Ramp And Water Access Data Base
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Topic: Ramp And Water Access Data Base
Posted By: BillG
Subject: Ramp And Water Access Data Base
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2007 at 10:32pm
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Flying corporate helicopters for clients in the UK and EU neccessitated having a constantly updated, easily accessible data base of available landing sites. This was critical in case some one or a new pilot had to go in at a moments notice. This lead to a standardised multi season constantly updated (with seasonal and light / dark) reference document with constantly updated photographs and pilots comments. Considering the multitude of boat ramps and accesses available, it might pay for the creation of a similar setup on this forum which may also even be published by the site owners eventually in book form.....creating an additional revenue stream ? This would really be using the power of the net to gather data - well!
Critical information would be -
Cost
Access
Security
Ease of use in tides
Weather effect
General comments
Day night, low, high tide photographs and any prohibiting structures....ie the bridge at Orewa Jetty - difficult for HT boats at High Tide....
etc etc
If standardised, and constantly updated by the great users of this forum, it would present a wealth of information at one source.
Hey, hit me over the head (but gently) if this is a bad idea.
a bit of an example....(I'm sure there are better ones)....
Orewa Jetties:-
Orewa has two main jetties both on the estuary:-
One is on the Eastern side inside the caravan park (A) one on the Western side of the main road bridge (B)
A - Access all the time through the caravan park. Can be difficult in high season due to numbers of visitors and vehicles. No parking allowed inside the park - so you have to launch and remove the vehicle and trailer. Bad wash in the tides, shallow access only at low tide!
 Taken at low tide date (Summer - but forgotten)
  From the top of the ramp looking down
 A narrow channel to navigate in and out - rocks covered at High Tide
Jetty B
Boat ramp directly on the other side, but out of sight in pic. Pleanty of parking, but not secure at night - (dark) also crowded in Summer.
 The main bridge over the estuary pic taken on / from Northern side at low tide
 And so on and so on - I dont have all the pics, but a handy hint would also be to watch out for the concrete drop off at the end of the ramp...
  Could be seriously damaging to the health of your trailer if you don't know its there in high tide.....
 Pics in opposite tides would be great and could be added by any interested parties.....
May be useful for boat owners that move around a bit too.....
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Replies:
Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 12:52am
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I see one issue in that some people like to keep their local knowledge local and not too public.
For example we have a bach at a really nice place with a really bad boat ramp but there are tricks on how to use it, tide, rocks, where and when to launch etc.... when talking to people around the area, they dont want it improved at all because the feeling is that the fact that it has a reputation as being hard to use keeps the masses away and therefore the problems such as cars stuck in the sand, the rubbish and the vehicles crammed in a tiny parking area.
otherwise a good idea.
------------- Legasea Legend, the rest of you should be too, $10 a month.  |
Posted By: loryda
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 1:28am
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Plow - Sorry mate but i think that's a terrible attitude to take, sure you can keep your fishing sites to yourself but the point i believe of this is more for safety than as an invite for masses of people..
Its handy knowledge to have and i think a really good idea, it will help boaties make safer decisions as to where they can launch and in what conditions the ramps are ok to navigate and give new boaties some base info that they can use before taking their boat out for the first time.
This IMO could never be considered a bad idea..
I will add photos and information about all the local ramps i know of when i get a chance and hope more people do the same.
Information is meant to be shared.
Alex.
Edit: I think the SpotX publications also provide ramp info for certain areas, i know its not very comprehensive but is another source of ramp info available.. ------------- "We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free." -Bill Hicks |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 2:12am
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I reckon its a top idea. There's some good info in the back of wises maps (mayvbe even phone books too?) on ramps available around the place and includes some basic details on them - gradient, surface, tidal access etc. This could provide a good base for further development with pics and info like Bill has suggested. ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: CanadianJohn
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 9:40am
| someone on the website here was going to publish a book on boat ramps. try a search you might find the thread. |
Posted By: [email protected]
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 11:52am
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I agree, a bad idea for this forum not to collate and share this potentially great information making it easier and safer for us all.
I especially remember my 1st trip out of Whangamata. EARLY MORNING, DARK, ALMOST BOTTOM OF THE TIDE and although I did a reco the previous day, IT WAS ALMOST AN EMBARRASING DISTASTER. If you have launched there you would no what I mean - EASTURY LAUNCHING STRAIGHT OF THE BEACH, TINY CHANNAL, VERY LOW TIDAL LEVELS AND TRICKY NAVAGATION MARKERS FOR THE 1ST TIME USER.
IS THIS NOT WHAT THIS FORUM FOR MEMBERS IS ALL ABOUT ???
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Posted By: ssilver
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 2:10pm
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I think thats a great idea!
I think it would be very handy to know about other ramps in your area and also around the country.
Im always keen to try new ramps and explore new fishing opportunities but always abit hesitant without knowing the local knowledge and safety of the ramp im about to use...
Boaties giving first hand knowledge about the safety of each ramp and other useful info is no way a bad idea...
To be able to know abit about the ramp you want to try out for the first time without having to do a recce beforehand is great thinking...! Im all for it and will contribute in any way
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Posted By: loryda
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 2:43pm
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Hrmmm, I'm thinking it might be useful to create a proper hosted database for ease of use and updates, also for searching purposes as if it were a forum post it would take some time to navigate through to find the ramp you wanted, but we would still want to include the forum members information, and mainly make it available for them..
I'm a graphics/web-designer by trade and would be happy to create the layout and graphics and supply hosting however actual database coding is not my forte (give me a book and a few hours i can do it though)..
But anyway, just an idea.. If anyone has any thoughts or if Admin want to smack me *starts running* feel free to comment..
