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Topic: fish on the sounder
Posted By: mozz
Subject: fish on the sounder
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 8:42am
Starting to get the hang of my flash colour sounder and really identify the kings to elimate time jigging "Dead water"
 
When you mark a big school of kings on the sounder that takes up 20+m of water from the bottom are you guys just jigging through the whole school or focusing on the bottom 5-10m where the big boys hang?
I have always got bigger fish on livies when they are really close to the bottom even if the school is showing alot higher up so just wondering if this is a way to eliminate those pesky rats and get into the HUA sized kings. if this is the case is it more a thing of 5-10 cranks and drop back down or what?
 
thoughts please



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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 9:33am
It is hard knowing just how deep your jig is unless you are using a coloured braid like Jig star.  The bottom is your reference, we always drop to the bottom then work upwards.  All/most of our targets are found in the bottom 20m so it makes sense then to concentrate your efforts to this column. If you don't get hits, jig higher then higher up the column.  If you are really energetic, you can jig all the way to the surface like in the old ways Dead.
 
Our last trip to the Ranfurly, skipper called out the marks on the sounder, often seen to be up to 50 -60m off the bottom.  We would jig all the way through these marks for zilch or a rat.  There is a lot of effort to jig 60m compared to 20m.
 
The big boys tend to be on/near the bottom.


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Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 11:05am
Mozz like chris said your sounder is a reference all- though i dont take my eyes of mine .If we see fish in a certain depth of water i just possition my boat in a way up current off course so i can watch my jig drop and stop approx in the same depth or close underneath and then watch the frenzy below MATE its better than sky Tv and its digital also last nite i made an observation something the wizard asked me cause his braid isnt coloured Q {how do i kno how far of the bottom am i } by the way he is another Torsa fan so i counted cranks like i always do Torsa is 5.8 ratio and 12 cranks of the handle is 10mtrs aprox depending on how fast the current is of course Like i say bruva its great veiwing and greaty adrenalinSmile watching what is going on below .

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Posted By: Boulder
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 11:40am
Interesting Torsa what sounder do you have? I can see my jigs and sp with the raymarine c120 and use Jigstar so I always know where my jig is

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Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 12:30pm
DS400X colour sounder raymarine ,it was the only colour sounder i could put on my console and still have room for my handheld.

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Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 12:37pm
Jimijig can you post photo of your sounder that day of all those K's i need motivating PLEASE

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Posted By: Matt Nolan
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 12:48pm
man i need a new sounder LOL mine bearly reads the bottom and then it cuts out at 80m
for me its all faith in the marks we got and we dont do to bad either LOL
 
torsa what sounder have u got bro?


Posted By: Matt Nolan
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 12:49pm
sorry i cant read haha
 
i might have to look into one


Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 1:21pm
Matt Nolan you cant buy my sounder anymore , you mite get one on import i paid about $650 but it has one disadvantage being an import it dosnt read in mtrs but the next model DS500x  is avaliable at B.City on special to bruva i think about $1000 which is cheap usually $1500 I think they are entry level sounders but again its not what it is its how you use it.Wink
 
 
What happened to you yesterday? jimijig said you were coming our way i was expecting a phone call


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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 2:23pm
The Furuno FCV620 is a sweet sounder can see jig's going down and comeing up ,easy to pick up fish makes for easy jigging, i dont drop if it aint lit up.

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Posted By: Matt Nolan
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 4:18pm
 What happened to you yesterday? jimijig said you were coming our way i was expecting a phone call
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TORSA,
yeah sorry bro... couldnt sus a crew and time... mate PM me you cell cause im gonna do a mish pretty soon....


Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 5:18pm
I agree with Chris... when you see kingis on the screen, I drop to the bottom, then work to about half way up. every 3rd crank, I bring it all the way to the top if no-one has hooked up (not very often that happens). By that time yuo are usually off the fish anyhow so it is time to circle around for anotehr shot.
 
