! my future ;)
Printed From: The Fishing Website
Category: Diving
Forum Name: Spearo's Corner
Forum Description: Free-divers & spearos chat about their sport
URL: https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31881
Printed Date: 09 Jun 2026 at 9:44pm
Topic: ! my future ;)
Posted By: jr.spero
Subject: ! my future ;)
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 5:04pm
|
hi guys i was wondering if any of you guys have taken any corses to do with fish or work in any 'HIGH paying' jobs to do with the ocean.... because we are selecting subjects at school for what we wanna take next yr at school and it really important because of NCEA and stuff and once i choose a subject i cant change because i would of had to of done it the yr before... i was talkn to the carrers advisor and telling him what i am interested in etc and we got into biology and stuff because the only thing i no that i can auctully work for and be in the water is being a marine biologist but i dont really want to do all that other crap... is any one taking in courses taht involve fish and diving and will end up getting well payed and what do i need to take for 5th form... iam also doing art and there is a photography corse in 6th form and he said that that could relate to marine photography and i could also take geography to help with something???? for marine biology i just wanted some info on what i could look to be in job wise for the future that i can roll in the cash and love it! he said i need to do something i enjoy otherwise he said "itll be like pushing butter up a hill with a hot neddle" ??? so i was just wondering what jobs i could take and what corses i will need to take for that job... oh and i need to know by tomorrow night because we need to hand the form in for what we are taking on friday! ------------- "is it dead?" |
Replies:
Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 5:14pm
Haha Jesus mate! 
Well if you like biology and fish, Marine Biology might be your thing at Auckland University. From there you can go on to work with NIWA, MoFish, MAF, etc...
Im taking Aquaculture at AUT, but I don't know if they are going to continue the Paper as it doesn't have much interest in it. However they are taking up Marine Biology as well.
Heres the Aquaculture course information:
http://www.aut.ac.nz/schools/applied_sciences/course_information/bachelor_of_applied_science/aquaculture.htm - http://www.aut.ac.nz/schools/applied_sciences/course_information/bachelor_of_applied_science/aquaculture.htm
|
Posted By: kolt45
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 5:30pm
|
If you have an interest in the sciences, consider geology. Lots of geo careers out there that involve the ocean not the least of which is offshore oil exploration (read as "big bucks"). I'm a hydrologist, but I've got a friend back in the states that's practically begging me to go to work at his firm doing some geophysical bore logging for oil exploration. Geologists have an incredible number of career paths to choose from. All that, plus getting a geology degree(s) is hella fun. Aquaculture can lead to huge bucks if you play your cards right, but it takes a lot of work and dedication (I did a fisheries minor and took some amazing aquaculture courses at the University of Florida). Breaking the barrier of establishing brood stock of tropical species is where a lot of entrepreneurial types are leaning. Good luck with the decision making - it's not easy! |
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 5:37pm
sweet guys thanks for dat and rusky what are you planning to do when u leave and do u think there is enough work in nz for ne of those future options mentioned? that geology sounds good aswel im pretty sure i will take that now ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: Andr'e
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 7:36pm
|
Its good that your speaking out and looking for advice thats a great first step. You should read the book "retire young retire rich" In this book you will learn that its was last generations thinking of you need a high paying job/career to be rich. Its all about building positive cashflow! Once you start to earn more and work less there will be more time to dive or.......become a sparky like me and slack off when the suns out and use all your holiday and sick days at the hen. ------------- miss by an inch miss by a mile |
Posted By: studio1
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 7:52pm
|
What subjects are you best at now?
Sometimes it's good to keep your leisure stuff separate from your job - I got bored with something I really enjoyed by working in a job in that area for a couple of years......but there are loads of people who absolutely love their work. IMO, one of the best things you can do is work for yourself or own your own business....in whatever field. You can work to suit your lifestyle. You don't need to earn heaps to get the best of life - if you use your money wisely you can do well. |
Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 7:53pm
|
jr.spearo. Not sure yet on where my journeys will take me. Italy, Australia, Japan, China, who knows, will cross that bridge when I come to it.
NIWA is a huge thing in NZ, along with Aquaculture it has 150 Million being invested into it in the next 5 years, the industry is quadroupling in size, and there is always new species yet to be farmed or researched. Northland is the next target for Aquaculture.
Plus the demand for a sustainable source of fish is always increasing...
|
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 8:19pm
ok great guys... im scaerd that if i dont do something that i like i will dread doingit but iam scared that i will get bored of spearfishing !!!!! i have also planned to start my own company bu tis it possible after the pay of ne of those jobs and what one is the best payed? growing up ive alwaes wanted to be really rich and famous and be on about 50m a yr. and move to america etc... i want to have the flash cars and massive boats and own hotels etc i want to be the best i was even concidering law...... do you know what to do that would open upthe best oppitunties for me after the corse so i can start sum massive company and then be able to retire and just come back to nz and dive for the rest of my life and be the best spearo in the world..... if u guys can help me decide what to choose and if i become really rich i will give all u guys 1millon each for a gift!!!!! so lets just hope i get lucky------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: herby
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 9:00pm
|
I did a couple of years of a marine bio degree and hated every second of it. You learn a lot about a broad range of things, which is OK for some, but I like to learn a lot about specific things.