Edit: Also have taken low tide photos of the local Beachlands Public Ramp and will take high tide photos tomorrow morning.. Of note there were two guys from Manurewa trying to retrieve their boat when i was taking the photos, apparently the Ramp is listed as an all tide ramp (insert Tui ad here) which left them waiting for an hour before they could get their boat close enough.. Made me realise how helpful this information could be.. ------------- "We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free." -Bill Hicks |
Posted By: rocko
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 4:56pm
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Is the ramp over there (beach lands ) suitable for a small tub? Plus i like the idea of a handy ramp to the intended area to fish Specially for those of us that fish from small boats. So if by anychance the weather turns about its a short haul to safety. Some may think over dramatic but its not a silly idea ------------- ......... |
Posted By: mouthu
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 5:06pm
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Great idea, don't have a boat, but still a really good idea. ------------- Yes it was me, I screwed it up for everyone. |
Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 7:09pm
fair enough chaps, Im just expressing the feelings from the home owners around where we have our pad. I was all for upgrading the boat ramp to one that was safer and more user freindly and was suprised to hear everybodys resistance to it.
Also this particular place I am referring to is very hard to use, and any instructions I would place on here I beleive would only encourage people to go and use it and end up getting themselves in the ****. If you dont know where the rocks are, then dont use it is the moral of the story. we have actually had to rescue people from the area before who thought they knew what they were doing.
------------- Legasea Legend, the rest of you should be too, $10 a month. |
loryda wrote:Posted By: Jemry
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 8:42pm
| I think this is a great idea. |
Posted By: Tim0
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 10:44pm
| Great idea. One of the best things that this forum could do to support and help other members. |
Posted By: corosanta
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2007 at 6:46am
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I can see your problem PLOW and have to say that I've experienced the same attitude here in Tuateawa. Hell, I'd even organized funding for an upgrade of the ramp but the locals didn't want a bar of it. I guess the best thing to do is supply the info but make sure to include residents feelings along with other problems encountered. ------------- Sitndrinkntalknbullman |
Posted By: rocko
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2007 at 8:59am
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Also supplying information about the intended area for new users may be of some help also. All well in saying if you don't know where the rocks and so forth then maybe something to help others out. Sorry plow i don't agree with you there dude None of this we dont want a ramp here because we dont want public access to our area ( B_S ) then again whative just said was pretty much sumed up post# 3  ------------- ......... |
Posted By: Donald Duck
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2007 at 9:20am
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BillG, it's a great idea.
Believe it or not, a couple of years ago I investigated the idea of building an extensive updateable database for helicopter spare parts. Hearing tales of multi-million dollar machines sitting idle for want of a part nobody could source, well paid mechanics on the phone all over the world all night trying to get them, etc. There were other beneficial spin-offs to the database as well and we even had the finance in place.
HOWEVER everyone thought it was a great idea until we asked the companies what they'd expect to pay for the service. Pay? PAY??!!?? "You mean we'd have to pay for it?"
And that was the end of that great idea.
Great idea though.
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Posted By: Jemry
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2007 at 9:24am
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Interesting Plow, all the boating info brochures say to speak to locals before using bars etc, does this mean your locals wouldn't help? Assuming this I wonder how they would feel if after not giving information there was a tragedy which could have been avoided by suppling certain local info?
Also, once again assuming, does this mean that the "locals" would not render assistance to "out of area" boaties in need of assistance?
There is plenty of fish out there, I don't see any problem with rendering whatever asistance I can, whether that be info or other.
I witnessed this 1st hand myself earlier this year whilst on a bareboat charter, in bad weather we made a run into the harbour, across the VHF came a mayday from a yacht, a "friend" who was with me said to ignore it. I in turn ignored him and responded offering them or the coastguard assistance, altough it was ultimately not needed at least I can sleep at night, and hope should I been in the same situation someone would do the same for me.
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Posted By: Dagwood
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2007 at 10:07am
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A well designed searchable database would be great. I've seen visitors steam over rocks at Kuaotunu at Christmas for years. Always happy to provide advice when asked but some people resent advice being given without the invitation! Jermish - as for your "friend" wanting to ignore a Mayday, not only was he wanting to break the law, in my opinion he wouldn't be a skipper's backside with the attitude! Good on you for ignoring him. |
Posted By: loryda
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2007 at 9:29pm
rocko - The ramp is suitable for anything 1/4 tide up, at low it is possible to retrieve but a jockey wheel and decent rope wont go astray and at a real low tide you'll be walking out 60meteres on muddy sand before you hit water. There's also a nasty drop off at the end of the ramp, i normally go over the drop off launching anything below 1/3 tide but with my car, the gradient (read: steep-ish) and slipperyness (word?) of the ramp i wouldn't like to try bring my trailer and boat back up it when retrieving. There is also no breakwater and a Northerly or Nor'wester will roll in there, although a Nor'easter is a little more sheltered due to the positioning of the ramp semi-behind the jetty i wouldn't like to try it with any real serious winds, mostly all other wind directions are ok but the ramp faces north so it pays to take a look at the swell directions as well. There are afew rocks around but nothing really in-line with the ramp so take the line and your sweet, there is also a reef to the left as you come into the ramp from the water which at full tide is submerged but to the right the beach is relatively rock free, personally i use Maraetai over Beachlands when i can as its only Easterlies that ruin the fun there but mainly because i prefer the bottom end and with my tanks the difference counts although i have occasionally had to come round to Beachlands to retrieve after launching at Maraetai because the winds have gotten up..
   There is parking at the top of the hill by the road with lights and a solid jetty with stairs down to water level, at high tide there is around 2.5-3 meters of water which gradually gets deeper, low tide its .5 meter +/- some depending on tides and conditions.