Personally I think that the bigger kings roll over and hoon off after the jigs as they drop down thru the school, and then nail it on the way back up again. I think the rats tend to hold in denser masses nearer the top.
 
If you start getting bored with no hits down deep, it is always fun to bring the pack of rats to the back of the boat with shallow jigging, then at least you see all the fish and everyone, especailly the newbies, just have a blast seeing all the fish.
 
Finding the kings here at the moment seems to be a prob though... everyone I have talked to these last coupla days are cmplaining about the tons of bloody cudas out there still!
I agree though, a nice colour sounder is a marvellous tool. Be lost without mine!
cheers, Stu.


Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 7:42pm
Luv'n it...


Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 10:18pm
Geeez, I dunno mate, not a lot of sign on that sounder there! :-)
I will have to run those lat/longs thru google earth, see where it is! :-)
Cheers, thanks for the spot-X!! :-)
Stu.
 
Edit: Awwww, poot... it is just south of Kapiti fer petes sake. Sighhhh... so much for a new spot X! Ratsratsrats! :-)


Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2008 at 10:57pm
Stabijigger is that hunters ? that looks like a good temp on ya sounder bruva it was 20.4 surface at the Nth End yesterday Wink

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Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 12:21am
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Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 12:26am
Geeze you guys had better get your sounders looked at, that red can't be good for the screen

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Posted By: PimPmyPopper
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 12:46am
Originally posted by murf007 murf007 wrote:

Geeze you guys had better get your sounders looked at, that red can't be good for the screen
looks like that weather system passing over the country atm


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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 5:14am
That first shot in JIMI'S post gives me a rockin hard on.

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Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 8:04am
Its saturday morning and that photo got me goin i mite go fishin what time will we se you out there JTF

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Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 8:16am

Good luck today if your out there. yes, its hunters on 26/1.

Yes, NOT MUCH SIGN EH? -not quite on the spotsWink

 
The jimi signs look the biz. Can only imagine how many Kings there were that day..


Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 8:17am
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Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 8:21am
DEB want to jig up a snapper JT shes great a women after my own,Is Mr I coming up to dust of cobwebs?

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Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 8:31am
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Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 8:32am
LOL nice one.LOL


Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 8:35am
Originally posted by stellajigger stellajigger wrote:

That first shot in JIMI'S post gives me a rockin hard on.
 
Cam you really do need to get out more


Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 8:58am
True dat g

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Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 23 Feb 2008 at 3:52pm
Roll on some westerly winds up our way aye Cam.........Sorry Kapiti boys but there is some serious cabin fever happening up this way.
 
 


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Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 29 Feb 2008 at 9:25pm
Here is a photo of my sounder jimijig stirring the K's up at Sis 3a on the left is the zoom.

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Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2008 at 5:35am
some nice screen shots boys, have a simrad cx44 sounder, she is a doozy with a 1kw tranny, next time out i will try for some shots, am trying to figure out from your pics where the marlin are, you guys do know thats where its at ay. lol.

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Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2008 at 7:28am
Originally posted by Blue Asparagus Blue Asparagus wrote:

some nice screen shots boys, have a simrad cx44 sounder, she is a doozy with a 1kw tranny, next time out i will try for some shots, am trying to figure out from your pics where the marlin are, you guys do know thats where its at ay. lol.
sorry Bud no marlin in that photo we arnt blessed with BillFish down  this way Kingies is the best addrenalin we can find

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Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2008 at 7:34am
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Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2008 at 8:03am
Theres a whole lot of party time on that screen torsa!!!! looks mint


Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2008 at 8:53am
Originally posted by mozz mozz wrote:

Theres a whole lot of party time on that screen torsa!!!! looks mint
 
Mozz, Torsa and Jimi have their patch locked down with the use of their sounders and gps. This is after years of eperience. That screen represents some serious fun i can tell you! After being out with Torsa I've seen its possible to track fish and your jig and find spots that hold different fish like Snapper. It was an eye-opener for me. With all their success, they are still generous with sharing their knowledge and wisdom, whilst practising/preaching conservation in regard to their 'back yard'.
 
