When to start?
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Topic: When to start?
Posted By: biggear
Subject: When to start?
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 7:32am
| Having only started game fishing in February, Im unsure as to when I should start pulling some string. Im in tauranga so was thinking early to mid november for tuna? Or is that too early. Any tips would be appreciated. |
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Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 8:21am
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Ill be keeping an eye on the SST's late November and calling on a few key contacts around the traps to see what the skippies etc are up toooooo.
My bones are telling me that it will be early this year  , but then that just may be novice anticipation blinding me. Ive nothing better to do at that time of the year anyway so why not give it a crack early ?------------- http://www.blackbillsportfishing.co.nz/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 4:14pm
| I went out in early Nov last year hooked a yellowfin, eveyone said oh na it must have been an alby, I no what a yellowfin looks like, any way a week later or so, elrobbo and phad got fins |
Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 4:36pm
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There's no reason why a keen gamefisher can't target the black marlins that swarm around Anchorite rock during the winter. ------------- Nobody has ever come up with a great idea after a second bottle of water. |
Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 4:45pm
troll out over the worm beds to pull the stripies that harass Phats and Damo as well
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Posted By: Bushpig
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 4:48pm
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pppfffftttttt Swords at Omaha are where its at ------------- I would rather laugh with the Sinners, than cry with the Saints |
Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 5:06pm
Now thats a plan for thursday Bushpig :) In at bayswater , 1.5hrs up to North east of Takatu and drift all the way back with big Livies.  Might at least get the 1st Club Pin for a decent shark ------------- http://www.blackbillsportfishing.co.nz/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: phantomdeviant
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 5:07pm
Exactley. Planning a drift on some pins along the 10m line this weekend. Not sure what the moon is doing but hopefully get into em ------------- Skirt Pulla |
Bushpig wrote:Posted By: Tone E
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 5:20pm
| You should pop out tomorrow...fat winter albies and the slim slim slim chance of a southern Bluefin |
Posted By: carlostairua
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 6:03pm
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Hi Biggear
If you look back through here the Albies started running this time around Mayor last year. Weather is about three weeks behind this year, this is the first spell of good weather for a long term versus last year when the water had cracked 16 degrees already (only 14 degrees now) so might be a bit behind this year. A few easterlies systems should sort that out, and looks like some more east next week. As far as the big fellas go, keep an ear out for the first fin running Nov/Dec, but to be honest the marlin seem to be in more numbers, more concentrated and closer to shore at the tail end of the season....not many people fishing late through til May but they were there..... Can't wait! sweet carl ------------- http://theprovider.co.nz" rel="nofollow - theprovider.co.nz |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 26 Aug 2008 at 6:08pm
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mate just so you know there is no wrong time, from november onwards we set off in hope of a stripy, it just means going a bit further than one would earlier in the season. most wait to get out there me i just like to walk the talk and go do it, the odds are against you but sure as god made little green apples you have more chance on the water than sitting at home. heres a tip for you, start sorting things out as the season closes in, i am already rigging lures as i have a couple and am retying doubles and making windons. wont be long until i will be going up and down the harbour towing plastic, this just to set the power-gum loops for the coming season, no good doing it when you should be watching gear rather than sorting it. I have a very simple saying and its simply called the 7 Ps. I do ok but i also put in a shet load of prep prior to the big event, just ask anyone who has come out with me, oh and practise filling the lungs so you can bellow that is all. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: biggear
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2008 at 8:15am
| Thanks for the adivice guys. Im gonna hit it in november anyway. Ya never know your luck. Just gotta get a heap of gear at the boat show to ensure im covered on that front. |
Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2008 at 8:24am
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Geez mate, depending on what you are after I wouldnt be relying on a boat show to buy gear. If you have a look at trade me at the moment there is a heap of great game gear going at good prices and based on experience there will be a heap more being put up over the next little while.
I would also suggest putting a list of what you are after up on the forum B & E and I think you would be surprised what will be offered.
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Posted By: Adam Scott
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2008 at 8:59am
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Out of interest, whats the earliest people on here have caught a marlin and out of how many? That may give a true indication of early season chances. If fuel was cheap then sure, but if you want return for investment then do the maths.
For me, out of 188marlin, the earliest was on the 1st of Jan 1995. Hense with 0% for Nov and 0% for Dec, school snaps are where its at over that time.
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Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2008 at 12:06pm
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1st official marlin for NZ I believe was 31st dec ?