I changed to an Aquaculture degree and Im still about 6 months to a year away from graduating but I've already been offered a good job overseas which I'm still deciding wether or not to take.
As a growth industry globally you probably cant go past aquaculture.
|
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 9:14pm
|
ok sweet... what kinfd of things can you do with a degree of that apart from marine farming? ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: Paul M
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 10:24pm
|
Mate I don't know how old you are...not sure when they took spelling out of the corriculum either Many people I know don't work out what they want to do untill they are 23 or more and I know plenty over 30 who are still trying to work it out. Just get into something you enjoy and has plenty of hot chicks around it. If you want to be rich start saving for a house deposit and get your first home before your 22... even if you can't afford to live in it yourself....... actually, you'd better get a boat first
|
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 10:39pm
|
hahaha umm we just have to decide fro corses of what we wana do wen we oldr... and i do do no how to spell hahaha just shorten it when dosnt matter as much haha well i dont want to be some old person when i start to work i wanna be at the best funnest part in my life straight away! ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: Bridge Builder
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 10:46pm
|
mate I can honestly say at 24 that you dont know what you reeeeeallly want to do yet.. well you may but its unlikly. there are soooo many things out there that school wont even mention about.
my advice to you is learn and do well in the subjects that apply to heaps of things- maths, business, geography, broad stuff that wont be to hard for you to grasp later and gives you a range of knowlage. much of what you learn there will be general knowlage to you later.
I never thought I would ever have to use maths again when I was 5th form I got school cert and blew it off asap....wishing I had not because now im 24, studying civil engineering while working fulltime and having to learn it...hard, enjoyable though.
civil engineering could be a good one for you..has lots to do with everything, huge amounts of variety, coastal, geological, hydrostatics and hydrology, structures earthworks its all part of it..
Enjoy these years of your life boy...you are on easy street right now.
|
Posted By: JRDO
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 10:48pm
|
The three most wealthy people I know left school in 5th form, go figure. But, school is awesome, the hardest decision you have to make is what you put on your form tomorrow! And don't fret about or belive that the subjects you take in 5th, 6th and even 7th form are going to define which career options you have in the future. Just make sure you do well at what ever you do take, people are more interested in seeing that if you decide to do something you can do it well. I reccomend art subjects due to a higher girl to guy ratio. ------------- BANNED from doing anything about anything anymore. |
Posted By: Bridge Builder
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2008 at 11:21pm
| post up above-me being 24 |
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 7:35am
|
Jr Spearo - I worked for NIWA for 8 years - was on their dive team doing research work (surveys etc). I worked full time as a paua and kina diver for 8 years too, as well as part time for another 3 or 4 years. I enjoyed all of it. I'm a schoolteacher now, and do you know what - I enjoy my spearfishing way more now. One thing I can say, is that in Marine Biology you are not going to get rich. You won't get rich doing paua and kina unless you own your own quota, and to be honest getting to that stage you'll be poor for a long time first - quota is mucho expensive.
The one thing you do get from the paua and kina is diving fitness and spearfishing experience. It's no coincidence some of the best spearos are commercial divers. Marine biology is bloody interesting, but only if you are an academic sort - does that describe you? Hope this helps |
Posted By: herby
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 7:58am
Only gypsies really know what your future holds Jr.
What you do at school doesnt reeeeeealy matter in the long run. The school will tell you otherwise but just ignore them. Most unis offer intro papers if you havent done that subject at school (chem, stats etc...) to get you into the next stage papers.
|
Posted By: TheSnapperWhisperer
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 10:16am
|
Some good words there guys, and a really good question from jr Spearo to start it all off! I agree it doesn't really matter what you do at school. I sorta wish I'd taken more languages and more biology, but I enjoyed what I did anyway. Do what interests you at school and ignore what will earn the most money. The Rich List is published each year and includes a huge variety of people who did pretty random things to get rich. If we all could think of a way to make zillions whilst spearfishing we would be doing it. As DD says, being a scientific diver or kina/paua diver or working at NIWA, deep sea diver (danger pay), scuba instructor, dive shop owner, charter boat owner, underwater photography, etc is likely to provide a living, but will not make you filthy rich.Most people get rich by having people work for them, and by making their money work for them, but seldom by working themselves. Occassionally brilliant people make millions and millions by being very good or persistent at random things - creating trademe, 42 below vodka, creating google, bank robbery, real estate investment, finance etc... but most of it is old family money!
Ingrid Visser the Orca lady always encourages young people to study what they love doing regardless of the money - she always wanted to study orcas. Often the happiest people do jobs like hers that rely on grants and public funding but are rewarding. Imagine being out with Orca every day and finding out new things - how cool would that be?
Specialist professionals like hydrographers, hydrologists, marine surveyors, etc can earn pretty good money and spend time on ships which would be great when you are in your 20's but sucky if you want to have a family. But they are not filthy rich.
It is most important to understand maths and english and/or other languages, basic biology and physics and art at your stage. If you learn to communicate with language and maths you can do anything. Most people do a variety of jobs in their lifetimes these days so you don't want your basic education to be too narrow. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/TheSnapperWhisperer |
Posted By: vP
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 10:35am
|
Its great to see that you are thinking about your future. I studied both marine bio and money & finance at uni. A rather random mix I know but I enjoyed both a lot. The Snapper Whisper makes a great point “The Rich List is published each year and includes a huge variety of people who did pretty random things to get rich.”