Thanks guys.  Thumbs%20Up


Posted By: studio1
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2008 at 9:39am
what transducer/mount are you guys running with the Furunos? I've got the 585 w the 600w transom. Thinks its mounted too high at the mo (still Tobez) - she loses the bottom around 18knts.


Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2008 at 10:04am
Originally posted by studio1 studio1 wrote:

what transducer/mount are you guys running with the Furunos? I've got the 585 w the 600w transom. Thinks its mounted too high at the mo (still Tobez) - she loses the bottom around 18knts.
 
The boat shop mounted mine too high as well. i had to take it back and get them to shift it to the other side as well. Pissed me off. It was loosing the bottom and skipping on the slightest chop. is sweet now though. It even said in the instructions that it had to be mounted as far below the hull as possible on craft cable of over 35 knots. At first the bottom of the tranny was bearly in line witht the bottom of the hull. Its now mounted on a nylon pad. the bracket should not extend below the bottom of the hull.
It IS possible to have good readings at all speeds. No compromise. 


Posted By: Blue Asparagus
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2008 at 10:27am
cheers guys, good luck with the fishing, your certainly putting in the hard yards, marlin on a jig, hell why not i have heard of them having a crack at pink and white off the back of the knights while guys were trying for yellowfin.

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Posted By: studio1
Date Posted: 01 Mar 2008 at 10:34am
cheers stabi, got my boat on a work stand today...will do some fiddlin.




Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 25 Mar 2008 at 11:48pm
Finally had a chance ot get out on me own boat this weekend, out over the Cobra Rock area, and this is the sort of sign I am used to finding out there.... oh, and the gain is wound right down as well!

Stacks and stacks of kingies. We could see them everywhere under the boat. Jigs, SPs, they were climbing over everything. The big problem was trying to get the larger ones among the masses of rats. Best we could manage out of the scrum were only 20lbs max, but still took home enough to fill the smoker for the guys.

cheers, Stu.


Posted By: Memorymaker
Date Posted: 26 Mar 2008 at 7:31am
Buying a good brand sounder and a top transducer is the key, losing the bottom is just not an option in any form of the game, and I'm sure there are plenty of arguements but to be successful time and again it is an absolute must. My experience is that the big girls do come from nearer the bottom, however the entire school could be big girls and the jig/bait is just getting hit early. I don't often catch big kings amongst rats but have located bigger fish by sounding other areas which can be very close by.

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Posted By: pleasedelete
Date Posted: 27 Mar 2008 at 1:37pm
Mozz
 
With Our sounders , I have found the Kingi's to look very similar in appearance to the JRC screenshot of Capt Asparagus's. Maybe with more speckled Blue through the  shoal.As opposed to baitfish which have no Blue appearing. Sensitivity set to 85% or the black Squiggly Snapper sign.
 
I keep my depth range set manually to match our actual depth( autodepth is crap) and increase the sensitivity the deeper the  water gets....
 
And yep Better/Bigger  ones closer to the bottom I find.
 
I usually work only 20 30 m up from the bottom and then drop back down...again. mainly Cos I am a Lazy sod.Big%20smile


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Posted By: Marsli
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2019 at 1:57am
Hello
I'm looking for simrad cx44. Is Someone still have the display cx44 and want to sell? I will deal with him
Thank you


Posted By: Garry 23041
Date Posted: 21 Mar 2019 at 8:21am
On mine the bait will also be more a solid red and kings often seem to hang slightly above and to one side of the bait.

I always get the good feeling when I see the more broken sign starting to build off the back of the bait..

When I get a good group of kings they will be more separated and will be orange and show good arches or slashes.

All that said I have caught them over structure in clean water with nothing much showing on the sounder from time to time.
I wonder how far they come for a jig?

The best sign I ever saw was in 90m and it came up like mount Fuji almost all the way!
We pulled big snaps and kings on 300grm jigs and huge fish kept following them up over and over until we were basically stuffed.



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