Coarse Fishing
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Forum Name: Coarse Fishing
Forum Description: Anything coarse here....
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Printed Date: 26 Jan 2026 at 2:45pm
Topic: Coarse Fishing
Posted By: Anguilla
Subject: Coarse Fishing
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 12:09pm
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Well firstly Hi to everyone out there in fishing land, hope you all had a great new year!!!
Long time watcher/reader short term member and only second time poster here....please be easy on me...
 Anyway thought I would try and start a discussion on coarse fishing which hopefully doesnt fall into the same old argument that I have read on here time and time again!!! (please)
My first love in Angling is Coarse Fishing but I do also dabble in every other form (now and again) but what I cant understand is the almost dismisal of this branch of the sport, its techniques and the sport which can be gained from the limited number of coarse species here in NZ. With the correct gear even the smallest fish can put up a challenge to the angler so why is it dismissed so much? In the more built up areas it can provide an opportunity to get out and wet a line in waters which otherwise would provide little other than somewhere to feed the ducks. So why then is it not given a fair go? I would also be interested to here from anyone else that at least has a dabble for some of the coarse fish species out there.
Again please refer to 3rd line of post above, can we have a reasonable discussion on the topic???
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Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 5:28pm
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I have no problem with people coarse fishing, its when they release Koi Carp (classed as a noxious pest) that gets under my skin. And also the fact that it is illegal to do so.
I personally cannot see it becoming as popular as places like the UK, and don't see the reason for it as NZ has so much else to offer. Hunting, Freshwater fishing, Saltwater fishing, spectacular diving/scenary, the list is endless.
You will get a better response on http://www.coarsefishing.co.nz - www.coarsefishing.co.nz with the many other muppets from the other side of the world.
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 8:34pm
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Thanks for the warm welcome (I think....)
Was hoping we might have got past post #2 before the same old topic reared its head my question was about coarse fishing nothing else...
I agree I doubt it will ever become vastly popular but do you not think it could possibly have its place in the high population areas which are not exactly rich in trout fishing opportunities?
But to be fair do you not think all these opportunities are available in most places the UK included???
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Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 8:53pm
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I think most people bite there tounge when the word coarsefishing comes on here, as its not really the place for it. Hence the no replys as of yet.
No I don't think it will catch on in NZ. Its like fishing for Kingfish, you come to NZ for the big fish, and if you want big carp you go to the UK. Simple as that really.
Yea all the opportunitys I mentioned are available in other parts of the world, but some of the quality of these can be found no where in the world except here. What I'm saying is stick to what you have instead of dont have.
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 9:02pm
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It can be a lot of fun heading to the waikato hydrolakes... namely karapiro actually, and fishing for the rudd there. There are masses of the little sods there, catch as many as you like mate, rip into them! I don't think anyone is going to nail you up for enjoying your coarse fishing, heck, fishing is fishing is fishing as far as I am concerned, it was just the tenor of some other posters to whom you not-so-obliquely refer that ruffled many feathers here. Hey, if you have yarns ot spin of places, techniques and captures around the countriside, I for one would be happy to read out them. Go for it mate, no worries at all. Mind you.... with the same light tackle you may use for rudd or whatever, wouldn't you rather hook into a school of kahawai instead? Now that WOULD test your tackle! :-) Cheers, and indeed, welcome to the site, feel free to post up as much as you like, as often as you like, about whatever you like, you shouldn't catch too much flak really mate, Stu. |
Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 9:21pm
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I think you might be surprised how much interest there is in coarse fishing around here. Unfortunately a few rat bags have given the thing a bad name with illegals fish releases and spreading of noxious fish... but your points are valid.
In fact it's common sense that no one here would have a problem with anyone fishing legally anywhere... it's what we do...
Post away. ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier 
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Posted By: Doubie
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 9:30pm
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Anguilla, there is definitely a course fishing prescence here, although to be fair it is practiced mainly by 'ex-pats' from the UK and the gear is often bought in from there as well. There is probably not the concentration of punters here to enable a larger scale business to be built up.
See what happens here on the site, but there will be some around that will have feedback and there is certainly a couple of groups at least in Auckland that take regular trips as Capt Asparagus says to the Waikato - there are actually a few smaller ponds that I have heard of closer to Auckland than Karapiro as well
 Good luck!
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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 9:54pm
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O.K. lets see if we can provide some possible answers to your queries.
Firstly can we ask for an honest answer to a question ........ namely ....
Do you belong, patronise or visit the http://www.coarsefishing.co.nz - www.coarsefishing.co.nz ?
If so, then you will find members here & most other fishing sites will be
very suspicious of your agenda & motivation.
Why ??????? ..... Because of the policies & illegal tactics the site
advocates, along with the stated intention of causing disruption to any
other sites that are in principle, opposed to their way of thinking.
There have been at least two attempts to do so on this site & they
are invariably initiated, by an innocent looking post such as yours,
then rapidly lead towards the intended main agenda.
If you are not part of that site & your post is genuine then good luck,
however I will be very surprised if there will be anyone on this site
interested in discussing coarse fishing with you. Therefore as Rusky
rightly states, why not patronise that site, where you are bound to
find endless like minded coarsefishers?
Why are so many NZ citizens opposed to coarse fish you ask ??????
