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Topic: Garden chat
Posted By: smudge
Subject: Garden chat
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 5:13pm
When I'm not doing battle with mega gurnard I like to spend time in my vegie garden. I live on a small lifestyle block within shouting distance from Kevin.S & CrayZfish. they often hear me shouting, especially when someone is wrong on the internet.

I have 1 ram, one wether (that's an ex ram and ready for the freezer), 5 ewes, 5 lambs, 2 geese 8 turkeys, 7 hens, two roosters and four cats. There's wife and a kid hanging round as well plus 3 other kids that belong to us, living somewhere else.

I like a good garden chat. I've downsized my garden over the last 4 years and now only have about 60 sq metres or so but I have twice that in fruit trees. 3 x plum, 1 apple, 2 x mandarin, 2 x lemon (why Smudge?), 4 x feijoa, 3 x peach, 2 x passionfruit and 4 x grape vines.

I planted the first stuff in my vegie garden today, runner beans and silverbeet seeds.

What you got?



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Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 5:48pm
indoor hydroponic system that produces quality goods


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by spin king spin king wrote:

indoor hydroponic system that produces quality goods

I prefer vegies, not vegetable matter Big smile


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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 6:00pm


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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 6:01pm


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Posted By: Mr Moritz
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 6:23pm
My veggie patch couple years ago. Haven't started this year lock down.

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Posted By: Schampy
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 6:33pm
Thats a rather nice veggie patch indeed mr Moritz.
well done.


Posted By: reel crayze
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 8:42pm
Good thread . 
I read with envy gardening threads where you are growing avos, watermelons and subtropical fruit... 

We are flat land Canterbury 40 ?km from the coast and can have frosts in December . 
We have 80sqm where we grow our bulk veges, potatoes, corn , onions, tomatoes, pumpkin and brocolli. We also have 10 small raised boxes 2mx1.5m, where we grow asparagus, strawberries, red onions, leeks, garlic, mesclun, carrots, more tomatoes, peas, courgette, cucumbers, beetroots and early potatoes. The early potatoes are swifts. I buy a 1kg bag and plant 6 potatoes on the 1st of august under a double layer of frost cloth. On the 1st sept i plant the balance also under a double layer of frost cloth. We will eat our first potatoes 1st Nov. 1kg of Jersey bennies go in 1st oct for Christmas day potatoes. Also grow 1kg of Agrias ,last year it was 3kg of agrias [to many] which go in 1 Oct and we will eat right thru the winter, still eating them and giving them away. We also have 3 apricot trees [moorpark variety] which we have have not had apricots off for 2 yrs now due to late frosts and wind grrrr but when they are there they are great. 2 peach trees, 3 pear trees which are useless and should be cut out, 3 cherry trees which are marginal but i love cherries, 6 apple trees [espaliered] 2 granny smiths, a cox orange lovely apple a braeburn also good, a royal gala ok and a pink lady marginal at best, 12 grape vines [2 black varieties best is buffalo and a green one] which i try and eat but the  waxeyes finish them off when i lift the nets, and 30m of raspberry canes which get eaten, frozen given away and jammed. Also have a few lambs which we buy in for fattening and resell as hoggets in Nov. 


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 9:04pm
Wow, you're doing really well Reel Crayze, I guess it's about making the most of what you have got.

Nice garden Mr Moritz, mine's not flash but it produces the goods


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Posted By: Schecter
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 9:37pm
Very nice garden Mr Moritz.  

I've started sowing some pumpkin, kamokamo and maori potatoes.  My potato crops haven't done well in the past, but hopefully this year will be positive. 

We usually grow kale, silverbeet, spinach, beetroot, corn and rocket.  As well as strawberries and blueberries.  All I need now is a cubic metre of compost at my local landscape supplies to top up my garden beds.  

The dry 2020 really concerned me, so I built a rain barrel and irrigation system to keep my crops hydrated.  

I grew up on a very large family orchard.  We grew kiwifruit, avocados, watermelon, nashi pears and kumara.  Only the kiwifruit and avocados orchards remain.  I guess my garden-fix started early, but I hated working on the orchard when I was young LOL.   


Posted By: Big -Dave
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 10:31pm
I'm going to have to admit, I have grass and hedges. The only thing I have to mow around, is the septic tank vent.
This may change one day, but not likely in the near future..
My fingers are oil and glue stained, not green...
I buy my veg in 1kg bags..

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Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 05 Sep 2021 at 10:51pm
Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Originally posted by spin king spin king wrote:

indoor hydroponic system that produces quality goods


I prefer vegies, not vegetable matter Big smile

haha I thought you'd have a laugh at that.
we have 4 chicken's a Grey hound a cat 2 small boys and a small vege patch, I'd love some more space and time for a proper garden one day


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 4:08am
Gave the gardening thing a go.But everything arrives at once,meanwhile neighbours have gardens so dont what any. 
Going back to grow Chillies/Capsicums this yr.


Posted By: lingee
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 4:41am
I have about 60 potatoes in and about to plant dwarf beans ,runner beans will start regrowing soon.my list yearly is as above plus onions they were planted in april, tomato, zucckini corn cucumber garlic capsicum butternut ginger lettece chilli. and my asparagus that is now 5 years old picking each day.  dwarf beans and corn i plant 3 times in a season.


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 5:54am
Originally posted by lingee lingee wrote:

I have about 60 potatoes in and about to plant dwarf beans ,runner beans will start regrowing soon.my list yearly is as above plus onions they were planted in april, tomato, zucckini corn cucumber garlic capsicum butternut ginger lettece chilli. and my asparagus that is now 5 years old picking each day.  dwarf beans and corn i plant 3 times in a season.
CORN?? whats the secret.planted some last year but didnt develope,no ears only a plants,The corn never developed,like it was rotten but small.Planted in sunny area and plenty of water.12 planted but spread apart.


Posted By: lingee
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 6:15am
when growing corn plant late oct nov ,plant in blocks not rows so milf can blow on cobs, they like to be well fertilzed .plant apart around 250.300,remember the key is planting in blocks. water well but not soggy as corn can take a bit of dry weather. when cobs apair that is time to water twice a week. hope that helps.


