Rigging Questions
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Printed Date: 26 Jan 2026 at 2:45pm
Topic: Rigging Questions
Posted By: Gaz1
Subject: Rigging Questions
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2024 at 6:00pm
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Hey guys,
I've been getting a lot of snags and losing a fair amount of sinkers, hooks and swivels. I recently had an idea to use 3 way swivels to have my sinker run from the bottom ring, hook from the middle ring and tied from the top ring. Is there a way to tie a "softer" knot for the sinker so that if it becomes the reason to get the rig stuck, it will break before anything else that is tied? I've been using the uni knot for pretty much everything.
Happy for any advice really, cheers
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Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2024 at 6:12pm
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Just use a lighter breaking strain line to attach the sinker.
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2024 at 6:27pm
Fish Addict wrote:
Just use a lighter breaking strain line to attach the sinker.
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Makes sense. Cheers.
Another question I have is do I need to add mono to the end of my braid main line? A guy I know mentioned adding a meter or so of mono to the end of my braid before putting on a rig.
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2024 at 6:36pm
Another question I have is, would using circle hooks on dropper rigs be a better option than normal J hooks? I feel like if I try to strike with the dropper rig it doesn't hit.
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Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2024 at 7:09pm
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Braid line isn't particularly abrasion resistant so a metre or so of mono above the rig may help if you are fishing on foul ground. Circle hooks and don't strike, let the fish hook itself.
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Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2024 at 7:36pm
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If this is boat fishing, then a lighter sinker or even no sinker at all in addition to the good advice given above.
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 28 Apr 2024 at 10:44pm
MB wrote:
If this is boat fishing, then a lighter sinker or even no sinker at all in addition to the good advice given above. |
This would be me fishing off the rocks/beach/wharf/jetty. Can't really afford a boat or a charter trip in this economy  I'm thinking of using circle hooks with a float rig also, or would J hooks and striking be better?
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Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2024 at 7:30am
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OK, you can still fish unweighted or with less weight off most land based spots, maybe not beach most of the time though. Float rigs are underutilised in NZ and could be a solution.
Circle hook or J hook? An endless discussion! With a float rig, you should know when you get a bite straight away, so I'd go J hook, but if you find you are gut hooking undersize fish, I'd switch to a circle hook.
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Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 29 Apr 2024 at 10:12am
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Have a look on YouTube to see how European saltwater anglers do float fishing. They are streets ahead of us in this respect. They have to be, not many fish left over there.
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 07 May 2024 at 4:32pm
Thanks for your replies MB.
I tried a bit of float fishing off the wharf at okahu but I stopped because I kept crossing lines with the other fishos.
I've been using a lot of pilchard recently and I have been cutting them into thirds, which leaves me the tail, the head and a chunk of flesh from the middle of the fish.
I've noticed the tails are exceptionally popular with snapper. The heads don't get as much action or just not as much as the fleshy part attached to the head, which my hook is usually not attached to due to the flesh being so soft.. The middle part of the fish is the part I dread baiting up as it is usually so soft and falls apart while putting on the hook or when I'm casting it to a distance.
I have bought some bait elastic which I'm unsure on how to use with circle hooks, but do any of you guys have tips on keeping the middle part of the fish on the hook? Should I try not to let it defrost to the point where it's falling apart? - if so, what would keep it on the hook in the water? Has anyone else noticed the same thing with pilchard tails being great and heads not so great?
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Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 07 May 2024 at 5:51pm
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Heads - I throw away - or use for burley. Not on my hook. Bait cotton - just wrap a few times and then end wrap around the shank. Don't put too much on - they don't seem to like it. Just enough to keep it on til they bite. Pillies are mushy if you re-freeze. Oncers. Just take (or thaw) what you are going to use. Alan
------------- Legasea Legend member
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 07 May 2024 at 6:59pm
Do you usually cut pillies into thirds or use them whole minus the head? Thanks for the advice, I guess I've been refreezing extra bait a bit too often.
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Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 07 May 2024 at 7:30pm
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I don't know why pilchards are NZ's favourite bait. Great fish attractors, but too soft. Blue mackerel has similar attractant properties, but much tougher skin, same with skippies if you want something bigger. Bait elastic helps. I'm a big fan of salted bait. Shop bought is expensive, but for someone like me who uses bait very occasionally, I consider it cost saving. Home salting is an option.