Largely because they have no place here, they were imported then
illegally bred & distributed/released, initially by one individual in
particular. We can only hope that he & others that joined in, were
genuine in the belief that they were providing an alternative form of
freshwater sportsfishing even if ignorant of the disastrous legacy they
were inflicting on our waterways. It is far too high a long term
environmental price to pay for the sake of the very questionable value
of an additional form of "sport"
The fact that VERY few NZ ers are involved in coarse fishing has to be
an indication of how lowly it is valued. I think you would agree, that it
would be fair comment to say most of those involved are from a similar
background i.e. from a country where coarse fishing has existed for
centuries. That is fine, but we NEVER wanted them here in the first
place & would now love to get rid of them by whatever means possible.
As a coarsefisher, if you are honest then almost certainly you will know
of incidents where coarse fish are still being illegally introduced into
new localities, or species that by law must be killed, being released.
O.K. whether we like it or not, the damage has been done & these
noxious pests are now widespread in our waterways. Unfortunately we
cannot turn back the clock, so if you want to go catch & kill as many as
possible, then do so with our blessing.
However if you subscribe to releasing or further introducing noxious
species .... then you are IMO deserving of contempt from all the law
abiding citizens of this country & in particular freshwater sportfishers.
If you are a responsible coarsefisher, then the comments stated above
are not applicable so apologies are in order .... however if you are NOT
...... then they are nowhere near harse enough.
You did after all ask for honest answers to your queries & trust you have
received some.
I am sure I can speak for most of the members here in stating, that like
yourself we are not the slightest bit interested in pursuing the same old
tired arguments over & over again.
Cheers
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Posted By: Doubie
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 10:01pm
Well Bazza, I learned something from that very 'passionate' and obviously learned opinion on coarse fishing. Thanks for the bit of knowledge
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Posted By: sputnik
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 11:00pm
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"Passionate" it may have been but it was very short on facts! Both Tench and Perch were brought here in the 1860's/70's ... the same time as trout! and they were not introduced "illegally"!
http://www.niwa.cri.nz/rc/freshwater/fishatlas/species/tench - http://www.niwa.cri.nz/rc/freshwater/fishatlas/species/tench
http://www.niwa.cri.nz/rc/freshwater/fishatlas/species/perch - http://www.niwa.cri.nz/rc/freshwater/fishatlas/species/perch
Edit:
Forgot goldfish too.
http://www.niwa.cri.nz/rc/freshwater/fishatlas/species/goldfish - http://www.niwa.cri.nz/rc/freshwater/fishatlas/species/goldfish
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Posted By: Doubie
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 11:07pm
| Thanks Sputnik - guess I learned something else today as well. They seem to have been round for a while as well. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2009 at 11:12pm
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That's true Bazza, both salmon and trout can also be considered illegal non-native species. Forest and Bird actually had a policy a few years ago in the height of their eco-nazi days that they wanted all trout streams poisoned to get rid of this infestation. Anguilla (Eel?).., if you are just keen on yarning about coarse fishing, you just post yer little heart out, I for one would be interested, although perhaps not likely to be sufficiently motivated to do it myself! :-) Bazza, give the guy a break... and if Anguilla is part of some deeper conspiracy, then I guess sooner or later we will find out...til then, make nice, OK? :-) Cheers, Stu the moderator-who-will-jump-on-anything-heated-or-snarky-that-develops-in-this-thread. (golly, what a long name.) |
Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 9:30am
Fair enough Captain, however I for one would like an answer to the
question of if they are in anyway connected to the coarse fishing site.
The reason being as stated, that the M/O in the past has been to
"infiltrate" sites with a seemingly innocent post, which develops into a
sudden "induction" of new new "protaganists" to push their agenda.
Would suggest that anyone that doubts such an agenda exists, that
they visit the site in question themselves. It is highly probable that
posts, many by the site administrator, actively promoting the illegal
release of koi etc. along with goading comments about how ineffectice
DOC & others are to prevent them from doing so. They also state how
successful they are at being deliberately disruptive to other sites that
do not share their viewpoint. I would not be at all surprised if in the
interim such posts have been removed, if sothen will have to rely on
the word of those of us that read them.
The last time they attempted to do so, the thread was closed down,
presumably for this very reason. On this occassion the ruse to establish
or initiate the "debate" was a query as to access to an area of Lake
Karapiro by Simon Behere who is the site administrator & possibly the
owner of the coarsefishing site. So surely we have to ask ourselves,
just how genuine was such a post by a person actively promoting
coarsefishing (including illegal tactics) that lives locally in Hamilton.
It was anticipated that after the closing of the thread a further attempt
would be made & hopefully this is not the beginning of one.
Many of the others that suddenly jump on the bandwagon in support
do so under different usernames & one person at least changed their
username three times on that thread alone ..... Why the need for such
apparent subterfuge????
I agree totally Captain that anyone that is genuine ( hopefully Anguilla is)
should be free to post on this site as much as anybody & whilst I do not
consider myself paranoid regards the possibility of a hidden agenda, given
historic events so would prefer to err on the side of caution from the start.
Therefore would feel far more comfortable if the question was answered
...... Do you have any connection with the coarsefishing.nz site & what is
your attitude towards the illegal release of koi carp etc. ?
My thoughts anyway & if Anguilla or anyone for that matter can give
assurance they are not here to in anyway promote illegal tactics or
disruption to this site, then they should be made to feel most welcome.
If such proves to be the case I will offer full apologies for having held
unfounded suspicions.
Cheers
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Capt Asparagus wrote:Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 9:35am
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Well at least I logged on this morning and had a response....
A few points in reply
Yes of course I understand the "anti" feeling against the coarse fishing fraternity in general, but as Bazza said what has been done has been done....