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 6:45am
Originally posted by lingee lingee wrote:

when growing corn plant late oct nov ,plant in blocks not rows so milf can blow on cobs, they like to be well fertilzed .plant apart around 250.300,remember the key is planting in blocks. water well but not soggy as corn can take a bit of dry weather. when cobs apair that is time to water twice a week. hope that helps.
when you 250/300 is this the distance between plants and make blocks?? yes we did it in a single row.Thanks will give that try,just need stores to open to get seeds/plants now.   Water.we were watering daily,so knock back on water. Might be able to get 40 in.  


Posted By: lingee
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 6:51am
yes thats the distance between plants,lets say if u plant 6x6x6x6 plus inbetween making a box. if u need seed let me no i can post u sum.im in taupaki by kumeu. are u close by .


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 6:55am
Originally posted by lingee lingee wrote:

yes thats the distance between plants,lets say if u plant 6x6x6x6 plus inbetween making a box. if u need seed let me no i can post u sum.im in taupaki by kumeu. are u close by .
south AK,thanks for the offer,Can get them after lockdown easy enough,Today could be a day to go and make preperations,weeds etcstill about cool out here and sun not quite at the right angle to hit yard.October should be looking good,frost gone. 


Posted By: lingee
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 7:02am
hope all goes well ,up date me as season goes on,if u need any other help im happy to help.cheers. yep its 4 degree here as we talk


Posted By: reel crayze
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 7:43am
Originally posted by lingee lingee wrote:

and my asparagus that is now 5 years old picking each day. 


Cry   , i couldnt find a jealous emoji lol our asparagus popped its head out only to get a couple of nights at minus 4 and so it all withered and disappeared .
 




Posted By: reel crayze
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 7:49am
Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Originally posted by lingee lingee wrote:

I have about 60 potatoes in and about to plant dwarf beans ,runner beans will start regrowing soon.my list yearly is as above plus onions they were planted in april, tomato, zucckini corn cucumber garlic capsicum butternut ginger lettece chilli. and my asparagus that is now 5 years old picking each day.  dwarf beans and corn i plant 3 times in a season.
CORN?? whats the secret.planted some last year but didnt develope,no ears only a plants,The corn never developed,like it was rotten but small.Planted in sunny area and plenty of water.12 planted but spread apart.

yip plant corn blocks as Lingee says but i would also add nitrogen fertilizer when it is up out of the ground [not at planting], if your soil is lacking fertility in general any NPK fert will do,  small doses but regularly and water in . 


Posted By: RockCrashing
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 8:06am
Don't have green fingers and don't have much land either, but for the past three years have tried to grow some vegetables.
Here is my list for this year:
Basil
Beetroot
Borage
Broccoli
Capsicum
Carrot
Cauliflower
Chive
Red Cabbage
Kale
Leek
Lettuce - Crisphead 
Mint
Red Onion
Radish
Sage
Spinach
Spring Onion
Cherry Tomato
Thyme
Tomato
Watercress

So this is my LITTE GARDEN effort for this year LOL


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 8:53am
Great affords lads. Vege gardening is a skill with accumulated knowledge with observations of your local environment and a art for some Mr Moritz! Lovely. There is a rare pleasure of harvesting your own healthy crops. Fresh potatoes and crisp lettuce etc you just don’t get when shop bought. smudge love the Turkeys what are the pros and cons of keeping them ?

After many years of living in the Pacific and traveling finally got roots in NZ and have some space to spread my vege garden wings. Im sourcing all sorts of interesting seeds online, this years fun crops are going to be black tomato’s ( like the 8 pool ball). And bright blue peas. Heirlooms are great. 
In the orchard I’ve planted a peachcot which is a cross between apricot and peach. Avos are knocked back a bit buy the neighbour s cows that apparently don’t jump electric tape fences…till they do….

I’ve had veg gardens that provided 90% of my food before. Not hard work but lots of planning with succession planting every 2-4 weeks and self seeding etc. what gets n my tits when you have people going to food banks and claiming neglect by the community when some have state houses with amazing fertile large sections the gov gets mown for them. You could keep 4 families in veges and fruit from just one of the gorgeous sections.

Got a mate in a state house and anything I plant just grows to unseen by me abundance. He’s in Hamilton and gets one or two bunches of bananas each year which a small but tasty like ladies fingers var. his Citris which I prune for him can hardly hold their crops. Soil is amazing. His whole street is wood fence and lawn. Crazy   


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Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 9:10am
Since moving to an acre in northern Taranaki 4 years ago, we have gradually become self sufficient with veg with fruit slowly getting better.

2 raised veg beds plus 2x2m veg pods plus 20 buckets plus an extra few hundred square metres for whatever. Also a mixed flock of 20 odd chickens. Had a few Jacobs sheep but suffered serious fly strike when I was really crook, so sheep now only kept in freezer.

Usually have a mix of seasonal greens including beetroot, carrots, broccoli, potatoes, lettuce all in buckets and peas and beans over 10 metres along a fence. Also grow crops of potatoes over about 20 square metres.

Struggle for some reason with most brassica so have now moved to sprouting broccoli in purple and green in buckets which seems to work better. Being a household of only 2, we pick most veg per meal. Celery, chives, spring onions, spinach/silverbeet, parsley, lemongrass, coriander, rosemary are almost perpetual and many now self-seeding. Potatoes are Purple Heart, Van Rosa and Swift.

I make relishes, pickles or chutneys with excesses (beans, beetroot, and green tomatoes) and I have successfully dried kilos of apples.

Fruit are guava, avos, passion fruit (make “ice cubes” of pulp), lemons, limes, oranges, plums, peaches, apples, figs, one feijoa, tamarillos, a mandarin, cape gooseberry, blackberry & strawberries to varying degrees of success. Besides one lemon and an ailing feijoa, I have planted the rest myself. We also have 2 olives which bore a small crop for the first time this year. I planted 2-year old asparagus crowns when I got here, so we enjoy these for a few weeks each year.

Unproductive fruit trees are currently finger lime, Yuzu and a newly planted persimmon. Mulberry, which I struggled to find, was unsuccessful.

Frost remains the bane of my gardening life. In my first year, I had a frost in December and the following summer, I had a frost in January. So a great windless fishing day can turn into a painful gardening night. As you can imagine, my tamarillos and young avo trees especially take a hammering. I was fortunate with my tomatoes and potatoes in both cases.

