Print Page | Close Window

New Zealands biggest disgrace

Printed From: The Fishing Website
Category: Saltwater Fishing
Forum Name: The Briny Bar
Forum Description: The place for general chat on saltwater fishing!
URL: https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=138122
Printed Date: 19 May 2024 at 1:27am


Topic: New Zealands biggest disgrace
Posted By: Tonto2
Subject: New Zealands biggest disgrace
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 12:45pm
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/four-days-of-fine-weather-needed-for-safe-swimming-after-storms-scientist/Q7AR4U7QBVHHHGWH2TQGK655PA/" rel="nofollow - https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/four-days-of-fine-weather-needed-for-safe-swimming-after-storms-scientist/Q7AR4U7QBVHHHGWH2TQGK655PA/ Successive Governments and Councils neglect, the sick joke is the so many former Mayor's and politicians have been given knight hoods for the crap they have served up. STOP building new homes until you can stop polluting!

-------------
slowly going where everyone else has already been



Replies:
Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 1:53pm
Agree mate but NZ is like most countries. Money and greed over the environment we all can’t live without. Not many thinkers in the right positions 

-------------
The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 4:53pm
The lies we heard about how we needed to increase our population to 5 million so we could afford to improve our infrastructure. Ummm we now have 5 000 000 people and our roads are worse, the sewerage system is worse, there's not enough water except when we have heavy downpurs and then there's no enough drainage. But yeah,at least we have electric scooters

-------------
Best gurnard fisherman in my street


Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 5:05pm
Population growth/inmigration as an answer to our economic woes is a Ponzi scheme - dressed up in another name. 
Alan


-------------
Legasea Legend member


Posted By: cosmo
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 5:24pm
Originally posted by Alan L Alan L wrote:

Population growth/inmigration as an answer to our economic woes is a Ponzi scheme - dressed up in another name. 
Alan

AGREE 100%


-------------
i just want to go fishing..........amd ignore all my adult problems


Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 6:00pm
It is a disgrace but won't be fixed any time soon.  When they were in opposition National blamed Labour, but Nicolla Willis has already said it is nothing to do with the government, it's all down to the council.  Funny how quickly responsibility shifts.  The trouble is that councilors and Mayors are elected, and no one will vote for someone who wants to raise rates and cut other services in order to spend billions on new sewerage treatment works.  It's the same with most infrastructure, everyone wants it, but no one wants to pay for it. 


Posted By: Bounty Hunter
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 6:07pm
there's been plenty of swimming going on - has anyone heard of people getting sick?

-------------
No disintegrations!


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 6:47pm
NZ needs a population 10 million with skills,not just fruit pickers,uber drivers but real engineering skills etc

-------------
"Times up"


Posted By: Tonto2
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 8:00pm
Sorry I disagree, I thought we were doing pretty good at 3 mil

-------------
slowly going where everyone else has already been


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 11:04pm
Need to get back to Manufacturing not importing goods that can and were made here. Added value to export goods,not selling logs off to buy back as furniture etc

-------------
"Times up"


Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2024 at 11:13pm
Originally posted by Tonto2 Tonto2 wrote:

Sorry I disagree, I thought we were doing pretty good at 3 mil
I agree 3mil was a good number but back then they were and still are worried about the number of people retiring to the number of people entering into work. But how can you plan for roads and infrastructure with the high levels of immigration we have at the moment.


Posted By: lawabidingpoacher
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 6:44am
I think there has been very little thought whatsoever go into keeping up services to match the rate of housing and traffic increases which comes with expanding population , over the past 20 + years by anyone. Council's with no idea , developers who just don't care and just grab all the $ they can because they can . My view is any work which has been done are just knee jerk reactions to problems which are already years old and out of control. NZ is just going to be another polluted , over populated **** hole like so many other places around the world . I'm glad I won't be around to see it.


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 8:25am
Some mainstream economists are saying that a population of 15 million is required for economic development. 100 000 people a year moving to NZ, that's a population the size of Whangarei. Is a city the size of Whangarei being built every year with associated infrastructure (e.g. schools, hospitals, motorways)? 

Happy New Year Smile


Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by MB MB wrote:

Some mainstream economists are saying that a population of 15 million is required for economic development. 100 000 people a year moving to NZ, that's a population the size of Whangarei. Is a city the size of Whangarei being built every year with associated infrastructure (e.g. schools, hospitals, motorways)? 

Happy New Year Smile

"NO" AngryAngryAngry


-------------
Legasea Legend Member


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 5:44pm
Originally posted by Tonto2 Tonto2 wrote:

Sorry I disagree, I thought we were doing pretty good at 3 mil

Yes.


