Print Page | Close Window

Enchanter program

Printed From: The Fishing Website
Category: Saltwater Fishing
Forum Name: The Briny Bar
Forum Description: The place for general chat on saltwater fishing!
URL: https://www.fishing.net.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=137036
Printed Date: 08 Feb 2023 at 1:32am


Topic: Enchanter program
Posted By: v8-coupe
Subject: Enchanter program
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2022 at 7:02pm
Hi.
For those interested.
Enchanter program Wednesday 28th at 20:40 (8:40pm).
Cheers


-------------
Legasea Legend Member



Replies:
Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2022 at 7:03pm
Originally posted by v8-coupe v8-coupe wrote:

Hi.
For those interested.
Enchanter program Wednesday 28th at 20:40 (8:40pm).
Cheers
Was suppose to be on TV3 on the 20th

-------------
Amateur's built the ark. Professional built the Titanic


Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2022 at 7:06pm
Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Originally posted by v8-coupe v8-coupe wrote:

Hi.
For those interested.
Enchanter program Wednesday 28th at 20:40 (8:40pm).
Cheers
Was suppose to be on TV3 on the 20th

Yup, sorry, forgot, TV3.
Cheers.


-------------
Legasea Legend Member


Posted By: Coutta
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2022 at 9:11am
Bit of an interesting article in the NZ Herald today.


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2022 at 9:33am
Originally posted by Coutta Coutta wrote:

Bit of an interesting article in the NZ Herald today.

Yes, that sounded pretty damning


-------------
Best gurnard fisherman in my street


Posted By: SaltyC
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2022 at 10:47am
Interesting article alright.

However, lotsa second guessing going on. The actual conditions (vs the forecast) didn't sound so bad. .

Nobody on the vessel seemed to be too concerned at the time. If you are regularly fishing the Kings, 30 knots and 2 to 5 metre swells are par for the course. The issue really seems to be the decision to round North Cape, not use the anchorages on the other side and then get too close to the cape on the way round giving the building seas a chance to break instead of sliiping under the boat. Two to five  nautical miles further off the cape on the way round  and we probably wouldn't have anything to talk about.

Be interesting to see the TV doco, but I am cautious about the sensationalisation of those who haven't walked in those shoes and even may have an axe to grind. Even a commercial guy whose job is to pull pots close to the islands doesn't have the same set of circumstances to make a decision about working that day vs the passage back.


Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2022 at 12:13pm
Over 20 years ago we'd been fishing, mostly livebaiting, off Tom Bowling Bay . A big storm kicked off the day we were returning to Houhora. Our charter skipper told us he was going to sail NNE and give the N Cape a very wide berth as he thought it was very dodgy to get withing a few miles of it.
Took us ages to get back but we got home safely. Even when we stopped off for a burger at Silverdale, we were hanging on to the wash basins in the loo as everything was still moving!


-------------
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken


Posted By: Titahi
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2022 at 1:27am
Originally posted by SaltyC SaltyC wrote:

Interesting article alright.

However, lotsa second guessing going on. The actual conditions (vs the forecast) didn't sound so bad. .

Nobody on the vessel seemed to be too concerned at the time. If you are regularly fishing the Kings, 30 knots and 2 to 5 metre swells are par for the course. The issue really seems to be the decision to round North Cape, not use the anchorages on the other side and then get too close to the cape on the way round giving the building seas a chance to break instead of sliiping under the boat. Two to five  nautical miles further off the cape on the way round  and we probably wouldn't have anything to talk about.

Be interesting to see the TV doco, but I am cautious about the sensationalisation of those who haven't walked in those shoes and even may have an axe to grind. Even a commercial guy whose job is to pull pots close to the islands doesn't have the same set of circumstances to make a decision about working that day vs the passage back.

I wouldnt characterise Nat Davey as a guy whose job is to pull pots....  and Steve Angus AKA Swordfish Steve is also has a fair bit of experience under his belt.  It  will be interesting to see the final report from Maritime New Zealand


-------------
"I love standing by the ocean and just knowing what its for"


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2022 at 6:18am
How often does "metservice" get wrong,often. Even predict wind/windyty had  yesterday  wrong.



