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Topic: Customary Fishing Rights
Posted By: Catchelot
Subject: Customary Fishing Rights
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2021 at 3:37pm
https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/nicole-mckee-divisive-legislation-only-maori-can-go-fishing-under-level-4-health-legislation/?fbclid=IwAR3w1V7IBsTG6g8YrkuKY3QYA5Y2aUCnX44kuNSSreBoHol74rKSyHnTnx4" rel="nofollow - https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/heather-du-plessis-allan-drive/audio/nicole-mckee-divisive-legislation-only-maori-can-go-fishing-under-level-4-health-legislation/?fbclid=IwAR3w1V7IBsTG6g8YrkuKY3QYA5Y2aUCnX44kuNSSreBoHol74rKSyHnTnx4




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"The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau



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Posted By: Big -Dave
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2021 at 3:50pm
Are you setting a trap for smudge?

In my mind it is a racist policy, it gives one group of people rights based on their ethnicity.

In reality, if people lived in such places where they depended on fishing and hunting for daily sustenance, nobody would care if they continued.

My issue is with the media constantly throwing such articles up to keep us at each other's throats, while they keep the important stuff quiet.

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Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2021 at 3:59pm
I'm not biting Big smile

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Best gurnard fisherman in my street


Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2021 at 5:15pm
Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

I'm not biting Big smile

Nothing to bite at.
New Zealand has been on a path to separation for a few decades now.
Just recently though, the pace has quickened, aided and abetted by some dodgy reinterpretations and the UN.
As an aside, those that point this out are labeled racist and those implementing it are considered heroes.
Ironic aye?


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Posted By: MATTOO
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2021 at 5:47pm
V8, I support your martyrdom.

Hypocrisy is rampant.

The rampant influx of weak kneed morons should be ddt'd out of here.

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Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2021 at 6:30pm
Originally posted by v8-coupe v8-coupe wrote:

Originally posted by smudge smudge wrote:

I'm not biting Big smile


Nothing to bite at.
New Zealand has been on a path to separation for a few decades now.
Just recently though, the pace has quickened, aided and abetted by some dodgy reinterpretations and the UN.
As an aside, those that point this out are labeled racist and those implementing it are considered heroes.
Ironic aye?




I think they missed the principle of “diversity” when they made that decision on food gathering.


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 28 Aug 2021 at 10:39pm
All sorted now.

https://covid19.govt.nz/activities/sports-and-recreation/?fbclid=IwAR2oqsK9MhQx7vaIdYu99gnX0egrCNT5AjV_0HSQoiHgf7nkdMkWvyELJbM#sports-and-recreation-at-alert-level-4" rel="nofollow - https://covid19.govt.nz/activities/sports-and-recreation/?fbclid=IwAR2oqsK9MhQx7vaIdYu99gnX0egrCNT5AjV_0HSQoiHgf7nkdMkWvyELJbM#sports-and-recreation-at-alert-level-4


Posted By: spin king
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 8:21am
what we allowed to fish now?


Posted By: CrayZfish
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 8:22am
Looks that way

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Why choose either diving or fishing when you can do both. Besides crayfish tail is very good bait!!


Posted By: letsgetem
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 8:50am
The Covid website says -

Stick to simple outdoor exercise, and avoid activities where you can get injured or lost. For example, do not go swimming, surfing, boating, hunting or tramping.  

So, assume can fish off the coast (in places where wont get injured, such as a beach or wharf), but not on a boat.


Posted By: Schampy
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 8:55am
Good SH-T!!!
Thats gonna piss off a lot of perl clutching Karens who feel there salons should now be opened up.
Great news.


Posted By: CrayZfish
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 9:12am
It says this further down page

"You can fish from a wharf or the shore, but do not cast off the rocks or fish from a boat. Boating is not allowed. Keep it local — go to your nearest fishing spot, not your favourite fishing spot.