Wetspot was 3rd December T& R Striped Marlin and started fishing 27th december with the 1st YFT coming on board the day before.
Ill certainly be out poking my nose around late November
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Posted By: biggear
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2008 at 12:12pm
| Good thinking wetspot. Will post what i'm after thanks. Only looking for gear cause the insurance wont pay out for all the stolen gear of mine. |
Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 27 Aug 2008 at 1:37pm
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what with a good number of big eye out yonder, if you pput the time in I recon people would be suprised, but with nz weather and fuel, its just a waste of thought... ------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/ |
Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 10:20pm
27th Dec season before last I think I got more of a fright than it. Had a couple of knock downs between xmas and new year off the brett last year as well. But they certainly weren't leaping in the boat... |
Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 10:24pm
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Big eye you say... and how would one find them? I seen three big huas on the back of Predator '97ish around april caught off the surville canyons. We lost a big fin 60-70kg ish the next day in a similar area and saw some very "big" skippy splashes and porposing tuna in the distance but never came up on em. But they are the only ones I have ever seen. What does a man / boy have to do to track em down? in winter... |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 10:47pm
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they seem to get em at the rise, could be well worth a look but the ones i have heard recreationaly have been hooked when targeting broadies.
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Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 10:47pm
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El Robbo, I'm no expert, but 17 17.5 seems to be a very good surface temp at present for them up north. And they like to feed early, so trolling a likely area with good structure and sst, at this time would be the go.
So upwellings and eddies, good water colour, bit of planning, who knows. ------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/ |
Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 11:04pm
| Are you the same Mangre with the wonder SSTs? I haven't been spending nearly enough dosh on fuel over winter and my visa is starting to get restless.... |
Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 11:13pm
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Mangre what about here? she's a long way out for a little boat.... putting the gear in at the 1000m mark different concept.  >> Edit: I can almost see a line of chunks running across the dumping ground... |
Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 11:14pm
| I reckon thats not actually looking too bad... got me fin in 18 and some last year from memory. |
Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2008 at 11:16pm
BA is this spot the rise? never did figure out where it was. |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2008 at 6:06am
| Rob big eye are coming in from out wide, the fish are always there you just got to head wider. |
Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2008 at 9:08am
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WERES THAT? GPS MARKS? ------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/ |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2008 at 2:38pm
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the rise is 48miles out from toots have the marks on the boat, like i was saying the guys get em when targeting broadies. if i was a good keen man Robbo I would be going out to 300m and towing gear to the rise. not that i would know but i recon find the bait out there and hang with it, its an amazing place to head and dam if it aint a fishy place, not many go there but i recon more should, specially if your a keen man. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2008 at 12:29pm
| Mangre, my mates a tuna fisherman and he is hauling them in they are way wide tho 1000m plus |
Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2008 at 12:57pm
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yeah thats true, lots of mixed sizes too, but lots of them. ------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/ |
Posted By: Kezza 1
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2008 at 1:58pm
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am looking at an early season go at yellowfin sometime late november early december. Has anyone had any action over the kumara patch and south to the pinnacles? And is it a dumb idea to fish a couple lures on 15kg? oh and which sst chart is the best?
cheers
kieran
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2008 at 2:34pm
so we've got a Kezza, a Kezza1 and a Keza posting....this could get a tad weird....
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Posted By: otdrmn
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2008 at 3:59pm
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would the real Kezza please stand up
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Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2008 at 7:48am
1500m straight off Brett. |
Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2008 at 10:26am
 
Thanks for that El Robbo,
This is the same day I think as the sst you posted, yours was towards the top left of the picture.
Just another look, with a Chlory chart included.
