And after 3 terms of Labour, we're ****ed.
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Topic: And after 3 terms of Labour, we're ****ed.
Posted By: mouthu
Subject: And after 3 terms of Labour, we're ****ed.
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 6:09pm
http://nz.biz.yahoo.com//081006/2/8f00.htmlNational says the opening of the Government's books has confirmed New Zealand can no longer afford big-spending, low-growth policies. Finance spokesman Bill English says the figures are an indictment on Michael Cullen's economic mismanagement. He says it is a day of reckoning for a Government which has focused on spending, and ignored the need for investment in future growth. Mr English says the view National has held for some time is that Labour's Budget this year was too optimistic. Now what can we do, Labour has left the books in a position that anyone taking over in parliament is ****ed before they start. Can someone please tell me I'm mistaken? I really do hope I am. ------------- Yes it was me, I screwed it up for everyone. |
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Posted By: sooshee
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 7:05pm
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A source of funds would be to eliminate the seemingly needless bureacracy and over management of the country. We need to be sure that each public servant or asset is delivering outputs that contribute to the wealth or welfare of the nation. It is not a difficult thing to do. |
Posted By: pagrus
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 7:42pm
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Agree Sooshee. Also there should put a complete ban on consultants to Government departments and just make the public servants do their job ....... |
Posted By: sooshee
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2008 at 8:50pm
Not before they have been paid to do a review on the findings of a previous review
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pagrus wrote:Posted By: obald
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 10:03am
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I can't be bothered to type my initial reaction again and it is still making me bloody cross even though it was oh so predictable.
For what it is worth I wrote this earlier this morning.
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Posted By: Adam Scott
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 10:26am
| The only country with more debt per capita is Iceland...and look whats just happened there..so we are next on the list. Our dollar is over valued, we dont own anything in this country to get us out except a bunch of cows. I wonder if that arrogant " Im better than you" smug look thats always on Cullens face has gone yet |
Posted By: Tomsta
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 10:30am
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Well I guess it's a case of wether one sees their glass as being half full or half empty.....
Admittedley enough some things could use a good shake up but it isn't All Bad news as some doom and gloom recidivists imagine... who ever gets in will still screw some things up. That's a given. ------------- Don't Moan about it, Just Do it! |
Posted By: Bushpig
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 10:35am
Do you have any idea how many people that would add to the unemployment list. Besides your average bureaucrat isn't qualified to make a decision ------------- I would rather laugh with the Sinners, than cry with the Saints |
Posted By: 41south
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:02am
| I'll be interested to come back to this in a few years time and see what sort of a mess National has left. Quite frankly both parties manage to screw the country up at some stage in their tenure. |
Posted By: Adam Scott
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 12:15pm
It will take a lot longer than a few years to get us out of the mess. Even when the economy was in growth the labour party introduce things such as more paid holiday leave, more paid maternity leave etc thinking they were doing a good thing..Result = companies wont employ people because its too much hasle/cost, that along with high company tax and Cullen and co say all the large companies like Fisher&Paykel moving offshore has nothing to do with them...Idiots, the only people employing new staff are government deparments, just think of how many people they employ to sought out Kiwi saver.
Anyone with vision beyond the end of their nose saw this day coming long before the books were opened yesterday.
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Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 3:59pm
What Adam said  Nothing was more pleasing than the day I sold out 2 years ago now just before 4 weeks annual leave came in along with all the other crap that has made it impossible to employ staff and make a $$. No bloody wonder China is killing our industry
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 4:13pm
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Cullen should be held accountable for the current state of affairs... throw him in jail! ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: Tomsta
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 4:14pm
Picking on 4 weeks paid holiday as an example....  (Most countries have atleast 4 and some as many as 12).... F###n aye we all want our holidays mate!
Paid maternity leave as another......
(look at what the OZ's get as an example.... Plus 5k in the hand as a govt pay out to start with)....sounds like you're against hard workers having a holiday and taking time out to have a family.... (which is when financial support is needed by a lot)...
Employers do need a break, but not at the sufferage of us loyal workers.... give em a tax break and other incentives..... but don't chop the arms off the working class family man. ------------- Don't Moan about it, Just Do it! |
Posted By: Adam Scott
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 4:28pm
Ok but if you were running the company, had the option of employing someone or getting the job done overseas what would you do?