-------------
Amateur's built the ark. Professional built the Titanic


Posted By: SaltyC
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2022 at 10:11am
Agree Titahi, the final Maritime NZ report will be very interesting, but, just for clarification, Nat Davey wasn't the skipper at the Kings who made the comment and Steve Angus wasn't even there but commenting on a previous trip that, as far as I know, didn't come to any harm.

I don't know Lance Goodhew and have never fished on Enchanter or any of his boats but I am just concerned that it is easy to portray someone or some event on TV with a degree of prejudice using people who state themselves that they had a beef with the person involved.


The Maritime report will, I am sure, deal with the events and conditions on the day, not random accusations of possible past misdeeds.


Posted By: corosanta
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2022 at 5:06pm
The reporters and media in general have made a pigs arse out of this. Why not wait until the facts are made public....

Just saying.....


-------------
Sitndrinkntalknbullman


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2022 at 6:12pm
Yes, the facts are what we need to see. what people say and what people do aren't necessarily the same things


-------------
Best gurnard fisherman in my street


Posted By: Bounty Hunter
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2022 at 8:00pm
and how will the facts be established? 

i personally wouldnt be accepting of a MSA report at face value...


-------------
Death - Our community's #1 killer


Posted By: The Tamure Kid
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2022 at 9:07pm
You might have more faith in the coronial inquiry/inquest, where people are under oath in essentially a court and all the evidence and survivor accounts are presented?

That will surely be where this tragedy will be fully investigated, and it will only involve evidence from those who were involved/eye witnesses, and experts on the vessel design, potential cause of waves, etc etc - all on the witness stand being asked questions by the coroner. 

That will presumably include the skipper, crew, surviving clients, other skippers on the water at the time, forecasters - whoever.
People speculating or with other agendas won't be part of that process.

The coroner will then comment on what led to the loss of life, and make recommendations on changes for the future.

from the article in the paper, it sounded like there's a time limit on the marine authorities' investigation, then I presume the coroner will step in.

The case of the pilot boat that hit the swimmer off Narrowneck followed a similar path, ending up with a Coroner's findings. As have other marine tragedies.




Posted By: Kevin.S
Date Posted: 27 Sep 2022 at 11:58pm
It seems a little odd that they are even doing the program now.  With the investigation ongoing and the possibility of prosecutions no-one of any importance will be saying anything to the media.  That just leaves gossip and speculation from others.


Posted By: Bounty Hunter
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2022 at 9:39pm
initial thoughts from the program - without passing judgement 

were they running across a shoaling area in a N/E wind which might cause waves to pile up?

the massive glass area on the boat and the light timber mullions for a offshore rated vessel

the risk presented by the huge enclosed cockpit 




-------------
Death - Our community's #1 killer


Posted By: shaneg
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2022 at 10:15pm
We’re they anchored or fishing off there? When said wave came through?


Posted By: White snake
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2022 at 10:50pm
They were heading in to a sheltered Anchorage for the night inside north cape.according to the deckie on the doco they were 15 to 20 mins from dropping the pick.Bloody sad for all involved


Posted By: shaneg
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2022 at 11:03pm
Thanks for clarifying that, wasn't sure and did watch the program, clearly not carefully enough.


Posted By: White snake
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2022 at 11:31pm
No problem shane.was alot to take in


Posted By: shaneg
Date Posted: 28 Sep 2022 at 11:58pm

Will stick to day boating on my own boat, catch odd marlin and can come home at end of day or early if even looks like cutting up rough.
Was invited on that boat Enchanter a few times with guys who were regulars going to Kings, but I’m not that hard. Got sick once with Rick Pollock on Pursuit, and also as a deckie for Steve Angus  (Riviera tournament) … like 20 times throwing up in a day, admittedly did drink a bit day before. That big boat stuff longer charters is for big boys who have strong stomachs and really are dedicated and want to catch fish.  
I guess I am a very soft guy, who can still catch a few fish in calmer conditions in a trailer boat.  Very sad those guys didn’t come home from a long range fishing trip of a lifetime they had courage to go on.
As an ex professional part time snapper charter skipper myself taking lovely people and fellow anglers out fishing is a privilege … losing people’s lives, that would gut you. Hope Lance is getting some help dealing with that.