Ive only gotten low tide photos as of yet, and it wasent a full low tide either so am yet to take some more comprehensive photos along with the Maraetai ramp.. ------------- "We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free." -Bill Hicks |
Posted By: loryda
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2007 at 9:40pm
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Just to note: If anyone has any ideas on this or BillG if you have anything you would like to add please feel free to PM me or leave a message here, also Admin some input from your perspective on how this could be achieved would be awesome. I also think that with an online system like this costs could be eliminated with advertising and through donations so a pay scheme can be ruled out, progress not profits!
Once again though, just IMO..  ------------- "We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free." -Bill Hicks |
Posted By: rocko
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2007 at 9:49pm
Thanks for that theres a couple of ramps over here like that,( Matakawau being 1,)shortish and low,tho it does go out a long way,@ low tide it drops off the end like yours thens its mud/beach time.Ive got 4X4 so thats not a issue, so real that ramp would be more suitable for 1/2 tide aether side still allowing for at least 4-5hrs on the water? ------------- ......... |
Posted By: loryda
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2007 at 10:16pm
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rocko - Not a problem, yeah a 4x4 would be sweet on the beach, I've used my 2wd quad once to pull the trailer closer (still don't have a jockey wheel myself haha) which was solid on the mud so your 4wd would be kosher. But yeah 1/2 tide not a problem, only 4-5 hours out on the water could be difficult, i never make it back when i say i should.
 "last cast guys, no honestly, really last cast, ok, this time, last casts guys.."
But i guess if you had to come back.. yeah it shouldnt be a problem  ------------- "We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free." -Bill Hicks |
Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 4:58am
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oh well after typing out a massive page of instructions on how to use our area Ive decided against posting it as I firmly believe it will put more people in the **** who attempt to use it with the instuctions I'd written. Its a really small place and there isn't always locals or help at hand. If you think my attituide stinks fair enough I'd rather that then be Mr.right I told you so and watch you guys wreck ya boats and lose ya utes to the rocks in the channel and the high tide. I have seen a row of 3 tractors all chained to each other attempting to pull out a blokes 4 wheel drive who got it wrong.
It is a good idea though, I just hoped to describe some of the reasons you wont have everybody coming forth nominating their local launching areas for public information.
------------- Legasea Legend, the rest of you should be too, $10 a month. |
Posted By: tobez
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 6:22am
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your attitude dont stink plow...any advice is good advice ------------- Waikato North Harbourmaster...Got a Nav Safety question for the Waikato region?...call me 021705642 or download the app Marine Mate! |
Posted By: Finatic
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 9:59am
BillG, those photo's bring back nightmares. 2 1/2 hours pushing the boat through water barely knee deep back to the ramp in winter  I like your idea. It can be difficult to get information on boat ramps. Some publications say this and that about a certain ramp and when you see the ramp for yourself you think "WTF! I can't launch here. I'll need a 4wd and a strop to get the boat out...". Also going away and doing a bit of a recon to come across an excellent concrete ramp you didn't know even existed etc. I would hardly think that putting together details on ramps is going to have a negative effect on people's favourite fishing spots etc. It would be beneficial from a safety aspect too. People who tow their boat away to a place to find the only ramp is borderline although they heard otherwise from their mate's aunties neighbour, might decided the risk to use it is worth it and find themselves in difficulty. I'm for the idea!
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Posted By: Nathan
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 11:28am
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I have to say that hard won knowledge gained through working something out yourself gives a sense of accomplishment, and it is never forgotten. That is what being a local is all about - hard earned experience.
I dont think you need to worry though Plow. Sounds like your spot cannot be learnt by reading a noddies guide. Watch people complain when their interpretation of your instructions puts them in the wrong place at the wrong time and they get smashed. Beach launching spots chop and change with the sand too. It would be out of date as soon as it is written. I wouldnt attempt to write instructions on how to launch a boat at Piha for example.
A bit of general info to let you know it requires a bit of caution is handy though, and what is always handy is:
1. Do I need a 4wd.
2. Is it tide dependant.
Been caught out a few times returning to ramps to find out that there is no water. That unseen drop off at the end of a ramp is a goodie too.
Overall a good idea.
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Posted By: loryda
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 7:27pm
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Plow - I understand where your coming from, when writing my report for the local ramp i had a tinge of 'is this going to bite me or someone-else in the ass' but at the end of the day i believe that particular ramp is not hugely unsafe and would expect anyone reading my advice to take it with a grain of self reasoning and only launch and retrieve their boats, and use the ramp if they felt safe with it.
I agree that if i felt a particular ramp was too difficult or unexplainable in words and to use it you really needed first hand knowledge i would not attempt to list it on the database, the same would go for marginally used ramps that are degraded or for boat club ramps which are private use only.
Don't fret, i don't think you stink
 At the end of the day it is up to the skipper to make the call whether to go out or not and his decision should be final, it is his ultimate responsibility for the safety of his crew and craft and no advice given can negate that, we all must use common sense when launching and retrieving our boats as we do when we are on the water.
I do believe it is a good idea still and would only hope that people used it as a supplement of information rather than the word of god, much as one would use the weather reports as a guide over simply looking out the window..
