Copper johns..
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Topic: Copper johns..
Posted By: P-A
Subject: Copper johns..
Date Posted: 15 May 2009 at 6:00am
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I have been fooling around with some macro shoots on flies. Found a version i really liked. Here is some copper johns that i have tied up for my next tripp down. Regards P-A Hook: Standard nymph hook 2x wire size 8-20 Bead: 4mm for size 8-10, 3mm for 12-14, 2mm for 16-18 and 1,5mm for size 20-22 Tail: Red brown Turkey biot pointing away from each other. Abdomen: Copper wire (Red, Chatreuse, Wine red, Green, yellow, etc etc...) Wing covers: Black tin plastic sheet topped with one strand of holografic flash Rubberlegs: Medium to thin barred with rubberlegs Thorax: Peacook hearl or ice dub in peacock Finnish the fly of with a dropp of 30 minute epoxy over the wing covers 
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Posted By: jmeyerc
Date Posted: 18 May 2009 at 11:11am
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Very nice P-A, I agree - this is a great tidy little version. Jeanne |
Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 19 May 2009 at 3:10am
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Those small red or blue ones was probably the nymph
that i caught most fish on down your way. Great flies that
also hold up good. Glad you liked.
Regards
P-A
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Posted By: jmeyerc
Date Posted: 19 May 2009 at 11:00am
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Yes P-A, the fly looks like it would be a great fish catcher, bright but nicely formed - what is the largest and the smallest you have tied? The recipe says from 8 - 20 I know, but on the bigger ones is the copper the same size or bigger? And is that a 2x short or a 2x long hook? Thanks P-A Jeanne |
Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 20 May 2009 at 8:12am
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Hi Jeanne
The largest i tie is on streamer hooks (2 x long and 2 x heavy) size 8-10 but those i tie
with a real thick copper wire and with a 4mm tungsten bead. The smallest i have tied
is on size 22 nymph hooks(2x strong and 2 x long if i can find them) with 1,5mm tungsten beads and Ultrawire in Blue or Black shades. The smallest ones are my favourites actually i have got fish up to 7 pounds
on those without the hook being warped or drawn out at all.' I hope this cleared it up some
for you.
Regards
P-A
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Posted By: jmeyerc
Date Posted: 20 May 2009 at 12:58pm
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Thanks P-A, I have been going through my copper wire and found some thicker stuff as well as the micro thin. Don't think I have the eyesight for a size 22 - but will give it a go if I can find the smaller sizes. Sounds like a stronger pair of hobby glasses is in store -- at the moment I am using a 4.00+ strength, I'll look in the craft store and see if they go any higher. Does it have to be a Tungsten bead? They are pretty expensive aren't they? I have seen them but have found the price for around 5 or so is getting into around the $10 - $12 dollar mark. Can the person who uses them just use a split shot maybe?? But if that's what is needed I'll just have to bite the bullet and pay for the beads. Jeanne |
Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 20 May 2009 at 6:27pm
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Hi Jeanne
Lead is almost as heavy as Tungsten but the pollution factor
makes me not use that at all these days. Try them on size 16 hooks
then 2 mm beads works fine, and if want add some extra lead thread
under the thorax before the dubbing then maybe brass beads will be enough.
Here 20 beads are around 10 bucks if you have some the connections so if you send me you adress i"ll send some to you Jeanne. But the small stuff is really hard to get
so i will send 2 mm and 3mm.
Regards
P-A
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Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 21 May 2009 at 8:40am
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Hi Jeanne
I have found something down your way that is really
wicked. You guys have the cheapest got damn tungsten
provider in the world down under!! Go in and check
Lionell Gavins company http://www.flysite.co.nz/index.pasp - http://www.flysite.co.nz/index.pasp
The prices are better than wholesale here in Sweden
and the freight is cheap to!!
Regards
P-A
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Posted By: jmeyerc
Date Posted: 21 May 2009 at 1:38pm
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Okay P-A will try there, thanks for letting me know about the site. Jeanne |
Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 21 May 2009 at 1:51pm
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Nice tie P-A. ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier 
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Posted By: kiwitroutbum
Date Posted: 21 May 2009 at 5:30pm
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really nice fly P-A!
Epoxy on top? |
Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 22 May 2009 at 6:37am
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Glad you boys liked it. It has epoxy on top of the thorax Simon but
i can get those rubberlegs any more here in Sweden so i am looking
like crazy to get some. Have you seen any lying around in Stus shop?
Regards
P-A
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Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 22 May 2009 at 6:39am
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I tied a green version also. Here its attached to a handcarved samish wooden kosa.   |
Posted By: Snuffit.
Date Posted: 22 May 2009 at 1:18pm
| Lime green's my favourite Copper John colour P-A. A nice tie. |
Posted By: jmeyerc
Date Posted: 22 May 2009 at 2:21pm
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P-A, I got an email that you had written a PM to me, but logging on to the website it was not there or the message you wrote to me on the board. What do I do to get it - do you know? my inbox says it's empty. Jeanne |
Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 22 May 2009 at 8:21pm
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I havent got a clue on how to get them Jeanne, but the main repsonse in my PM
is that i will send some stuff your way next weak.
Regards
P-A
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Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 22 May 2009 at 8:23pm
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Then i will tie up some more Nick. I hope we can meet
up down under but the other guys arent keen on going
to the NI.
 But maybe i"ll take a plane and go up onmy own.
Regards
P-A
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Posted By: lionel
Date Posted: 22 May 2009 at 8:30pm
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Hi P-A I have got those rubber legs you are looking for cheers & tight lines Lionel |
Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 23 May 2009 at 3:06am
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Great mate!! You will have an order in your box as soon as
my new Visa card comes. (Drunk and dropped it)
 Cheers
P-A
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Posted By: jmeyerc
Date Posted: 24 May 2009 at 2:08pm
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Thanks so very much P-A, if you ever need something and I have it I will send it to you. I was looking at some Copper John's last night that were tied with white coloured wire and also, green, blue, red and black wire ones as well as the copper. they were just so nicely tied, I think I have a new found respect for you guys who can tie them so neatly. The green you have tied, looks like chartruose almost fluroscent in nature. I looks just so darn nice! Jeanne |
Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 26 May 2009 at 7:07pm
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That warms an old flywarriors hart Jeanne but i just have to tell
you one thing and some times these flies become awfull when i tie
them. One has to be in a great mood to be able to tie these in
size 20-22 especially if you are a bit of perfectionist.
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