And as rightly pointed out the coarse fish (lets keep this to the recognised sports fish) have been here just as long if not longer than the others (trout and salmon)
My point is and I can understand the anti feeling by reading other posts is why not use what is here? Yes Coarse fishing is seen by some as "mud fishing" and a pursuit of small fish but with the right tackle then some will put up a fight to be proud of.
I dont want to see fish spread/released/ etc I want to hopefully discuss without random remarks re the past and pests and all the usual posts which have been done time and time again...
My real point is that for some the scenic fishing we all dream of and are fortunate enough to have access to is not readily available to others, ie they cant travel too far, are too young to afford it, struggle climbing to outback virgin streams. But Im sure would enjoy fishing as much as we all do if given the opportunity. I am in Auckland and I know of several waters which could hardly be described as perfect trout venues but could, with the right management offer a fishing resource which would be of great benefit to the population around them. and at the end of the day if its your personal cu of tea or not isnt that what its all about? Getting people "hooked"???
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Posted By: Barbary B
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 9:46am
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Before you start pointing the bone Sputnik I think if you re-read Bazza's post - you will find it says they "were imported then illegally bred & distributed/released". - it doesnt say at all that they were illegally imported.
Granted its ambiguous but be very careful of your own facts right before making calls like that.
Personally - the illegal releases in Otatoa were a travesty where a couple of short sighted and selfish people f*cked up a resource that was used by a much larger group of people. The resentment runs very deep and I wont go there at all now as last time I did it took all my self control not to throw three coarse fishing immigrants and their gear far into the lake.
There vented my spleen - have a good time coarse fishing. ------------- "Look ahead, look astern, look to weather, look to lea Look down along the coast of High Barbary..." |
Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 9:47am
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Bazza to answer your question. I am a reader of that site but not a member, it has provided me with good information about the fishing I enjoy and as such I do use it for my own gain but that is all. I have been in NZ for over 23 years and consider myself a kiwi (well almost) I do still have the occasional pang for home but Im sure I would be sorely dissapointed if I did ever venture back to my homeland... I do not promote the spread or relase of any fish, whatever its classification into any waterway, why would you? There is limitless amounts of waters/banks/venues etc etc available.
My view on the whole fish spreading thing - I am not privvy to any knowledge about who spread these fish originally but yes I agree Im sure a lot of it was deliberate, and was probably (hopefully) done in the belief it would give fishing opportunities not with any intent to affect what was already there, but now in the present, I believe it will never stop, Im not sure it is still done to any extent by people (anglers) but it has now reached such a mass of fish that the spread will continue as far as naturally possible, every flood will see fish move from one water to another. Every new drain dug will provide another avenue for fish movements etc etc
To those who say "I cannot dispatch a fish because my morals do not allow it" then I say "dont go fishing then, or fish for something that you can return unharmed"
I hope the above is answer enough.....
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 9:52am
A valid point yes of course some waters have been totally taken over by introduced fish be they trout, tench perch rudd etc etc but the people fishing today have no doubt very little to do with how those fish got there and may well not even remember the fishery as you do...but we do need to accept that it will probably now remain like that as long as we are all capable of holding a rod,
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 10:19am
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Good on the guys for answering, but Bazza, why not just let it lie. There's a moderator in here who is obviously watching and interested... if they start crap they'll be gone in a heartbeat. no point looking for a fight where there isn't one... because usually if you look for trouble you'll find it. As for tench and Rudd, yes they were imported legally... they were distributed illegally principally in the 1970's and '80's... by coarse fishermen.
Trout do not fall into the same category... they generate tens of millions of dollars in tourist revenue every year and many coarse fish situations are actually costing the taxpayer. Trout have been part of the New2 Zealand Outdoor tradition now for well over 100 years and have not displaced or destroyed any other fishery to exist. It's not about elitist... You shouldn't care if someone thinks you are mudfishing... many saltwater guys don't "get" what trout fishing is about and I don't give a $hit about and neither should you. However when you state there are countless options for coarse fishing remember the reason for that is illegal releases. The only reason you don't have to release illegally is because someone else did. And there were more trout fisheries in the Upper part of the North island before those releases than there is now... because of those releases. Some of the coarse fishermen have been very frugal with the facts on this or completely ignorant of them.
It is about fisheries and waterways being ruined and the illegal activities of many participants. But iof someone enjoys it and practises it all legally as far as I'm concerned... more power to them.
personally I have abit of a desire for a Carp on fly... and I can always use more burley. ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 10:27am
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Thanks Clark
Carp on a fly, can you tie something to imitate a dog biscuit or a piece of bread crust? Would that still technically be a fly???
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 10:29am
Sorry Stu, no they can't...
 ! Trout and salmon (and Perch, Tench and Rudd for that matter) were imported and released with government encouragement, funding and blessing, by Acclimaisation societies. However the distribution of such has always been illegal without permits from the Acclimatisation societies and today DOC and Fish and Game. Still illegal to release, or distribute trout or salmon without permission. But the introduction of many coarse species since those days has been illegal and the distribution most definately has. Perch are a pretty good fly and spionner target too.Anyway enough of that because this is the direction these threads go when they end in tears .------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 10:36am
Yep, it's done in the UK a lot....
How it's classified is up to the individual... to some it is, to some it isn't and so long as its legal I'm pretty comfortable with each to their own. ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 11:19am
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Ok well Ive never done it but for what its worth....