There is serious money to be made in ever industry as long as you do what you do well. For example: you could sell tooth paste and become the next colgate, make vodka and become the next 42 below. If you are driven to make serious wealth then working one day for yourself is a given….there are very few salaries out there that will make you huge wealth. I truly believe that if the ocean is your passion then follow your dreams….but just remember there is far more to life then just $$$.
|
Posted By: SeaCamel
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 11:31am
|
how insistent are you on making your living lawfully? Either way, once you've made your first million you can write a "get rich quick" book... ------------- Many a mickle makes a muckle |
Posted By: Nick W
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 11:48am
|
I studied Bio and Geo at Victoria uni, was alot of fun. Best thing about uni - uni holidays, heaps of time for diving, also use to go for scallops if i had a 2hr break between lectures. Now whats the closest thing to having uni holidays to do heaps of diving - SCHOOL HOLIDAYS. Im now a school teacher 12weeks of diving holidays, can also be out of school by 3.20 on week days and go for a dive in summer after school.
Does suck in you want extra time off, almost impossible to get. Pays not bad considering the amount of time you get off. Do a degree in anything, go to T col for a year and hey your a teacher.
|
Posted By: Mex
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 12:59pm
|
Come to Dunedin and do a Bachelor of Applied Science in Aquaculture and Fisheries. It involves mostly geography, biology, chemistry and the odd business paper. Its there to set you up for having a more manager/entreprenurial role in aquaculture rather than 'out the back' research work, which usually means bigger $.
Also by moving south itll make you appreciate the good days diving so much more!
|
Posted By: yellowfin hunter
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 1:42pm
| dude you want my opinion , my wife has done 8 odd years doing marine crap , if ya want hi paying etc ,, stay away from science ? if money is not a prob to ya you will love the sciences ? rig diving man good money ? hard to get into ? but if ya do the time as the boy on the rigs ? you get the experance of rig life ,, ? prove ya got staying power and thay will invest in you ? and ya get to go every ware ? |
Posted By: SeaCamel
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 2:02pm
|
demand for rig divers is so high atm some companies will pay you gear and training. it's good money but also well earned money.
------------- Many a mickle makes a muckle |
Posted By: Fizzlesticks
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 2:04pm
TSW has said it best.
Just thinking about the mistakes I've made. You won't learn a lot in Geography, Horticulture, History, Statistics etc at school which you can't pick up later on. English/Drama would be a must, generally, successful people can communicate really well (written and orally). Calculus would be a better option than Statistics for a maths subject.
Also, to get more money in your chosen career you often need to get into management of some sort. This requires good people skills rather than knowledge learnt at school or uni. Activities like team sports could help you develop these skills? Dunno?
|
TheSnapperWhisperer wrote:Posted By: kj
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 2:10pm
|
My personal experience for what it's worth- I grew up surfing and snowboarding and thought, hell do what you enjoy most.... the careers adviser said do a bachelor of leisure studies degree and get into it, do what you love they said... so three years of study and 5 years of work in the adventure tourism industry I am now doing something radically different and absolutely love it, my weekends are mine to do what I enjoy, my "job doing what I love" left me hating snowboarding, haven't been in two years, it's no longer the same for me. Now I wish I'd done a trade and become a sparky, but oh well, incidentally at 29 yrs old I've finally decided what I want to do and will go back to school next year all be it part time.. |
Posted By: yellowfin hunter
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 2:40pm
so well put seacamel, mind you even hear in nz ya start on 70k as and offsider on drilling rigs , as as for even just becomein a driller , thats were it gets fun ? you get to pick the days you work ,, ok 13hr days for 3 weeks almost kills ya , but ya can do a hell of a lot of diving or looking at diving on the comp wen ya get your 3 week break ? and as for seeing the world ? i wont be thinking of yas wen im in New Cal next year ,,, but what ever parth ya take Jr , if ya aim 4 the stars ? you will at lest get to the moon ,, |
Posted By: vP
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 3:18pm
|
"Calculus would be a better option than Statistics for a maths subject." From my personal experience of doing both stats and calc through uni, stats is far more applicable to the real world. |
Posted By: Andr'e
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 4:45pm
|
maybe you could start a spearos on bike parade ------------- miss by an inch miss by a mile |
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 5:20pm
|
ok.... that rig diving sounds good aye but! i no you guys keep saying it not about the money but really it is! because what do people go to work to do? they go to work to make money!.... you cant enjoy life if you have no money i no it sounds pathetic but its the sad truth! with money you can do anything and be who ever you want and not get bossed around you can be the one telling people what to do!! and things are just going to get more expensive like look at cheese!! in a couple of years all the retired people will have to start work again... and im going to need money to live thats why i think i need to be rich... i want to be very happy with the money i have i dont want to have to worry were the next meal is coming from... i dont want to have to be worried if the car breaks down and i can afford to take it to get fixed... i want to be able to just buy a whole new car if something goes wrong! ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: JRDO
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 5:37pm
|
Jr. there is one thing that there is no doubt in my mind you should do, it is: when we have finished commenting on this thread, you should print the whole thing out and put it some where safe, with your photos or something , it will be a really cool read in 10 years, you won't regret doing it.