Regards
Alex ------------- "We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free." -Bill Hicks |
Posted By: rocko
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 7:46pm
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Thanks for that tho still somewhere friendly enough for 4x4 is still bit iffy ,yep ive seen 4x4 stuck on beach or in mud. *yes dear we wont take the wagon its too good for the beach,instead it gets a dosing of salt from puky short boat ramps   *1 we have out here is okish at low tide tho coverd in mud,its whats beyond the ramp in the unseen which concerns me ------------- ......... |
Posted By: BillG
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 8:45pm
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Hey Guys (& Gals!),
Without the support and co-operation of the site owners (SO) who would have to implement an organised easily accessible standardised formulated Database with fields of set information - we may as well be fleas arguing over who owns the dog
. It isn't difficult, but true worth for input and use will have to be determined by the SO who would also have to include a legal protection rider as to the accuracy of the information and of course it's use. No one wants problems, we all look for answers and to assist in the search for them. The question that begs many of these posts boils down to the old "Am I my brothers keeper?"....
 I would much rather ask for help and perhaps even ask a silly question and have people suspect I am a bit of a fool, than to make a (self indulgent arrogant) mistake and confirm peoples suspicions...
 I would also much rather help than stand by and watch others struggle.......
 Ultimately - like Quality control in a company, the value system has to come from the top - there is an old management saying - an organisation is the extended length of one mans (or womans) shadow......
I'm sure if the owners want to, and see value in it, they will.
I mean, we have literally an army of eyes and ears out there and all we have to do is pool our already focused energy and resources to produce an unparalleled boating resource.....
(Imagine a Quick Grabbit Now! Board for all the TAS bargains and cheap windows of opportunity! ) From reading this forum one can easily conclude that there is an unimaginable wealth of fishing and boating history, talent, experience and advice - all available and waiting to be offered, in good faith, in friendliness and in good spirit - that's the way I've come to think of the New Zealand fishing "family" that I watch closely, listen to humbly, learn from eagerly and read about in anticipation here everyday.
One thing is for certain, you won't easily find so many people gathered in one place (albeit over time) in many other sports.
As the old saying goes - Unity is strength -
Standing together the members of this forum actually represent an incredible force. Perhaps this is only one of many ways to effectively utilise the collective strength for the good of all who gather here.
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Posted By: Phats
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 9:12pm
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I believe in Karma
Therefore I believe someone whos posted on this thread will come unstuck one day as they have not followed what I have experienced to be a "help thy neighbour" mentality that exists on this forum
That is all
No, I will add.........
If launching at Waiake ( Nth eastern, not main beach ) go to the far right at low tide if retrieving......is sandstone over here and much harder.
Only room for one or two tho......so you might have to wait for the locals who are hogging it and laughing at the poor buggers who didnt know better in the middle ------------- A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort. |
Posted By: rocko
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2007 at 9:44pm
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Well if this helps anyone Hunting the scolly grounds, matakawau is along ramp,but @ low water the concrete drops away sharply then its mud,low water the ramp is greasy, and muddy over the concrete. I havnt tried the beach,s yet (someone eles may help here. I know Grahams beach is a short stint out then drop straight to the channel. Waiua is ok all tides, be wary the current is very swift when on the go,as the other side te toro,has breakwater, but still very strong current flow,straight into deep water.Just watch the rocks around clarks corner ( im still getting it sussed ) The other local yocals on here may have better idea but this is just my experience so far.Hope this helps ------------- ......... |
Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2007 at 12:28am
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some of you guys have gotten the wrong end of the stick from me.. If you guys know Teal bay you would understand that the reason I didn't want to mention it is that the neighbours to the launching area are tired of saving peoples arses... The conditions change depending on recent rain waters coming down the estuary which shifts the sand and hides rocks in the channel which is only a couple of metres wide, too small for many fiberglass boats. The rain and shifting sand confuses the current and steers motor driven boats onto the rocks which are only a couple of feet under the high tide mark. At low tide there is no tidal water, the channel water coming from the hills is sometimes ankle deep and forces people to try and take their trailers up the sand, which is too soft for normal tractors. Hence the long chain of stuck tractors, Its happened a few times too. We only launch a 12 foot tinny from the estuary and use oars until right out in the bay. I help my neighbours and visitors(including mates of mine with bigger boats) by suggesting they launch at the next beach around the corner where they are less likely to have problems.
I have done it loads and screw it up myself sometimes which is why we only have a 12ft tinny at the bach. Its small, light and easy to handle through the channel. Other owners in the area leave their boats moored out in the bay during the time they are there to avoid launching everytime.
That is all.
Oh no one more thing, this is a good thread and if you guys dont mind i'd like to edit away my crap soon so you guys can concentrate on the purpose of it.. which is creating the database for safer boating.
cheers, and land some big ******* out there...
------------- Legasea Legend, the rest of you should be too, $10 a month. |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2007 at 12:59am
Plow....thats exactly the information that is useful for people and will hopefully cut down the number of times the locals who live near the ramp there need to assist others. Its all good mate! ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: Plow
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2007 at 1:19am
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yeah I suppose it is JK.. you're right mate. ------------- Legasea Legend, the rest of you should be too, $10 a month. |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2007 at 1:27am
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The way I see it is there are mainly two types of info....
You can either say stuff like 'there's a great ramp at XXXX beach with hot fishing just offshore etc' - thats the type of info that whilst is useful for many fisherfolk, it probably doesnt go down to well with the locals and I'm sure many people can understand that.
But I think the more useful info is the stuff like 'avoid XXXX ramp from half tide down' or 'beware of hidden rocks on left hand side of channel' or '4wd a must/ tractor launching only' etc. As per my previous post this is the stuff that can really help out the locals as well as saving boat owners from making possibly costly and embarrassing mistakes.
