PR KNOT newb....
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Topic: PR KNOT newb....
Posted By: Kezza
Subject: PR KNOT newb....
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 8:09am
OK.....I've only tied 6 PR knots now and think i've got them pretty sweet after an awesome tutorial from Marcus at WS Lauries....anyhoo....just checking what the pros are doing....or even one of the Kapiti Kids will do in the event that no pros are available... 1) When starting the PR knot do you go down toward the leader end (if so how long should this be?) then wrap back over and continue on up toward the leader tag end? 2) what is the recommended length of braid locks/twists around the leader for 30lb braid and 60lb supple leader? and does this change for varying line weights? 3) how many half hitches before the leader tag end? 4) how many half hitches over the mainline? 5) and how many Rizzuto finishing loops before pulling up tight? all questions I should have asked Marcus, but was too blinded by the bling. cheers y'all!! |
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Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 8:13am
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1) 8-10ishcm
2)as many as you think looks pretty
 3)as many as you think looks pretty
4)as many as you think looks pretty
5) 5-6 turns in the loop seems to pull it up nice and tight
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 8:29am
| was kinda hoping that a Jigging Master or two would respond, but I guess a Drunken Master will do in this case!......thanks hommie!! |
Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 8:48am
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Hi Kezza,
Have you seen this tutorial?
http://www.jigsdirect.com/eMerchantPro/pc/fishing_knots.asp - http://www.jigsdirect.com/eMerchantPro/pc/fishing_knots.asp
On the lighter braids such as the 30lb you mention, you should remove the centre pin in the bobbin reel.
Anyway, Chris' pics explain it very well.
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 9:09am
that is gold thank you Choppy....and no I hadn't seen the tutorial!! 
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Posted By: Dirty Oar
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 9:13am
you cant even tie your own shoelace ya useless sod .... must be hard to tie knots with those hamfists 
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Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 9:19am
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it'll be hard for you to see and even breaves when said hamfists crush your girlish facial features in to a pulp auw..... ....now cook me some eggs!
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Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 9:22am
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Subtle Kezza, subtle. I'll bring the camera.
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Posted By: Bushpig
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 9:27am
You know when you are rafted to Diversity Saturday week, there is no where to run and hide don't you? ------------- I would rather laugh with the Sinners, than cry with the Saints |
Dirty Oar wrote:Posted By: Dirty Oar
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 9:29am
also gotta catch me first ...i got a black belt in running ! plenty a places for me to hide ..... you must remember im as thin as a boarding house blanket .... i can lock myself in cupboards ..... engine rooms ... storeage lockers... i have conveniently stashed supplies to last me a few days and keep my ring piece safe from bad men like you and Kezza |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 9:32am
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wow...at least some reasonable info came out in this thread before DirtyMouth got involved....
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Posted By: Bushpig
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 9:38am
You should be more worried about step daddy Squid. ------------- I would rather laugh with the Sinners, than cry with the Saints |
Posted By: Dirty Oar
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 9:42am
good point Bushy ... he the worst a the lot ! |
Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 9:55am
Indeed Kezza and perhaps its timly to remind our little potty mouth that this is a serious section and he should close his handbag and go home.
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Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 10:19am
Kezza, I'd prefer a 'tough trace' if using a uni knot to the solid ring. Less chance of the knot tightening up too much and crushing/cutting off on the solid ring whilst under load. Especially as some small solid rings are more like washers-flat and sharp. I find this is the go on 80lb gear anyway. Just thought I'd mention. 
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Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 10:22am
if you use a lumo thimble you wont have any problems with knots pulling through the solid ring, you will also be able to see the damage that kingies sandpaper mouths are doing to the thimble and not your knot 
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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 11:15am
farken classic
with these knots etc is it really needed? i dont tie em so dont know the benefits ------------- Ultimate GAME Fishing Adventures. Northland |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 11:51am
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certainly a strong and thin diameter connection and for me at least one that I'd only tie up in preperation for an uncoming trip rather than one out there on a pitching boat.....
What are the experienced guys doing if your PR needs replacing out on the water?
it's taking me around 7 minutes to tie up the PR knot with my limited experience, but I think I'm doing them way too long - so with a bit more practise and refinement should be able to get it down sub 5mins.....is this about right?
