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Printed Date: 27 May 2026 at 2:11pm


Topic: Black Magic rod bucket
Posted By: Alan L
Subject: Black Magic rod bucket
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2025 at 1:41pm
Anyone tried replacing the pin in the thing?
Mine broke today. I am thinking of drilling thru from the outside and see whats up. Hard to work out how they did it.
Just wondering if anyone has been down this track.
Alan


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Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2025 at 7:46pm
I just had a gander at mine and it looks like during manufacture they have moulded it in place. Never heard of one breaking. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Black magic comes to the party with a replacement or at least a good discount. I'd be wary of putting a bolt through as this would likely rub against your inner thigh. 


Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2025 at 3:09pm
Thanks for the reply - was just cracking in to it. Thought I should check.
Yes I have started drilling in from one side and the pin seems firmly set in there. I have hit the pin and started trying to punch it thru. Not budging. Yes - the bolt may be a problem on the outside - unless I can recess it. That plastic looks solid in there.
That broken pin cost me a rod and a good fish, and a lure.
The rod dropped down and jammed past the broken pin  (bigger butt section higher up)- while the fish (YF) was at the boat waiting for a gaff. The base of the rod lodged itself in my nuts.  Things got awkward, then the fish bolted under the boat. Another broken rod for the collection.
Maybe I will contact BM too - good idea.
Regards
Alan


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Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2025 at 4:44pm
Right - got the broken bits out. Not meant to come out, was a bit tricky. I think I can fix it. A 2 1/2x 1/4" stainless bolt will do.
Just need to find one.
Have contacted BM, just in case.
Found the ceneter bit of the pin on the floor of the boat.
Alan


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Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2025 at 7:53pm
Great photo and you have done well to get that out. Thumbs Up. consider a cap screw/bolt as that would recess better. 


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2025 at 10:43am
How did you get it out Alan? Vice grips and a fight or drill a hole and smash it out? It looks like it was molded in.

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Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 31 Aug 2025 at 3:48pm
Yes moulded in. So.... The longer bit was still partly sticking out in the bucket. The middle bit was rolling around on the floor of the boat, the other end was flush or less than on the other side of the bucket. I marked where I thought the holes should be and drilled from the outside in - about 6mm. I was pretty close - I hit the back of both pins. The pin is 6mm, so then I drilled to 8mm for clearance and tried levering the long bit out backwards. Would not budge. So then I put some heat on it and twisted it with vice grips. That sort of freed it a bit. I was then able to lever it out with a jemmy bar in the bucket. So one side is now clear - the other is bit more tricky. Can't heat it. So I drilled out to 8mm.The drill hole was tapered - not a clean face - so I dug around the edges with a screw driver to clear the edges. Then with a stout ground off nail (punch), I punched from the clear side. Took some brute force but finally it came free. I have now drilled a 12mm outer hole each side - to accomodate a screw head and a socket for the nut on the other end. This bolt will be internal, so I just need to blank off the 12mm holes. It will do for now. I used it today with just the bolt sitting in there. Was fine. But need a longer bolt I can put a nut on.
It is not like I can walk down the road and buy another one here (Vtu). There will likely be something available - but I would rather fix this if I can.
Alan


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Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2025 at 2:56pm
Ideally I might find a bolt with a 50mm shank. But prob have to wait til I get back to NZ. Meantime this will work. There is no nut on the end right now. Bolt too short. Needs another 10mm. But it may not need a nut - it is threaded in to the plastic. Just need to find a couple of 12mm blanking grommets now. But this bolt will be easy to replace if needed.
Alan




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Posted By: Ho Dee
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2025 at 5:16pm
Put some of that neadit stuff in the ends I've used it for repairing all sorts of stuff it works good


Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 01 Sep 2025 at 8:29pm
I will have to google that.
Thx
Alan


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Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2025 at 7:50am
Originally posted by Alan L Alan L wrote:

I will have to google that.
Thx
Alan


"Knead It" with a "K". Good maleable product with an Aqua option for wet use.


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2025 at 8:26am
Yes Knead It or JB Weld would work. When you do get it sorted you will want the unthreaded portion of the bolt to be where the nock of  rod butt sits. It's going to chew up the rod with any prolonged use.

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Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2025 at 5:18pm
I got lucky with the right bolt in town. Cap screw/Allen head.Cap screw/Allen head) Any day you find half what you are looking for is a good day.
I think I will leave the ends open for now, no real reason to close them in. WhenI find a 12mm blanking grommet (prob NZ) I will fit that. But this is an easy change out now if I ever needed to. Can't see why I should tho.
Alan








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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2025 at 6:25pm
Nice! How have you bonded the bolt in there?

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Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2025 at 7:19pm
Great work Alan. Nice seeing the photos too. kiwi ingenuity at it's best. 


Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2025 at 10:19pm
The bolt isn't 'bonded' in there. It is mounted on the same lugs the initial pin was. It probably doesn't need the nut, but I put it there in case. With a bit of soft loctite. The bolt can't move anywhere. The nut is only finger tight.
Alan


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Posted By: Jaapie
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2025 at 9:58am
That is really smart - nice work brother.

I hate throwing stuff away for a 'minor' defect, although this was a tad more than minor.
Bit of lateral thinking and you've saved yourself a few hundred bucks on top of it too.