I would say it would be very hard on a moving water (river) but on a still water it would be a lot easier, get your self some chunks of crust and floating dog biscuits and tie something to imitate these in the water, you could even just superglue a couple of the biscuits direct to the hook, they must be on the back of the hook so the bend is under them (same a s a dry fly) can look a bit more natural if you file a groove in the biscuit for the shank of the hook to fit it....
Now stand on a bank with the wind behind you, introduce the freebies (biscuits and crust) the carp should if in a feeding mood start sucking em down (we call it glooping cos of the sound it makes gloop gloop gloop) Wait until they are taking the freebies confidently then introduce your "fly" best time would be dusk as the line may well spook em, try a flouro leader to make your chance higher....
Hope that helps
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Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 12:17pm
actually they use proper fly's to catch them as you will see if you read the following http://www.fieldandstream.com/article_gallery/Slide-Show-A-Beginners-Guide-to-Carp-Fishing-With-a-Fly-Rod - article |
Posted By: sputnik
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 12:29pm
According to NIWA, Rudd were introduced illegally in 1967.
http://www.niwa.cri.nz/rc/freshwater/fishatlas/species/rudd - http://www.niwa.cri.nz/rc/freshwater/fishatlas/species/rudd
They are however classed as a sports fish in the Auckland/Waikato region.
Tips for catching coarse fish on the fly ... http://www.fishing.co.uk/article.php3?id=184 - http://www.fishing.co.uk/article.php3?id=184
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 1:49pm
"Actually" they use both methods... including pellet food and pellet fly imiatations like this one....
 I have a dog biscit fly somewhere that was actually tied as a joke...
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Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 2:42pm
| thanks for clearing that up Clark! i really must take up fly fishing one day! it looks like a really fun way to catch carp. As for the fly's mostly they do use "natural" fly's except for things like mulberry imitations for still waters where carp feed on the berry's as they fall off the tree into the water... i have seen tv programs where they use imitation dog biscuits but that was mainly uk based ones where they are used to eating them as a surface bait. |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 3:42pm
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Ah, I stand corrected Clark! :-) I know it is easy to catch trout on a white, square fly tied of just white chenille, used judiciously after spending half an hour or so of burleying up with a loaf of bread in a river mouth!!! hehehehe.... not that I am suggesting such a course of action, nor admitting to such a foul and devious plot.... but it IS exactly the sort of thing an odious teenager.... such as, for instance, myself,... might do a few times for fun. I would be highly indignant should someone actually commit such a heinous crime nowadays though! :-) And yes, a mod is indeed watching this thread closely. cheers mate, Stu. |
Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 3:56pm
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Clark, if you are spotted out on the bank with that on the end can we start calling you a coarse angler????
Stu - I hope it doesnt turn into anything requiring your"action" as I keep saying its not what I want, or Im sure most others want....but there are always a few
So apart from Clark and his dodgy looking "flies" has anyone else tried their luck with the "other" sports fish? Namely Tench and Perch........?
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Posted By: tmmo
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 4:13pm
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No never tried it, definately always been on the to do list tho (as with alot of things),
My only experience of course fishing happened a few years ago, i was out walking the labrador, and she disappeared down a bank, i followed, and found her scoffing up an ice cream container full of corn, i managed to grab her about 3/4 of the way through the corn, at which stage she choked and it all came back out, the anglers expression was priceless!
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 4:31pm
So would that of been a "dog fish" sorry couldnt resist it
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Posted By: tmmo
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 4:37pm
If there ever was a type of fishing, where the fish were as hungry as a labrador you would have to change the name to catching, it would just be too easy!
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Posted By: ThomasW
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 5:36pm
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I have always wanted to try coarse fishing but apart from having a look at little river while a student in cantubury I have made no effort to catch any (Unless Brook char are consiered coarse?). If there was course fishing locally I would have given it a go by now.
I am also a member of the website which Bazza kept on mentioning 
There is a correlation between the introduction of trout and the demise of the Grayling. In claiming that, It appears likely that trout were only one factor of several which resulted in their extinction. |
Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 5:42pm
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So which one are you Milli?
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 6:05pm
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As the grayling was already endangered when the white man arrived it is still accurate to say that no fishery was displaced by trout. Even if they had thrived it is also likely to not been much of a fishery.
For those who wonder why coarse fishing is not more popular here it doesn't take much of a look at the history of the sport for it to become blaringly obvious.
Coarse fishing really only established because in the UK the landed gentry had the ownership of the trout and Salmon all tied up and the "average bloke" couldn't even think about catching trout or Salmon without poaching. All they had was the crap the gentry didn't want in the ponds and canals.
When NZ formed the sportsfishing and hunting scene was established in absolute revolution against such a fuedel system and the trout and Salmon were there for all to enjoy... this left little reason to fish for the crap fish
.However, it became a sport in itself and people love it and do it but it will never take off in NZ where access to world class sports fishing is available to all. ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 6:08pm
That'll work in the Utahina mate or other Rotorua streams near the mouths but none too effective of back country trout in clear water... You wouldn't be the only teenager to have done that either ...------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 6:13pm
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Oh yeah... the other reaons.....
You don't catch coarse fish in places like this....
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Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 7:24pm
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Thats what im talking about Clark!
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Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 7:29pm
| I don't think anyone who goes coarse fishing thinks that trout or salmon fishing is a waste of time and it is awesome getting into those isolated back country locations with magnificent scenery etc! but why just be so biased towards one section of the sport? i like all types of fishing and would give them all a go.... sure im not super keen on trout fishing but its still fishing and the same goes for coarse fishing! plus its brilliant for kids as the small species like rudd and perch are really abundant and easy for them to catch. I would have been right into that when i was young if id known they existed. I fished a lot from warf's when i was a kid but i would have caught heaps more fish if id given a lake a go which was full of rudd and perch. |
Posted By: ThomasW
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 7:36pm
Can not remember my username, it was a while ago I signed up . 