We are 2 km from the sea and 30 km from the mountain, so have a relatively mild micro-climate for the Naki. I have now planted babaco & banana against a north-facing wall, as others around me have managed to crop from both successfully in my area.


Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 9:18am
Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

what gets n my tits when you have people going to food banks and claiming neglect by the community when some have state houses with amazing fertile large sections the gov gets mown for them. You could keep 4 families in veges and fruit from just one of the gorgeous sections.

 


There was a programme in Africa in the ‘70s that educated people on growing enough produce to feed a family of 4 in an area the size of a house door (2m x 1m)


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 9:31am
Originally posted by Big -Dave Big -Dave wrote:


My fingers are oil and glue stained, not green...
I buy my veg in 1kg bags..

Cheapest option and saves HEAPS of time Big smile. It's rewarding growing a garden in other ways though


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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 9:40am
Originally posted by RockCrashing RockCrashing wrote:

Don't have green fingers and don't have much land either, but for the past three years have tried to grow some vegetables.
Here is my list for this year:
Basil - keep it watered
Beetroot - why? I'm pretty sure it's the devils poos
Borage - I grew that from the NW Little Garden series and was the only really good success. Very big now with lots of flowers that bees love, I have no idea what else to do with it but a welcome addition to the compost
Broccoli - by the time the LG things come out it will probably get too hot and the plants will bolt - then there are the butterflies..
Capsicum - easy to grow
Carrot - dig the patch well, not too keen on transplanting carrots
Cauliflower - as per brocolli
Chive - easy
Red Cabbage - easy if you can keep the caterpillars at bay
Kale - good for cows
Leek - nice
Lettuce - Crisphead - keep watered
Mint - too easy!
Red Onion - I don't know how they go in summer
Radish - easiest vege to grow
Sage - nice
Spinach - easy and nice
Spring Onion -easy
Cherry Tomato - easy
Thyme - only tried growing once was easy
Tomato - buy a grafted one such as a beefsteak for a tasty option
Watercress - never tried it

So this is my LITTE GARDEN effort for this year LOL

Sounds like you're sorted then. I have better results growing from seed that I've kept or bought than those Little Garden things but they are sort of free and the germinate really well
 

Sounds like 


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Posted By: reel crayze
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 10:03am
Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

Great affords lads. 


 smudge love the Turkeys what are the pros and cons of keeping them ?

   

The pros is Christmas time, if however you are a  turkey the cons are Christmas time  Wink LOL


Posted By: lingee
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 10:07am
we live off the garden for on average 8 months.summer crops and our winter planting.butternuts are a great crop comming to the end of them now, but with saying that i give a lot away.fresh is best.


Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 10:09am

A hint for sowing lawn seed .........................


Before sowing soak seed for 24 hrs in the yeasty sediment found in the bottom of bottles of home brew.




        Then  :-




Your lawn will come up "Half cut" 


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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 10:16am
Originally posted by reel crayze reel crayze wrote:

Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

Great affords lads. 


 smudge love the Turkeys what are the pros and cons of keeping them ?

   

The pros is Christmas time, if however you are a  turkey the cons are Christmas time  Wink LOL

Turkeys are easy enough to keep, but they are messy as. They need lots of room which makes them hard to contain. They cost a lot in food. I have 8 at the moment, 2 of them gobblers and they chomp through a 20kg bag of pellets. I supplement that with bread and dog roll. The gobbler are amusing to watch and yeah, great at Xmas. Mine weigh around 7kg dressed. I kill them, pluck & gut them, hang overnight in the chiller then  soak them in a brine for 24hrs - they just fit inside a 20 litre bucket. If you don't have a chiller you can soak them in a plastic bag in a 70 litre chilly bin with ice.

I cook them using a recipe from Annabel Langbein more or less but I rub them with bacon fat instead of butter. They are really tasty and not dry at all.


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Posted By: Mr Moritz
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 10:48am
Thanks for the kind words about my garden. Cannot tell a lie wife helped a lot with it. It's great to be able to go out and select sweet corn for lunch or pick fresh strawberries for tea. The flavours from fresh picked veges are so much more intense and I am sure they do heaps for the immune system.. Had so many tomatoes that year it was a bit like the ASB advert.

We have about 25 acres, only run 4 steers to keep the grass down so we can manage dry summers. We share the farm with two rag doll cats, dog, ring neck parrot and a budgie who all think it is their farm and we are just here to act as their servants. Thumbs Up  


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Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 11:07am
Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

Great affords lads. 


 smudge love the Turkeys what are the pros and cons of keeping them ?

   

The pros is Christmas time, if however you are a  turkey the cons are Christmas time  Wink LOL
Reel craysee. What a crack up! 

Good info on Turkeys there smudge. My father in law buys a organic free range bird each year and it’s totally expensive but a luxury we enjoy. With all that feed cost I now know why they are the price they are.

I’m super impressed with the amount of vege growers n here but thinking about we all harvest and forage kaimoana so growing your own food sort of stays with that theme. Must be the cavemen in us haha.

I reckon if I could find 2 more large vege garden produces in my area and we planned our crops and share around we could be self sufficient. Very hard on your own I’m finding so hats off to any who are. 
Got lots of seedlings on the go. Next to be planted is 25 butternuts and 50 ish..(blackbird taxed yesterday so some less)I have broccolis including 6/red broccolis to go in next.

I reckon the garden centres will be motivated to move lots of large seedlings when restrictions allow them too.  This year I’m planting more companion flower plants like marigolds opium poppies borage and some lavender plants.


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Posted By: Schecter
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 11:11am
I met a guy who did time in prison. He learnt how to grow veges there. Oh boy…his vege garden was amazing! The largest cabbages and potatoes I’ve ever seen.

His entire backyard was a vege garden. He gave most of it away.


Posted By: lingee
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 2:24pm
well reel deal, theres money in opium poppies thats how the cia made money for wars,


Posted By: Tonto2
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 4:41pm
6 chooks, 2 goats, 1 dog, 1 cat, heaps of fruit trees which I have just sprayed with Conquer, and vege garden where I kill anything I plant.
Not a very good gardener Confused
My cabbages ended up about the size of an indoor bowling ball!


