Question floating pupae
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Topic: Question floating pupae
Posted By: P-A
Subject: Question floating pupae
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2007 at 11:53am
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Hi guys
Just the big swede harrasing you once more.
Ha any of u tried to fish with floating sedge puppaes
for trout in NZ water?
I have one that i call the super puppae seal variant.
Its a killer here in sweden both for trout, rainbows and grayling
Do think it could be something for NZ trouts?
P-A
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Posted By: kiwitroutbum
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 2:05pm
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I'm sure they will go well skated as well P-A.
When you are here rivers like the Clutha and Waiau should have some decent hatch activity.
Bring these and give them a whirl.
Probably work in the non hatch period too.
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Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 14 Jul 2007 at 11:01pm
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Thanks KTB
I will surely try them, it would be magical to get
a good rise when i am down under.
Thats something we dont se every day here (1 out of 10 perhaps.)
P-A
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Posted By: Chris Dore
Date Posted: 21 Jul 2007 at 10:03pm
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I like the look of the one on the bottom. Reminds me of an old dragonfly nymph I used to use with great success.
Trim the body hackle down to shape - flat along the back, tapered cigar shape for the body, add a little weight, maybe mono eyes (optional) and a short squat squirrel tail and you have a very deadly dragonfly nymph. Brown or green, they work a treat on stillwaters and ponded streams!
I actually think I read about it in one of Mudfish's articles years ago "the MacDonald Mudeye?"
chris
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Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2007 at 10:38am
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Ok Chris
I will tie some versions of that dragon larvae also.
Thanks for the tip!!
P-A
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Posted By: Tore
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2007 at 7:05pm
| Yes, P-A I have used a few variations of these flies, and with great success. They work in both fast and slow running water. The funny thing is, when you come across 'selective' trout that seemingly have locked themselves on one specific fly, chances are one of these will do the trick. |
Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2007 at 8:26pm
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Seemingly is a good word Tore because except for some evening hatches on the Wairarapa rivers and the Southland streams of note I have never encountered a selective trout in NZ... Wary yes, pattern dependant no....
And P-A... yes they'll work... they'll work well.
Recognition is and can be a key ingrediant in fooling our wary trout... heading to a stream believing that having the specific imitation for a specific insect on which trout will be feeding specifically is a mindset that is for waters, in the vast majority of cases, other than those found in NZ. ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier 
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Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2007 at 4:32am
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So the fish dont need specifics down under either. Thats good news because i dont really like the semi realistic stuff.
So i will be better of i by a camo-flyline insted of spending my money
on those kind of flies then.
Best Regards
P-A
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Posted By: Pole Dancer
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2007 at 9:35am
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Exactly Per-Anders... I haven't seen a fly you have posted on here that would not be a successful fly fished down here... you seem to have most angles covered with excellent flies. ------------- http://www.clarkreid.co.nz" rel="nofollow - www.clarkreid.co.nz FFF Certified Casting Instructor / Umpqua Designer Tier
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Posted By: Chris Dore
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2007 at 10:23am
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I dont go for the exact imitation theory, but believe there are certain factors which should be considered in most fly design
http://www.flyshop.co.nz/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=8;t=483 - http://www.flyshop.co.nz/cgi-bin/forum/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=8;t=483
Again, trout are for the most part, opportunistic feeders. At most times of the day there is relativly little food washing down in the drift (particularly when compared with US streams) and so holding out for a particular food item would see them going hungary for the most part. Trout must accept whatever drifts into their foraging range and so if you present something of roughly the right size, with roughly the right shape you are in with a grin.
Trout feed more specifically when one food item is in large abundance, and foraging around a large search area for many differently shaped items no longer becomes the most efficient way to feed. They can focus on just the one prey item and position themselves to best take advantage of these in the drift... Good return for energy spent - this is what its all about.
As clarke stated above, there arent too many places where this occurs with any regularity here in NZ, and for the most part, a well presented blowfly pattern or para adams will hit your surface feeder, as will a size 16 hares ear etc below.
Chris
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Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2007 at 7:25am
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Thanks very much for those kind words Cikada.
I sell some flies here in sweden and have some own designes
that work excellent here in the mountain springcreeks and big
rifle stream but i mainly use the czech nympg teqnic here and seldom
dryflies since the large fish in out streams are mainly caught on
rather big nymphs, ants, wasps, caddis immiations all tied with
plenty of tungsten to get them down quik.