I know a couple who look after a maori owned camp ground in northland, they do not have much money but in my opinion, they are very rich, they live an amazing but humble life in an amazing place and have many friends. So try not to get hung up on the dollars thing. ------------- BANNED from doing anything about anything anymore. |
Posted By: yellowfin hunter
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 5:42pm
| i agree jrdo ,, well put money is the ruanation of the world ? i swap cray fish for my perents love ? mwahahaha |
Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 5:50pm
| Ok so you want to be rich aye? Simple: Go to ausie and work in the mines for a year or two. That will start you off nicely, and once your bored of that go find something you enjoy doing. |
Posted By: Andr'e
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 6:44pm
|
mines is a good idea, then a fishing boat off darwin,then come back and build your empire with rental propertys and land ------------- miss by an inch miss by a mile |
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 6:51pm
|
yea ok.. i see about how you guys say do something you love. but i have always seen myself when im older as being someone who has the maserati, wears the calvin klein etc. and i no that with money i can make my own fun and i wont just be working to live i will be working to make it better and go anywere i want and do what ever i want and if iam only just making a living i am a lot more limited with what i can do... this is were the problem is because i dont know if i should do something that i enjoy and live great or do something not so fun and live excellent in the long term..... because i no that when i have the money it will make everything eaiser and a lot better and can do more things because i could have a launch and a good trailer boat not just the crapy little tinny from the paddock, but then again i no that i would enjoy my job better for my whole life over the dumb pen-pushing office job! that is what im stuck with..... and i bet none of you guys would say that you dont want anymore money at all! i bet most of you guys buy lotto tickets! because u all want those big bucks!!!!!! haahah yes i will have to print this off and look back ;) ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 7:24pm
| Of course most people want more money, but you can give up a lot to chase the bucks. Lifestyle isn't the same as being rich. I'd rather have a Toyota Corolla and spend the Maserati money on spearfishing |
Posted By: Andr'e
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 9:13pm
|
dont have a girlfriend, that wil save u a buck or 2 ------------- miss by an inch miss by a mile |
Posted By: mac the knife
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 9:31pm
|
1. Don`t turn your hobbie into your job. 2. People with degrees are employed by people without degrees ( who`s making the money?) ------------- when that shark bites....!!! |
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 9:35pm
|
so what ur just sying i should drop out and ill do better???? no i think u got that wrong! ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: DeKay
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 10:17pm
|
Great thread jr.spero. I am IT spearo. When I was at school I never thought IT was a career. I ended up working in theatre, stage management, circus. The pay was cr ap. IT pays well but the people are not as exciting as the bearded ladies and acrobatic dwarves from my old jobs. My study advice is : MONEY! No matter what you do, which career(s) you choose, you will have to deal with money. Tax, GST, limited companies, expenses, budgets, estimations, ACC, resources, travel, log books, ledgers.... You should learn to manage money no matter what you do for your job. Take one economics or finance course each year. Even if you learn half the material it will make you more money. |
Posted By: TheSnapperWhisperer
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 10:54pm
|
'i have always seen myself when im older as being someone who has the maserati, wears the calvin klein etc'
Dude, not trying to attack you, but that is just the lamest statement. You want things that the public is manipulated into wanting by slick marketing and clever exploitation of your emotions - especially envy, which is the sadest and most destructive emotion of them all. When you have your maserati, you will then want a 50 metre yacht and a $10 M house on the cliff. Then you will want a private jet and a blonde or two to go with it. If you want the things that you are told you should want (someone will always tell you what you want because someone selling these things makes someone else rich), then you will never run out of people to sell you something, and that very fact means that you will never be happy, because you will always want more.
I have many very wealthy clients and the more I get to know them, the more I realise that their happiness is not in the least bit related to their wealth. I have some very beautiful friends who have made me realise that happiness is also unrelated to how pretty they are.
Whilst you want the Calvin Kleins and a Maserati, You need a pair of jeans from the Warehouse and a 20 year old Toyota Corolla. Stoppoing to appreciate that a 20-year old Corolla got you somewhere to go out for a dive without breaking down is just as much enjoyment as feeling above others by driving in your maserati!
Finally, all the wealthy guys I know work just as hard as me, if not harder. One reason why is because they all have at least one ex-wife to support.
Good grief.
------------- http://www.facebook.com/TheSnapperWhisperer |
Posted By: JRDO
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 11:27pm
|
Maserati! Lame!!!! at least lust for something that looks good! Calvin Klein, only the boxers!!!
