Overheads V Fixed spool's
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Printed Date: 26 Jan 2026 at 6:20am
Topic: Overheads V Fixed spool's
Posted By: KeenAs
Subject: Overheads V Fixed spool's
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 12:00pm
OK. . . so i have decided to start the process of aquiring some decent jigging gear for having a crack at Dirty ol' Kings. Totally new to jiggin'.........
What are the pro's n cons of the two reel options?. . . over head/fixed spool
I have had a quick gander through past pages and can't seem to find anything existing pertaining to my question.
So opinionate/advise away gent's
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Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 12:19pm
Fixed spools are for unco aussies and seppos
Overhead all the way. apart from more drag out of the spinning reels I dont see any advantage to them
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Posted By: Espresso
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 12:37pm
I must concur with the Mozz...overhead all the way for deep jigging you can feel a hit on the way down more easily, and there are some wickedly fast retrieving reels around. Of course you'll have a fixed spool onboard for the surface retrieving option (popper, piper etc) - so umm, I guess you need both 
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Posted By: sooshee
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 1:05pm
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I agree with Espresso on the advantages of overheads. Also wish to add there there is less issues with birdsnests during mechanical jigging (when you don't get the technique right).
IMHO, the advantages of spinning reels also include being able to cast easily into workups, and no need to use thumb for line laying, although the latter is not really a factor when jigging in shallow water with overheads.
Yeah we need both types of reel$$$
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Posted By: Nirai
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 2:41pm
I see you lot have been brain washed! Spin all the way! They cost a fraction more so I imagine that rules my friends above out. lol  One more thought for the day Japs use Spin reels! They do how ever make OH Jigging reels for the rest of the Euro Uneducated Jiggers! 
------------- "Gunrunner" Surtees 610 Game Fisher current *"Double Barrel" Seacat 635 "Good Riddance!" *"Seriola" Surtees 485 CC Retired with honours! |
Posted By: PimPmyPopper
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 3:31pm
GO THE STELLA!  ------------- Who Stole my PoPcoRn! |
Posted By: Benk
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 3:32pm
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Conventionals. Cant break rods as easy, even good ones ay Nirai |
Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 4:22pm
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Pros and cons for both. After seeing a stella hooked to a blue marlin recently i think they are hard to beat. and that is hard to admit after i have given certain stella users a bit of a hard time lately. Also of note the JM terminater rod handled the job extremely well. |
Posted By: Nirai
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 4:44pm
Hook Line & Jig just the way I like it!  ------------- "Gunrunner" Surtees 610 Game Fisher current *"Double Barrel" Seacat 635 "Good Riddance!" *"Seriola" Surtees 485 CC Retired with honours! |
Benk wrote:Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 4:47pm
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Santa missed my house last year when he was delivering Blue Heaven reels
So this year I am going to be extra good and hope I dont miss out
 http://www.jigsdirect.com/eMerchantPro/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=16&idproduct=2 - http://www.jigsdirect.com/eMerchantPro/pc/viewPrd.asp?idcategory=16&idproduct=2
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Posted By: Bunzo
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 5:39pm
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Try before you buy KeenAs, then buy a Stella
Try and get a trip or two in if you can and try both types of combos, not a cheap pastime for guessing wrong, mind you one outfit is never enough anyway
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Posted By: Nirai
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 5:44pm
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For those OH Jiggers there is one undeniable truth in favour fixed
spools. The sound they make when losing line, it is
cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
------------- "Gunrunner" Surtees 610 Game Fisher current *"Double Barrel" Seacat 635 "Good Riddance!" *"Seriola" Surtees 485 CC Retired with honours! |
Posted By: PimPmyPopper
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 6:00pm
thats for sure. The sound of a clicker just isn't the same.  ------------- Who Stole my PoPcoRn! |
Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 6:12pm
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Youve changed drew....i just went a brought a tiagra30 lrs and put it on a calstar kingi rod with a leather grip and 1 off single foot fuji silicoln guides in preperation for your assalt on the white island kingies and here you are on the jigging forum fraternizing with the metal slinging jiggers...no christmas cards this year... ------------- 2009 and 2010 BERKLEY SOFTBAIT COMP CHAMPS,Runner up 2013 ( solo),winner 2013/14 longest kingfish nz fishing competition |
Posted By: KeenAs
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 7:43pm
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I will be jiggin kings locally more often than at White.
Not sure whether i will make the White Island mission this year......
1) looks as though our suppliers from Germany will be here around that time...
2) I don't want to show ol Mozz up again
I totally agree with ya Narai. . . love the sound of fixed spools spewing line
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Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 8:23pm
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If you're a southpaw you're limited in the choice of overhead reels. You can't be a sissy and rest your spinner on the rails though. Then again, as mentioned, you don't have to handle the braid with a spinner. It's interesting to note that the Japanese gurus tend to like spinners but the Taiwanese guns prefer overheads. I think this is due in part to the different depths they both tend to fish in; with the Taiwanese jigging in much deeper water. ------------- CONFIDENCE: The feeling you have before fully understanding the situation. |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 8:26pm
ha ha ha more drag what more do you need
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Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 8:54pm
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I am a newbie to the jigging game. I have spent many years heavin sinkers into the tide for the beach so the idea of a egg beater made sence to me. Having just been through the jigging clinic it seemed that the over heads got to the bottom marginly faster, but that could have been the style and weight of jig. Drag pressure is a topic of some debate with the crank the drag up and the gentle as she goes method ( to a degree ) both having good arguements. The general drag setting was about 8 kgs for a start, as the recommended at the clinic. If you are thinking in dollars and cents you can get a combo Stella and T Curve for about $1250.00 or you can get a over head and top class rod from the likes of Jigging Master for slightly less.
