Roller tips ?
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Topic: Roller tips ?
Posted By: pland
Subject: Roller tips ?
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2003 at 7:05pm
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Query for the esteemed panel of experts on board. When should a roller tip rod be used vs a normal tip ? Is it related to line weight - if so which ? Pland |
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Posted By: A C
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2003 at 7:30pm
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Pland My only uses for roller tips is for big fish that can scream off plenty of line under pressure, roller tips help avoid burn off and so long as you don't let the line run out sideways and scuff on the caseing you'll be fine Second for me is big bottom dwellers or slug it outs in deep water when lots of pressure is applied time and time again at the rod tip. I use rollers for 10KG and up when gamefishing. I'm sure others will have more info ------------- Aye-Aye cloth eyes. |
Posted By: HELLFISH
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2003 at 7:43pm
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AC put it perfectly. I use a roller tip on my 15kg. I know plenty of people though that are dead against rollers as they need to be lubed regularly and many people don't. ------------- I reckon thys hir litel fishin hole jaust aint wut it yuzta bae... |
Posted By: JBoffshore
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2003 at 8:07pm
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yup i agree with all that is said. dont listen to the dead heads to try to tell you that you can cast an spinning reel better with them on hahaha. b.m |
Posted By: Barrie
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2003 at 8:14pm
| no too ways about it, roller tips are good when straylining as well. almost no drag at all, but I wouldnt go out of my way to get them if I prefered another rod |
Posted By: matt watson
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2003 at 8:26pm
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AC about summed it up - I use fully rollered rods when game fishing but when fishing for snapper or even kingies on 15kg or under I don't think it makes too much difference, unless your contstantly loading the rod up in a steep angle - Puka dropping for instance would be a good case for a roller tip. But roller tips are only better if they actually roll, so keep 'em lubed! |
Posted By: Peter Montague
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2003 at 9:56pm
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I dont use rollers or roller tips on anything under 37kg main reason is 24 kg and under line can fairly easily (ultra easy if running braid) go between the roller and the frame - mainly on the tip and even more so on cheap factory roller tip rods, some of those have a hideous gap between the frame and roller, some what a kin to the 'Grand Canyon' 2 -When the line loops around the tip (mainly when trolling) especially light lines it gets factured pretty quickly against the frame as the edges on the top side of a roller frame are a lot sharper than a good quality guide frame, which generally have a flared support laying flat side not edge on. Dig into your pocket and go for Gold Cermets on 24 kg and down - for some reason a lot of people can handle paying the bucks for a quality international or Tiagra reel but when it comes to rods they go cheap to average -- But whats the point of having and ultra good drag if all you are going to do is run the line over a poor performing blank and average set of guides ? Not sure how cermets handle things, other than I have run them on every rod I own under 37kg for the last 7 yrs without drama, I just built Graphite USA's new 130# standup blank with a set of them - mainly because Im running the new IGFA rated 130# braid, but its been tested with both both braid and mono and the guides handled it faultlessly. As with any good custom rod the guides should be double under and triple over bound in a A thread And if its money your worried about, skip one or two days on the water and put the extra into your tackle, no point going on an extra trip or two only to lose the fish to poor tackle and if your lucky enough to hook a decent one its odds on the cheap tackle will let you down--- Thiers a plague on the walls of a few tackle stores around that says it all "You can get away with cheaper tackle. But so will the Fish" why not to use cheap blanks thats a whole new post -------------  http://www.billfish.tv/download_issue.html">click here to get a copy |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2003 at 12:01am
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Peter, if there are plagues on the shops, I for one would be very wary of entering them. Which plague? Typhus or bubonic? Another little hurray for eye tips as opposed to roller tips, is that if your line is being pulled off the rod tip at an angle, such as out to an outrigger or something, then a roller tip will do no good at all to your line, just the opposite. However, a good high quality tip ring does not matter which direction the line is coming off the rod tip. My only problem I have with eyes is that a furiously wound-in swivel can punch them out if you are not careful. This is why if anywhere, I would use a roller tip for jigging, except then the wrap-around problem with the roler tip is worse. 6 of one, halfa dozen of the other I reckon (which is just abouthow many troling rods I have too, a dozen or so! cheers, Stu. Pete, you finished that nice new GUSA rod for me yet???