Form four has changed so much since I was there, not even that long ago!!! All I wanted was a new skateboard every time I broke mine! ------------- BANNED from doing anything about anything anymore. |
Posted By: kuuni
Date Posted: 21 Aug 2008 at 11:45pm
| +1 Reid. Eloquent as usual. |
Posted By: vP
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2008 at 9:46am
| Good Call Snapper Whisperer I could not agree more! |
Posted By: yellowfin hunter
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2008 at 11:25am
|
? how old are ya jr ? at your age ya shouldnt be to woried about money ? or the type of job your seen doing ? only in new zealand do people judge your iq by the job you do ? hell kid i got my ducati selling hooter ? so dose that make me a low life dealer , or a clever **** for not geting caught ? im sure some one is gunna have a bite over that last comment ? coz after all kiwis are judgers,, mwahahaha |
Posted By: yellowfin hunter
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2008 at 11:27am
|
eneyways ,, im going to the alldys in about 10 mins ? for an afternoon snoop ? ,, c u |
Posted By: The Jester
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2008 at 11:39am
|
Very intersting comments people. I am in a simerlar situation to Jr as I am at 4th form and will be doing a mix of NCEA lvl 1 and 2 subjects next year (I did lvl 1 maths, eng and sci this year). I have been thinking about jobs/uni for a while now. However all I really know is that it will be somthing to do with the sea/boats. Becoming a Naval Architect has interested me (like Terry Reid, Scott Robson, Alan Walker). The Aquaculture industry is also interesting though. |
Posted By: Phantom Menace
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2008 at 12:17pm
|
Interesting thread this! A little more philosophical than many others on the forum (except those threads that get to the conservation and ethics of fishing side of things).
I agree with TSW - other things (not just money) are what makes life real! For me it is my family - my wife and kids - coupled with friends and recreational stuff. (That being said, you DO need a certain amount of money to support a lifestyle.)
Life is full of compromises really.
On the career front - it is possible to have a great lifestyle in NZ and not be hugely wealthy.
I work in IT but don't spend my day sitting in front of a PC - in fact I spend BIG chunks of time out talking to people, discussing their business and how we can help improve it. This is what keeps me interested!
If you have an interest in IT and business then I recommend considering it as a career option. It offers a range of roles from deeply technical through to sales and management that generally pay reasonably well and also provides potential for those with an entrepreneurial bent as well (although I have seen this cost people there marriages sometimes).
Over the years I have lived and worked in Asia, the US and Australia - and been paid pretty well for it too (while also avoiding the worst of the corporate career ladder bollo cks IMHO).
I have worked in technical, management and sales roles and have (on the whole) ejoyed them all. (and yes, I did start out looking at Marine Biology as an option - changed taack after my first year at Uni)
I live and work in NZ by choice because of the lifestyle options (and yes, I live in Auckland, but in a global context Auckland offers a great lifestyle - if you are into sea-related stuff!)
IT salaries in NZ range from around $40k or so as a graduate to $200k + in senior management and sales roles (and then there are those who have built there own IT-related business as well). And of course you can earn more overseas.
One of the potential down-sides is that you can get tied to working in the large(ish) cities - although I also know some people who have built there own niches and can live and work remotely (i.e. by the beach!)
BTW - I have compromised on a couple of career-related things over the years because of family and lifestyle drivers but am also living comfortably - with the boat, holidays by the beach etc. BUT I don't drive a Maserati or wear Kalvin Klein underwear! (and I don't have all the latest and greatest spearfishing toys either).
Here ends the rant!
|
Posted By: redfox
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2008 at 3:08pm
|
To get the schweet jobs at NIWA etc. you're going to be looking at more than just doing a bachelors degree, you're looking masters and phd. Which means you're gonna be stuck on sh i t money for ages and come probably wind up as a lecturer further down the line. Mint. I've nearly finished both an aquaculture degree and a business degree at AUT and can say that the aquaculture has been more or less a complete waste of time, you'd be better off doing the diploma at Mahurangi for what you learn. I think the best go would be to just get something behind you, be this a trade, tertiary qual. or whatever then see where you drift. I've got no idea what I'm going to do next year so will probably just cop out and get some marketing job in the city so I can go overseas. A cool thing could be to get you skippers tickets and go work on millionaires boats where it's warm.
I think you should just lean back and have fun at school while you can...it's mean really, you see your mates every day, sleep in and do stuff all!!
|
Posted By: SeaCamel
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2008 at 4:45pm
|
forget the uni pathway if you want to make money. If money is your first priority then drop out asap and put your effort into something else. To get the things you aspire a good paying job isn't enough unless you cut wife, children, etc ... with a wife/children combo and a good paying job you'll still end up with a mortgage, a van, golden retriever, white picket fence, lif in suburbia, etc... what you want is a really good paying job!!! people with university degrees get that kind of money only if they run their own business or operate in the grey area of the law. Starting a business after uni is going back to square one and doesn't require a cv unless you like sending it to yourself. financially you'll be much better off if you start working after school and you'll have a paid off house by the time somebody with a phd enters the workforce with a lower income than yours... the armed forces are not a bad place to go to. you can pursue education there as you climb up the ranks. with combat experience you can work as a mercenary for private contractors at 300K a year with 1 month vacation for every 3 months you work. I have a friend who is with the navy now after studying physics. his stories sound more like holiday camp. then again that won't buy you a trophy wife, car, boat, house, etc either so you better be really smart or ruthless to get all of that at an age where it's worth something! ------------- Many a mickle makes a muckle |
Posted By: spearo_steve
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2008 at 5:06pm
|
Bring Rich doesn't necessarily mean you make lots of money. I tend to think of myself as being rich as I have worked myself into a situation where I have a lot of options as well as a great deal of satisfaction from my current lifestyle.