BA, is this the rise you talk about, it is 48 from toots and the top is about 460m, looks very fishy at the moment along the south face. ------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/ |
Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2008 at 12:07pm
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Immmmmm very fishy ! ------------- http://www.blackbillsportfishing.co.nz/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2008 at 5:42pm
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could well be, the rise is a 600m mark and in the space of a few hundred yards you are over a 1000m and the temps were amazing, hot and cold up wellings everywhere and the bait far out we had it from memory 200m down to the surface and was all squid. on arrival we were monstered by good old mahimahi and if there was 2 there would have been hundreds and all big fish, Tom and I both bagging line class stuff last year. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2008 at 10:33pm
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Is the rise the Eastern face of the pin in the right of the picture... that is a 2000m drop in not too far a distance. Mangre there is only a real small warm spot on your blue version. The clorofill one is interesting... looks to me like current coming in from SE hitting that great big face of the pin and spreading out to the north and being held out there by the currents come off the coast. |
Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2008 at 11:22am
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Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2008 at 11:41am
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As I see it, there is a finger of warm water pushing in from the north connected to a bigger body of warmer water. eddie forming on the 1000m rise which happens to be the rise in your sst, then the water is getting pulled south east down towards that 600m rise due to the upwellings caused by as you say the strong current hitting it from the SE... I have put some current lines on the map, with dots instead of arrows as the direction of the current. ------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/ |
Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2008 at 7:56pm
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How are you figuring out the current direction? I also presume you are working from the dot to the end of the line for a direction so "o-------" would be a current moving down the coast west ---- east. That finger at 16.5 - 17 is definitely a lot closer than the other day. Presuming this is heat not chlorofil... |
Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2008 at 8:17pm
| Was checking back in my last years SSTs that YFT I pulled out 9 Dec last year was in 18-18.5+ ish. So a little ways to go in the water temps still.... |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2008 at 8:29pm
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recon it will be a bit hit and miss as per the norm Rob but think if you were to burn another 25lt and head wide you may be in? who knows, i will be looking so let us know what you get upto as i may follow.
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Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2008 at 8:34pm
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Will see how I go just been checking out the Puka Brady caught. Maybe some bottom bouncing if we get a still patch. Get a little nervous early in the season just at the 500m mark back of the pin, is a little lonesome out there but for container ships... Need two motors and some balls I think. |
Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2008 at 8:49pm
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Immmmmm, Im keen on an early leap into the unknown , snapper fishin is great and all, but my feet are an intchin for some lures and screeming reels. Any chance of a PM on the GPS mark for that 600m area. Been scouring my paper charts and LINZ charts but I cannot pin point it ? ------------- http://www.blackbillsportfishing.co.nz/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2008 at 8:51pm
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harden up mate lol thats what coast guard are for hehehe yeah i know what your saying, its a long way when it goes tits up. if your around at labour weekend come up to the club and join in the festivities. ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2008 at 9:33pm
| Lance not sure what the marks are... head east a little south from the Brett and keep going till either you hit Chile or catch a tuna... On the charts there is an explosives drop zone in 1500m it should all be south from there. |
Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2008 at 10:21pm
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Ahhhhhhhhh 665m just East with a Bearing of 070 off the Compass Rose ?
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Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 7:58am
| Quite possibly. Sorry all my charts on the boat... Think you would need to check the bathys.. |
Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2008 at 11:15pm
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Well I think I have narrowed doen if anyone was kean to confer
Approx 35* 00' 00 S and 175* 11' 00' E +or- a few seconds .
Not too flash on the paper charts . Working off Mangre's post and NZ52 ------------- http://www.blackbillsportfishing.co.nz/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2008 at 5:02pm
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Yeah the dot is the direction, seems to be moving that way. That rise wetspot sounds spot on. There are Northens out there somewhere, not really sure were though. ------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/ |
Posted By: El_Robbo
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2008 at 10:34pm
| Do they come in North? well there you go. Every been one caught on R&R in NZ? That would be a challenge. And am sure it would burn a lot of fuel. |
Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2008 at 3:39pm
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I don,t really know, but the tag a giant , with the blue finn of westport showed one swiming past that area and out the trench towards a couple of rises further out.
That was in November,2007 so who knows..
The fish that I know of was very skiny, like the west coast fish. 200kilo.
maybe an early run from westport, must come around the top and hang around then take off way north.