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2022 at 7:25am
Originally posted by shaneg shaneg wrote:


Will stick to day boating on my own boat, catch odd marlin and can come home at end of day or early if even looks like cutting up rough.
Was invited on that boat Enchanter a few times with guys who were regulars going to Kings, but I’m not that hard. Got sick once with Rick Pollock on Pursuit, and also as a deckie for Steve Angus  (Riviera tournament) … like 20 times throwing up in a day, admittedly did drink a bit day before. That big boat stuff longer charters is for big boys who have strong stomachs and really are dedicated and want to catch fish.  
I guess I am a very soft guy, who can still catch a few fish in calmer conditions in a trailer boat.  Very sad those guys didn’t come home from a long range fishing trip of a lifetime they had courage to go on.
As an ex professional part time snapper charter skipper myself taking lovely people and fellow anglers out fishing is a privilege … losing people’s lives, that would gut you. Hope Lance is getting some help dealing with that.

Personally, I don't really enjoy charter trips. The clever part of boat fishing is finding the fish at the right time, setting up the drift etc. Any monkey can drop a line down. 

By the way, TV show here for those that missed it:
https://www.threenow.co.nz/shows/newshub-investigates%253A-enchanter-tragedy/newshub-investigates%253A-enchanter-tragedy-/S4059-383/M62366-768" rel="nofollow - https://www.threenow.co.nz/shows/newshub-investigates%253A-enchanter-tragedy/newshub-investigates%253A-enchanter-tragedy-/S4059-383/M62366-768


Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2022 at 5:17pm
Originally posted by Bounty Hunter Bounty Hunter wrote:

initial thoughts from the program - without passing judgement 

were they running across a shoaling area in a N/E wind which might cause waves to pile up?

the massive glass area on the boat and the light timber mullions for a offshore rated vessel

the risk presented by the huge enclosed cockpit 



Yes, I too questioned the strength of that predominantly glass super structure for an offshore vessel as soon as the incident was reported and pictures of the vessel posted.
Having said that, we were looking at doing a Ranfurly Charter as all reports/feedback said great boat and great skipper so one would assume the vessel "was" sturdy enough for those conditions given the amount of charters the boat/skipper had completed.
I guess 2° or two minutes either way and all may have been safe.
Who knows.
Sympathies to all involved and their wider families.


-------------
Legasea Legend Member


Posted By: Fishb8
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 7:59am
 I thought the investigation was very thin on details. I know we should be finding out in the future.
Hate that expression, Rogue Wave.


-------------
Be yourself; everyone else is already taken


Posted By: The Tamure Kid
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 5:42pm
Thanks for posting that link, MB. I don't have access to a TV at home at the moment. A harrowing watch.

I'd categorise the programme as a well done story of ordinary blokes suddenly in a battle for survival, and the emotional toll of the tragedy. From that perspective, now is as good a time to tell it as any, and I think it was comprehensive with the depth of the first-hand accounts. The reporter obviously earned the trust of those she interviewed, and they would have been suspicious as hell about her intentions when she first got in touch with them about taking part.

It probably was never intended as an "investigation". That would be almost impossible while an official one is underway and it would have been a very different type of current affairs piece - probably end up as mish mash with neither part done justice. The issue with the aviation fuel grounding choppers for hours (first I've heard of that in relation to this tragedy), the 'rogue wave', and other aspects of the trip and vessel will no doubt form part of those formal investigations and ultimately the Coroner's inquest, and that will be interesting.

The one thing that I noted was the disparity between the impression the charter crew had of the conditions both before the incident and particularly while they were on the wreckage and during the rescue ("10 knots"), and what the rescue chopper crew said.

The survivors talked about how the conditions had really settled down, seeing all the stars etc, whereas the chopper crew guy spoke about the tricky conditions for a rescue: "...very poor visibility, rain, wind, big swells, high sea state...". 

As others have said in the thread, that area and the charters are clearly not for the faint hearted. i would have been terrified on that earlier trip where the footage showed storm waves smashing against the cabin windows - reminiscent of the passenger vids of Cook Strait ferries in huge storms.

A tragedy for all involved, and clearly the survivors will carry their experience with them forever.




Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 6:11pm
<span style="color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">We sought shelter in Orokawa Bay in BOI for those couple of days, gave good shelter and flat water but it was blowing dogs off chains there,  I could not contemplate going out for a fishing trip it was not pretty.</span><p style="-sizing: border-; color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">Another thing,  I wonder if these guys where reporting "apparent wind" at the time of the incident, they were running under power with the breeze and the survivors reporting the breeze had dropped to around 10 knots which would make sense if you're travelling 15-20 knots in those conditions.