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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 12:12pm
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practice makes perfection or so im told. should be able to get it down to 3-4min, just make sure that the end of the bobbin is touching the knot the whole time you are spinning it, you should feel the leader trying to twist in your hands.If the bobbin is not hard against the trace when spinning you need to put an extra wrap around the bobbin arm.I use 5-6 turns usually for PE8 braid. Easy to tie on boat at sea, just dont leave bobbin somewhere that it can roll away and through scuppers  -------------  www.kavemantackle.co.nz
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Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 1:13pm
I took this photo a wee while ago on the macro setting on my new camera. You can see on the inside of the solid ring that the 150lb Penn 10x is starting to go. Mind you, it had caught numerous Kingies to 20 kgs with the same PR knot used for 4 trips! I used to use thimbles and all that, but really it isn't needed IMHO. You can also use protection
 , such as plastic sleeving double wrapped around the solid ring. Again, too much fuss whilst out in the field IMHO. Apologies if this is slightly off topic but I have cabin fever bad.  |
Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 1:25pm
no but they look good
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Posted By: kingphin
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 4:57pm
| I'm using weights attached to the top of my bobbin, any of you cats into this also. |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 5:04pm
the assist leader knot without protetcion is OK for 20kg Kings but the 30+kg Kings will surely punish you for your lack of respect. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 5:10pm
I generally replace the PR knot each night - unless I've hit the turps a bit early. Have to replace the leader if coutas have flossed up the leader too much. No probs tying in a pitching boat. 3-4 min is OK for experienced guys. Total knot lenght can be from 5-12cm, depends on line weight. Really, its what looks RIGHT.
Keep practising using the proper PR bobbin and keep everything TIGHT. ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 8:01pm
Totally agreed on that. I'm hoping to venture into BIG fish waters somewhere this season. I'll be crimping/thimbaling for sure.
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Posted By: seansurfy
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 8:57pm
| big fish and heavy drag will expose any weakness in your tackle |
Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 9:09pm
Harden up P.Sport crimping and thimbals whats wrong with the system you already use "it will smash 30kg+" Whats wrong with using extra long leader and retieing your uni every 4-5 fish or 2-3 fish depending on the size of the beasts or just when it gets ROOTED We talked about the solid rings remember FORGET THOSE FLAT SOLID/RINGS and as for 150lb leader how many K's will it take to smash you in the rocks? or snakes to bite you off? to get you to use 210+
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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2008 at 11:38pm
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150lb is plenty if you have the drag to stop the fish,thimbles are a must ------------- Live Bait , the Lance Armstrong of catching KINGFISH |
Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2008 at 4:09am
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Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2008 at 8:30am
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Torcea!. Welcome back, did you see Murf on yer travels?? How much was the Torcea and who stocks them? What ratio? Cheers for the advice as usual. I 've had no problems so far on the 150lb, so I'll keep using the spool I've got. .
This is Pro Sport signing off on this thread...
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Posted By: Dohboy
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2008 at 8:50am
| Kezza get hold of the latest jigging DVD that ChrisW has done.He goes through the PR knot step by step,,,, if you want to borrow mine just call Billy as he has it. |
Posted By: Kezza
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2008 at 9:13am
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cheers Deano.... ....The PR knot step by step guide on Chris' website was all good.....
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Posted By: phantomdeviant
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2008 at 12:27pm
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A bit late in the show here but I also found Chris W's tutorial on his site to be the ducks nuts. I'm happy with my PR knots although only been tested on rats ------------- Skirt Pulla |
Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2008 at 5:11pm
This is Arm Chair stuff at its best. |
Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2008 at 5:34pm
The Uni knot works just fine-If i have to Re-tie mine a 6 times a day then so be it It only takes 30seconds
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Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2008 at 7:02pm
The best protection is to not go fishing,then nothing can go wrong.
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Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2008 at 7:13pm
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Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2008 at 7:29pm
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Torcea these replies are slightly off topic....but wait,Dad wanted to hear a reply from the Kapiti Kids,so lets act like kids. Im telling on you He started it |
Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2008 at 7:37pm
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Im going to have to Drop Shark Bait a line and get him to show me how to make wind on's so i don't have to tie a PR knots anymore "stuff the basics" and crimp my solid rings to my leader to cater for those 30kg Beasts "Mana Island" is holding right now ....
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Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2008 at 7:45pm
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Bugger that T,it would be easier to go out and buy a nice reclining lazy boy,pop it in front of your computer and armchair yourself into the Guru of Fame
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Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2008 at 7:54pm
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But thats not fishing thats DREAMING....
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