At the end of the day go for what suits you, there are more than enough sheep in this world. As a newbie MHO is worth squat as there are many more qualified exponents in this form of fishing.
Good luck
Murf
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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 9:15pm
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Us spinners have got to stand up and be counted, after using both for 3 or so years i cant go past the stella more drag than you no what to do with, ease of jigging as you don't have to hold the reel upright, it just hangs there.I think in the end it's just what suits you as a individual.
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Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 9:41pm
| Yes go the Stella. Hangs below the rod nice. No line lay to bother with, wicked drag, good capacity, IDEAL RATIO and can be left hand retrieve. However, you are limited to the amount of leader the spool can hold/or thickness as it springs off the spool when you open the bail. 130/150lb 1.2mm 5 meter leader being good. On a overhead you could go up to 300lb like Jimi? Also, the Stella is 924 grams. This is slightly heavier than most overheads I think.. But is of no concern IMHO. Just my 2 cents. |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 9:48pm
| STELLA STELLA STELLA I'm so passionate about this reel if one asked me to jump of a cliff i would.Must mention when fighting a fish it is a lot easier when your front hand is not trying to lift the rod up but to pull the rod up as if you were hanging on monkey bars doing chin ups.That sound's a bit weird but i no what i meen.i think |
Posted By: KeenAs
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 9:58pm
Totally understand what your saying. .. which is of interest to me. i broke my neck some years ago and lost the use of my left arm for 5 months and it's never been the same since. certainly not as strong as it once was.. . .
Stella you say eh.....
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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:00pm
| Yeh yeh yeh |
Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:01pm
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handlines are where its at |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:10pm
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stay out of this jimy ,keen as is going to be a spinner, i will do my best to corrupt him.
i have hooked up on the drop but the only reason i knew is because the line stoped comeing off and i knew i was not at the bottom.valid point but stay away he's mine, and were going to the darkest side ever.ha ha ha har
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Posted By: KeenAs
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:12pm
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and if one did get nailed on the drop using a fixed spool it would, i imagine, be tricky getting the bail arm back over...no? |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:14pm
| um yer never mind that it's on they way back up that's where it's at. |
Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:14pm
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However, you are limited to the amount of leader the spool can hold/or thickness as it springs off the spool when you open the bail. 130/150lb 1.2mm 5 meter leader being good.
stabi, I was doing the same thing before the clinic...short leader because it tumbles off the spool. After some education!!!!!!!!!i now use a 15 meter leader. Solution to the over spooling issue.....................cut some braid off...........well I got rid of the nylon behind the braid. I still have over 300 meters of 80lb braid on spool and I am using 200lb leader that starts life at 15 meters. Not had an issue since, and if I get into a fish that spools me with all the drag I can apply and 300m or braid then good luck to that fish..
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Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:15pm
| you know what they say "you cant polish a turd" |
Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:16pm
| Go Cam |
Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:17pm
| One day I'm gunna get broadband oh and type faster |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:18pm
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why not you can drink piss |
Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:20pm
| On the drop? Using the Stella 20, the line just stops comming off the spool and you know, (you have to keep your eye on it), then flip over the crisp, super engineered bail arm. When the bail is open, an automatic brake is apllied to the rotor which keeps it from turning uneccessarily. I've heard the jig drops quicker using a spinner as there is no moving drum revoloving to let the line out. My jigs get hammered on the reef! |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:23pm
| thats thinking outside the square, well said Stabi-jigger |
Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:24pm
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Rage against the machine |
Posted By: Fissure
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:24pm
| Yeah Murf, that helps heaps-not having too much braid on the spool and to leave some room for the leader! I agree. Good advice. |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:26pm
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are you sure they were jigging scenes those asian's make some weird DVD's |
Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:35pm
| 30 second drop...and break away. |
Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 10:39pm
| O the west side of Aus doesn't count just like here, he he he |
Posted By: sooshee
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 11:29pm
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With the overhead, you can thumb the spool to vary the speed of the drop. You can't do that on the spinner. IMHO, slider style jigs can be made to drop faster by thumbing the spool to make the jig drop in a more vertical manner.
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Posted By: Bunzo
Date Posted: 29 Jan 2008 at 11:43pm
Some WA Sambo jiggers, 'Rail, what rail'  .
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Posted By: KeenAs
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2008 at 6:13am
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All good stuff fellas Leaning towards a Torsa 16/20...... opperative word, leaning
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Posted By: mozz
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2008 at 9:07am
you mean like this........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XOsxZHIzV0 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XOsxZHIzV0
too much drag and not enough weetbix
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Posted By: Nirai
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2008 at 9:40am
Hey Jim Its OK to be wrong! (I tell my wife this also. ) Flip bail let braid slip losely between fingers , no problem feeling pick up, but lets be honest that happens once in 100 drops. Both types have there pros & cons.P.S. I Like the text joke, but not as funny as the Wheelie Bin  SS ------------- "Gunrunner" Surtees 610 Game Fisher current *"Double Barrel" Seacat 635 "Good Riddance!" *"Seriola" Surtees 485 CC Retired with honours! |
Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2008 at 9:44am
Would you trust an Ozzy's opinion who looks like this.....?
 ------------- give it death! |
Posted By: Bunzo
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2008 at 12:51pm
The DVD was of Brandon Khoo from Sydney jigging Sambos [trying to] in WA in Dec, going for the gimble belt to early  . How is the bend in thr Nirai 
What cam thinks of Stella's when he's awake
 Cam, the pic was taken on 26/01/06 [Aus Day] on your PB, so you have had that Stella since 05, we got the ACC 665's in 04
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Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2008 at 9:24pm
| O yes the old front end game chair |
Posted By: Damo
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2008 at 11:41am
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