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Topic: Knigfish patterns
Posted By: ginga
Subject: Knigfish patterns
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2007 at 9:15am
Hi all, about 4 to 5 weeks ago we were having a real purple patch on the kingies every trip was producing fish over 20 kg and a couple up around the 30 kg mark.
Then in the past few weeks it was like a switch was flicked and the kingies disapeared, the last couple of trips have produced the odd fish but nothing like earlier on.
In that time i have noticed a massive increase in the amount of krill around and heaps of baitfish feeding on them, maybe they have switched feeding patterns in the BOP for the time being and jigs are not as effective.
Anybody else out there noticing the same???



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Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2007 at 11:13am

According to Lance Goodhew, skipper of Enchanter, the mature kingies are in the shallower water spawning. The bronzies are in almost plague proportions in some areas, which doesn't help.



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Posted By: kaveman
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2007 at 11:18am
ginga.......... have noticed that the larger fish are not around but heaps of rat kings. you can keep catching them till the cows come homeLOL(mayor Is to Aldies areas)
and sail fish everywhere!!!!!!!!!! cook straight models,some of the biggest i have ever seen and dont they love jigsCry


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Posted By: Accident Prone
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2007 at 12:05pm
Out of the 9 times I have been out on from Whakatane chasing Kings with top Charter boats, only 1 person aboard the boat on 1 of the trips got a king over 20kg (24kg) every single other trip for every angler onboard has only caught rats no matter what method was used. Jigs, livies, slappers, nothing has produced big fish.
 
 


Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2007 at 12:49pm
AP
 
We landed several nice Kingies over 25 kgs and were busted off on some unstoppable monsters at White 2 weeks ago - all on long jigs. The fishing was hard though. They were in about 60-80 metres.


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Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2007 at 2:14pm
Yeh Kaveman there has been heaps of rats around, which is great to see.
Have had patchy dramas on the sail fish some days they are there in droves but last two trips have only seen the odd one here and there, hopefully the warmer water will drive them away.


Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2007 at 7:18pm
Ditto


Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2007 at 9:00pm
Kings dont bite well at White Is when the bronzies are about in big numbers.Never have in the years ive been going thier.Also dont think they bite well when they get really close to spawning.They dont bite well in dead calm glassy water as well..tempermental things at times 

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Posted By: chopsticks
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2007 at 9:06pm
Originally posted by of2fsh of2fsh wrote:

..tempermental things at times 
 
They're probably all females. LOL


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Posted By: of2fsh
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2007 at 9:10pm
LOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOLLOL thats why the sharks chop them in half,toooo much nagging

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Posted By: Uhunter
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2007 at 9:28pm
We fished Waihau Bay last weekend, flat calm and sunny, water 18 to 19 degrees. Got out two mornings and one afternoon. Landed around 60 kingis over 10kg, up to 22kgs most around 15kg. Had a few other big ones that went into the reef. The fish still seem to be spawning. Coudas were are plague, had a bronzie take a couple of good fish as well. Hooked the bigger fish near the bottom, rats were mainly around the surface.
We noticed in the nationals this year that the kingis did go off the bite, one day all going well then slim pickings for a week. Haven't had too much success at White yet, hope to fix that soon.


Posted By: *stu*
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 2:24pm
Did you get a couple in amongst that lot Uhunter?
 
Haha.  Was good times, will have to do again.


Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 3:25pm
Did a trip to White a week ago and had a hot session on kings around 20kg, the taxman got hold of the bigger one's.


Posted By: *stu*
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 3:43pm
heres one that Uhunter was talking about.
 
 
These ones made it to the boat in one piece.
 
 
 
Catching them three at a time is good fun too.
 


Posted By: Diverbloke
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 6:16pm
NICE fish fella's!!!


Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 10:32pm
Nice!!Thumbs%20Up

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Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 10 Dec 2007 at 10:41pm
Looks like a good fun trip out on the water fellas


Posted By: Uhunter
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 9:22pm
Lucky you beat you girlfriend Stu...just.