Whitebaiting
At Alert Level 4, you can fish for whitebait during the whitebaiting season. Fish locally, stay 2 metres from other river users and do not use motorised vehicles to get to your fishing spot."

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Why choose either diving or fishing when you can do both. Besides crayfish tail is very good bait!!


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 9:25am
Us grumpy old men have a little less to be grumpy about. Now, where's my surfcaster? LOL


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 9:33am
I would be reaching for the piper floats and squid jigs.



Posted By: kitno
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 9:56am
Plenty of quad bikes headed out this morning in Papamoa


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Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 10:07am
Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

I would be reaching for the piper floats and squid jigs.

To be fair, I don't enjoy surfcasting that much, probably because I'm not very good at it Smile

Think I'll try and do some land-based ultralight soft baiting at some point. 


Posted By: Muppet
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 10:31am
Originally posted by MB MB wrote:

Originally posted by Muppet Muppet wrote:

I would be reaching for the piper floats and squid jigs.


To be fair, I don't enjoy surfcasting that much, probably because I'm not very good at it Smile

Think I'll try and do some land-based ultralight soft baiting at some point. 


If enough guys line up a beach a few will get a snapper or two for sure.

I just think the piper offer more sport. And squid.

Nights for snapper off the beach might be better.

The only catch in all this is obvious. If numbers go up or remain steady we stay in lockdown longer. And no doubt if the beaches start to fill up with fishos then fingers will be pointed.
The experts were surprised by yesterday’s numbers and quite a lot have not been linked.


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 10:49am
Originally posted by Fish 4T Fish 4T wrote:

You certainly made your voice heard and yet you don't like surfcasting,
admire your principal mate, did you get ban from facebook as well LOL

Haha! I just highlighted the difference between the government guidance and the legislation, plus all the race stuff was getting ugly. 


Posted By: Schampy
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 11:43am
Just  been down to my local beach for a look. Literally hundreds and hundreds  of people out, dog walkers, joggers, cyclists ,kids, old people ..... way more than a normal winter Sunday.
This is exactly how the last lockdown played out.....
People only gonna sit inside for so long.



Posted By: corosanta
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 12:01pm
Mangonui Wharf: Commercial people only, masks mandatory. No fishing off it allowed.

Why? Because it is a high risk area with trucks and other machinery, masks made mandatory by Moana and other fishing companies.

Enforced by police, wharf and fishing vessel staff and ourselves (Far North Holdings).

Problem solved.


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Posted By: Kandrew
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 12:01pm
This is on stuff,

https://fishandgame.org.nz/covid-19-information/" rel="nofollow - https://fishandgame.org.nz/covid-19-information/


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 5:26pm
We made the most of the new rules and weather today. Daddy day care is so much better when you can go fishing!




Posted By: MATTOO
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 6:13pm
Result.

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Posted By: Reel Deal
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 7:00pm
nice one MB. Hope filleted and cleaned before the thunder and lightning showed up. 

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The gods do not subtract from the allotted span of men's lives the hours spent on fishing - Assyrian Proverb


Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 7:36pm
the kid, providing dinner in these tough times~~well done.
nice hat too
Big smile


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 8:59pm
Originally posted by Reel Deal Reel Deal wrote:

nice one MB. Hope filleted and cleaned before the thunder and lightning showed up. 

Yep, did a runner when the wind picked up. Home by the time the rain came down Thumbs Up


Posted By: Catchelot
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 9:02pm
Well done MB, I hope he washed and prepped it for dinner.Clap

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"The sea, once it casts its spell, holds one in its net of wonder forever." - Jacques Cousteau


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 29 Aug 2021 at 10:13pm
Boy + sharp knife = bad times!

One day LOL


Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2021 at 8:12am
It was about that time, as boy scouts , we carried a sharp sheath knife.
Grew up with.
If you have a knife in your hand, u use it. not using put down... not a toy.
This ionstills respect for the blade.
and blade always faces away.
 Yep will cut ones self, and most properly more than once over a life time.
 Got to learn some time.
And a $10 glove from marine deals stops bad cuts, not because protects but because enables a good grip on the fish.
Bad cuts usually happen because the hand holding the fish or the fish slips, not the other way around.