------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: tobez
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2007 at 6:19am
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most regional councils website also have boat ramp info.. ------------- Waikato North Harbourmaster...Got a Nav Safety question for the Waikato region?...call me 021705642 or download the app Marine Mate! |
Posted By: rocko
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2007 at 6:58am
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I had a look at those sites and they dont say much at all,just as to say,theres a ramp here,there, and over there,,,,,
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Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2007 at 11:12am
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The idea to build a knowledge base and be able to share it has huge merit and thanks for the idea Bill. I'm going to discuss the practicalities of setting something up with our developers and will let you know the outcome of that in due course.
These ideas always have a cost and sponsors and advertisers are not easy to find, however if it can make boating safer and add more options then it's got to be worth doing one way or another.
In the meantime lets continue to use this thread to post any info you have about any ramps in particular and we can transfer it to another system in time.
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Posted By: kens
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2007 at 12:50pm
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It may not need to be too techo, how about another forum called ramps and then we could just create posts on the various locations ramps etc with everyone adding their five cents worth to a paticular thread. If you wanted to look for a paticular location you could just search the post titles?
I aint that flash on the putor so this may not be as simple as it seems?
I reckon that the data base is a **** hot idea though, when you read the descriptions on some of the ramps around they are pretty scant on detail.
Ken
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Posted By: Skoti
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2007 at 2:16pm
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Rocko mentioned the Matakawau boat ramp before but I wanted to expand a little further . There is a decent sized turning circle and plenty of parking space there .  There's quite a long (approx 50 mtr ) reverse to the waters edge .  There's also a jetty and a walk around to get onboard if there happens to be other boats launching or if you have a bigger boat .    This 7 mtr boat was able to be launched with ease . Points to note are an unmarked and submerged at high tide reef 150 mtrs south of the ramp on the edge of the Waiuku channel that really should be marked as it could be quite dangerous for the unsuspecting . Also when it blows hard from the East there is no shelter from the waves .  There has been an upgrade to the ramp at the end of October to increase the gradient .  It is advised to jack-knife your trailor to the left 9in pic) to take advantage of the gradient change and there's plenty of space for 2-3 to go at a time depending on the stage of the tide .  Be aware that there is a rock hard at the base of the southern cliff face that could catch you unaware , the council would not allow for the removal of this obstacle due to the fact that it has seaweed on it   There's also an honesty box at the top of the ramp for maintenance of which the Matakawau Boating Club are responsible for , so please give generously or I'll punch you in the teefs ------------- COVID is no joke ! One former patient was so brain damaged after , he thought he won an election he lost by 7 million votes . |
Posted By: rocko
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2007 at 7:49pm
yep that sums it up as skoti pointed what i missed,be cool at low water if you have help launching but solo can be a pain,backing a distance with short draw bar like i got but all in al ive found it close and handy for what i do except those big waves
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Posted By: Fishabunga
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2007 at 9:04pm
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TALKING ABOUT RAMPS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT BEEN TO THE GREENHITHE RAMP I SUGEST THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE A 4WD THAT YOU AVOID IT ON THE LOWER STAGES OF THE TIDE UNLESS YOU LOVE MUD BATHS. ------------- FISH FIGHT AOTEAROA THE PEOPLES PROTEST |
Posted By: tugboat
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2007 at 6:34pm
| Good idea this, can anyone do one for omaha ramp???? |
Posted By: rocko
Date Posted: 20 Jul 2007 at 7:45pm
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Another good ramp which is all tide ramp is,now closed off @marsden,(card access only ) straight into deep clear water
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Posted By: billfish
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2007 at 7:21pm
| Omaha Ramp. Wide open concrete ramp - good for all tides. No pontoon right by ramp but good sand either side and floating pontoon on very close by jetty. |
Posted By: A C
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2007 at 11:35am
Like Bill says its good for all tides but it's a very shallow ramp to boot. If you retreive your boat at any thing but dead low you'll have to put the back end of your tow vehicle in the salty drink.
I find it best to retreive from the beach at the south side of the ramp if the tide will allow you past the retaining wall, it's got an inch of soft sand then solid underneath, it allows the trailer to drop just that little bit lower in the drink. ------------- Aye-Aye cloth eyes. |
Posted By: tugboat
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2007 at 12:49pm
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Whats the channel like exiting the harbour AC, are ther channel markers clearly showing the way out??? Whats it like approching the entrance from the seaward side in a easterly swell, does the place become a bar???? |
Posted By: A C
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2007 at 8:49pm
The channel from the ramp isn't really marked but all the big boats moored between there and the wharf at Ti Point will show you where the deep water is. As for the entrance it's well marked Tugboat but there is a catch for young players so to speak - as you exit there are two markers that look as if they mark each side of the channel, however stay starboard of both markers as they are both green !!
I've seen a few boats pass the first green marker on the rocks at the point and then pass on the port side of the next marker -
, BIG BIG "eff of rocks in there eh Bender  There's no bar as such but as for the Easterly swell it can be a right b'stard at low tide if it's big enough, we went out one day last summer after a big blow at dead low tide, as we left the entrance I took my sunnies off to wipe them and then looked up at where I was steering to see a reasonable capper just starting to roll over about 50m in front of us, I had to power in to it or get flipped and we came down pretty hard on the other side - the poor passenger's eyes lit up like a startled possum when he saw it coming towards us, there was a second one right behind it which made my arse twitch I may add, we got out safely in to a 3 meter runner.
I go by the noise at the ramp, if you can hear the surf pounding up the beach while you launch at the ramp chances are it will be rolling up the entrance a bit.
They say "Port to Port" but there ain't no Port side markers ! however coming back is a doddle even in a big swell, I generally head straight for the rock groyne until the outermost starboard marker is directly starboard midships then hook a right hander for entrance.