If you're looking for a career path then the best thing to do is start talking to people about what they do and see what resonates with you. For instance who would have thought that a Valuer would be so well paid and have so much time for diving? Some Lawyers would tell you that you have to really enjoy being a Lawyer to put up with the long hours and constant bull****e. Some guys can talk you ear off about the satisfaction of testing blood. I can give you twenty reasons why being an Engineer makes sense. And others will tell you that anything will do so long as it pays the bills until you launch the big business initiative.
If you find something that you enjoy doing then you'll be able to work hard at getting good at it. You'll also appreciate what you get paid for doing it as money won't be the motivator. You'll be able to clearly see your future options as the job will be part of your natural lifestyle. And if you're successful in your chosen career path you should be able to make enough money to dive on the weekends and enjoy that too.
So, to summarise, start talking to people about their careers, see if it inspires you and do what you will get some enjoyment from doing.
|
Posted By: Red Rob
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2008 at 5:28pm
Low life dealer me thinks....
Jr, scroll through this topic and pick the posts from people who can actually construct a legible sentence. Take your advice from those. Communication skills will take you far. No-one is going to take your business proposals or job applications seriously if presented in text speak or just plain horrendous English. Fact of grown up life.
Then go pour yourself a nice big cup of reality. Unless you win the lottery, big money comes with very hard work, not compatible with spending all your days hunting fish.
Generation Y... Jaysus! |
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 22 Aug 2008 at 6:11pm
|
my point still stands!!! i bet u guys would still want more money though if u could have it! i bet if u won 20mill u wudnt give it all away! ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: o_0
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2008 at 6:42pm
|
jr. I choose to not get the money. I was in IT. Job I loved. Lots of money, good hours, enjoyed going to work, travelled, worked overseas, the lot. Then started a family and wondered what life was all about. Is making good money and enjoying yourself enough? What was I doing to make the world a better place for my kids? Chucked it in. Went to half the money, teaching IT to kids like you and loving it. On your deathbed I bet you don't spare a moments thought for the fancy underwear or the cars you had. Don't get hung up on a career path. Just work hard and try your best in everything that you do. Build habits to be successful. Get organised with your school work. Do your homework. Try and get more than the minimum from your classes and your projects. Get a part time job. Try a few things. Do whatever interests you. Enjoy your school years. Don't get a loan ever. Unless it's for a house. Work through uni or further study to avoid student loans. Try to get out of your education positive financially. Save 10% of everything that you earn. Exercise. Dive. Don't get anyone pregnant. Remember that the best girlfriends don't necessarily make the best wives. Chances are you will change your career many times. So don't fuss the choices so much, just try and be successful at whatever you choose to do. |
Posted By: Minksta
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 11:06am
|
haha are you even more confused now than before you put this post up jr?
Just pick something and do it mate, youre still young so have plenty of time to find what it is that you really wanna do! Dont limit yourself to one thing get out there into the big wide world and have a look around.
Bottom line is money is great but its not everything, something you will realise when you are sent off to fend for yourself.
|
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 5:10pm
|
o_0 you know your onions! Same as TSW. You guys have the Zen thing going! I earn bugger all, get great holidays, have a wonderful wife and family, and love my diving. Sure, more money would make it easier, but I'm not prepared to make compromises, especially morally and ethically to do that.
As for this thread, I just love being taken to task by 12 yr olds! Go Jr Spero!!! |
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 6:38pm
|
im almost f*u*k*n 16 im not a baby!!!!! yes minksta iam lol aye i even kept my sheet of what we are gunna take next yr and it was due on friday... and now i want to go off this but can some1 just sae the what 3 i should take out of these that would be the best for some marine thing!... economics, accounting, art, geo, history, computers... ok mabey two i think ill still take the art ok so out of the others? ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: NZTurtle
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 6:39pm
|
1. Save 10% of what ever you earn.
2. Do what you enjoy. Funnily enough, you'll find you are best at the things you like doing.
3. You will have to compromise so you need to understand the world to make sure you make good decisions - any mistake means a learning experience no matter how badly you screwed up. Don't miss the lesson or one's other people have (free/no pain...).
4. Money means more when you're young. A hell of a lot of things mean more when you are older and you dont usually realise that until its too late.