-------------
Best gurnard fisherman in my street


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 02 Jan 2024 at 5:45pm
Originally posted by v8-coupe v8-coupe wrote:

Originally posted by MB MB wrote:

Some mainstream economists are saying that a population of 15 million is required for economic development. 100 000 people a year moving to NZ, that's a population the size of Whangarei. Is a city the size of Whangarei being built every year with associated infrastructure (e.g. schools, hospitals, motorways)? 

Happy New Year Smile

"NO" AngryAngryAngry

Those people are total fools. 


-------------
Best gurnard fisherman in my street


Posted By: Lowbox
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 4:37pm
When I went to school we had 3m people, and what we were taught was a sustainable population was... zero population growth.

Now we import 100,000 people a year, mostly low wage migrants. But we dont build the houses or road or water pipes for that growth. Not that I think we need more people.

The amazing thing is that Kiwis have swallowed this bull****. Canada its a major election issue. Is the future we want a densely populated ****hole?


Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 03 Jan 2024 at 5:06pm
Exactly.
Short term policies by short term politicians.
Alan


-------------
Legasea Legend member


Posted By: Phantom Menace
Date Posted: 08 Jan 2024 at 2:31pm
The core challenge is that the infrastructure investment from councils has not kept up with growth and has also not kept up with asset maintenance requirements.  This is because they haven't wanted to look at funding models for it e.g. new developments have not paid their way in terms of infrastructure investment (not just water infrastructure) and also successive councils have kicked the can down the road (mostly because the wanted to get re-elected so didn't increase rates or look at sufficient new build levies etc.)

Those chickens are now coming home to roost ...

I think Auckland is the only city that has the historic data, done the modelling and put the results out to a website for all to see (safeswim.org.nz) to show where issues are after heavy rain.  I would wager that other cities (and towns) have the same (or worse) problems bit they are not publishing it.

3 Waters had it's issues but at least it was an attempt to do something about the water infrastructure problem.


Posted By: Bounty Hunter
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 4:41pm
What gives me the ****s - figuratively speaking, is when i see these 'news' articles - and remember the NZ Horid is constantly fishing for dramatic content  - is when i see articles about water qaulity, and then they refer to 'modelling' 

Ive seen more modelling from 'scientists' so far wrong its not funny - than ive heard of people getting sick swimming at the beach....

-------------
No disintegrations!


Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 5:22pm
Thats called risk aversion. Which turns up everywhere these days.
But it doesn't change the fact that things are going more tits up the more the population grows.
Alan


-------------
Legasea Legend member


Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 5:24pm
Originally posted by Bounty Hunter Bounty Hunter wrote:

What gives me the ****s - figuratively speaking, is when i see these 'news' articles - and remember the NZ Horid is constantly fishing for dramatic content  - is when i see articles about water qaulity, and then they refer to 'modelling' 

Ive seen more modelling from 'scientists' so far wrong its not funny - than ive heard of people getting sick swimming at the beach....

Same thing happened with Covid cases.
Basically, never happened, and yet those models kept our hospitals and health system shut down for nearly two years.
How many passed then or now due to not receiving a timely diagnosis and/or treatment.
I believe our weather service has five models they input data into then choose the one most likely to happen.
If true, could explain a lot.
Apologies if not.


-------------
Legasea Legend Member


Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 5:51pm
So where’s the Green Party in all of this, they should be all over this instead of going on about giving people on benefits more money and wearing Palestine customs to parliament.


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 6:44pm
If the Green Party were actually all about the environment instead of a far left party, I would have a lot more time for them.


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 09 Jan 2024 at 11:50pm
Originally posted by MB MB wrote:

If the Green Party were actually all about the environment instead of a far left party, I would have a lot more time for them.

What an 'environmental party' has to do with benefits for those who don't want to work escapes me.


-------------
Best gurnard fisherman in my street


Posted By: lawabidingpoacher
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2024 at 6:23am
Maybe most green supporters are unemployed?


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2024 at 9:07pm
What a **** show! How entitled do you have to be to become an MP in your adopted country, earn $160K+ per year in a public sector job plus significant benefits and then go shoplifting?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/golriz-ghahraman-shoplifting-allegations-green-party-knew-of-claims-against-mp-last-month/IPWXRSTVANDSTEOMXILPDWA3EE/" rel="nofollow - https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/golriz-ghahraman-shoplifting-allegations-green-party-knew-of-claims-against-mp-last-month/IPWXRSTVANDSTEOMXILPDWA3EE/


Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2024 at 9:33pm
The greens have become a party of celebrities all trying to get air time on TV, the problem they have now is all the main parties have their own environmental policies which basically are the same as the greens so they are struggling to be relevant.