Watch out in summer for the dick heads on jet skis and ski-ers doing 80kph in and out of the moored boats as you head up the harbour. ------------- Aye-Aye cloth eyes. |
Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2007 at 10:51am
Very true dat. And dem rock don't move no matter how hard you hit them. ------------- Nobody has ever come up with a great idea after a second bottle of water. |
Posted By: one leg
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2007 at 8:51pm
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way to go guys . most bchs have a harbour master my be a ph number in case help is needed. ------------- woman who say they are equal to men ,show lack of Ambition . |
Posted By: tugboat
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2007 at 10:10pm
| Cheers AC thats tops mate, all taken onboard, you think that rock would have an isolated danger marker on it.. |
Posted By: A C
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2007 at 8:52am
On a low tide you may well see what's left of a few gearboxes stuck in the top of the rock  ------------- Aye-Aye cloth eyes. |
Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2007 at 9:31am
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There's some Yellow paint on it. Came from the bow of my Alli-craft.
There's also the bottom of a Markline 1200 on it from a couple of summers back.
There is quite a bit of room between the bricks if you know what you are doing - but going through the inside of the marker saves about , ohhhh maybe 20 metres - but may result in a trip to the panelbeaters, or worse.
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Posted By: A C
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2007 at 9:41am
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Builder's Skeg is there abouts too.........Ol'e Rockhopper can attest to that ------------- Aye-Aye cloth eyes. |
Posted By: Bender
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2007 at 10:05am
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Excellent seamanship - going between two green markers! There was only an unmarked pole when I hit the rock, but I was going full noise and saw the rock about 10ft in front of the boat, and there was a pretty fair pucker factor for a milli-second. Amazing how quickly the sphinctorial muscle can contract. ------------- Nobody has ever come up with a great idea after a second bottle of water. |
Posted By: tugboat
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2007 at 6:54pm
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Posted By: loryda
Date Posted: 24 Jul 2007 at 11:25pm
Posted By: BillG
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2007 at 8:17am
Now thats a ramp and access report!!! great stuff L -
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Posted By: Rockhopper
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2007 at 10:29pm
Yes there is a lump of Builders skeg there There is big ding on a rock which is lying to left of the starboard marks as we came in. We were a couple of meters from the poles and it was low tide with some idiot sitting in a dingy in the middle forcing us to the side of the channel.  . We could start a thread for skegs lost and found
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Posted By: The Builder
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2007 at 5:44pm
fuss up Rocky U did,nt have a clue, (lap top on lap & all ) 
thanks tho for keeping it secret I have since redinged said fixed! skeg.
forgot to lift motor on me beloved club,s ramp ( MBBC )
sheez A C U got a great memory! great day out it was
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Posted By: ramprage
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2007 at 9:37pm
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The ramp at kawakawa bay around clevedon area,could someone give to info on the new ramp,Its a great looking ramp and can the public use it if they pay,its gets a 10 out of 10 in my books. All tide access,grone to protect you while retrieve your boat,pontoon to stand on while wait .A model ramp that all councils should look at,i wonder how much it cost.. |
Posted By: loryda
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2007 at 9:39pm
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The Builder - How do you find MBBC ramps? Im currently in the works of getting my application filled out and processed, lookinf forwards to a breakwater, easterlies be damned, im going fishing! haha ------------- "We all pay for life with death, so everything in between should be free." -Bill Hicks |
Posted By: Shadz8
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2007 at 5:29pm
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Some info for Z pier public ramp users.. the public ramp is up for an upgrade.. ie replacement.. this is not a short job and is going to be EXPENSIVE but alot of the things that are wrong with it are going to be put right.. night lites, new piles and resurfacing of the ramp, new floating jetties and open face cleats... I believe this will start next year or possibly late this year. they may also make them longer..
yay!!!
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Posted By: tobez
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2007 at 8:24pm
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i was looking thru my fishing dairy and it has pages of boat ramps and tips..go get one ------------- Waikato North Harbourmaster...Got a Nav Safety question for the Waikato region?...call me 021705642 or download the app Marine Mate! |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2007 at 9:19pm
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where ya get that from tobez? local tackle stores?
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Posted By: empty
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2007 at 9:34am
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have a look in the back of a wises map book the a pagine on ramps in the auckland area this is a great idea but wouldnt it be better to have a separate post for each ramp to make it eiser to find the info on that ramp ------------- what happened to the pissing man? |
Posted By: Quo vardis
Date Posted: 23 Oct 2007 at 9:41pm
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i agree that seperate posts would be better, i know of one ramp listed in more than one publication which longer exists. ------------- If the conditions are marginal, you need a bigger boat |
Posted By: Skoti
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2007 at 4:29pm
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I've just updated the Matakawau ramp info http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=21857&PN=2 - at the bottom of page 2 with the recent upgrades .