5. I have more true friends who are life rich people than financially rich people - go figure? ------------- http://www.legasea.co.nz" rel="nofollow"> 
|
Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 6:42pm
|
None of those are any good. Just make sure you pass NCEA next year and you will be ok. |
Posted By: Paul M
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 7:43pm
| Learn to spell dumb ass. If you can go through school to age 16 without learning to spell you must be a screw up. |
Posted By: squidman
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 8:14pm
| Paul M why is it you're constantly pre-menstrual? |
Posted By: Paul M
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 8:45pm
|
Cause I can be James..... sorry for picking on the dumb ass, but seriously tell me he doesn't deserve it
Whats your fixation on menstruation anyway
 |
Posted By: Fizzlesticks
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 9:09pm
| Yep, Jr. has become a bit lippy lately. I reckon Keriboi is onto it or else he's just learnt how to toe it down the shower drain. Either way he's certainly changed from the meek little boy that turned up at the nationals. |
Posted By: Fizzlesticks
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 9:19pm
Whoops should have read the other thread first  definitely the first surmise
|
Posted By: SeaCamel
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 9:33pm
|
this generational conflict is really enjoyable if you envision it as a musical with this tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ogQ0uge06o and this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbM9EP2G0LM as different themes for each side. ------------- Many a mickle makes a muckle |
Posted By: o_0
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 9:42pm
| Choose IT. It works with anything. |
Posted By: yellowfin hunter
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 9:50pm
if ya almost 16 , and cant spell i would not worry , hell im 25 and still cant spell , try reading some of my posts ,  you are to young to get into the mines for now but moving into water well drilling as a ***** on a drill rig hear in nz you would likley start on 50-60k per year , and it only goes up. once ya turn 18 , you can then transfure and lurn more about the core side of things and head towards the mines , as a trainee you get around the 100k mark hear in nz ? i threw my degree out the window and had a go drilling ? I absolutey love it . and the moneys heaps better , |
Posted By: snapslayer
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 10:08pm
|
jr get a job at a gassy or Mc's save your money, buy some Quota, have a life and work when you need too. wish I had of. I get 4- 5 days a week out at sea and I love it. Not a glory job but come and give it a go. Work experience will give you a bigger and better picture of life. Work hard and play harder It's always worked for me. If you can make money and enjoy doing it you're half way there. work wouldn't be called work if it was fun but it helps if it is enjoyable
|
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 10:42pm
|
thanks Paul M i really deserve to be called a dumb ass just because i cant spell because spelling is such a major and its such a crime to not be able to spell properly. well i think u must be a dip-stick because you have a spinnig box for your display picture.... your more pathetic than me because i no lots of people who cant spell for crap (yellowfin hunter) and at least theres lots of people who cant spell, but really how many people on here have u seen with a 'dumb ass' spinning box for there display picture! ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: kuuni
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 12:22am
|
jr.spero stop getting all defensive and hung up on people's comments - if you don't like what they're saying ignore them. Spelling does matter because it makes it harder to read if you don't use punctuation and capitals - nobody expects you to be letter perfect but show a little respect. Your writing gives me headaches. |
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 7:11am
| You shouldn't even be on this forum Matthews, what a dork with an avatar like that |
Posted By: Paul M
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 7:57am
|
True, Ive real got real problems with Avatar selection, when I was trying to get my NCEA catch up credits in avatar selection I just goofed around, I guess its all my own fault.
|
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 8:07am
| Avatar selection and spelling are pre-entry requirements for the Nationals this year. Ennywaan hooo wontz hilp jarst conatc mie |
Posted By: yellowfin hunter
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 9:19am
|
jr , to start with i thought paul m was another paul m and that you should probley make freands with him coz you could get **** loads of info from him ? however it is not the short arse legend yarpy , from what i can gather , so you got noten to gain jr ? he can probley only shoot butters and red moki . dont loose eney sleep over it bro , |
Posted By: TheSnapperWhisperer
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 9:34am
|
Hmmm. DD, peepel like yu are you too blam for hour ****rys deklyn into having disproporshinitely high numbres of labor votres hoo wind up like yellofun hugga. if yoo carnt communikat yoo carnt lurn to thinke form other peepel hoo can. of coarse if yoo dont need to lurn form others then yule be fin aneway. in yore job cleaning the streets. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/TheSnapperWhisperer |
Posted By: spearo_steve
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 9:41am
| Mate, get into IT, work hard, design a spell check for forums, you'll make millions! |
Posted By: yellowfin hunter
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 9:49am
|
hay man maybe i can't spell. I am still trying , look back at some of my older posts , I am trying dude. and you see the way kiwis judge strikes once again , , besides that ? you poled much over tirua reacently ? |
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 10:14am
|
I lurn my wirds from da taging wen I cleen da streats. Prowd of it to.
Actually, I don't care much about spelling - communication is the name of the game, as long as we all understand each other. I do think you sometimes have to acknowledge some people have a better knowledge of a subject than others. If you don't take on that advice, often it won't be shared again. As the saying goes, "better to keep your mouth closed and appear an idiot than to open it and remove all doubt" |
Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 10:26am
|
It seems you all have Cabin fever.
I'll step up to the plate for being moderator while LJ is in tonga
|
Posted By: Diver Dan
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 10:32am
|
Check this out - this has been the last 3 months here. At home with flu - cabin fever? Yep!
http://www.marineweather.co.nz/reports/index.php?regionid=27 |
Posted By: Azazel
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 10:34am
|
Learn to communicate clearly. No matter what you do, that's a requirement. Like many people, I have little desire to try and decipher badly communicated thoughts. Also learn to take criticism, there's a lot you can learn from others. Paul, I was waiting for you to chime in here! It was only a matter of time... |
Posted By: Rusky
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 10:39am
VERY Sad!