My goal with going to NZ is to catch a trophy trout on a dryfly
or a emerger pattern and thats not my speciallity in flytying
U and Chris have assured me that my patterns will work down there and
for that i thank u guys from the bottom of my heart since i think that
a fish caught on my own design of fly is the best experiance a
flyfisher/tier can get.
Best Regards
P-A
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Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2007 at 7:31am
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U have the same idea for trout in NZ waters that i have for my swedish water which i have fished for more than 25 years now. This assures me that i will be able to catch some good sized browns down under. I have hired Peter Fordham for backcountry fishing on the north island, Nikolj Mathesien for the saltwater fishing for Mako/kings/Trevally and on the south Island i have hired Robbie Mcphee from Tropy water movie.
This is to maximize my efforts and learn how to fish NZ waters in 8-10 days and then fish on my own.
If u ever are coming to sweden for fishing give me a buzz and will hook
u up with good people or guide u my self. This goes for Cikada two.
Thanks a whole heap.
P-A
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Posted By: Chris Dore
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2007 at 10:02am
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P-A. Are you ready to accept long walks and blank days?
That is something I ask people who specifically wish to target trophy trout. The rivers they inhabit often require long walks for a low population of large fish. They are the kings of their pools, and rarely tolerate comprtition for food. There are MANY places you can go to hit a few 7 - 9lb fish, but to specifically target 10lb plus, sight fishing with the dry, its a whole new ball game.
Trophy fish demand only the most stable of pools. These are their homes, and so they want sections of river where they are afforded cover and a reliable supply of food (hence the need for stable stream bed) in all conditions. They may move around a lot in these select sections, but learning to identify potential trophy water, and passing by the rest is the number one requirement of a successful trophy hunter.
One river I fish holds a low population of heavy browns. Some days you can walk for miles and not see a fish. Some days you can walk for miles and find several. When you find them out it can be very enjoyable!
Its the way these rivers work, and as long as you can handle and accept blank days, then you can turn these days into a learning experience.
One thing you can do right now is to ensure your casting and presentation is on the mark. You will often only get one shot at these fish. If you're too slow getting your fly off the keeper and onto the water, if your falsecasting spooks them, if your line lands heavily, if your well tied, super dupa fly drags unnaturally or if you are not used to casting whilst kneeling, or sometimes lying prone in the scrub, then you will not catch this hard stalked fish.
Practise, practise, practise mate. Its one thing you can do to put the odds in your favour!
Remember, finding these fish is only 10% of the battle!
Hope this helps
Chris
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Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2007 at 11:41pm
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Hi Chris
Of course i am prepared to have blank days, when i started to fish for seatrouts in the sea i had 22 blank days in a row before i caught my first fish.
 I normally dont fish waters with loads of small fish i"ll seek out the trophy section in no time, thats here in sweden.Thats the reason why i have hired guides in NZ to learn the code down under.
Thanks for all your answer
P-A
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Posted By: Chris Dore
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2007 at 8:35pm
| sounds like you'll have fun mate. Give me a call when you hit queenstown and we'll hit one of my bug fush rivers for a friendly fish! |
Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2007 at 9:32pm
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Hi Chris
That would be really sweet to come and fish for a day
with u!! But what the heck is a bug fush river??
I will IM my mobilephone number when we come down
to christchurch. Do u like maltwhisky??
Best Regards
P-A
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Posted By: Chris Dore
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2007 at 10:03pm
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anything goes mate! Bug Fush is a play on the kiwi accent
Bug Fush = Big Fish.
In Australian....
Big Fish = Beeg Feesh
I have just the river in mind ;)
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Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2007 at 6:18am
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Know the big dumb swede gets it. Sounds like a plan then chris, i"ll bring the food, beers and whisky
and u bring the knowledge.
Will have some special flies for u also.
P-A
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Posted By: mulletguts
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2007 at 10:56pm
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Hi men, can not wait for the post from this trip your plaining ,have a drink for me . ------------- 
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Posted By: P-A
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2007 at 8:16am
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Hi Mullet
It will be super to fish with CD that seems like
a fountain of knowledge regarding the fishing down under.
We will surely have a wee dram for u to.
P-A
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