------------- COVID is no joke ! One former patient was so brain damaged after , he thought he won an election he lost by 7 million votes . |
Posted By: JK
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2007 at 2:57pm
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Northland ramps ---> http://www.nrc.govt.nz/Living-in-Northland/On-the-water/Boat-ramps-and-maps/ - http://www.nrc.govt.nz/Living-in-Northland/On-the-water/Boat-ramps-and-maps/
Wish other councils had this type of info! ------------- LedgeNZ LBG |
Posted By: pesertin
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2007 at 12:08pm
| http://www.northlandfishing.net.nz - http://www.northlandfishing.net.nz (no relation to this site) has a list of ramps in Northland and welcomes input from readers. Could become the resource you are looking for if enough people are willing to participate. |
Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 11 Dec 2007 at 10:52pm
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Taipa. For those of you planning on heading north, Taipa is an all tide dual concrete ramp with a pontoon and good parking... You can pull up to the pontoon and drop off your person to retrieve the car and trailer.. However its a bit of a mission at dead low tide to pass the painter rope around the poles to bring it to the ramp.. At low tide we simply disembark as per normal at the ramp... A fair current can run per tidal stream both ways on the outgoing and incoming tide .. The trick is to hold the bow of the boat against the current direction and have the driver deliver the trailer on an angle to accommodate retrieval..  The ramp and the Pontoon at the end of the Wharf..  On leaving the ramp, stay in the channel.. (the deeper water is easily seen) and on exiting and entering the river mouth, an"S" movement is required to exit/enter... As always if unsure.. ask a local.. ------------- http://postimage.org/" rel="nofollow">  http://www.tas-tackle.co.nz |
Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 10:22am
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Mangonui.. Mill Bay.. All tide dual concrete ramp with a pontoon and reasonable parking.. can get cluttered in summertime.. As the name denotes .. Mill Bay is "mostly' like a mill pond with an easy launch. Long pontoon allows 3 boats to tie up.. and another can be taken around the end to the opposite side.. Excellent for solo launch and retrieve The parking along the road  The Ramp and Pontoon..  ------------- http://postimage.org/" rel="nofollow"> http://www.tas-tackle.co.nz |
Posted By: Rotowarriors
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2007 at 7:07pm
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Thanks for that Fishmn, very informative as I will be heading up that way in Feb. You couldn't give me a opinion on Tokerau Beach launching could you? 5.8m Ali. cheers
Peter J
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Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2007 at 2:43pm
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Hi Roto... Haven't Launched there... but would depend on wind and sea state.. Timber from road to mean high water, good parking.. 4wd country ... Back to Taipa could be an option if the sea state doesn't allow launch.. within 20-25 mins away..
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Posted By: Rotowarriors
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2007 at 3:07pm
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cheers M8 |
. Can't wait, exploring new fishing possies, catching my first stick face n puka. Should be good.
Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2007 at 3:14pm
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Give me a PM in Feb and Ill catch up with you to wet a whistle or two... bring my laptop and show you the line we normally run ... starts about 5 miles out off the top of Kari Kari Pen end... Apparently you can launch at Perehipi Bay ???? .... where will you be staying..?? ------------- http://postimage.org/" rel="nofollow"> http://www.tas-tackle.co.nz |
Posted By: Rotowarriors
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2007 at 5:25pm
Will do Fishmn , Staying at Whatuwhiwhi camp from Waitangi day
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Posted By: Barfly
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2007 at 11:02am
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Launching from Tokerau beach is possible, though you may have to push the trailer out a fair distance at the Whatuwhiwhi end. There is good access all along the beach from Ramp road to Whatuwhiwhi. Personally I gave up launching off the beach, and prefer to go in at Perihipe Bay - follow the road around past the Fire station at Whatuwhiwhi. DONT take your vehicle along the beach past the small creek where it exits over the sand, or you will get stuck, trust me! Better to launch at the far left hand side, park the tow vehicle high up on the beach so you dont obstruct access for others. Please take care - lots of children swim at this delightful spot. Lock your vehicle ! Another great spot is Matai Bay, not too far on past Whatuwhiwhi, with easy launching of the beach in most winds/tides.
Petrol/deisel is available from the Whatuwhiwhi store, or fill up as you pass Taipa.
Enjoy!
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Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2007 at 9:23pm
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Whangaroa Ramp. (Need to get petrol from Kaeo) Good sheltered concrete ramp all tides but can be slippery and difficult for larger boats at dead low.. Limited parking but normally not a problem apart from xmas holidays where it can get congested and a wee walk is in order.. If self launching there are poles to tie up to..  The ramp at half tide...  The Harbour entrance with Stevensons Island some 2-3 miles out (left background..)  The entrance from hill top in the inner harbour.. Tauranga Bay just around the background point on the right.. ------------- http://postimage.org/" rel="nofollow"> http://www.tas-tackle.co.nz |
Posted By: Rotowarriors
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2007 at 3:23pm
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Thanks for that Barfly, after talking with the camp they have confirmed that launching is at perehipe, so thanks for the heads up I heard Matai was a bit dodgy, like you may come back from fishing and find your vehicle or trailer is no longer there sort of dodgy.
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Posted By: Barfly
Date Posted: 31 Dec 2007 at 8:36am
Leave me some fish ROTOWARRIORS  I will be up there again this week. You have been informed correctly re the sticky fingered sods out Matai Bay way - its not advised that you go past the entrance to the DOC camping ground - if you leave your vehicle on that track you may find it deliberately damaged on your return....
The ramp at Kaiangaroa North (northern side of Whangaroa harbour) looks pretty good - does anyone have any info on it?
Cheers everyone and have a happy New Year.
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Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2008 at 12:12am
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Houhora. Game Club all tide concrete ramp.. drop off either side and subject to tidal current.. Can be slippery..  Good parking but a few mins walk up the hill.. Harbour well marked and 5 kn restrictions enforced...  The Gap as you leave the harbour entrance ------------- http://postimage.org/" rel="nofollow"> http://www.tas-tackle.co.nz |
Posted By: Rotowarriors
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2008 at 10:58am
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Hey Fishmn is that the Gamefishing club ramp or the other one???