Any word from you club about that Pin?


Posted By: *stu*
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2007 at 9:41am
Just is enough though eh. ha
 
Was to slow.  Is a no go.


Posted By: Uhunter
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2007 at 4:53pm
Here is a neat shot, I brightened it up a bit.
 
Think this was one of yours Stu, a little bit of slack in the line (assist hook).
 


Posted By: JTF
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2007 at 5:09pm
Thats a nice pic,where and when was that taken UH.


Posted By: Uhunter
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2007 at 10:08pm
Cape Runaway, Waihau Bay 1-2 December.

Was one of the better underwater photos. The photographer was keen we had a big bronzie eating fish the day before.

Here are a couple more, this guy had a random bit of gill hanging out.






Posted By: *stu*
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2007 at 10:47am
yeah thats the one I held in the water for a minute on the line so that tony could get some pics.  couldnt get it to turn around to get a front on but is a cool pic from behind.


Posted By: *stu*
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2007 at 10:56am
heres one of the Bronzie that just made a pig of itself.
 
 
Was three quarters out of the water having a tug of war with uhunter over one of his fish only 30 seconds prior to the shot being taken.


Posted By: Uhunter
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2007 at 10:20pm
Dad fished Waihau Bay this weekend, lost some good fish to that dam Bronzie. No couda this time though. He said fishing was a bit harder than the other weekend but still good fish if you put some effort in.

Am thinking about catching it, is a big fulla, I thought about 120 to 150kg but new estimates could put it up to 200kg.


Posted By: *stu*
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2007 at 10:36am
Not that big bro.  Id agree with ur first estimate.


Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2007 at 5:52pm
Bronzie's a pretty lame to catch as they dont do much till you try to get your hook back.
This one took a jig and was just a heavy weight no fight at all untill i wanted my jig back.
Held the jig while i tried to get the hook out and thing shook and shook i won in the end got my jig and hook back.


Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2007 at 5:57pm


Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2007 at 10:21pm
HAND, JIG, HOOK....................SHARK MOUTH WITH TEETHPinch


Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 4:57pm
Go hard Stella Jigger,
The positive is if you loose your hand you can replace it with a gaff hook.


Posted By: SeaI
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 5:47pm
Originally posted by ginga ginga wrote:

Go hard Stella Jigger,
The positive is if you loose your hand you can replace it with a gaff hook.
 
ha ha LOL captain hook


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Posted By: ChrisW
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 5:56pm
Originally posted by ginga ginga wrote:

Go hard Stella Jigger,
The positive is if you loose your hand you can replace it with a gaff hook.
 
or a mechanical hand that should help your mechanical jigging Big%20smile


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Posted By: ginga
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 6:01pm
Or he could replace his hand with a stella


Posted By: Matt Nolan
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 6:54pm
thats some funny sh#t
 
 


Posted By: stellajigger
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2007 at 8:06pm
A stella sounds like the go,bolt that sucker on to my stump and off we go.


Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2008 at 8:54pm
And now it's back to the topic.....................
 
Anymore info about Kingfish patterns would be a great data base for all of us to utilize over time.


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Posted By: Benk
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2008 at 9:26pm
An hour after the tide change is the main factor for us. Can see it in tarakihi fishing, and seems to transfer over to the kingies as well.


Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2008 at 9:29pm
Have you found much difference between incoming and outgoing tide changes?
 
 


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Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2008 at 6:36am
Bruvar Murf up until resently we have only really targeted Ks on an outgoing tide .This year for me has been a bit different due to our weather conditions it has made it easier due the constant Easterlies .Generally we have targeted Ks on the out going tide because usually its blowin NTH WST and the H2o currents down here Kapiti has a constant H2o flow running NTH to STH so throw the out going tide in with that and the NTH WEST wind and its perfect but best around the NEW moon and FULL moon bigger the tides the better i reakon.
I hope that helps you Murf i guess everywhere is different.