Thumbs Up


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Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2025 at 3:26pm
The 'fix it' generation show their skills. Thumbs Up


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2025 at 6:26pm
Originally posted by Fish Addict Fish Addict wrote:

The 'fix it' generation show their skills. Thumbs Up

Yes


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Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2025 at 7:26pm
If you 'live' in Vanuatu for some time and can't fix a heap of stuff, your life is very inconvenient and expensive.
Stuff craps out here at an alarming rate. Never seen anything like it. Weedeaters, mowers, gas water heaters, vehicles, boats , not to mention gamefishing gear. It is a constant process. My ute had a starter motor issue yesterday. Fixed thankfully. My boat had a small leak and I had to strip the hull out a couple of days ago.. I have a bunch of trailer parts I brought over in my luggage recently. When my mates get here shortly, they will bring the rest of it, along with a bunch of other stuff. Then I can replace a whole lot of rusted fittings on the trailer. It is hard work at times just keeping everything working as needed. But I have never missed a fishing day with broken stuff. 
I spend a good deal of my time, when not fishing, fixing stuff.
Unfortunately I didn't get to try the rod bucket out today. Saw a couple of cracking YF that would have given it a serious workout - but they didn't want to know about my aspirations. Next time.
Alan


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Posted By: Telecaster
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2025 at 7:42pm
Why's that? Just the high humidity and salty air?


Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 04 Sep 2025 at 8:57pm
Yes I guess so. Tough environment. We call it the V factor. But some of it just doesn't make sense.
I got sick of fixing 2 stroke stuff so recently bought a battery Stihl hedge trimmer and a seperate battery weedeater unit.  Everything here costs a lot more - about $1k for NZ retail $600 for the two units. But I figured I had fixed my 2 stroke issues. The hedge trimmer was going fine for about 4 mths then I came back to NZ and 2-3 months later it failed. My mate here had a look and took it in to the 'dealer'. Motor seized. Meantime they lost 1 screw and stripped another thread. I purchased another motor while in NZ - cost about $200 - only 1 in stock in NZ (which suggests they don't expect them to fail). When I got back to Vtu I swapped it over. The dealer here said 6 mth warranty - sorry. The NZ dealer said 3 yr - if I bring the unit in they will replace, free of charge. Obviously I couldn't do that. I pulled the failed motor apart - one lug on the commutator winding had detached itself from the armature.. Clearly manufacture failure. I bonded it back and have as spare now.
I just fitted a new Yamaha F70 to my boat - brilliant motor. The warranty here is 6 mths. I think Aus/NZ is 3-5 yrs.
Electrical stuff near no warranties.
It is just a tough environment I think.
I did contact BM about the rod bucket failure - no response. I guess they rather want pics of gurnard on a 10/0 hook or something.
So my GME boat radio has just failed. About 2 yrs old. The mic cord has completely disintegrated. I sent a pic to GME a few days ago. They have replied tonight. They are offereing a new mic cord at least.  But have no explanation why all the coating on the cord has fallen off.
V factor.
Alan


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Posted By: Ho Dee
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2025 at 4:54pm
Hi Alan a bit off topic but I see you mentioned the F70. Has it lived up to your   expectations, got the power you require etc.


Posted By: krow
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2025 at 7:07pm
Originally posted by Alan L Alan L wrote:

So my GME boat radio has just failed. About 2 yrs old. The mic cord has completely disintegrated. I sent a pic to GME a few days ago. They have replied tonight. They are offereing a new mic cord at least.  But have no explanation why all the coating on the cord has fallen off.
V factor.
Alan
The cords are prone to UV damage. I always cover my whole dash with a towel when not in use. 


Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2025 at 7:42pm
So my old GME ws in the boat for about 18 yrs, most of which was in Vtu. The cord is fine. This one has been in 2 yrs and has completely fallen to bits. Anyway, today they sent me a new one (NZ). My friends coming over in a coupole of weeks can bring it (and a pile of other stuff). Once again - if you can't fix stuff, things get awkward. I will fit it myself.

"Hi Alan a bit off topic but I see you mentioned the F70. Has it lived up to your   expectations, got the power you require etc"

Mate, I cannot tell you how happy I am with this motor. It is brilliant. Perfect for my boat (5.3 Fyran).  I was very concerned about dropping from a 90 2S to a 70 4s. I needen't have worried. I seriously cannot see any loss in power and the fuel econmy is nuts. It has changed my fishing. I have fuel for the day now and can troll whenever needed (45l tank). 
Did you reply to my original query about the F70? 
Today was windy, just bait fished in close - for a coming Live on Board  trip. 
4+ hrs, 10.8 liters.
The closest Fad is about 20k away. I fished it yday for about 7 hrs - 21 liters. Bonkers. I love this motor.
Regards
Alan 



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Posted By: Ho Dee
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2025 at 10:02pm
Yes. I had one on the buccaneer I had and was surprised and impressed with how well it went as well. Happy fishing


Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2025 at 4:20pm
Thanks for the positive feedback on the yamaha. I really was in two minds, going down to 70 HP.
I think I got a couple of positive replies - yours was one of them then. That was enough for me to make the call. I figured the impressive brochure performance specs would be under the most optimal conditions. I was looking for some real world experience.
So I have the same boat and 90 Merc 2S back in NZ. I am now wondering why I shouldn't change that over too.
I was waiting to see how this motor would go for the hole shot -0 since in NZ I beach launch in to surf. Every second counts when you want full power. But this thing revs out at least as quick as the Merc does. I can't fault it.
Regards
Alan


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