<p style="-sizing: border-; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">Turn that vessel into the breeze and its a completely different story as many of us know.

<p style="-sizing: border-; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">

<p style="-sizing: border-; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">

<p style="-sizing: border-; margin-top: 0px; color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">I know a few that have been with him and know someone that was on the next trip, plus reading the comments about him, if you got good weather it was a great trip but if the weather was crap you either went or forfeited your money 

<p style="-sizing: border-; color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">Not a great sense of responsibility towards safety.

<p style="-sizing: border-; color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">I passed him coming home from the Kings as he headed out on that trip, we were coming home because we knew the weather was about to pack up in a few days, all the other charter boats came back at least a day ahead of him or the commercial boats stayed out (cray boats)

<p style="-sizing: border-; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">He got it wrong and people that trusted him died. It was 50nm south that night and we had over 50 and over 200mm of rain from Saturday afternoon until early hours Monday 

<p style="-sizing: border-; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">‘Monday we headed further south in a good 3m swell some bigger

<p style="-sizing: border-; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">

<p style="-sizing: border-; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">That was from a different site by 2 who were there and do trust them than than the doco on the wind front.

<p style="-sizing: border-; margin-bottom: 0px; color: rgb53, 60, 65; font-family: Inter, -apple-system, MacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Roboto, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"; font-size: 14px;">



-------------
Amateur's built the ark. Professional built the Titanic


Posted By: whippersnappyr
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 6:44pm
I agree you don’t form conclusions from media representations of incidents but you also can’t take too much from paying customers who presumably aren’t experienced boaters.

I also noticed the supposed calm conditions (10kn) vs the difficulty of the rescue due to the conditions. If this gets resolved in favour of the rescue folks then the skipper should have dropped the pick in tom bowling bay.

People I know told me they had asked Lance about what happens if there is a cancellation due to bad weather and he said it would never happen.

Be interesting to see where the investigation lands.


Posted By: SaltyC
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 7:59pm
Interesting doco and comments.

The doco was better than I was expecting. Relied almost entirely on first hand accounts and resisted the urge to editorialize.

I also noticed the difference in the conditions as reported by the survivors and the copter crew. However I am inclined towards the survivors view for 3 reasons really. Firstly the pictures from the air pretty much show no major seas at all or wind on the surface until the down draft hits, secondly the survivors spent hours on the wreckage, an upside down hull with antfoul, slippery as hell and the flat surface of the remains of the flybridge, no freeboard at all, and at no time did they mention the seas sweeping over them or even hint they were in danger of being washed off and the pictures I have seen pretty much back them up. And thirdly, an experienced deckie is not going to putting a pot of boiling water on the stove top to chuck cauliflower into if the vessel is pitching and rolling in a big seaway. 

I have always been pretty skeptical about "rogue waves" as well, but, according to experts they do exist. They are usually larger than the surrounding waves by a large scale and come from up to 90 degrees to the prevailing wave conditions, why vessels running before a sea sometimes get blindsided on the beam. The most compelling account came from the yachts hit in the Sydney to Hobart a few years back. They were in storm conditions with very high winds causing shrieking noise from the rigging and masts, they couldn't hear themselves yelling over the noise, but they still reported they heard rather than saw, the rogue wave before it hit them and not from the same direction as the prevailing seas. 

I would also discount the third party stuff about previous trips and weather unless you can point me to one where they either came to grief or actually came close to it. If you can't then what exactly is it you are saying was done wrong? 

A charter skipper going to the Kings isn't going to do many trips if he lets inexperienced crew decide on the weather conditions he can go in.  As I said in an earlier post, I have never fished with Lance or on any of his vessels, but I have been onboard a vessel leaving the Kings to fish the magnet (King Bank) when the very experienced skipper gave the crew the choice (it was quite rough that day) either carry on or go back to shelter and fish for kingis etc, but the only charter I've had cancelled was for mechanical breakdown prior to leaving.

The only other comment I'd make is I am a little perplexed that no Coastguard resource appears to have been activated at all. Now that may just be because they didn't have time to show that in the doco but no one else has reported a coastguard vessel joining the response or search. Bit of a worry with units at Houhora, Doubtless Bay and Whangaroa. May be covered in the final report and maybe that the Rescue Co-odrination Centre didn't activate them. But I am pretty sure that Annette at Far North Radio would have done a number of "all stations" calls for any vessels in the vicinity which should have been picked up by Coastguard Coms.