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Posted By: Mr Moritz
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 5:18pm
Originally posted by reel crayze reel crayze wrote:

Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Originally posted by lingee lingee wrote:

I have about 60 potatoes in and about to plant dwarf beans ,runner beans will start regrowing soon.my list yearly is as above plus onions they were planted in april, tomato, zucckini corn cucumber garlic capsicum butternut ginger lettece chilli. and my asparagus that is now 5 years old picking each day.  dwarf beans and corn i plant 3 times in a season.
CORN?? whats the secret.planted some last year but didnt develope,no ears only a plants,The corn never developed,like it was rotten but small.Planted in sunny area and plenty of water.12 planted but spread apart.

yip plant corn blocks as Lingee says but i would also add nitrogen fertilizer when it is up out of the ground [not at planting], if your soil is lacking fertility in general any NPK fert will do,  small doses but regularly and water in . 

Yep I use urea...


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Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 6:54pm
or add natural compost. 

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The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 7:11pm
Something very therapeutic about keeping a garden. 20 years ago I had about 5 times as much garden as I have now but it became too hard. If the geese didn't attack my sweet corn, the wind would take it out. Or the sheep would eat my pumpkins and watermelons. Plus I used to give away far more than we could eat, so now my household is only 3 people down from six, I have downsized. I'm trying to justify making it bigger but I know I wont be able to control the turkeys. I really want to grow kumara again just like in the old days. could grow enough to last all year and pumpkins, and - ohhh well - one day!

I also have about 50 swan plants and have just sown around 100 seeds.


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Posted By: Fish 4T
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 7:28pm
Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:




I wish I have neibor like that


Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 7:35pm
Originally posted by Fish 4T Fish 4T wrote:

I wish I have neibor like that


Would you change your handle to Turkey 4T?


Posted By: Fish 4T
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 8:19pm
Yeah, then... Smudge will look at me funny every time his turkey went missing.


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 8:22pm
anyone made a large pond? I had a excavator putting in a Boulder retaining wall and since he was there I said put in a pond. 6x8m and 2m deep in case I wanted a swim in summer. Prob is it fulls up and then drains away currently a mosquito breeding ground half full. Needs a liner and cheapest I can find is $1000 on trademe. Any suggestions ? Someone said buy a knackered second hand pool liner but I don’t want bright blue. It’s going to be landscaped with rocky waterfall powered by solar.

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The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb


Posted By: BananaBoat
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 8:36pm
Had my garden for 5yrs now, still learning... it has layers of mulch between everything, which makes it about 8-10hrs weeding per year...if that
Keep the leafy greens in one raised garden, lots of horse poos & compost in there
The other raised garden is heirloom veg varieties... everything just tastes better
Biggest lesson I learned - feed your soil, keeps disease & pests at bay... most times... except feckin passion vine hoppers & slugs/snails
I do not do plant rotation, again, feed your soil. My first year I got wiped out by blight, I grew the exact same plants in the same place after feeding my soil, no probs last 3yrs
When I grow my tomatoes, grow em 14inch long, dig a deep pit, add fish frame with head guts & all, handful crushed eggs shells, tbs potash, worm castings, gypsum, compost, bury the tom to its second leaves, I had no yellowing or leaf die off till mid harvest onwards
My entire garden is on an automated watering system with 2L per hour drippers.... tomatoes get 1L water every 3 days, green veg between 1/2 to 1.5 cups water.... everything did really well.

12 blueberry plants, ripped them up & potted them, easier to maintain & easily double / trebled the yield
A do nothing, return back heaps plant is blackberry & boysenberry, returning 3-5kg per plant, using this principal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL4zgAu7R4U for maximum yield.
Entire garden is under commercial grade bird netting.
The local park provided 3 wild blackberry plants to extend my berry harvest, will see how that pans out
Got the usual herbal patch, some citrus & fejoas, even got a bloody snail patch living around my lemongrass

Knocked up a modest sized greenhouse on top of my raised garden, finished it off over lockdown.... 15yr warranty on the outside panels & roof... will have some basics growing over winter & first time growing everything from seeds... all heirloom plants







Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 9:14pm
I haven't mastered blueberries, they get eaten by goats, ride own mowers Embarrassed or just plain die.

To me the biggest problem with a lot of garden stuff is the cost of doing it. I don't have raised gardens because of that. The downside is the time spent weeding, it's extreme but it gets me outside. I guess most of us hate being cooped up. I love fishing - obviously, love gardening and messing about on my lifestyle block. Also hunting - if you can call it that but I get probably 6 or so half shares in fallow deer each year for the freezer, I can't imagine a life without being a hunter/gatherer/provider


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Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 9:16pm
Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

anyone made a large pond? I had a excavator putting in a Boulder retaining wall and since he was there I said put in a pond. 6x8m and 2m deep in case I wanted a swim in summer. Prob is it fulls up and then drains away currently a mosquito breeding ground half full. Needs a liner and cheapest I can find is $1000 on trademe. Any suggestions ? Someone said buy a knackered second hand pool liner but I don’t want bright blue. It’s going to be landscaped with rocky waterfall powered by solar.
I’ve seen them line them with clay on tv, perhaps a bit of black poly first.


Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 9:20pm
Smudge “ obviously, love gardening and messing about on my lifestyle block. Also hunting - if you can call it that “

Unfortunately I have to hunt both possums and rabbits to save my garden.


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2021 at 9:35pm
Originally posted by Keith C Keith C wrote:

Smudge “ obviously, love gardening and messing about on my lifestyle block. Also hunting - if you can call it that “

Unfortunately I have to hunt both possums and rabbits to save my garden.