------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: Peter Montague
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2003 at 12:48am
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Yes Yes Yes its finished, -- i hope you dont mind im trying this new method of supa gluing the guides on with no thread , bandaids to hold the reel seat on and chisel with a sledge hammer to knock a gimbal shape into the end of the blank Now Stu, ok I hit the g instead of the q so Its plaque anyway for those of you who cant help themselves and luv to crank away, just buy a pack of $2 rubber tip savers they will fit snuggly onto your swivel and save both your rollers and guides. or you could use a felt tip line marker or nail polish so you know when you have say 10' left to wind ? or do what 90% of fishos do and watch for the bloody swivel!!!!! ------------- http://www.billfish.tv/download_issue.html">click here to get a copy |
Posted By: Martini Max
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2003 at 9:07am
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Although they look the part, and I like 'em, I know at least one rod maker, (Pete also hints at this)who when making his preferred game rod, only uses 'normal' eyes, even for the tip. He uses top quality guides and tips -not sure if they are ceramic,silicon carbide,or whatever. Reason being the same as Pete says about gaps etc, but even well lubed rollers can get hot or retain heat, which is not good for line. The newer 'normal' tips don't retain or build up anywhere near the same heat. Those bought up on rollers would probably dispute this, but advances in regular tips have very much evened the field. Rollers definately look the part tho, and as mentioned previously if well maintained do the trick. I have both on 37kg gear, and caught a 170kg Blue on the 'normal' tipped rod with the flash new style inserts. No probs. 6 of 1 etc. Cheers . ------------- "I do nothing..I do it well.. I then move on to doing more of nothing" |
Posted By: HELLFISH
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2003 at 9:40am
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Fuji makes an AWESOME guide for that. it's a SiliconCarbide material. Harder than hell and disipates heat better than the space shuttle tiles. Carbide is the next hardest material known to man. Diamond is first and Carbide is second Fuji SiC tips!!!! http://www.fujitackle.com.au/">http://www.fujitackle.com.au/ ------------- I reckon thys hir litel fishin hole jaust aint wut it yuzta bae... |
Posted By: Capt Asparagus
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2003 at 9:45am
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One of the items we have been introducedto via the mag is the Graphite USA range of guides, no silcarb, but something harder apparently. Pete Montague knows all about this stuff, I think they are titanium nitride or something... what are those gold and the holographic guides made outa Pete? Stu. ------------- It is only my overwhelming natural humility that mars my perfection. Captain Asparagus, Superhero, Adventurer. |
Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2003 at 12:02pm
| One tip i picked up from someone off the forum, GT or GH someone anyway was to use a soft bead above the swivel. Great if the light is poor. |
Posted By: Peter Montague
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2003 at 4:56pm
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For the fisherman who demands the ultimate quality in every component, Fuji has designed a guide with a gold Cermet ring in titanium alloy frames. This model offers a super-light, super-strong frame that is totally corrosion resistant under all conditions. The very latest in ceramic technology, Gold Cermet guides and tips continue to be an innovation in the field. This dynamic material provides a non-corrosive, gold ceramic ring that features the hardness of ceramic and the durability of titanium. This combination produces a hardness that rivals Silicon Carbide, while remaining lighter and thinner than SiC or any other ring material. Add Fuji's diamond polishing and the Gold Cermet ring boasts a finish that�s twice as smooth as the SiC ring. The result? A guide so lightweight, it rarely affects the action of the blank. A guide so smooth it outperforms all others on the market. |
Posted By: Peter da Squid
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2003 at 5:23pm
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Flash yes but will it make a bloke a better fisherman?. ------------- Good for Nuthin |
Posted By: Peter Montague
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2003 at 6:24pm
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Nope !! Its like thinking that if you had a Ferrari it would make you a better driver, in the right hands however it will easily out perform a Leyland P76 , and yes cheap guides are equivlant to a P76 Their is no in between (Holden/Ford) in Fishing guides they are etheir very very average or very very good , fine if all you are going to do is chase piper then buy a cheap rod with hardloys as the cermets will make bugger all difference , but if you are thinking of marlin, tuna or light tackle on big snapper dont waste your time with cheap guides cause they will cost you . As we have all seen when lines snap most anglers blame the line when a lot of the time its crap guides The #1 cause is fine cracks that wear the line down very very common in hardaloy and other cheap guides followed by friction heat most common in cheap rollers, chrome perfections and hardaloy Hardaloy is very easily damaged an easy way to check is run your finger nail around the inside of the guide and feel for even the slightest catch. Gold cermet on the other hand dont have the problem, I keep a number 20 boat guide to show customers and I give them a rat tail file in a bastard (extra rough) cut and tell them to put it in the ring and go for it --- you will blunt the file and not even put a scratch on the guide |