My 2 cents worth while we await the "official" version of events anyway.



Posted By: The Tamure Kid
Date Posted: 01 Oct 2022 at 8:29pm
Good well considered input, SaltyC. 

I think a lot of the cynicism around 'rogue waves' is because they are often cited in media reports quoting rescued boaties as a reason their boat overturned or sank in the Manukau or Waitemata, where the more likely cause of the incident is going out in sea conditions not suitable for their small craft (combined with overloading) and the boat being in poor condition etc.

In the first thread about the Enchanter tragedy the topic came up, and the existence of true rogue waves was talked about, and some useful info given - from memory, about freak waves registered out at outer buoys off the NZ coast out of all proportion to the other ones coming through. All i know is that in the open sea, and when rock fishing on open coastlines, the odd much bigger sometimes rolls through. The 'never turn your back on the sea' adage came about for a reason.

Clearly in the Enchanter's case, something out of proportion to the rest of the trip happened - exactly what and why, and then what happened afterwards in terms of the rescue process, are the answers the survivors and the families of those who died need. Let's hope they get them.




Posted By: Phantom Menace
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2022 at 11:35am
SaltyC - it is my understanding (from talking to one of the guys who was in the radio ops centre at the time) that a CG unit as activated and were going to head up but made the call not to do it in the dark. I imagine there was a lot of consideration given to going in the dark but the decision made not to as the crew needed to be able to function.

They went at first light the next day when they could see the waves coming and it was still a hell of a trip.  I believe the same crew went back the next day too.


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2022 at 4:49pm
Agree with the comments above. I was expecting the worst - a "dramatisation" of events, there was a tiny bit of that, but it was mostly just the people involved telling their story without any judgement or opinion. Good, but heartbreaking journalism. 


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 02 Oct 2022 at 8:34pm
Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

We sought shelter in Orokawa Bay in BOI for those couple of days, gave good shelter and flat water but it was blowing dogs off chains there,  I could not contemplate going out for a fishing trip it was not pretty.Another thing,  I wonder if these guys where reporting "apparent wind" at the time of the incident, they were running under power with the breeze and the survivors reporting the breeze had dropped to around 10 knots which would make sense if you're travelling 15-20 knots in those conditions.

Turn that vessel into the breeze and its a completely different story as many of us know.

I know a few that have been with him and know someone that was on the next trip, plus reading the comments about him, if you got good weather it was a great trip but if the weather was crap you either went or forfeited your money 

Not a great sense of responsibility towards safety.

I passed him coming home from the Kings as he headed out on that trip, we were coming home because we knew the weather was about to pack up in a few days, all the other charter boats came back at least a day ahead of him or the commercial boats stayed out (cray boats)

He got it wrong and people that trusted him died. It was 50nm south that night and we had over 50 and over 200mm of rain from Saturday afternoon until early hours Monday 

Monday we headed further south in a good 3m swell some bigger

That was from a different site by 2 who were there and do trust them than than the doco on the wind front.


Hopefully thats a little easier to read.


-------------
Best gurnard fisherman in my street


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 3:27am
thanks Smudge

-------------
Amateur's built the ark. Professional built the Titanic


Posted By: shaneg
Date Posted: 03 Oct 2022 at 8:14pm
Read your post Pcj. Some salient points, especially around don’t refund always go out and not coming in.
Guess that will get sorted as part of the formal maritime safety review.
There’s a thing called a mirror which we all look into occasionally. The skipper who loses people is going to have to look in that mirror sometimes (either way review goes) and have to reflect on what happened and why. 
Whatever outcome of the formal review, the event that occurred is definitely tragic. Remember when BillyH lost someone and he was acquitted. Don’t hear much about it or him now.


Posted By: Otto
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2022 at 9:19am
Rogue wave, Freak wave. always wondered but off shore sailing one night not much visibility just big shadows coming at us, which required a bit of helm work but generally just big waves.  Then heard a noise looked over my shoulder and white water was at the top of the shadow.  This had a face approx 10mtrs high but luckily not steep.  Lot of water and a reason why we were all strapped in.  Checked the crew where still in front of me and asked for directions as they were closer to the compass.



Print Page | Close Window