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2021 at 8:35am
There will be a time steps, but not now. The boy can fall off a stationary chair! He's only 6 years old, but looks older.


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2021 at 8:44am
Originally posted by MB MB wrote:

There will be a time steps, but not now. The boy can fall off a stationary chair! He's only 6 years old, but looks older.
HaHa at 58 I can cut myself just getting it out of the  packaging,not once but twice.


Posted By: Steps
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2021 at 8:50am
He's only 6 years old, but looks older.

 6 in cubs, no sheath knife... yet  still time to learn whittling bit soft pine... learn the good practices early...And time to get the air rifle out as well?


Posted By: MB
Date Posted: 30 Aug 2021 at 8:57am
Originally posted by Steps Steps wrote:

He's only 6 years old, but looks older.

 6 in cubs, no sheath knife... yet  still time to learn whittling bit soft pine... learn the good practices early...And time to get the air rifle out as well?

Yeah, he's more in to hunting than fishing, so an air rifle is on the horizon. 


Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2023 at 5:56pm
Well folks not just customary fishing. Now the right to harvest native birds

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300780599/can-customary-harvesting-of-nzs-native-species-be-sustainable%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300780599/can-customary-harvesting-of-nzs-native-species-be-sustainable


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Posted By: Loose Guides
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2023 at 7:28pm
"Article Two of https://waitangitribunal.govt.nz/treaty-of-waitangi/" rel="nofollow - Te Tiriti o Waitangi guaranteed Māori authority over natural resources." - Well that is a load of utter crap.
There is only ONE Tiriti o Waitangi and it is written in the written Maori language as gifted to the various Maori peoples by the work of a number of missionary's mainly Reverend Henry Williams and his son Edward.
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/people/henry-williams
The actual truth about Tiriti o Waitangi : http://www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz/
All this Maori Supremacist movement and special rights crap came about because of the traitors David Lange, Geoff Palmer  Mattu Rata and a few others who deliberately used a non-document to obfuscate the real treaty for their communist disruption plans.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/" rel="nofollow - Stop Co-Governance in New Zealand - One Law For All will hopefully be starting a road show to put this matter to bed once and for all.
                                                      "He Iwi Tahi Tatou" - We are now one people     


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2023 at 7:41pm
I'm still not biting PCJ Big smile while I understand your sentiments, think of it this way:  if you were in a minor ethnic group and you discovered this country would you feel aggrieved? 

OK, yes that's a bite. 

If stuff like kereru start going the wrong way then protect them again - easy. I'd love to try one and I could have shot dozens and no one would be any the wiser, but I don't because that is the law in this country that I was born in and choose to stay in though I dislike some aspects of it. I have been to many countries, I don't have any desire to live anywhere else. No, you and I aren't responsible for the atrocities that the Europeans caused back in the 18th century and beyond. All races commit atrocities for all sorts of reasons.

Let's not get into a racist debate here.

We shouldn't be afraid to speak up though. Just my thoughts.


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Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 13 Jan 2023 at 8:02pm
Ok "Smudge" But its our good $$ and conservation(DOC) that has saved a lot of native species. Fair enough Maori may feel grieved as some rights have diminished but where does it end??

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/482171/can-customary-harvesting-of-nz-s-native-species-be-sustainable-archaeology-palaeo-ecology-provide-some-answers" rel="nofollow - https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/482171/can-customary-harvesting-of-nz-s-native-species-be-sustainable-archaeology-palaeo-ecology-provide-some-answers

But we now have a hui in Northland so Ngapuhi can disscuss how to gain control of land stolen/lost. As the treaty gave them the right to Co Govern but that right was never enforced,

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/481336/crown-overstepped-authority-to-govern-northern-maori-in-19th-century-waitangi-tribunal" rel="nofollow - https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/481336/crown-overstepped-authority-to-govern-northern-maori-in-19th-century-waitangi-tribunal

Sorry "smudge" but needs to brought out in the open as many many people are going to be affected by a minority group.Yes they should of had rights. But we are in the 21st century. Got a gripe on how the treaty was interpreted take it up with King Charles it wasnt this or previous Governments that signed the treaty.