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Posted By: Benk
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2008 at 9:44am
Not in the deep murf, the slack water is what we are looking for. I think the actual tide has more impact in shallow water fishing where the fish are more flighty, havnt seen any difference in 60-150m.

Has anyone ever hooked a kingie when the sun isnt bright (sunrise and sunset) I have had several good session end abruptly when the sun loses that bit of brightness, I know the fish are still around as they move onto feeding on baits, but dry up completely on the jigs.


Posted By: Benk
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2008 at 9:45am
Yeah and torsa onto it with the moons, with the full being my favorite (as its better night fishing for snapper as a bonus!)


Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 14 Mar 2008 at 12:54pm
Yea Benk change of lite is best but even cloud cover is grouse middle of the day or when eva ,{then go into STEALH MODE} even then we had 2 boats full of pissed C---nts last nite and were they making some noise yahoo etc and you got close to them and the fish under there boat was amazing so they are enquisative to .

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Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 1:27am
Interesting Benk about the brightness of sun, I've had my better days when the sun has been covered ie cloudy day. There may have been other factors that influenced the bite those days but........
 
I have just started to keep a dairy on fishing trips, I am taking note of over head conditions, wind and swell direction, tidal movement, moon phase, and the like. It will take a damn long time for me to get enough info to be useful with the amount of time I get out fishing but it will all help in the future.............I hope.
 
Anyone else keep fishing dairy? 


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Posted By: Nepptune
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 5:20am
Hey Murf - I can't really comment on your local fishing, seeing as I'm on the other end of the planet, but regarding the diary/log on your fishing, you will be surprised how quickly that log, if kept comprehensively, and accurately, will become effective...... Its one of the best tools you can have at your disposal....
The best skipper I know here in Cape Town has a bloody great journal, hundereds of them and he logs EVERYTHING... to the point of being completely anal about it.... He's a Tuna nutter, and takes note of direction of troll in relation to direction of sun, clouds, wind, depth of lures, colours, speed of troll, how soon after the turn... everything!!!
And he uses it all to completely outfish everyone else in town.... He can almost tell you exactly when he'll get a strike..... he'll draw the left flat line in and tell you to watch that orange and gold rapala X-Rap in the wash when he tuns into the sun and the swell picks the boat up and ....BANG... there's the fish.... its unreal.... and its all from those little log books and using the info in it...
 
Definetly worth doing...I'm sure you will see that most succesful anglers have logbooks of some kind.... some just are lucky enought o keep them in their heads!!Wink


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Posted By: Benk
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 9:49am
Murf, I was more meaning from nearly no light to pitch black.


Posted By: *stu*
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 10:00am
Had the same benk.  They kings go off the bite once the sun drops below the horizon and it starts to get darker.  Just about the time the snapper come on the bite.  Def tim to change tactics.  Noticed it with the kings when we used to have good sessions on them with rapalas at the bowentown entrance.  Same thing happens with the jig. 


Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 1:08pm
Originally posted by Benk Benk wrote:

Murf, I was more meaning from nearly no light to pitch black.
 
I figured thats what you were meaning mate.
 
In regards to the balance of my comment how have you found bright sun light as opossed to cloudy conditions?


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Posted By: Benk
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 2:17pm
I prefer bright light as the sun feels nice on my back LOL

Seriously though I havnt seen any difference, I bet it has an impact at some time in some conditions, but you would need to keep a very comprehensive log over a long period of time to gain any sort of insight. I have had great to ****house on both.

For me it would come as a distant 4th factor to time of the tide, depth of water, phase of the moon. Actually, overhead light conditions and depth may have more of an important co-relation, makes sense on a hungover saturday anyway Wink

Have you, or anyone else noticed a difference? I think the days brightness may play more of a part in which jig colour to select, but then maybe not? Maybe jimi or one of the dudes who are fishing the same areas, in loads of different conditions over a relatively short frame of time would be able to provide a better indication.