Me too, love shooting them. Young rabbits are tasty. Have yet to try possum but one day I will


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Posted By: BananaBoat
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 5:24am
Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

To me the biggest problem with a lot of garden stuff is the cost of doing it.
sounds like my version of fishing haha


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 5:48am
possum is as good as rabbit to eat in my opinion.
Smudge I used to have weeds in garden but as Kieth mentioned deep mulch reduces. Smudge in one of your beds try lasagna style. To start put down a layer of cardboard tape staples etc removed. If you have big sheets from bed, furniture bike shop etc I get a trailer load free every  6 months. Hose down to make wet and pliable and plant through cardboard or move layer of cardboard around plants. A couple of layers is ok but don’t leave any cracks. Put a 3 inch layer of green lawn clippings.  You are done - no weeds again just wait till harvest and go fishing. This locks in moisture and warmth. No chemical ferts need added, nature takes it from there. The soil comes to life. Cardboard breaks down after 2=3 months worms feed on decaying cardboard and lawn clippings. After harvest. I chop and drop what’s left. Leave roots in ground just cut at ground level they add to the living on site compost system you have started. Add a layer of compost about inch add cardboard layer plant add grass clipping and repeat each year. Never weed again soil explodes into a miracle plant anything media. Hardly water never add nitrogen or any other ferts as it kills natural macros and micros and makes your garden dependant on the chemical companies making those products. My last garden, each month I’d do a garden walk around bored as no weeds and plants going insane just wait till harvest or forage pickings for the table. Interestingly I got to 18 layers over time and if I put that on at one time it would have been higher than me but the soil stayed the same height as when I started.  Worms grow thick and drag the top layer and pull it down up to a foot deep feeding the plants, the old plant roots left decay and leave food and channels for the new plants roots to follow and encourage deep rooting so little watering required over hot spells. You get a feel when the garden is in a sweet spot my indicator crop was broad beans that grew over 2m heigh and cropped hard. It was a beautiful thing.

I have a new garden started which was work but over halfway there now. Garden edging adds slugs earwigs etc to garden as they are perfect hiding places. I do use edging on slopes but avoid. Wood chip paths over thick cardboard or wool carpet re used. Pest and diseases generally go for the sickest plants so a healthy organic garden reduces issues. Kieth interesting how you beat your disease issue pretty much same strategy, make your soil healthy and plants will be too. 


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Posted By: Mr Moritz
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 8:23am
When I first bought our place many years ago, decided to grow some sweet corn. Put the hoe on the back of tractor and tilled up about quarter of  an acre. Planted corn and it was coming away nicely. Had an electric fence around to keep cattle out. Bastards waited till corn was almost ready to pick, then picked on smallest steer and pushed him through the electric fence. Then it was all on. I got home from work to find nothing left. Ready to send the whole twelve off to the works then and there. I've never repeated that mistake...

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Posted By: letsgetem
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 9:20am
Ive lived on Whangaparaoa peninsula for 5 years. Previously we lived near Rotorua. The Rotorua soil was fantastic, light volcanic; easy to work and free draining. The soil at Whanga is f ...in awful typical of north Auckland I think - heavy clay, very hard to work and stays wet after rain. 

Being oldish, I wouldnt bend down to the ground, so made raised garden beds 75cm high - beds 2m across I can stand and reach over to the centres,

When a contractor was concreting a new parking area, I got him to dump the soil in the beds - left 25cm at the top; bought soil to fill right up. 

Even though the bought soil appeared friable, after a years consolidation it was too hard. So I added 50mm of sand on top and dug in to the top 15cm. This is now a joy to work - easy to dig and easy to remove weeds. 

I add lime every two years - and Blood & Bone fertiliser yearly or twice yearly if I double crop. This supplies Nitrogen and Phosporus slowly over about 6 months - but not Potassium. I couldnt find any organic fertilizer to supply enough potassium,  apply Potassium Sulphate for that.

As the area is small (20 squ Metres), I run it hard; double cropping mostly. Results are generally very good.

I dont grow many different things - Brocolli, Spinach (both perpetual kinds), corn, onions, potatoes, butter beans.

I am starting growing spuds. Tried first in autumn March to winter - they did poorly, the spuds not forming properly (dark translucent inside). I suspect too dry; due drought. I could not water due to water shortage regulations. 

As our temperatures are relatively high, Ive planted new crop early in July - they have emerged and growing well.

I tried buying some seed potatoes, but as they are ridiculously expensive, I am just using eating spuds from the supermarket. I hope to avoid fungal disease, as our rainfall is pretty low. 

Its fun - second though to fishing.   


Posted By: Schampy
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 9:27am
Some good quality polythene would probably be ok. It only comes in 4m wide rolls though I think, and joining it with insulation tape won't work.
Beautnol rubber is another option, can glue the seams together with Ados so would be a lot more water tight.
We use TPO for a lot of pool liners these days as well as a roofing membrane. Its thermo-welded together, bullet proof. Not cheap though.
Your biggest problem is gonna be filtration. Like as you said it will be a festering swamp in no time. 
My current clients have opted for a fresh water pool- No chems what so ever,  The water has to be pumped through huge sponges in a tank to filter it. Apparently planting a lot of water Lillys etc around the edges helps keeps water clean.



Posted By: Schampy
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 9:28am
Sorry the above was for Reel Deal


Posted By: Joker
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 10:52am
Here is a link to home made fish fertiliser from fish waste that is really good. A couple of Tablespoonful in a watering can is enough.



https://www.koanga.org.nz/?s=fish+fertiliser

Tip for the lactobacillus - sour dough starter has billions of bacteria in it.

You can make it yourself 
1 tsp yeast
1/4 cup whole meal flour
1/8 cup water
Feed for 3 days doubling the amount of flour each day. 
Use a couple of tablespoons in the fish fertiliser
Freeze 2 tbs batches for further use.




Posted By: Schecter
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 11:24am
Yes, potato seed is hard to buy online. I sent an SOS to mum and dad to post some seed.



I noticed the price of compost has increased at my local landscape supplier.


Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 12:07pm
Originally posted by Schecter Schecter wrote:

Yes, potato seed is hard to buy online. I sent an SOS to mum and dad to post some seed.



I noticed the price of compost has increased at my local landscape supplier.

I brought some Jersey Bennes online a couple of weeks back ( choose to grow only J/Bs & Cliffs Kidney ) from Nichols Garden Center in Dunedin ( well priced & next day delivery, rang to commend them on their service ) also noted the warehouse have stocks in if you are in L3 can order & collect ... more expensive than Nichols tho.


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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 12:19pm
Originally posted by letsgetem letsgetem wrote:

Ive lived on Whangaparaoa peninsula for 5 years. Previously we lived near Rotorua. The Rotorua soil was fantastic, light volcanic; easy to work and free draining. The soil at Whanga is f ...in awful typical of north Auckland I think - heavy clay, very hard to work and stays wet after rain. 

