondary poisonings of predatory birds and animals are common due to the extreme persistance of the pesticide within both target and non-target species. It may also be dispersed by insects that feed on poisoned bait without harm and retain the pesticide within their bodies. Being dropped June to October 2009 in The Gulf islands some good rainfalls ( to wash it into the Gulf) - and suddenly stuff starts dying....Coincedence...??? I would love to see the Toxicology reports myself.------------- Nature Has a way of Ironing the Cowboys out..!! |
Posted By: ambo364
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 3:21pm
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NZ Herald reported that "Five years ago a virus killed large numbers of fish in the Waitemata Harbour, mainly pilchards, and there were similar reports of dead fish in 1998 and 1993." On my calculation that would make us due for another "fish virus" hit, so maybe this thing has mutated even worse this time. Did any of the other years affect mammals to such an extent though? On the other hand, the way it seems to be affecting dogs so quickly makes me think its chemical related rather than viral or bacterial, as the latter both need time to manifest themselves in the body and replicate. A chemical will just go straight to the central nervous system pronto which is what seems to be happening in the pooches!
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Posted By: BIG DOG
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 4:18pm
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Lady from MAF bio security wellinton called me today to get samples of the dead pillies my dad got off Orewa beach a couple of weeks ago. They have some samples from the other Whangapararoa area beaches that washed up in the same week for testing also.caught sanapper with them last week and ate it and I am still moving.
She advised not to eat the pillies ( as if I would ) or feed them to pets. Also said not to eat fish also but stated that they were just saying this to be safe and cover their arses just incase untill the test are done.
Will let you know when I do about results.
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Posted By: Medic
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 4:32pm
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Where do all the fish shops get there fish from? should we also be worried about fish from places like Oceans? ------------- “Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival.” |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 4:44pm
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just saw an update on tv1 news, they are now saying to keep small children off the beach.......
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Posted By: Medic
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 4:47pm
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what does that mean? Is it only children under 5 or do I count as the wife says I'm just a big kid?------------- “Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival.” |
Posted By: Husky
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 5:00pm
[QUOTE=Blue Asparagus]just saw an update on tv1 news, they are now saying to keep small children off the beach.......
LOL, so we are to look after small kids, medium and large kids are allowed and it doesn't matter if they get sick....... die either it safe or it isn't? make up your minds.------------- The Sun warms the earth, not your SUV. |
Posted By: Doubie
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 5:24pm
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Call me cautious but I would be concerned about eating anything 'fishy' caught locally at the moment until I know a little more.
Some of this (toxic) stuff can be cumulative and with noboby really seeming to have much of an idea about exactly what it is that is killing off the sealife, I am certainly a little wary.
Could certainly be some media hype however as often the media is criticised (rightly or wrongly) for hyping up a story....
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Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 5:40pm
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Will be nice to get to the bottom of this and find out what exactly is going on or is this an X File that we may never know, particularly since it has happened in the past.
Rat bait drops, effecting pilchards on Orewa/Whangaparoa, penguins, gannets, dolphins from the Mokes to Coro...doubtful, but...
Toxic algae effecting plankton, shrimps and then up the food chain from pilchards upwards...who knows...
Someone even suggested seismic underwater volcanic activity....sulphur dioxide and so on....who knows.
Some pollution run off from auckland....
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Posted By: skidoggg
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 6:11pm
| wonder if its got anything to do with the dredging for the new sewer outlet? |
Posted By: Carbine
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 6:45pm
I went down after big dog posted his old boy got some pillies the sunday after and got 20kg of them and while picking them up was smoking and such and im not dead just a big load of crap i imagine part of the sircle of life - probably get spun into a massive media storm  .
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 6:51pm
That did cross my mind too... But there's been no news of either... If there's volcanic activity in the Hauraki Gulf, it won't just be the wildlife in the sheeit. ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 6:53pm
ski.... my mate is operating that barge and all they are doing now is covering it up so it doesnt float. I dont think it is even operational yet. Will ask him on the weekend and report back  -------------  www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: graham 99
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 7:07pm
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considering N Z's scientific community are petty good . this is taking to long they are looking for someone to blame before they go public N Z's love of the blame game has to stop because if this is natural and crossing the speices barrier so quick we can kiss our ar...se goodbye so live life now |
Posted By: Ritual Groove Meister
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 8:45pm
| I rekon, get on with it, do something |
Posted By: JIMMY NAIL
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 9:05pm
| Its a real worry fella's I hope its not to serious! |
Posted By: Big H
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2009 at 9:47pm
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Extremely unlikely to be brodifacoum as it's not very solouble so it tends to bond with organic particles in the soil. If the soil becomes immersed the brodifacoum tends to sink into the sediments.
I reckon its an agal bloom.
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Posted By: Damo
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 7:38am
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Herpes virus...pretty common.