Posted By: murf007
Date Posted: 15 Mar 2008 at 10:23pm

National Centre for Fisheries & Aquaculture

Aquaculture species: Yellowtail Kingfish

Scientific name: Seriola lalandi lalandi

Māori names: kahu, haku

Description

Yellowtail kingfish are widely distributed throughout the warm–temperate waters of the southern hemisphere. New Zealand kingfish, also known as kingi or yellowtail, are found from the Kermadec Islands to Banks Peninsula during the summer months. In the wild they can reach 1.7 m in length and weigh 56 kg. Their long and streamlined bodies are greeny blue on the dorsal surface shading to silvery white beneath. The common name “yellowtail” comes from their bright yellow fins (particularly the caudal fin), but they also have a distinctive golden brown stripe running laterally from the snout to the tail. They are rapacious carnivores, feeding mainly on small pelagic fish such as trevally, piper and garfish. Yellowtail is a highly prized gamefish, for which New Zealand currently holds the most International Game Fish Association (IGFA) world records.

Why are kingfish farmed?

Commercial catches of New Zealand kingfish are small, seasonal and unpredictable and they are not included in the Quota Management System (QMS). Closely related species are farmed overseas, so aquaculture of the New Zealand species can provide a reliable and controlled production of kingfish to supply growing domestic and international markets. NIWA’s research has identified kingfish as an ideal aquaculture species because it is highly valuable (earning up to $17 per kilogram on the European market), has a rapid growth rate (reaching marketable size of 3 kg in 12–15 months), is amenable to aquaculture conditions, has excellent flesh quality for a range of product options (such as whole fillets, sushi and the highly valued sashimi) and has significant domestic and international market opportunities. Kingfish is also a high-value recreational species and a traditional food source for Māori.

How are kingfish farmed?

Japan has a long and successful history of farming Seriola species and currently produces 150,000 tonnes per annum. This industry largely relies on wild-catching of the fry, which are then on-grown in sea cages, with just a small volume produced from artificially reared juveniles. Hatchery production of kingfish has recently started in South Australia, involving broodstock conditioning, controlled spawning, larval rearing, and juvenile production for on-growing in seacages.

How is NIWA research helping kingfish aquaculture?

NIWA is at the forefront of kingfish aquaculture research and is rapidly developing the commercial-scale production technology needed to capitalise on this potentially lucrative market. In 1998, NIWA and Moana Pacific Fisheries Ltd embarked on a joint research initiative to assess the potential for commercial kingfish aquaculture in New Zealand. This R&D project has established a captive breeding population of kingfish that spawn in breeding tanks from October to January. Eggs have been collected, reared through the larval and juvenile stages and successfully on-grown to 3 kg in 12–15 months. NIWA scientists have also examined the reproductive and stress biology of kingfish; examined their egg-production cycles; assessed protein and fatty acid profiles during egg and larval development; and identified the main bottlenecks limiting commercial scale hatchery production. The lifecycles of monogenean parasites have also been examined and effective parasite treatments developed.

Current kingfish research at NIWA’s Bream Bay Aquaculture Park is aimed at improving kingfish culture techniques. In the 2002/03 season NIWA produced 30,000 fingerlings, some of which went into the first seacage farming of kingfish in New Zealand.

Who to contact for more information

Aquaculture

Mr Steve Pether
Ph 09 432 5516
mailto:[email protected] - [email protected]

Business development opportunities

Dr Michael Bruce
Ph 09 375 2035
mailto:[email protected] - [email protected]



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Posted By: Benk
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 9:05am
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 56kg


Posted By: JigNut
Date Posted: 16 Mar 2008 at 10:12am
Neptune that is good info mate unlike jimi who keeps a diary i dont but if i did i would prob catch more.Its in the head and cant get lostWink unless i get hit by a train LOL

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