Being oldish, I wouldnt bend down to the ground, so made raised garden beds 75cm high - beds 2m across I can stand and reach over to the centres,

When a contractor was concreting a new parking area, I got him to dump the soil in the beds - left 25cm at the top; bought soil to fill right up. 

Even though the bought soil appeared friable, after a years consolidation it was too hard. So I added 50mm of sand on top and dug in to the top 15cm. This is now a joy to work - easy to dig and easy to remove weeds. 

I add lime every two years - and Blood & Bone fertiliser yearly or twice yearly if I double crop. This supplies Nitrogen and Phosporus slowly over about 6 months - but not Potassium. I couldnt find any organic fertilizer to supply enough potassium,  apply Potassium Sulphate for that.

As the area is small (20 squ Metres), I run it hard; double cropping mostly. Results are generally very good.

I dont grow many different things - Brocolli, Spinach (both perpetual kinds), corn, onions, potatoes, butter beans.

I am starting growing spuds. Tried first in autumn March to winter - they did poorly, the spuds not forming properly (dark translucent inside). I suspect too dry; due drought. I could not water due to water shortage regulations. 

As our temperatures are relatively high, Ive planted new crop early in July - they have emerged and growing well.

I tried buying some seed potatoes, but as they are ridiculously expensive, I am just using eating spuds from the supermarket. I hope to avoid fungal disease, as our rainfall is pretty low. 

Its fun - second though to fishing.   

Hey Rex for what it is worth there is a plant raising enterprise on the Old Albany Hwy that regularly discard their plant raising soil afyer using only once & is a small mountain of it that you can have a full trailer full loaded via a front end loader for only about $40.

It is ultra friable & has plenty of residual nutrient to suit home gardens for 3 yrs or more befor having to boost it.


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Posted By: MATTOO
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 4:56pm
Hi Guys,
In Auckland and having problems finding seedlings online for delivery.
Most seem over run or out of stock.
I've exhausted all the material I have for seed raising with some dodgy seeds for some plants.

Any suggestions appreciated.

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Posted By: Tonto2
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 5:37pm
Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

Something very therapeutic about keeping a garden. 20 years ago I had about 5 times as much garden as I have now but it became too hard. If the geese didn't attack my sweet corn, the wind would take it out. Or the sheep would eat my pumpkins and watermelons. Plus I used to give away far more than we could eat, so now my household is only 3 people down from six, I have downsized. I'm trying to justify making it bigger but I know I wont be able to control the turkeys. I really want to grow kumara again just like in the old days. could grow enough to last all year and pumpkins, and - ohhh well - one day!

I also have about 50 swan plants and have just sown around 100 seeds.


Well I'll be buggered I never knew you could grow swans from seed, thought they came from eggs, you really are a clever bugga Smudge LOL


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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 7:06pm
Originally posted by MATTOO MATTOO wrote:

Hi Guys,
In Auckland and having problems finding seedlings online for delivery.
Most seem over run or out of stock.
I've exhausted all the material I have for seed raising with some dodgy seeds for some plants.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Suggest you try Nichols Garden online service ( Dunedin ) ... good prices & quality products along with next day delivery.


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They get olive oil from olives, soya oil from soy beans & grape seed oil from grape seeds ... what then do they get baby oil from ??????


Posted By: brmbrm
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2021 at 7:07pm
Why ask me?  I just do the heavy digging/lifting.  Acting under orders


Posted By: lingee
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 12:07pm
hi matto, kings seeds northland has a great variety


Posted By: MATTOO
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 4:41pm
Thanks guys.
Will look into those options.

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Posted By: reel crayze
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2021 at 5:06pm
I have never tried Nichols seeds in Dunedin but have tried Kings and yip they get a thumbs up from me. Last year i bought a pkt of Yates beefsteak tomatoseed. There were 15 seeds in the packet !!!  This year when i got my Kings beef tomato packet i counted them , over 60 seeds in a pkt. 


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2021 at 6:20am
I’m in lvl 2 and went to mitre 10 when opened. Seedlings were huge! Chilli plants were 30 cm high! Bunnings had 6 pod seedling trays for $1.98 

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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2021 at 10:30am
Cut
A fortnight or more ago I planted my bean seeds namely 4 varieties each of dwarf & runners.

Since then have been in anticipation of seeing seedings emerge but to date nada !

Finally in desperation I dug up a couple of the seeds about 15 mins ago & was somewhat relieved to find the seeds have sprouted the beginnings of stalks about 25 mm long & are also developing a root structure but given the time they have been in the ground would have expected them to be more advanced.

Admittedly the weather of late here in Jaffaland has been wet, cold &  windy so maybe that is the reason but raises the question of should they be left alone or dug out & replaced as have read that if they are slow to develop then the plants are likely to lack vigor.

Have noticed beans can react rather strangely at times in various localities eg My runner beans one year planted in Auckland had been making satisfactory progress but were well away from picking or for that matter even flowering. Therefore during a visit to Greymouth was staggered to find folk down there were already picking theirs.

I would have thought the Greymouth climate would have made growing a lot of vegs down there marginal, let alone have them thrive!  

  


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Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2021 at 11:00am
temp has a lot to do with it…I had 50 corn seeds I planted yesterday eaten by blackbirds this morning grrr gardening huh 

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The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb


Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2021 at 12:01pm
Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

temp has a lot to do with it…I had 50 corn seeds I planted yesterday eaten by blackbirds this morning grrr gardening huh 

Yeah I had the same problem initially with the bloody blackbirds, thrushes & mynas digging up the seeds ... hanging tinsel etc. that worked short term but finally all that was achieved ultimately was to create a pseudo premature xmas decoration.

Could not buy any netting due to the lockdown so had to resort to scouring the property for bits & pieces which are serving the purpose in the time being but am apprehensive re having to lift them once the seedlings begin to emerge ... whenever that might be.



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They get olive oil from olives, soya oil from soy beans & grape seed oil from grape seeds ... what then do they get baby oil from ??????


Posted By: Keith C
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2021 at 12:40pm
I buy from Polynet down south & they deliver anywhere. Netting is an essential product.I use their microclima.

They have flexible fibre rods for making your own tunnels. Easy as. and I got that shipped too.