Hey but she will say she’s so sorry and is having some issues and everyone will forgive her, same as the labour justice MP who got pulled over DIC and ran off down the road. She just got on TV and said I’ve got some issues and that was it never heard of again.


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 12 Jan 2024 at 9:43pm
Neither are fit for public office ever again and I would say the same about an MP from any party. 


Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2024 at 10:52am
Originally posted by Kandrew Kandrew wrote:

The greens have become a party of celebrities all trying to get air time on TV, the problem they have now is all the main parties have their own environmental policies which basically are the same as the greens so they are struggling to be relevant.

Hey but she will say she’s so sorry and is having some issues and everyone will forgive her, same as the labour justice MP who got pulled over DIC and ran off down the road. She just got on TV and said I’ve got some issues and that was it never heard of again.

She was sacked as a minister, had to stand down as an MP and is currently awaiting trial for the offences.  That's as much as would happen to anyone else, don't really see any special treatment there.

I lost what little respect I had for the green party when they all turned up for the opening of parliament dressed in support of Palestine.  I'm sure they would argue otherwise, but that looks like condoning terrorism to me.   


Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2024 at 1:58pm
Originally posted by Kevin.S Kevin.S wrote:

Originally posted by Kandrew Kandrew wrote:

The greens have become a party of celebrities all trying to get air time on TV, the problem they have now is all the main parties have their own environmental policies which basically are the same as the greens so they are struggling to be relevant.

Hey but she will say she’s so sorry and is having some issues and everyone will forgive her, same as the labour justice MP who got pulled over DIC and ran off down the road. She just got on TV and said I’ve got some issues and that was it never heard of again.

She was sacked as a minister, had to stand down as an MP and is currently awaiting trial for the offences.  That's as much as would happen to anyone else, don't really see any special treatment there.

I lost what little respect I had for the green party when they all turned up for the opening of parliament dressed in support of Palestine.  I'm sure they would argue otherwise, but that looks like condoning terrorism to me.   
 
Correct.
Hamas do not want peace as it threatens their Raison d'être and existence.



-------------
Legasea Legend Member


Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2024 at 3:01pm
Originally posted by v8-coupe v8-coupe wrote:

Originally posted by Kevin.S Kevin.S wrote:

Originally posted by Kandrew Kandrew wrote:

The greens have become a party of celebrities all trying to get air time on TV, the problem they have now is all the main parties have their own environmental policies which basically are the same as the greens so they are struggling to be relevant.

Hey but she will say she’s so sorry and is having some issues and everyone will forgive her, same as the labour justice MP who got pulled over DIC and ran off down the road. She just got on TV and said I’ve got some issues and that was it never heard of again.


She was sacked as a minister, had to stand down as an MP and is currently awaiting trial for the offences.  That's as much as would happen to anyone else, don't really see any special treatment there.

I lost what little respect I had for the green party when they all turned up for the opening of parliament dressed in support of Palestine.  I'm sure they would argue otherwise, but that looks like condoning terrorism to me.   

 
<span style="font-family: "Source Sans Pro"; font-size: 16px;">Correct.</span>
<span style="font-family: "Source Sans Pro"; font-size: 16px;">Hamas do not want peace as it threatens their Raison d'être and existence.</span>

The Greens only did it as a political stunt to get some airtime of TV. But good to see NZ journalists didn’t make a big song and dance about it.


Posted By: Richie99
Date Posted: 15 Jan 2024 at 10:11am
Well instead of just talking here about all the problems we have why don’t you make a court case or figure something else out to fix these problems? New political party 😂


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 21 Feb 2024 at 6:33pm
Wheres tough talking Mark Mitchell now??

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/509728/we-were-hiding-in-the-house-feeling-absolutely-threatened-traveller-s-motorbike-stolen-and-stripped" rel="nofollow - https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/509728/we-were-hiding-in-the-house-feeling-absolutely-threatened-traveller-s-motorbike-stolen-and-stripped

The German traveller was staying in a bach in the tiny Hawke's Bay town of Nuhaka and said he and his son hid in the house, feeling threatened by a group of locals who laughed at them and made throat-slitting gestures.

Police said in a statement the location of the bike, while suspicious, did not prove it was stolen by the home's occupiers.

They gave the pair a police escort out of town.



-------------
"Times up"



Print Page | Close Window