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 7:56pm
If I was limited to that i wouldn't be doing saltwater fly, or softbaiting, or deepwater fishing or jigging....
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Posted By: ThomasW
Date Posted: 06 Jan 2009 at 7:58pm
All the sources I have read claimed that they were abundant until around 1870's, so there was 40 years of colonization before they started their decline. There are theories that they were over-exploted by early settlers or that widespread logging and bush destruction destroyed their habitat but I can not see them being a factor for many of the remote river systems. Others claim a disease wiped them out but it is rare for all members of a population to be vulnerable to such a infection. They had to put up with kahawai at the river mouths and in the sea so they should not be easy prey for the trout. Actually I can not prove one way or the other, the cause of their extinction would always be a mystery and any discussion would always run into a deadend. |
Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 8:32am
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Thanks Anquilla .......
For answering all the questions put to you in a
totally fair & reasonable manner.
Obviously you are a responsible fisher prepared
to abide by the regulations.
It is unfortunate reality, that many fellow coarse
fishers do not share your code of ethics.
Hopefully you will accept the reason for coming
down rather hard was not in anyway personal or
in order to "pick a fight", quite the opposite in fact
in light of past experiences.
Cheers
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Posted By: upstream
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 8:42am
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Nothing wrong witha bit of coarse fishing. I've taken my 6 year old fishing to Lake Ngaroto a few times. The rudd and catfish are easy to catch and keep the boy amused. However, I was alarmed to see another angler catch a bunch of rudd, put them into a water-filled drum in the back of his ute and drive off!
I'd love to catch a tench, I've heard that they are very strong fighters.
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 9:28am
Tench are probably one of the hardest fighters in freshwater just look at a picture of them their tail root is massive and have such a big paddle on the back...unfortunately most of the waters that I know of that hold tench also hold a large ever increasing number of carp which bully their way onto any bait you put in, you know the tincas are there but just catch carp...see we dont all like carp all the time
The biggest problem I see time and time again are some of our Asian cousins who seem to move live fish all the time, now Im sure they are for the pot, but none the less live fish in buckets is asking for a disaster! I often talk to them on the bank and have reasonable converstaions but once you question the movement of live fish all of a sudden they loose their english ability.....
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 9:34am
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Mosxt of the folks I know of that have moved fish around and promoted coarse fishing had a remarkable ability with the ENGLISH language! ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 9:49am
| Yeah accepted, but hopefully that is on a real decline!!!! But lets be fair there have been a few spotty fish moved under the cover of darkness..... |
Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 10:37am
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Really? I'm not aware of it. In fact I've never heard of anyone having a need to move a trout anywhere.
But the main point would be, to be fair, trout are not on the noxious fish list. ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: sputnik
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 10:49am
All of the ones I've seen moving live fish(rudd) around spoke excellent English ... they were like the one upstream mentioned and were Kiwi's born & bred!
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 10:53am
No quite correct! Lets not get off track
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Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 2:07pm
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Coarse fishing: its an alternative for people who cant catch trout and love the muddy waters.
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 3:44pm
thats quite amusing, as someone who is quite adept to all branches of our sport I would say that coarse fishing offers the highest variety of methods and technical challenges as far as angling skill goes....but thats just me.
Of course for those that have never tried it or think its a case of just sitting behind a rod on a summers day watching a cork bob around, then they will have very narrow views regarding its qualities, but I think you will find that most developments in freshwater tackle are down to good old coarse angling with specimen hunting and match fishing around the globe continually pushing the boundaries of what is available and pushing the manufactirers to go further and further with technology, which in turn spills down to the game tackle in ways such as line advances, rod materials, reel technology.....
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 3:51pm
| The grayling thing.... I have seen photos of huges nets full of grayling that were scooped up to use for fertiliser (for pete's sake!), it seems they were largely netted to extinction, combined with the removal of huge amounts of their native habitat. However, it is a surprise that not ewven a few of them survived somewhere, I don't think they had that big a range of river systems did they? Certainly there are not trout in all the river systems, even today.... ?? |
Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 3:52pm
I really don't get why people have that kind of attitude!? its that holier than thou trout are the kings of fresh water attitude that i just don't get.... its all fishing after all and different types of fishing offer different challenges. Also i really don't see what the water colour of the lake or river you are fishing has to do with the scenery and beuty of the place! I think lake Ngaroto is a very beutiful and tranquil spot and water colour has nothing to do with that. going by your logic this photo below is of a ****hole....  |
Posted By: upstream
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 4:03pm
That's not a constructive coment Kenshin. Use of a
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 4:08pm
| Anyway talking of trout, where do i stand when out coarse fishing on the Waikato for Perch with worm troting down the inside track, plenty of big stripeys to be had, if I catch a spotty fish? Is it legal to take a trout when coarse fishing? Or should I say when using coarse fishing methods and a bait? Plus Im using loosefeed (burley) to attract the perch into my swim, mainly chopped up worms....??? |
Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 7:42pm
Well it looks like a nice duckshooting spot but doesn't lok like a nice fishing spot to me...
The atttiude comes from nearly everybody in the world that has an alternative taking that option...