-You now have to have them on contract, which means if thing slow down you need to pay redundancy
-You need 4 weeks paid leave + paid maternaty leave with the option of 1year off.(So your new staff member could be up the duff and away for up to a year, they by law are allowed to come back to the same job..Do you employ someone else and go thru this crap again)
-The minimum wage has increased too.
Or you can get the product made overseas for less cost, less hassle. I know what I do. We have no choice.
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 4:32pm
Imagine it over here if they offered $5k per sprog fired out!?!? Would give the benefit bludgers something to do with their days.  ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: doncod
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 4:34pm
| remember nz is a country of 4 ml trying to service a country the size of england. 80 percent of businesses employ 12 people so where are we supposed to get all this money bludger |
Posted By: Hairy Little Dwarf
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 4:37pm
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/0a28758.html - http://www.stuff.co.nz/vote08/0a28758.html Go there now and enjoy the election! ------------- The Dreaded Shark-Eating Man! |
Posted By: doncod
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 4:48pm
good bit of stress relief that
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Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 5:17pm
The world owes me a living. The world owes me a living. Get off your arse and start your own company Tomsta, instead of bludging off the efforts and initiative and balls of others. ------------- Nobody has ever come up with a great idea after a second bottle of water. |
Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 5:20pm
And they wonder why manufacturing jobs are going offshore by the hundreds every week Dont you realize that working men and women along with employers are all in it together if the bosses cant afford the welfare add ons there is no jobs, simple really. ------------- http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz"> http://www.boulderguiding.co.nz">www.boulderguiding.co.nz |
Posted By: doncod
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 5:35pm
its about working as a team and you wonder why gvt workers are paid 20% more than their private sector counter parts. my workers deserve more but the reality is i cant afford it and i'm sure they put out more than gvt workers
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Posted By: mouthu
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 6:23pm
I personally like the way it was before I lost my bonus week of annual leave. The way it was that after 7 years of loyal sevice I got an extra weeks leave or I could have it cashed in at my choice. I lost that when helenograd and the history teacher with no idea of finance and loyalty decided that all workers should have a fourth week of leave for nothing. You can guess who the Labour party and union members are here.
It was also the case that if I was unfortunate to become pregnant (perish the thought) once I'd been working there for a set amount of time, then I'd be eligable for marternity/parternity leave and not before. Now the way it is, some people that have just got a job will now decide to start their family without thinking about the employer who has to pay for thier baby. I say this from the point of view that there's a person I know that didn't have a job and only got one when her and hubby decided to start a family, hubby made enough money for them both before this point, hence the reason she didn't work. Noe that particular company pays for her to do just what she'd been doing 7 months earlier.
How about before saying the employers should be looking after their hard working employees we think about wether we deserve it. Yes we deserve to be paid for a fair days work, but do we need to cripple the company we work for and make it hard for the company to give anyone else in the company a pay rise.
I actually turned down a job about 3 years ago only because I refused to join the union. As I see it, what I get paid or not paid should be on my performance and not someone elses who doesn't deserve it.
What really gets me is these dumb ****ers that get a job that pays minimum wage know that when they've sighen the contract, then 4 months later go on strike because they want more. Brilliant brain surgeons. If you don't like a **** pay, don't apply for that job. ------------- Yes it was me, I screwed it up for everyone. |
Posted By: doncod
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 6:32pm
well said mouthu. and its funny some of my emplyees have been with us for 30 yrs the least is just 2 bit years but we are a team |
Posted By: Wizard
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 8:14pm
I work for the govt, in the airforce and someone doing my job earns more in air NZ. |
Posted By: sooshee
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 9:21pm
Maybe for specific types of jobs it is true but I too wouldn't have thought that to be generally true. On the flip side, in Asia there is a saying that if you work for the public sector, you own an "iron rice bowl" (never go hungry), that is you won't be laid off.
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Posted By: Tomsta
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 8:49am
STICK IT UP YER ASS & ENJOY OH BENT ONE....
 For the record, Neither of those policies had any effect on me..... we had kids before the paid maternity leave kicked in and once working here for 5 years were given a 4th week annual leave as a loyal service reward..... when the 4th week was made compulsory for all it was salt in the wound as it felt like it had been deserved all ready. However looking outside the square you either look after your employees or they F### off somewhere else (ie/ oz)...