Its not racist or maybe it is but majority of NZers feel the same way.


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Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2023 at 4:26pm
Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:

Well folks not just customary fishing. Now the right to harvest native birds

https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300780599/can-customary-harvesting-of-nzs-native-species-be-sustainable%20" rel="nofollow - https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300780599/can-customary-harvesting-of-nzs-native-species-be-sustainable

Will they be forced to use customary practice and materials/methods as well or will they be allowed to use European technology and ideas?


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Posted By: v8-coupe
Date Posted: 14 Jan 2023 at 4:34pm
Originally posted by Loose Guides Loose Guides wrote:

"Article Two of https://waitangitribunal.govt.nz/treaty-of-waitangi/" rel="nofollow - Te Tiriti o Waitangi guaranteed Māori authority over natural resources." - Well that is a load of utter crap.
There is only ONE Tiriti o Waitangi and it is written in the written Maori language as gifted to the various Maori peoples by the work of a number of missionary's mainly Reverend Henry Williams and his son Edward.
https://nzhistory.govt.nz/people/henry-williams
The actual truth about Tiriti o Waitangi : http://www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz/
All this Maori Supremacist movement and special rights crap came about because of the traitors David Lange, Geoff Palmer  Mattu Rata and a few others who deliberately used a non-document to obfuscate the real treaty for their communist disruption plans.

https://www.stopcogovernance.kiwi/" rel="nofollow - Stop Co-Governance in New Zealand - One Law For All will hopefully be starting a road show to put this matter to bed once and for all.
                                                      "He Iwi Tahi Tatou" - We are now one people     

You are correct. What our children and this generation is being told/taught bears no relation at all to the original document. Throw in the magical, unwritten invisible principles astonishingly discovered during a reinterpretation and rewriting of the document in the 70's and you end up with the lies and deciet you have now being presented as fact. Tell/promote a lie often and loud enough, and eventually people come to accept it as fact. A tactic used by many despots/regimes the world over and now used to good effect in NZ.


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Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 18 Mar 2024 at 5:23pm






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"Times up"


Posted By: smudge
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 2:21pm
Originally posted by Pcj Pcj wrote:






Great banter! Big smile


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Posted By: Alan L
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 4:33pm
I almost gave it a Like.
Alan
I decided to. Why not?


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Posted By: Pcj
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 5:21pm
Went to copy and paste it came out in a unreadable text.

Had read of Seafod NZ march issue.

Seems Shane Jones is against Reserves/Hpa allowing Maori with customary permit to take from closed areas.


So you may not hear me talking a great deal
about mataitai fisheries a nd customary fisheries.
I mean obviously as a Māori I know they’re really
important, but I ’m a wee bit different than some
of the other MPs  of Māori decent in this way…. If
science reveals to us that a resource is so stressed
that the public have to be excluded, then Fiona
it’s the whole public. I don’t like this idea that you
have these marine protected areas or you have
these reserves but you continue to provide access
for the local hapu. My hapu, most of whom live in
Auckland, they’re not going to enjoy that access
because they don’t have a marae or a settlement
near these areas. So,  if the science is so severe
that all  of us have to  stand together and enable the
resource to recover then that’s everyone.
Is there anything else you want to add?

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Posted By: Uncle
Date Posted: 19 Mar 2024 at 5:54pm
haha, nice one Alan L.
Anyway, to me, Shane Jones is on the money on this one.
Exactly....

Was wondering what was the hold-up Pcj, then got e-mail notification of the jumbled message you tried to post.
Glad you got it sorted 



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