cheers
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Posted By: The Gremlin
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2008 at 11:26am
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Looking at the pictures it is the game fish club ramp not the commercial one down the road. ------------- Nothing else to life but fishing and beer!. |
Posted By: Rotowarriors
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2008 at 11:45am
| Ta MK |
Posted By: top-mark
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2008 at 8:00pm
| hi guys. any boatie/trout fishers: out there know what the boat ramp Off Grays Road at the Haldon Boat Harbour, of lake benmore is like? report+pixs please. Cheers TM. |
Posted By: tas-tackle
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2008 at 8:59pm
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Rangiputa. Beach access with hard sand.. Limited parking roadside but plenty above high water mark.. (check your tides , see photo for parking)..  As you can see no problems for a larger boat  Parking above the high water mark.. Plenty of room along the whole beach as long as its NOT full tide where 4wd would then be recommended.  The entrance to Rangaunu Harbour... (few mins from beach launch) (Check your Hydro Maps or GPS for guidance for the locations of the bricks)  Around from the entrance and looking across Rangaunu Bay towards Gt Exhibition Bay in the far right distance. HouHora entrance and Mt Camel centre background. ------------- http://postimage.org/" rel="nofollow"> http://www.tas-tackle.co.nz |
Posted By: Fishabunga
Date Posted: 13 Mar 2008 at 9:58pm
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Hi top-mark, I suggest that you try the freshwater fishing forum . ------------- FISH FIGHT AOTEAROA THE PEOPLES PROTEST |
Posted By: Andrew
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2008 at 6:17pm
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hey guys check out this we're about to launch the "north" section so if anyones keen on helping etc let me know. http://www.projectlocal.co.nz/index.php/boatramps_beaches - http://www.projectlocal.co.nz/index.php/boatramps_beaches ------------- www.projectlocal.co.nz Everything fishing,scuba diving and spearfishing in New Zealand. |
Posted By: Far Quirk
Date Posted: 12 May 2008 at 7:21pm
If you want to launch a boat at St Heliers in Auckland you will need a good 4WD that can cope with deep soft sand. See below the photo of St Heliers Beach - ramp conspicuous by its absence.
 This was a council stuff-up that took away a useful ramp after the beach was resanded. The budget was $4.3 million for resanding, and they couldn't find $280,000 for a replacement ramp. We haven't given up. A team of determined fishos will eventually get the ramp back. We're going to drive the beaurocrats mad with niggle niggle niggle until they cough up the $280K in exasperation. PM me or email mailto:[email protected] - [email protected] if you'd like more info, or would like to join the niggle-team.
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Posted By: Moki Marko
Date Posted: 23 Jun 2008 at 7:09pm
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hava look at: www.projectlocal.co.nz
I'm sure Andrew would love to get all these pictures for the website, it' s still under construction but looks great.
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Posted By: Phantom Menace
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2008 at 12:24pm
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Have a look at the work Haydan has done on tagging ramps in Google Earth. He has created a topic in " http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/default.asp?C=19 - General Fishing Topics > http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/forum_topics.asp?FID=37 - Hints, tips and tech stuff!> Google Earth - Boat Ramps"
http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=30235&PID=442180#442180 - http://www.fishing.net.nz/asp_forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=30235&PID=442180#442180
Looks like a good means of presenting a lot of the valuable info available. (not that I have had a play with Google Earth really).
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Posted By: jackel
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2008 at 2:01pm
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Hi all, does anyone have pics and/or advise on the One Tree Point boat ramp at Whangarei? I'm pretty sure its concrete but any further advise or pics would be appreciated.
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Posted By: wnw
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2008 at 3:12pm
| jackel.....use the new marina at One Tree Point. Good ramp...no swell....good parking |
Posted By: DIY!
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2008 at 6:52pm
| Hi Guys this is gold! does any one have info for kuaotuna? |
Posted By: The Gremlin
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2008 at 8:56pm
I will try and post some pic's tomorrow. ------------- Nothing else to life but fishing and beer!. |
Posted By: ramprage
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2008 at 9:29pm
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I Should tell ya, as it only will encourage all the people from Whitanga and Matarangi, as it is I find it easier to drop the ute and trailer back home over the holidays, and call up and get someone to meet us at the ramp. 1st of all its not a good ramp at low tide, especially if you have a boat over 5m plus, two reasons. (1) very little water at the ramp and you will be backing your car in to salt water (2) People coming in cant tell how many people are waiting to get there boats out or people wanting to get out due to the break water wall, and its amazing how many people think they have R.O.W when coming in. When leaving the ramp prefabley 2 hrs either side of low tide, head to the first Rock that has a marker on it. turn hard to home bay at the Mercs keeping the two markers on the hill side in line with the marker on the rock (this gives you three points), to the Left 10 yard out is a massive rock, which just breaks the water line at low tide. Chewed many a prop that on. Rocks to the right of you also, so don't over stare. Best time to go out is in the evening, go out 400m on dusk, slightly to the right of the point and line up home bay, plus less people and no pressure to put your boat in or out. Just REMEMBER to have plenty of patience over Xmas time, there's been enough punch up's on this ramp Sorry I dont have any pictures, but I believe the best time to take them is at low tide about 10 oclock when the wind get's up, people are coming in and people are tring to get out, its better than buying a ticket to watch the All Blacks play at Eden park. ------------- When the going gets tough...the tough keep going |
Posted By: Grunta
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2008 at 9:42pm
Good summary Scottie - here's a pic to go with that....
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Posted By: kens
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2008 at 9:55pm
If the easterly comes in at simpsons over the break and I get bored I may wander over to watch a bit of sport ------------- The past, the present and the future walked into a bar. It was tense. |
Posted By: FishermanRay
Date Posted: 22 Mar 2009 at 12:28pm
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Seaview Marina Wellington is my fav lauunch with a floating pontoon and acess so easy at high or low tides,washdown facilities and toilets there also .All in costs $8 to launch or $115 for a season pass,pay as you enter machine or card swipe .
http://www.seaviewmarina.co.nz/ - http://www.seaviewmarina.co.nz/
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