We have to remember that no matter how much a small group of people like the sport it evolved and remains popular pretty muchonly in areas where there are very little other options. ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 7:47pm
You could keep it if it was in a legal bait fishing area and you held a Fish and game license valid for that area. If no to those other two things then you'd be in the crap regardless of catching a trout or not. Burleying? Illegal for acclimatised gamefish... including perch. ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 7:54pm
You see this is where these threads break down... when somoeone starts to make up a bunch of unadulterated rubbish because it embellishes their take on things.
That's just pure garbage buddy... and you knew it when you typed it. The unarguable facts are that coarse fishing has been popularised and fish moved in the large part (The vast majority part to a point that virtually lacks exception I will add) by people who missed the pursuit from their home country. ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: sputnik
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 8:31pm
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Go to lake Ngaroto and watch them for yourself. The only people taking away buckets full of live rudd are Kiwi's!
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Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 8:57pm
| what the hell are you talking about? ive never seen anyone taking live fish away from ngaroto! i have seen plenty of Asian people taking them live in chilli bins at the whangamarino though.. they even opened it up to show me they were so proud! |
Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 9:09pm
| The best thing you could have done Simon is drop some rotenone in their bin and then smile back at them. |
Posted By: sputnik
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 10:00pm
If you have not seen them then I suggest that you try visiting on a Friday afternoon/evening ... I assume that they were taking them to use as livebait for the weekends fishing out at Raglan or Kawhia but who knows? I can also assure you that on every occasion they were kiwi's. I can't recall seeing any Asians fishing at Ngaroto.
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 07 Jan 2009 at 11:58pm
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http://www.visionflyfishing.co.uk/carp-on-fly.html - http://www.visionflyfishing.co.uk/carp-on-fly.html ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: tmmo
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 12:20am
| Cheers Clark, that is awsome, looks like fun! |
Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 7:18am
ok fair enough although i have been out there for a few Fridays and haven't seen them doing it.... i have seen some Romanians out there catching carp to eat though. |
Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 8:20am
that does look like a lot of fun alright! although like i say in the states they do use natural wet flies to get them as well. |
Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 8:31am
here are some more pics from Ngaroto... surely nobody can argue that these are beautiful shots! I'm from Te Kuiti and we used go trout fishing as kids in the Mangaokewa reserve and i fully understand the beauty of the bush and a nice clear stream but i appreciate this kind of place aswell... although its different its still nice to be there when its like that.   |
Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 8:50am
Clark have this from the regs.....
“Bait” means:
“Bait assembly” means either a hook rigged with a number of baits, or a single bait rigged with a number of hooks. “Bait fishing” means to fish for sports fish with bait. “Boat” means any manned flotation device. “Coarse fish” means perch, tench ( all New Zealand) and rudd “Coarse fishing waters” means named locations where anglers can fish for coarse fish:
So again now Im really confused it does say that perch are a "coarse" fish so according to last 3 lines I can use any bait and any type of "preperation" (Burley) to attract them..So I am in a "legal" spot and hold a licence Im merrily fishing away "coarse fishing style" but I land a nice pan sized spotty.....what do I have to do with it??? Can I keep it or must I return it? Im guessing the latter but have never been 100% sure on this one.... Anyone else got any ideas????????
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 8:59am
OK hopefully we arent getting too far off track but regarding this I do have a question as I have just been reading my licence booklet....
What exactly are they doing wrong if taking away live Rudd? Yes accepted if you follow them and they are putting them in a different water then obviously they are tossers but lets say they are taking them home for tucker? Even for the pigs is it wrong to move them live ie keeping them fresh (and lets remember we are talking Rudd a legal sports fish with no bag limit....)? I assume it is wrong as most would, but cant find any reference to it in the regs????
What am I missing here?
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Posted By: Barbary B
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 9:52am
I can make the Mangere sewerage ponds look like this if I want to. If you look straight down into that lake - its a sh*thole.
I wouldnt fish in anything I wouldnt swim in.
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Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 10:10am
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well its your loss then! some peoples stupid attitudes really do surprise me! and their un-willingness to try or consider anything new |
Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 10:57am
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Come on guys! Each to their own!!!
Lets not let this thread slip into the usual debacle....please
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Posted By: upstream
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 11:58am
Good question Anguilla. I can find no reference to it in F&G regulations. I have a good idea that it is contained within the Conservation Act, but I don't know for certain.
An email to Fish and Game should provide the answer,
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Posted By: Manic
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 1:20pm
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A combination of my dislexia and the fact that there are 72 posts on this topic mean that I have read the first post ignored the rest and am chipping in totally out of synch here. Anyway, I think course fishing totally has its place here in NZ. The fish are here to stay and the fishing is just as technical and demanding as any other type of fishing (I will add it is no where near as cool as fly fishing). I actually started of course fishing before I took to trout, it was an important phase between catching mosquito fish in a butterfly net and learning to fly fish. As far as I'm concerned the more people course fishing the better. There is so much water that stuck up fly fishermen (like myself) would never bother to fish. In summary. Go fishing, make sure you get as many kids into it as possible so they don't sit in front of computers all day (says the guy writing posts on the internet rather than fishing on a nice day). And lastly if you're going to put magots in your mouth to keep them warm then take some advice from the porn stars and remember not to swallow. ------------- Rene Vaz - Manic Tackle Project http://www.manictackleproject.com - www.manictackleproject.com mailto:[email protected] - [email protected] |
Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 2:23pm
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Cheers manic, great reply and to be honest I dont think it would have changed even if you read the whole thing. Couldnt agree more re the kids, they are after all the next generation to keep all the fishing tackle guys in business, and if you get em hooked by dabbling in whats on their doorsteps they might just take up the chase of the odd trout as they get older....