Oh yes, And I also have my back and shoulders involved in several private enterprises... (Saw mill contractor selling Macrocarpa slabs sleepers and various houselots of timber, Horticulture being Landscape plant supplies, rental property)... and also the 40 hour a week job aswell as keeping a family of 7 under control and feed....
All I'm saying is there are normally two sides to every story and only seeing one side is frankly put very short sighted of you....  ------------- Don't Moan about it, Just Do it! |
Posted By: Adam Scott
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 11:23am
Or looking at it from another point of view you should be looking after the employeer, being thankful you are getting paid good money and have a job. In many cases he too could F### off over seas taking his company with him, pay less company tax and pay the employees 2cents an hour to do the same job. I can think of many companys that have now done this.
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Posted By: KeenAs
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 12:14pm
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With regards to paid parental leave; It can be far more economical to pay a female employee $300 a week in maternity leave than going through the hassle of recruiting another person and having to train them.
My wife is national sales/key account manager for a textile company. Her employer worked out the cost to the company is she had resigned as opposed to paying her maternity leave..... It was a piss easy decision for them.
The wealth of knowledge she has about the company would take years to replace, not to mention the down time incurred to the company training someone, and the ticket clip if the replacement came from a recruitment agency, which could be 10%.
So, paid maternity leave is a burden for some and an investment for others.
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Posted By: JB
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 12:33pm
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We have a small business and effectively the move to four weeks has cost us 1 more staff member (having to employee them to cover while more on holiday). Although we pay more than minimium wage to roles that the rest of the industry pay minimum wage we find this a better method than the extra 4 weeks. Utlimately the cost for this extra week has come back to the consumer and thus prices have increased because of this. Is it any wonder than the cost of petrol, groceries alike have risen. All these industries rely on those workers who previously had 3 weeks and now 4. Sure its not the main reason for prices going up but you can sure bet than its a factor. I know this for a fact.
The moral of the story is this.. if costs go up so to prices.... Is anyone better off??? Probably not as the normal worker may have 1 extra week leave but could be in reality worse off in disposable income.
I would hate to see the round of retail price rises if the miminum wage rate lifted drastically like some parties are pushing for. My bet is in the end the workers at mimimun pay level would be no better off. To me the only solution to that issue is the amount the government take.... and that leads us to where?? Tax cuts
my 2 cents
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Posted By: mouthu
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 7:33pm
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And the communist party at the local mall (westcity) this arvo thought I might be interested in thier election promises? **** they got a shock when I recited every broken promise from the last 3 elections and brought up how the **** can the communist party have a campaign based on integraty and honesty when ol helen paint-a-gate clark can't even tell the truth when asked (actually she/he/it lied) and won't even back up the blokes that got her/him/it to the rugby on time at her demand. Then I continued to ask who the **** would have a history teacher as the minister of finance? Only the communist party who'll tax the working man (and woman) to give all the money to the dole bludgers causing the entire country into so much debt that we're ****ed for at least the next decade.
At which time mall security turned up and asked me to move along to the applause of about 6 or 7 people. I must've made my case, I wonder if they'll be there tommorrow for round 2, right after I've done some more research.
 P.s. I like the security guys at this mall. They're good bloke. ------------- Yes it was me, I screwed it up for everyone. |
Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2008 at 11:16am
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Posted By: fozzie
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2008 at 12:52pm
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How is being an employee "Bludging off the efforts and initiatives and balls of others" ffs?
A lot of us inferior employees are not out there sqawking "the world owes us a living" but are actually sellling our specialised skills to organisations committed to running large successful enterprises, that require huge capital investment and committment from skilled indivivuals. These efforts go towards helping to ensure that good responsible companies are able to commit to keeping manufacturing in our own country.
I for one, know full well that my efforts working for some one else will do a damn sight more to keep other lesser skilled workers in paid employment and off the dole ques than if if I was trying to run a small company somewhere.
Sorry mate, but to say that being an employee is "bludging off the efforts and initiative and balls of others "pisses me off....
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Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2008 at 1:13pm
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Our employer wouldn't exist if the employees weren't here to 'bludge off their efforts...'
If everyone owned their own company, where the **** would that get us??? ------------- What's the cheapest type of meat? Dear balls. They're under a buck. |
Posted By: mouthu
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2008 at 9:33pm
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