Posted By: reel crayze
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2021 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

temp has a lot to do with it…I had 50 corn seeds I planted yesterday eaten by blackbirds this morning grrr gardening huh 

I plant my corn seeds in seed trays and then plant out when they are about 75mm high. Planted the first of them in the trays about a week ago.


Posted By: MATTOO
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2021 at 4:32pm
Bazza, those guys in greymouth planted a year earlier.

To protect your seeds with no netting.
Use some bamboo sticks and lie them over the planting lines.
Or grab some dead tea tree branches over the zone.
They don't need light just warmth and moisture.
Most birds aren't removal experts on lumber.

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Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2021 at 4:56pm
reelcrayze the birds picked the seeds out of my seedling trays! I don’t have a glass house space but may make cold. Frames out of old wooden windows 

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Posted By: reel crayze
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2021 at 5:55pm
Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

reelcrayze the birds picked the seeds out of my seedling trays! I don’t have a glass house space but may make cold. Frames out of old wooden windows 

Wow , your birds are more aggressive than the ones down here. Mind you I have to take my seeding trays inside each night to beat the frost and yesterday they never came out of my shed as it snowed for a couple of hours Cry


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 7:35am
yeah I do think I have a couple hardcore blackbirds I think the slug gun may come into play. The corn had that pink poison on them as couldn’t source organic during lock down easily, I wonder what effect it has. I left a filled tray with no seeds out last night and it’s all pecked up this morning so I think poison didn’t effect….

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The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 7:54am
Right here is this years garden challenge !!!!

For all those who have a bit of space only requirement.

There is a ancient gardening method that comes from American Indians and South America. It’s genius as it’s companion planting on a small scale that provides its own support, cover, nitrogen fixing etc…

It’s called the THREE SISTERS planting. Very simple.

On its smallest scale. You create a small mound and plant one corn seed, one pumpkin seed and one climbing bean seed. This challenge allows just one planting or multiples of these if you have the space.

The corn grows fastest and becomes a stake for the climbing bean and shades the Pumpkin. Pumpkin does weed control via shade, keeps moisture in and creates mulch. They all require different nutrients and feed each other and share 3 layers of light. 

Ive heard about it for years and never tried. This year is the year. Feel free to join and we can compare pics as they grow and crop.

The challenge for gardeners has been laid down.👊👋



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The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb


Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 8:50am
Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

yeah I do think I have a couple hardcore blackbirds I think the slug gun may come into play. The corn had that pink poison on them as couldn’t source organic during lock down easily, I wonder what effect it has. I left a filled tray with no seeds out last night and it’s all pecked up this morning so I think poison didn’t effect….

May be wrong but pink coating on some seeds is not a poison as we know it but a preservative to prevent deterioration ... very much doubt
if any poisonous additives would be allowed or in the unlikely event they were then surely they would require clear warnings to the affect!


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Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 9:38am
thanks Gazza. Bugger it would have been a quick fix to my problem £

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The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 9:44am
Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

Right here is this years garden challenge !!!!

For all those who have a bit of space only requirement.

There is a ancient gardening method that comes from American Indians and South America. It’s genius as it’s companion planting on a small scale that provides its own support, cover, nitrogen fixing etc…

It’s called the THREE SISTERS planting. Very simple.

On its smallest scale. You create a small mound and plant one corn seed, one pumpkin seed and one climbing bean seed. This challenge allows just one planting or multiples of these if you have the space.

The corn grows fastest and becomes a stake for the climbing bean and shades the Pumpkin. Pumpkin does weed control via shade, keeps moisture in and creates mulch. They all require different nutrients and feed each other and share 3 layers of light. 

Ive heard about it for years and never tried. This year is the year. Feel free to join and we can compare pics as they grow and crop.

The challenge for gardeners has been laid down.👊👋


It sounds great but pumpkins use so much water. I have had a few goes at growing giant pumpkins and I'd easily give those things 10 litres or more a day. On tank water that's a real issue. On the other hand though not every sweetcorn and bean plant needs its own pumpkin Big smile. Interesting idea.


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Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 1:32pm
smudge try a smaller pumpkin plant like butternut maybe. The corn shades the pumpkin which may help too. ??

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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 2:26pm
Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

yeah I do think I have a couple hardcore blackbirds I think the slug gun may come into play. The corn had that pink poison on them as couldn’t source organic during lock down easily, I wonder what effect it has. I left a filled tray with no seeds out last night and it’s all pecked up this morning so I think poison didn’t effect….

Maybe resorting to lead poisoning via your slug gun might be worth trying.

Must say the birds have been an unprecedented problem this season even to pecking away at the mandarins still on the tree ... something that has never happened before. 


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Posted By: letsgetem
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 3:26pm
Talking of birds - sparrows love brocolli leaves. On small plants they completetely de-foliage them. Ive put a cage of bird netting over them. That lets the plants grow big; but when they can, the sparrows hang on the netting and peck leaves as far as possible.


Posted By: MATTOO
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 4:49pm
Been doing three sisters for a few years now.
Working on four and five as the older ones are looking tired.

It's a great system and allows all sorts of companion planting.

Smudgre, with giant pumpkins like other giants a large compost pile planting technique will help you out.

Took one of my 1.5 m beans into telethon one year and got 50 bucks for it on auction.
Even got a free ride into the city from a taxi driver who was inquisitive about two kids were doing walking the streets at 2 am with a giant projectile.
Was a fun night.

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Posted By: Schecter
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 5:46pm
I’ve got major issues with Guava moth borrowing into my citrus and feijoas. So much wasted fruit over the last 2-3 years.

But this year I decided to make use of my feijoas and stew them, (larvae included).

Tastes good and so far.


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 7:15pm
ha Schecter, if you can’t beat em, eat em.

Mattoo that’s encouraging I might do a few and see how it goes. Mulch, compost to bring life into your soil is everything. 

Ps I’ve done 2 sisters before …


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The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb


Posted By: waynorth
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2021 at 7:27pm
Originally posted by Schecter Schecter wrote:

I’ve got major issues with Guava moth borrowing into my citrus and feijoas. So much wasted fruit over the last 2-3 years.

But this year I decided to make use of my feijoas and stew them, (larvae included).

Tastes good and so far.