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Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 07 May 2024 at 9:35pm
I see MB has mentioned salted bait. Gaz1 you may find this of interest. http://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=salting+bait+for+fishing&mid=F2CA1B9B657DEC31055EF2CA1B9B657DEC31055E&FORM=VIRE " rel="nofollow - https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=salting+bait+for+fishing&mid=F2CA1B9B657DEC31055EF2CA1B9B657DEC31055E&FORM=VIRE
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 07 May 2024 at 9:46pm
Thanks guys, I'm gonna have a watch of that video and try salting up some of whats in the box of pillies I bought 
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Posted By: Mc Tool
Date Posted: 08 May 2024 at 3:28pm
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As touched on above pillies are delicate . I get them free frozen and bolt for home before they get a chance to thaw even a wee bit . Thaw them slowly ( like not in the sun in the back of the boat on way to ramp ) and then use . Left over pillies are berley as re-freezing them is almost as good as mincing them. When I lived Nelson way I used to get whole frozen raw prawns ( big ones ) either cut or snap the body off the tail whilst still frozen and keep the tails for me and use the body as bait . The snapper seemed to like them I also bought Sanmar free flow frozen , same deal as the pillies when it comes to refreezing just not so bad . When I used pillies ( or sardines ) if they are a bit dodgy I used a sliding keeper hook . A 5 inch pillie on a 4 or 5/0 circle main hook threaded thru the body twice then the keeper hook ( 3/0 J hook ) once thru the tail and then 1/2 hitch the leader round both the keeper shank and the tail .
------------- I wish I was young again .... Id be heaps smarter than this time
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Posted By: Tonto2
Date Posted: 08 May 2024 at 3:45pm
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Pilchards are very oily and a great attractant but as above very soft. When there are a lot of small fish around often your bait will be gone in a minute or two. Try a mix of pilly or skipjack tuna for smell and a tough bait like mullet kahawai or squid. What can happen is the small fish nibble away so quickly the bigger and often more cautious fish dont even get a look in. And also the small fish activity can rev the bigger ones up and maybe get them to bite IF you have some bait left. Dont forget if you choose to fish unweighted baits fresh is great as frozen baits float , unfrozen will sink down naturally. Dont forget to berley.
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Posted By: Fish Addict
Date Posted: 08 May 2024 at 4:56pm
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Gaz1 - imo pilchards don't make an ideal bait when fishing from the shore. Firmer / tougher baits are better options.
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 08 May 2024 at 8:29pm
Thanks for all the advice guys! If I can find some Sanmar, I might try that out. I've been trying out the rig you've mentioned Mc Tool but I think it hasn't been great thanks to how soft the pillies have been. I'll be sure to try it again though. I'll most likely get a bag of squid for my next fish. Is mixing squid and pilchard in a bag to have the scents together a good idea or not?
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Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 08 May 2024 at 8:46pm
Tonight's homework: research "cock in a sock"
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 08 May 2024 at 9:30pm
MB wrote:
Tonight's homework: research "cock in a sock"  |
I'll be honest, I'm definitely not going to google that 😂
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Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 08 May 2024 at 11:55pm
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Sanmar have found at burnsco,tougher than pillies, use as cut baits. HaHa MB yes googled cock in a sock.
Fishing from shore have found good old salted mullet works just fine.,might too start making some for those days where small fish about,,tend to leave alone.
------------- "Times up"
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 09 May 2024 at 7:00pm
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So curiosity got the best of me and I googled it + fishing. Very interesting concept, I'm unsure of how well it would do off the rocks though lol
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Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 09 May 2024 at 9:24pm
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It'll work just fine. You're using a tough bait with low scent (squid) to carry a soft bait with high scent (pilchard). Don't over think it. Snapper, assuming they are the target are filthy scavengers. I've seen them eat dead birds and polystyrene!
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 10 May 2024 at 10:06am
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I was planning on getting some squid on the way to Westhaven tomorrow morning so I guess I'll give it a try over there
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 11 May 2024 at 4:03pm
Nothing at Westhaven so I went to Herne Bay. Picked up a sabiki and luckily a few of the people who turned up had burley. Is it possible to use tiny Jack Mackerel (I think) for live bait? I put a few on my running rig but they seemed dying or tired by the time I got them into the water. Perhaps too small? I hooked them through the back.
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Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 11 May 2024 at 4:21pm
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If the live bait dies, it's dead bait. It will still catch snapper. Nose hooked might keep them alive longer. Repeated casting and retrieving of live baits will finish them off quickly, as will big, heavy hooks. You have to be organised when live baiting, bucket of water to keep the fish in while you get ready is useful. Next level would be slide baiting (Google!).
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Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 11 May 2024 at 5:54pm
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You are on the right track. Persevere - and follow MBs advice.