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Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 4:00pm
i would have been right into it if id known they existed when i was a kid! although i dont think we have any coarse fish in the King Country. |
Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 9:51pm
isn't this the freshwater fishing section? and as far as i can tell the lakes and rivers around the Auckland/waikato region are freshwater! just because you don't like it doesn't mean that people cant talk about it.... |
Posted By: shamus30609
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 10:18pm
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Just want to say I have been watching in and reading some other posts on this site and the info is brilliant!! I have been catching many good eating fish with the help of some of your members posts.
Keep up the great work fishing.net.nz :-)
Sorry to come on blabbing about these coarse fishermen.
EDIT NOTE:- this is the end of the postings about the coarsefishing site and so on. I am removing any other references to it now to keep the thread on track. Not a shot at you Shamus, just a little bit of housekeeping.
regards,
Stu.
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Posted By: tmmo
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2009 at 11:16pm
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I think this particular thread has been run quite well, obviously this is a subject where the are differing oppinions, but for me personally I have been quite interested in some of the material that I have learnt reading it (Cheers Clark for the video link etc.) I don't think that there has been many negative feelings, Coarse Fishing is another type of fishing, and as long as it is practised legally then most people don't have a problem about it.
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 12:35am
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There's no need for anything to go down the tube and there is right on all sides in many instances.
Of coarse (pardon the pun) there's a place for coarse fishing... there's no getting rid of the fish now, they're here, people can get enjoyment from them and should.
As Manic said, a great way to get kids interested in fishing. And also a handy thing to do if you want a handy fish and don't l;ive near more appealing water.
These things break down when people start dealing with the illegal actiovties of a small number of people. So long as that stays out of the topic there is no reason for it to go down the tubes.
Unfortunately in the past some folks have made illegal activties their agenda. So long as they keep that out of it and stick to the sporting aspects and the law there should be no issue with coarse fishing as a legitmate angling pursuit. ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 9:42am
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OK boys and girls, this thread is heading the way I hoped it would not. Now, to keep the thread going, I am going to hide a whole bunch of the recent posts re coarse fishermen/othersites etc...it is not pleasant reading, and spoils what was a moderately civilised discussion. Now I should be sending PMs to all those whose posts I have hidden, but at the moment I am at my beach house, and I only have dial-up here, and don't want to spend the next 2 hours doing so, soooo... if you posted something on this thread and it has disappeared, then I have hidden it. It may not have been a bad post, so please do not take umbrage, but it may have been a perfectly reasonable and measured response to a developing theme on the thread which I think is needlessly confrontational, so I will have removed it to keep the thread on-topic.
So guys, if I have hidden somethnig, don't take it amiss, it may not have been aimed at you personally, but I am going to keep this, and any other coarse fishing thread, on topic and away from the shouting matches we have seen before, OK?
There is nothing wrong with coarse fishing. Let's talk about the fishing part eh, and if you really want ot discuss the ethics of coarse fishermen etc etc etc, start a totally different thread about that OK? And I will watch that one too.
OK, I will now go hide some posts,
cheers all, Anguilla, I like your thread and the questions you are raising, keep it up,
regards, Stu.
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 10:40am
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Stu firstly many thanks, for your actions I was about to give up
And I would be only too happy to discuss the fishing side and only the fishing side.
So going back a few posts (or maybe not now) Anyone got any thoughts on where I stand re the trout caught on coarse methods?
How many of the clubs out there have fish ins for the juniors? I can honestly say with the abundance of coarse fish you can get even the most avid playstation freak out catching a few with the simplest of gear, and if they develop into avid coarse anglers thats cool or if they move on to dry flies and the art of wading a small stream then thats great too!!!! But at the end of the day its about getting out next to some water, catching a few fish and ENJOYING yourself!
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Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 10:46am
| they used to have one at hakanoa and even had MacDonald's sponsoring it but once the council found out about the carp issue they refused to grand consent to hold the event there and so it died... it was pretty popular to with heaps of kids taking part in it. |
Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 10:59am
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Thats a real shame, surely with the correct set up the carp issue could be dealt with even have officila carp disposal sites at the venue?? Perhaps the local authorities could have a stall and do a bit of education around the whole issue at the same time...killing two or 3 birds with one stone...
1 - Get some kids out fishing
2 - Get rid of some of the noxious fish
3 - Educate those present re the rules and regs concerning freshwater fishing
4 - Have a good time!!!
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Posted By: Kenshin
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 11:05am
Best post so far in this thread.. ------------- Be patient and calm – for no one can catch fish in anger. –Herbert Hoover |
Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 11:13am
maybe they could have done that but the clubs didn't want to kill the carp and so stopped doing it.... although it was never offered to them as an option and DOC didn't even get involved!? you would have thought they would be right there offering to kill them all for them. |
Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 11:34am
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I really cant understand why nobody wants to kill carp...there are so many of the bloody things what harm can it do (to the fishing) To me it just doesnt make sense surely nobody wants to catch loads of stunted carp so why not do the right thing and put em on the roses? And surely for the avid carp lovers this will over time improve the chances of catching larger fish????
had to laugh last year I had one of my cousins over for a visit and I took him out on the Waikato, he is a keen Koi "fancier" in Germany and was almost in tears when we were putting them out of their misery....he reckoned some of em would fetch a small fortune back home....and we cant get rid of the damm things....