They are a major hassle up here - I've found the early fruit is the worst affected. Towards the end of feijoa season the ducks & pukeko have cleaned up the early windfall, & the remaining fruit is mostly grub free. Same seems to apply to the citrus. 

Ironically it's probably us home orchardists who are are allowing it to survive & spread. Commercial monoculture orchards can deal with it - by spraying at appropriate times of the year I guess. In our back yards it just hops from species to species as the seasons progress. Even has a go at macadamias ffs. 


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Posted By: bazza
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 11:14am
Hallelujha & praise be to the garden gods.

All of a sudden after a long wait the potatoes have broken thru & growing at a frantic pace.

Not only but also the beans have begun to sprout thru as well ... admittedly would hardly rival Jacks' bean stalk but gratifying nonetheless.

All that remains to do now is to prevent the birds from pecking out the shoots & seeds.

Was beginning to doubt the old adage " All good things come to they that wait " but have now been reconverted to believer status.  


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Posted By: lingee
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 1:11pm
all my spuds are up and have 2 zuccikin up,early for them we will see,beans a little slow but we are in a low area .


Posted By: lingee
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 3:17pm
i like the idear of 3 sisters but what about the mum,make it a 4 sim,haha,3 sister system is a great way,


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 4:09pm
haha
Gazza, I had that same feeling a couple weeks ago. I thought the spuds may have rotten with all this constant rain then I saw a few soil lumps …was that something emerging…. 2 days later boom up they started popping. Sadly Jersey beanies maybe 60% success….so have a few places for fast growing radishes and lettuces in the gaps.

I have just planted the 3 trays with corn Blackbirds cleaned out a few days ago and netting now over place. Another level of satisfaction…ups and downs and very healthy 


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Posted By: lingee
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 4:33pm
i plant the corn seed in the garden not in trays, as corn does not like being disturbed as seedlings, the garden corn will grow as fast as transplanted seedlings, birds can be a pain but a cover will stop that till they get up. remember corn likes a lot of nitrogen as well as potasham. i put crushed egg shells in my garden for calcium with is great for tomatos to stop bloom rot on the fruit.but put the shells in a month or so before planting as they take time to break down.


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 4:49pm
always keen to hear organic remedies thanks. I have heaps of crushed egg shells in worm farm so will put that around Tom’s . Yeah corn is quite a large bed. I plan to plant two trays approx 100 every 3 weeks till I can’t. Actually all vege are planted same so I have continual harvest. Just planted my second lot of red and green var. of Brussels. Plant radish every 2 weeks. Etc 

Yes some of the corn plants I trans plant had 3 leaves but foot long roots I had to kneed out. I’ll see how they go 


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The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb


Posted By: MATTOO
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 5:22pm
I'm a huge fan of prepping the soil including let it rest between the two seasons I plant.
I have a small 60 sum plot that is 700 deep of topsoil.
I always put in 1.5-2 cubes of compost , lime, blood and bone and six month slow release fertiliser and rotary hoe it all in.
It's alway been a great base formula and each season my soils look darker and smell great.
I also use liquid fertilers every week.
I use fish based and alternate with calcinet.
I don't use any bug sprays of any kind but companion plant.
But the best bug device I use is birds.
I encourage through feeding white eyes and many other birds and encourage wasps.
They are really good bug controllers.

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Posted By: BananaBoat
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 6:43pm
Who here does intensive planting

In a space of 1.2m square, I planted out 42 silverbeet & 28 lettuce of different varieties
Covered up with netting, keep the bloody blackbirds digging them up before the plants are well established
Next door are spinach in a space of 1.2x1.2m space = 72 spinach

The soil is very good, a mixture of home made compost, horsey poos & bokashi.. when dug up, lots of worms
Just green leaf veg grown here. When it heats up, its partially covered by shade cloth, certainly helps when the sun wants to cook the veges


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 8:34pm
wow that is intensive planting, I’ve been planting closer too to prevent evaporation and get more crop for the space, but nowhere near that close. Interesting.

Yes birds are awesome and to be encouraged in my garden too even blackbirds once the plants get passed seedling stage. Wasps are rubbish to native insects but great in the garden. Hardly get white butterfly now. Once had to use butterfly nets to protect brassicas amounts clouds of white butterflies 


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The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb


Posted By: wayno
Date Posted: 11 Sep 2021 at 11:47pm
My asparagus has started showing last week, got all excited about having a feed then work got in the way... Nek minnit... Bloody snails have got all the shoots!
Found a pack of snail bait in the back of the cupboard today and got that around the crowns. Hopefully no lasting damage done and I'll be peeing stinky stuff in a week or so 😁
Haven't had time to plant anything yet, hope to get onto that tomorrow. Have a bunch of self seeded potatoes come up where last year's crops were, will wait and see what they deliver.
Like the 3 sisters idea, have had no luck with either corn or butternut the last few years.

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Posted By: lingee
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 5:36am
plant corn and butternut if in cool areas around nov, plant corn in blocks and a good lot of fert, as for butternuts they are a long crop im picking around april=may. when you see fruit on a stem pick the tip off that runner. they only need a little fert or you only get growth. potash is good for them. remember only pick fruit when the stem is brown or leaves are dieing off.


Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 12 Sep 2021 at 6:53am
learnt something there thanks lingee. Will try nipping growth tip after first fruit shows. 

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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2021 at 3:41pm
OK. How's the garden thing going? So far, I have runner & dwarf beans sprouting, silverbeet - I grow heaps of them as supplementary food for my chickens.  I've got lettuce and a couple of radishes, rhubarb, peas & carrots but that's about it apart from mint & parsley. I have heaps of other stuff waiting to sprout. Heirloom tomatoes, cucumber, Raddichio, sprouting broccoli, spring onions, pumpkin, capsicum & courgettes.

I have 3 IBC containers set up, 2 for my garden and one for my fruit trees. Ohhh yeah I have around 100 swan plants also. OK I'm a butterfly geek .Fruit trees? A red guava, a yellow guava, a pink guava - no fruit yet, a meyer lemon, 2 x mandarin, a grapefruit, an orange, a Louisa plum, a black Doris plum, a Christmas plum and a white fleshed peach x 3. Ohhh and about 5 grape vines.

What am i missing?


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