 |
Posted By: o_0
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 11:23am
| kids these days txt and instant message. In these forums speedy communication is the key and spelling is not a concern. Spelling like everything has its place. Modern communications (some of them) are speed based and as such accurate spelling is not important. It's just different tools teaching different priorities. jnr is living in this world and has decided that he wants to post quickly rather than accurately. No major =) |
Posted By: spearo_steve
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 12:42pm
| I disagree. It may be no major for the young fella to type up a collection of acronyms and throw a few commas in there willy nilly, but for the rest of us it take a lot longer to read and establish what message he is trying to convey. This means that people like myself are more likely to skip his contribution and move on to the next one which renders his short effort pointless in the first place. Keep the text lingo on your phone to your mates and try to write something more legible here if you want people to take you seriously. Sorry Yellowfin Hunter, that goes for you as well mate. |
Posted By: yellowfin hunter
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 1:35pm
 I am trying to better myself , no tears shed spearo_steve
|
Posted By: TheSnapperWhisperer
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 2:25pm
|
The commercial reality is that people will judge you very harshly based upon your English. We just laugh at and bin CV's if they are poorly written. Anyone wanting to progress above entry level in a scientific, management, or professional field, really does need to be able to spell and punctuate to a reasonable standard. A few exceptions exist, I'm sure, but communication skills are something that employers are very conscious of. We have 'failed to encourage people to stay' in the past because of their poor English. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/TheSnapperWhisperer |
Posted By: David C
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 4:17pm
|
I have to admit, I do find it quite hard to read some of your posts yellowfin  You should download Mozilla Firefox. Its a web browser like internet explorer but better, it has a built in spell checker which shows a little red line under the word if the spelling is incorrect, just like Microsoft word or any other word processor. Then you can just right click on the word and it gives you the correct spelling. Its good for typos  http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firefox-3.0.1&os=win&lang=en-US - link Mite help you out a bit? Or you could download the spell check software for this forum by clicking the little 'ABC' button while your typing your message. |
Posted By: TheSnapperWhisperer
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 4:31pm
|
it doesnt werk ------------- http://www.facebook.com/TheSnapperWhisperer |
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 4:39pm
|
hi again everyone, of corse i can spell but o_0 is 100% right, spelling does not mean anything to me on here so of corse i just write bad, its the same in msn and txting and emails etc. but when im doing somthing formal it will be neat! and i cant be blamed about it and saying I shouldnt be writing like that, even if you guys care that it is bad i dont my way is alot more quicker and spelling is not going to matter to much in the future as most things these days are done on the computer and formated in word and programs in the working industry are like word and will have spell check because no one wants mistakes anymore. Just beause you guys are older and u hate all this lingo well really thats your problem because i am most certian that you will end up seeing it more in the future, so i think your should apply yourselves and start to learn before it all catches up on you. Yellowfin dont worry about your spelling its not our fault we can understand two different styles of writing and they cant so dont worry about their complaining. and people dont just look over the posts and just skip them, like for an example look at this whole topic me and yellowfin have commented in alot of it and it alredy has got 5 pages! ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: JRDO
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 4:49pm
|
Jr. you tiprat stop whining
------------- BANNED from doing anything about anything anymore. |
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 4:53pm
|
oi this aint whining im just pointing out a fact! everyone else does it! how is that whinging? ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: TheSnapperWhisperer
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 4:55pm
|
' its not our fault '
I guess that sums up the attitude of the generation. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/TheSnapperWhisperer |
Posted By: kens
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 4:57pm
well if you want people to help you with some advice it seems a pretty stupid thing to give them **** when they give you advice that you don’t like. How are the people you have asked supposed to answer your question when they can’t understand what you are writing? Learn to communicate effectively, no matter what your mates are telling you txt speak is not an effective communication method for complex subjects. ------------- The past, the present and the future walked into a bar. It was tense. |
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 5:01pm
|
no its not our fault people invented cell phones and computers etc..... adults are always quick to blame bcuz they are older they all ways think they are so much smarter.... like you should see my nana she thinks shes right about everything... kids hate it kuz we are probly smarter than any of you guys id like to see you guys go back to school!!! you guys will all think you so smart but trust me you arnt! ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: TheSnapperWhisperer
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 5:06pm
|
But sometimes people who think they know it all have learned that from experience. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/TheSnapperWhisperer |
Posted By: David C
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 5:06pm
 Or do you mean the link? Its working fine for me? |
Posted By: kens
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 5:07pm
|
He he he, what you forget grasshopper is that all us old farts have allready been teenagers, we have grown up and discovered that we didnt know it all back then, one day you will too. ------------- The past, the present and the future walked into a bar. It was tense. |
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 5:10pm
|
see!!! why do random people who are never on here come in and comment!!!! because adults always have somthing to say and its usually to try and out shame someone! and ive alredy had help and was being kind as you should of seen if u bothered to read all the posts! and thn sum1 alwaes has to be a smart ass and everyone i no i sound like a D i K but its ture cant kids be accepted for anything and seen as equal! like one of the very first posts i put on here was askn for begginner help and the irst thing that was said was stay n school etc. cant i be a young spearo or somthing i havnt seen any of u guys say stuff like that to other new people, just be cause my name obviously gave away that im young dosnt mean i should be treated any different! ------------- "is it dead?" |
Posted By: kens
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 5:17pm
|
Mate, I read through the whole thread thinking I could give you some pointers, once you started bashing on those who were trying to help I made my comments, you will go a lot further in life if you learn to bite your tongue now and then. You will find that most people are willing to help you, there will always be a few assholes throughout your life so you need to deal with it, but to bleat on that we are a bunch of know nothing old farts tends to put me off pretty quickly. ------------- The past, the present and the future walked into a bar. It was tense. |
Posted By: jr.spero
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 5:22pm
|
i didnt bash on peolpe hu were tryn to help me! just on the assholes and now because i did it every1 bashing on me ------------- "is it dead?" |