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Posted By: A C
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 7:59am
Wake up team - we all know it's Ciguetera caused by global warming  ------------- Aye-Aye cloth eyes. |
Posted By: Damo
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 8:06am
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.....in fact, I remember reading/hearing from a reliable source that close to 15% of the species is infected with Pilchard HerpesVirus (PHV) and it can easily cross gepgrphic boundries. Also .....The pilchard is a highly active, pelagic schooling fish which is found in subpopulations, creating difficulties for the conduct of surveys. It occurs in Australian coastal waters and embayments below about 25 °S latitude, feeds on plankton and is predated by birds, mammals and larger fish. It reaches sexual maturity at 2 years of age, spawns at sea, enters embayments when about 5 months old and returns to sea when about 1 year old. It may live for 6–9 years, reaching a maximum length of 200 mm. It forms schools and may travel up to 30 km per day. Pilchards aggregate in mobile shoals of fish containing large highly mobile schools, which interact randomly and exchange individuals. .....guess you can see why the PHV can spread huh As for dogs and dolphins dropping dead...How long have these pillies been floating at sea, lying in the sun, etc...before a dog ate it off the beach  Dolphins could be the same...ate a dodgy pillie...or perhaps they werent eating a dodgy pillie, perhaps they knew not too and didnt eat at all, the weaker ones dying from starvation------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> www.charterconnection.co.nz Facebook: Diversity-Fishing |
Posted By: Hurf
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 8:29am
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I like the the rat bait theory as the timing is right and if those pellets hit the water they would look like the fish pellet burley before they sank and killed the shellfish as well. It would be quite easy to get the drop wrong from a plane or some wind to send this stuff into the sea or even a mechanical failure and an unreported drop into the gulf. Some woman from the government come out real quick and said it coudnt be posion even before any tests had started this is immediatly suspicious. ------------- THE FLOGGINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORAL IMPROVES. |
Posted By: Redfinger
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 8:40am
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Pretty strong poison if millions of litres of salt water can't dilute it.......
Damo is more on the money with this pillie virus that occurs every few years - perhaps in association with a toxic algal bloom?
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Posted By: Medic
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 9:08am
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Dog and fish deaths may have different causes - scientists
http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10588922&ref=rss - http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10588922&ref=rss ------------- “Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory there is no survival.” |
Posted By: Big H
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 9:17am
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Brodifacoum poison is extremely unlikely as its toxicity to aquatic life is at the low end of the scale. A quick read of the safety data sheet will confirm this. There was a major spill of Brodifacoum after a truck crashed near Kaikoura. The effects of the spill were monitered extrememly closely and while it was not fatal to local paua populations it did show up when Paua were tested for around three years.
So it is long lasting in the aquatic envoroment due to it's low solubility but not toxic enough travel through the food chain. Granted If a Pilly ate a bait or 3 it would possibly be fatal but a dolphin would need to eat countless dodgy pillys to become sick.
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Posted By: Uffy
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 9:32am
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A few thoughts:
Algal blooms are not normally associated with this time of year (maybe a mid-winter species?).
The pillie virus has occurred in the past but, to my knowledge, has not been associated with the deaths of any other species. If a virus kills its host will it also not perish? Surely if the affected dogs were eating dead stuff washed up the owners would have noticed. If a poison/toxin was released into the sea the dilution factor would be huge.
It will be interesting to see if any final conclusion is made on this issue.
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Posted By: Damo
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 9:54am
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lets have a wee wager eh...$5 in
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Posted By: Carbine
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 11:04am
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How does that explain all the dead pillies over orewa beach, red beach , stanmore, manly beach nowhere close to rangi. |
Posted By: sid fishus
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 11:12am
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Its a conspiracy!
First the pilchards, then the Nation!
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Posted By: Firey
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 12:34pm
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I agree Sid seems the all blacks have got some sort of poisoning going on too. Blame it on Susie.
I just went for a swim at an inner harbour beach and feel fine........media hype for sure!!!!
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Posted By: Medic
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 12:48pm
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I know I know it was the Goat....... are they not all near Goat Island???????
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Posted By: Cbro
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 1:26pm
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I ate a heap of mussels picked off some rocks and feel fine, hell if you ask me its a perfect time to go to the beach without any dogs around... Fishings great without so many boats, god I wish they use this one a few times during summer! |
Posted By: Nic ####
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 2:50pm
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dont really know too much but kayaked out too rangi lighthouse today for a look around and the choppers were dropping the rat pallets on rangi anyway they went over the water to turn around and the pallets were falling all around us onto the reef.. quite scary to be honest haha anyway 200metres off rangi i saw a couple legal sized snapper that were dead just floating around?? just all seems abit weird... ------------- The harder you train, the luckier you get! |
Posted By: kens
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 2:54pm
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You should have grabbed those snaps mate, I'm sure the beakerheads would have been pretty interested in them. ------------- The past, the present and the future walked into a bar. It was tense. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 3:26pm
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If the rat baits are being dropped into the sea in any number,s then hell yeah, that could be the problem, expecially if some reef fish or seabird ate and then karked it from them, washed up on a beach and a pooch went and ate it... then yeah, that could kill a dog.... although not immediately That story of yours Nic is pretty disturbing. Not at all surprising that some fish should be going belly up. |
Posted By: ambo364
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 4:05pm
| I would have thought the *****s would have just paused operations at least until some definitive test results were known. Thats just arrogance, whether its the cause of the problem or not. If more snaps are going belly up then I'm gonna start a sweatin and twitchin! Grrrrr! |
Posted By: Muzza78
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 4:28pm
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Had herpes once made the one eyed snake droop and as it's bigger than a pillie with more blood required I can see how a pillie would keel over from it LOL. ------------- The more I learn about women the more I love Fishing . Thus fishing is not a matter of life or death IT IS FAR MORE SERIOUS THAN THAT ! |
Posted By: Nic ####
Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 5:30pm
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yeah it didnt look too good ay.. there were a fair few pellets falling around us.. we were lucky not too get hit by them too haha. I find it strange that there are all these pellets going into the water and finding dead snapper in the area. too much of a coincidence for me ------------- The harder you train, the luckier you get! |
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Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 6:50pm
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Date Posted: 06 Aug 2009 at 6:59pm
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