http://las.pfeg.noaa.gov/nonTOPPtags/ - http://las.pfeg.noaa.gov/nonTOPPtags/
This site has the Tuna tracks
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2008 at 6:41am
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"The fish that I know of was very skiny, like the west coast fish" the westcoast tuna being "skinny' is all arse Paul...of the 50 or 60 i've seen not one would have negative condition. |
Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2008 at 7:57am
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Ah Ok, are they moving north to spawn Kezza? skinny or fat, I would love to catch one. ------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/ |
Posted By: Dead Ant
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2008 at 8:57am
Finally someone said it- Here's the evidence! Commercial's don't target skinny fish  |
Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2008 at 5:26pm
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Nice pics there, but are these out of bay of Islands? I'm about some sst charts outside this area, with maybe a chance of some crazy loco in a boat catching a tuna, any tuna to be quite honest.... ------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/ |
Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2008 at 6:10pm
have a heap of gps marks i found today on the boat so will post them up later, will be a new thread called gps marks in the work up thread
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Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2008 at 7:02pm
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Posted By: MarlinSpikethe2nd
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 1:18pm
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Bigeye tend to head into Bay Of Plenty waters from early november.In some instances, some longliners catch them in far greater numbers than yellowfin. The Ngatoro knolls would be a good place to start providing you've got the boat and fuel to do it. It's around 80 NM from the Tauranga harbor entrance so you would need a good weather window to venture out there. Beyond the Barrier and Cuvier also at this time, eg Colville knolls ect ect.Late november they should be in 1000 meters.......heres hoping for a couple of low pressure systems to bring em in i guess. ------------- Commercial fisherman. Don't ya just love em. |
Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 2:31pm
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Immmmmmm :) ------------- http://www.blackbillsportfishing.co.nz/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 2:34pm
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Settle Lance - you've still got months to target the fabled Anchrite Winter Blacks before you go chasing after them pesky tuna and marlins.
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Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 3:02pm
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ha ha ha :) already had the new rigs trolling around there buddy ! need to get the 1st fish hoodoo off Numbered rods - Wetspot 1,2 & 4. No 3 got a Mahimahi at the end of last season :) A big King would do the trick ------------- http://www.blackbillsportfishing.co.nz/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 3:50pm
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Marlin spike, do you know of a place out there the com boys call "jarrasic park," sounds like the place. Have been out to the Ngatoros a number of years ago, for a broady drift, alot of big sharks, no luck on the swordfish. ------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/ |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 3:53pm
| Mate of mine was 300m back of stevies after blue nose, water was 16.5, so shes still bloody cold out there. Still my FAD will go in the water at labour weekend. |
Posted By: Plonker
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 6:04pm
Bit gutting Ben my Big Eye trip fell thought at the last min .
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Posted By: Brady Rowe
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 7:17pm
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Ive raised a couple, early november in past . They say that some bird species came into wellington a month early this spring due to early movments of warm air current/water etc . Im guessing things might kick off early if these muppets know what they are on about.
Early november they ll be there.
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 7:26pm
I will be right behind you my friend, if the baits about they cant be too far away  ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Saltiga
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 8:34pm
| Yep agree there brad, and yep il be out early as I was last season, things are pointing to and early start. weather patterns up north have changed looking at an early summer. |
Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 9:33pm
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Dang I had a sudden flashback there and found myself back in 1987. And that is definitely not somewhere I want to be.
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Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 9:47pm
I take it Jurrasic is here ?------------- http://www.blackbillsportfishing.co.nz/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: bevan b
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 9:49pm
| has anyone else seen these winter blacks at anchorite???? |
Posted By: MarlinSpikethe2nd
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2008 at 2:34am
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Yip you're right there Mangre. We used to tangle with a few of the big brutes also.Did you tend to get a few Makos when you were at the Ngatoro's.Thats one thing about targeting broadbill,the damn Makos can make a nuicence of it thats for sure. What time of the year did you head out there?.There's Swords on them, good for the early bigeye oct-nov also.
Kurt- Were you heading out of the Bay of Islands mate0. ------------- Commercial fisherman. Don't ya just love em. |
Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2008 at 3:28pm
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Big Blue sharks, think we may of had a hit, but dropped off, diddnt really know what we were doing, chunked all night for a tuna, no luck. it was maybe around feb time.
freaky out there with white Island out of sight.
Wetspot, that must be it.. ? ------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/ |
Posted By: MarlinSpikethe2nd
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2008 at 10:56pm
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Good one Mangre.There seems to be a fair few broadbill that move in close to white island during April and again june and july.We once caught a broadbill in it's waters when we set a surface longline shot over the bluenose grounds.A recreational fisher must've hooked the fish of a lifetime without even knowing it.The broadbill still had a two hook puka rig still attached to it with a lightstick between the two hooks. Quite amazed that still managed to eat the Sanmar we used for bait.
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Posted By: mangre 2
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2008 at 2:02pm
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on cova rose, no worries, like a mill pond it was. wasn't in charter at that stage. ------------- Beautiful is better than ugly, Explicit is better than implicit, Simple is better than complex, Complex is better than complicated. http://oceanmobilemap.blogspot.co.nz/ |