Good luck. Was anyone else catching off the wharf? Alan
------------- Legasea Legend member
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 12 May 2024 at 8:53am
Morning gents, The live bait and the dead bait both didn't attract any bites. I was using a 5/0 circle hook on my running rig so it was most likely too big for the tiny fish, and I probably shouldn't have had a sinker on. I'm about to look up slide baiting on youtube for a tutorial now. There were around 6 people all up on the wharf, 2 brought burley which mainly attracted sprats. There was something big chasing the sprats for a few minutes but I'm guessing I spooked it by casting towards it. 1 guy who had his line in the deeper end of the water caught a 40cm snapper at about 10am, and someone else caught something that looked like a pilchard, but besides that it was only sprats until I left at about 12.30. I returned at 5pm and stayed until 9 but only caught 2 baby snapper the entire time without any nibbles or bites after them. I read that wharves attract fish at night because of the lights that surround it, Wairangi wharf doesn't have any. Should I be using lights to shine into the water or should I have been at a different wharf?
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 12 May 2024 at 8:57am
Another question, when using burley in the shallows like that, where should I be casting and how far? The guy who caught the snapper yesterday reeled it in before the burley was in the water. Luck?
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Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 12 May 2024 at 9:30am
try the end of queens wharf where the cloud is,plenty people fish of there so no issue fishing
------------- "Times up"
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 12 May 2024 at 9:53am
Pcj wrote:
try the end of queens wharf where the cloud is,plenty people fish of there so no issue fishing
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Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 12 May 2024 at 10:53am
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I doubt you would find that info on depth of wharves. But the tide depths will be on tide tables. The fishing where you were the other day may well have been tough going - you only saw 1 decent fish caught. Normally if there were plenty around, some more would have been snagged, so don't get too discouraged. You can always ask the likes of someone who caught something, what technique/bait they are using. Then there is the bite time. I couldn't tell you how that works in Akl regarding harbours and tides, moon etc. But the locals will chip in. Sometimes, when the bite is on, your line struggles to hit the bottom. When the bite is off, there may be plenty of fish around - but good luck trying to catch something. That is fishing. I have sat over top of fish (on my sounder, in the boat) and not got a bite. You know they are down there. But can come home with zero. The sprats are going to be a challenge with the bait. Something a bit tougher - as suggested by MB may help. Good luck Alan
------------- Legasea Legend member
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Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 10:15am
Gaz1 wrote:
Another question, when using burley in the shallows like that, where should I be casting and how far? The guy who caught the snapper yesterday reeled it in before the burley was in the water. Luck?
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The marine environment is dynamic, so there are no hard and fast rules which is what makes fishing so fascinating and occasionally, frustrating. Sometimes snapper will literally be chomping on the burley bag. Other times, they are more cautious and hang well back.
Luck? It plays a part for sure, but what we try to do is reduce our reliance on luck.
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Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 10:21am
Gaz1 wrote:
I read that wharves attract fish at night because of the lights that surround it, Wairangi wharf doesn't have any. Should I be using lights to shine into the water or should I have been at a different wharf?
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I believe that light attracts small critters which attract baitfish which in turn attract bigger predators. Light can be good, but I wouldn't mind fishing in total darkness either. Fish have a great sense of smell.
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Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 13 May 2024 at 11:09am
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My best day fishing was back in late 80s early 90s off Challenger island,Kawau. October low tide midday sun and moon was up.No wind Calender said bad day. Certainly was. smallest 7lb and bigest went 14lb
Just shows you never know until you try.
------------- "Times up"
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Posted By: Gaz1
Date Posted: 21 May 2024 at 1:37pm
Thanks for all the advice guys! Finally caught me a keeper over at Westhaven today. I got some 7/0 circle hooks before I went out and made a running rig with a pilchard tail baited with some elastic holding it on. First cast and I caught a 37cm trevally, bled it and left for home before the rain got worse. Veeeeery happy with my fish and it will be going in the oven for dinner tonight!

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Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 21 May 2024 at 1:55pm
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Excellent Gaz, persistence pays off!
Trevally are one of our favourite eating fish. Don't let anyone put you off, although admittedly, the blood line (red meat) doesn't freeze very well, so I remove it if freezing trevally fillets. Doesn't sound like that's going to be an issue for you right now 
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Posted By: Mc Tool
Date Posted: 21 May 2024 at 2:08pm
Whoo hoo , Looks good man . Next time take an umbrella and stick around for a few more
------------- I wish I was young again .... Id be heaps smarter than this time
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