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Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 11:40am
you are right it wont make bugger all difference to the fishing just like the bow hunting competition and i guess people don't want to kill something that they spend a lot of time and effort trying to catch even though its against the law. As for the value of them well there was a guy wanting to export them but DOC got all silly about it and said that they could be breeding in his holding ponds and that a plane could crash into the ponds splattering fry into the creek! im not kidding about that either! there is a video on the one news site where the DOC guy actually says that. |
Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 11:48am
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Thats is pretty funny!!!
But I can understand the viewpoint of DoC as soon as you put a value on something then it is only a matter of time before people do things that are lets say, "less than honourable...."
Surely the people putting in all the time and effort to catch them want to catch larger fish? so why not do the right thing for the waterways and possibly help themselves increase the size of their catches? Surely nobody enjoys catching small fish all the time so why not get rid of em?
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Posted By: Manic
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 12:34pm
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Getting rid of carp is like getting rid or didymo. It's here to stay, lets just make sure it doesn't spread. My thoughts are maybe the course fishing sector could do with some assistance. Fly fishing is a real pain in the bum to get youngsters into. I think miles Rushmer brought up the topic of fish out ponds for fly fishing, which everyone got annoyed about. So maybe the key is to develop course fishing more and more. There are plenty of trout in the waikato hydro lake system, but whenever I go there I catch far more rudd than I do trout. So instead of me getting annoyed at a crap day trout fishing, this would be a great place for someone to enjoy a day purposefully targeting course fish. And I, I guess will just need to get over myself and let someone else have some fun. As for course fishermen being of a lower class than fly fishermen. There wouldn't be a sport in the world that exist's without a few idiots giving it a bad name from time to time. ------------- Rene Vaz - Manic Tackle Project http://www.manictackleproject.com - www.manictackleproject.com mailto:[email protected] - [email protected] |
Posted By: GrizzlyKiwi
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 1:00pm
and this is what DOC are trying to archive... i think they realise that Carp are here to stay and the only thing they can do is try to stop their spread. I am all for this and it makes sense to just have one area so if people want to come and fish for Carp they need to come to the Waikato. Although when they were fist discovered in the wild a recreational fishery was never invisioned. The not releasing a live fish to the water was really created for the authorities to be able to prosecute someone trying to spread them to other areas outside the containment area and not to punish people fishing for them inside the containment area, as they never thought people would go fishing for them. As for the coarse fishermens reputation amoungst other anglers well its the old case of a few people spoiled it for the rest of us by illegally spreading fish. Now its just widely accepted that coarse fishermen move fish around all the time and are "eco-terrorists" which is just silly! The one individual who was responsible for a lot of it is now dead and i haven't heard of anyone else doing it apart from bird life. |
Posted By: tmmo
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 7:37pm
| So on the subject of Coarse Fishing, if one wanted to learn where would be some likely places within the Auckland area be? |
Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 11:16pm
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I am getting awfully tired of this constant bickering & negativity. shamus, give us a break mate & rest your case. Thanks....
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2009 at 11:55pm
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...and so, back to the thread of this discussion.... how do we encourage kids to get fishing, while satisfying the needs of pest control etc for coarse fish species?.... thoughts anyone?
Stu.
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Posted By: Doubie
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2009 at 12:15am
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Me too Uncle.
Righto Captain A. My thoughts:
1. Post decent signs showing what cannot go back at course fishing lakes/ponds/rivers where fishing is likely to be undertaken.
2. Kids like fishing anyway and we are not a traditionalist course fishing country so why not kill pests? When I was a kid you could not keep me away from the creek and catching eels
.There are plenty of others not pests that can be caught and released. Slight change in mindset only needed for those 'purists'.3. Someone mentioned some sort of bins for dumping carp, cats etc. A whack on the head to humanely kill them is all that is needed
4. Oh and the bins need emptying reasonably requently at this time of year
 - more jobs for some5. How about someone visiting the local schools (Doc?) and teaching them something useful that will take their minds off electronic devices for a while? How to catch carp, why they are a pest, best ways to rake them etc...
Hey I am no expert on coarse fishing, but just a few thoughts so nobody shoot me!
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Posted By: sputnik
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2009 at 1:45am
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Just get the kids out there fishing
Not sure I like the idea of bins full of rotting fish but I don't like them just dumped on the river bank either.
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2009 at 8:12am
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Tmmo there is loads of info on the "other" site if you want to have a look, other than that pretty much every bit of water in Auckland has at least some coarse fish in it...
As for kids etc I think the more that can be done the better, and its all about keeping our sport just as popular and growing, and that to be honest I cannot see happening with this generation...they are just different
 But if anyone does serious want a fish around Auckland give me a shout next time Im heading out....always happy to have a chat on the bank
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Posted By: Anguilla
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2009 at 8:15am
I agree my bins idea was just for a "kids fishing day" organised for one day only nt to be left on the bank.....that would get a bit ripe...though
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Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2009 at 9:27am
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yeah... if you could get close enough to the bin thru the clouds of flies and the noxious stench! Ay caramba! :-)
Might tend to put picnicers off their lunches if you have such bins at all the handy spots, eh lol
However, get yourself a nice big sealable 44gal (200l) drum, and toss the fish in that, with a pile of seaweed, and it'd all rot down into an amazing organic fertiliser.
Just dig it in, and don't do it upwind of my place! :-)
cheers,
Stu.
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Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2009 at 4:40pm
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Off topic a bit, but related to the spread of Koi Carp. The owner of this carp I hope but doubt was prosecuted.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE0103/S00054.htm - http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/GE0103/S00054.htm
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